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upier

Grotto Attendant

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Done.

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24 Apr 2009 at 08:22 - 921

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamWind

Now getting back to the point, you guys are using the argument that storage isn't part of the gameplay. Whos gameplay? Maybe not yours? Try taking away the storage from everybody and get back to me on how many people enjoy the gameplay. You guys are fooling yourselves if you don't think storage is a part of the gameplay.

And if you still don't believe that, then you have to convince me that storage is somehow part of the vanity category, which in the context of this thread is referring to how your characters look. Good luck convincing anybody storage fits into that.

Pure vanity.

immortius

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Black Cats

E/Mo

24 Apr 2009 at 08:31 - 922

Gameplay and vanity is a false dichotomy. Storage can be something else entirely.

king swift

Krytan Explorer

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Kamadan AD1

Zealots Of Shiverpeak [ZoS]

D/A

12 Oct 2009 at 22:11 - 923

They recently lowered the price....i still feel that it is too expensive.

Martin Firestorm

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Louisiana

E/Me

12 Oct 2009 at 22:34 - 924

Sweet necro.

I bought as many panes as I could as soon as I could--at full price. I have no regrets.

Hyperventilate

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

Somewhere in California

I Gots A Crayon [Blue]

Me/Mo

12 Oct 2009 at 22:49 - 925

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Firestorm

Sweet necro.

I bought as many panes as I could as soon as I could--at full price. I have no regrets.

Necromancy thread: Go!

I happened to be refreshing the website as soon as they announced the panes. I bought that them instant.

No regrets at all. Not even with the price reduction... no regrets. Tis nice.

Aussie Boy

Alcoholic

Join Date: Mar 2007

Australia

W/

13 Oct 2009 at 01:26 - 926

O.o oh well i still relevant today I guess
but I still ain't buying any with international exchange rates from AU to UK
I know they need money coming in and paying employees but hope they have
it later on at %50 off not %25 or some other deal like buy one get one free.

PS don't want to start panes v buying Accounts but it's cheaper for me to buy
Profs here for $9.95AU if i wanted storage.

Highlander Of Alba

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Real Rogue Clan

Rt/Mo

13 Oct 2009 at 01:35 - 927

Well i have some panes ..does not bother me in the slightest that i had to pay for them. Yes nobody forces you to buy...so its buyers choice

For a game that has no monthly fees and what I hve spent over 4 years I consider it minimal. Mabe new guys may feel like its expensive but I think
its an option Sure buy a slot and a have the best of both worlds.

So if you can manage to have your chest full with things you need
not hoarding then you have enough storage as it is

Aldo wants more

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2008

Glesga, UK

13 Oct 2009 at 07:19 - 928

If I knew that the money from buying storage tabs was being directly re invested into more content for GW1 then I may be tempted.

Overall, $10 is still too much for a storage tab when the same amount of money can buy a standalone campaign.

/undecided

QueenofDeath

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2009

13 Oct 2009 at 07:53 - 929

I can't see investing anymore into a game that will be dead space not too long in the distant future. Everyone who is anyone is going to GW2 and to put more money into this game "especially $40" for some silly storage containers is just being a fool. Ok so they are $7.50 now big deal still way too much. Buying another mule would get you more slots than the four extra slots combined would give you. If you're too lazy to log out and log in to get what you want then I guess you deserve to pay the extra waste of money. Having another account will also save you time and money vs this ripoff.

gone

Guest

Join Date: Jan 2007

14 Oct 2009 at 16:53 - 930

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aldo wants more

If I knew that the money from buying storage tabs was being directly re invested into more content for GW1 then I may be tempted.

Overall, $10 is still too much for a storage tab when the same amount of money can buy a standalone campaign.

/undecided

Amen Brah. and the way things are looking as of late, I'm not so sure I want to invest monies into GW2..at least not just yet.

EMBARGO ON!

Who.Run.Bartertown?

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

Me/

14 Oct 2009 at 17:11 - 931

Meh, I'm still "boycotting".

Really, I'd rather just buy another account (EDIT:actually, at the current price of my closest PC game store, I could buy 2 accounts for almost the same price of 1 storage pane :/) if I need more storage. It's really not that inconvenient to move stuff around and I always end up using those accounts for something.

Quaker

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Aug 2005

Canada

Brothers Disgruntled

14 Oct 2009 at 18:55 - 932

Quote:

Originally Posted by king swift

They are selling virtual space, so Ill pay with my virtual gold. If you would like to reimburse my gold for real money, then Ill be happy to pay with real money. Bottom line is Anet is selling AIR. Its free to breathe it, so whats the pricetag for?

This whole thread becomes a joke just by this statement alone. The whole f'n game is virtual space ffs!

I'm not even going to read any more of this, if this is indicative of the idiocy involved.

Chico

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

14 Oct 2009 at 20:41 - 933

The thing is not that they are selling virtual space, it is that they are selling it at a premium price while the cheaper mule account alternative has existed since the very start.

If the price was at least close to what we get from buying a mule account I'd buy it.
I think after all the OCD users got their panes sales stopped so now they're seeing how much more can they milk this cow by lowering the price incrementally. Of course, we already had mule accounts for storage and we got those cheaper than the stupid panes so I'm not surprised they are desperately trying to push more sales.
I'm pretty sure if they made them 1 or 2 bucks a pop they will earn much more than keeping them at this ridiculous price.

QueenofDeath

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2009

14 Oct 2009 at 20:54 - 934

I'd pay $10 for all 4 but that's it. Ain't worth more than that.

rohara

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Join Date: Nov 2006

Rt/

14 Oct 2009 at 22:01 - 935

i begrudgingly bought all 4 panes when they went on sale. i still think the price is ridiculous, but i don't think anet will make them any cheaper anytime soon. i don't have time to grind for large equip packs for 13 characters and i'm tired of swapping stuff around my mules. i bet they made the large equip packs so hard to get just to make people buy more storage. /tinfoilhat

Shadowspawn X

Jungle Guide

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14 Oct 2009 at 22:51 - 936

The reason the panes don't sell is that the need for storage is not there and has always been exaggerated since we went from 1 pane to 4 panes. Offering storage in a stagnant game after everyone has finished the available content is why sales are down not the price of the pane. If Anet released a new chapter the panes would sell like hotcakes at 15 bucks a whoop.

headlesshobbs

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

15 Oct 2009 at 01:08 - 937

$9.99 = pack mule (25 slots +equipment) and extra game.

nuff said.

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

15 Oct 2009 at 02:09 - 938

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

The reason the panes don't sell is that the need for storage is not there and has always been exaggerated since we went from 1 pane to 4 panes. Offering storage in a stagnant game after everyone has finished the available content is why sales are down not the price of the pane. If Anet released a new chapter the panes would sell like hotcakes at 15 bucks a whoop.

Disagree. The need for storage increases with time even with a stagnant game, as players get more and more various stuff when playing. Since in GW everything is equal, you don't get better armors or weapons, you keep getting more of the same instead of replacing worse with better. Also many players like to collect things and collections grow over time. And don't forget that Anet actually keeps adding _entirely new items_ to the game even when they don't release much new content.
And most imporant thing not to be forgotten - GW still doesn't have ANY automated trading system at all, so selling is a big pain and items for sale take hundreds of slots.

Still the panes are vastly overpriced, I didn't buy any despite I would make good use of all 4. That's a boycott.

I hope Anet didn't sell as much of those as they expected.
Because if it exceeded their expectations, they will only abuse the fact even more. They'll make even more even smaller addons for even more absurd prices and find ways to have them give advantages over players who don't buy them. Then there's GW2 coming, and it's business model and addon pricing is likely to be based upon the results of this grand test - a test of how much can they rip off the players.
Just imagine the hell of having to buy more and more $10 tiny storage panes in GW2 because the initial storage amount is only enough for a couple weeks of play. And it can get worse than that.
Boycott of a blatant rip is wise.

Shy Guy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2009

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15 Oct 2009 at 02:20 - 939

There really is nothing to boycott. Areanet offered extra storage, except it costs money. You dont have to buy it. They're not forcing you. Yes, I think $10 is way too much, but again, optional is the key word. So what are we boycotting again? Areanet will do nothing.

Kumu Honua

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2008

15 Oct 2009 at 02:46 - 940

Boycott? I don't think my not purchasing the upgrades is a boycott per se. It's just that I do not think the panes hold enough value to justify the price.

As someone else said recently in this necro thread, $10 for all 4? I'd pay that. If not, I can just pay the same price to get an additional character slot.

$10 - Additional character slot to play on, +100 plat available storage, +50 item slots in regular bags/pouch, +20 weapon/armor storage if I get a heavy pack, +1 weapon slot, +1 shield/focus slot, +5 armor slots for runes.

or...

$10 - +20 slots.

The math doesn't favor the storage panes at all.

DreamWind

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2006

E/Mo

15 Oct 2009 at 03:12 - 941

Quote:

Originally Posted by rohara

i begrudgingly bought all 4 panes when they went on sale. i still think the price is ridiculous, but i don't think anet will make them any cheaper anytime soon.

Thankfully for Anet, you are exactly the type of sucker they are looking for. I'm so glad the points I made in this thread a long time ago still hold up.

Riot Narita

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

15 Oct 2009 at 07:29 - 942

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kumu Honua

$10 - Additional character slot to play on, +100 plat available storage, +50 item slots in regular bags/pouch, +20 weapon/armor storage if I get a heavy pack, +1 weapon slot, +1 shield/focus slot, +5 armor slots for runes.

or...

$10 - +20 slots.

The math doesn't favor the storage panes at all.

EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT ALREADY

Why do people keep posting the same thing again and again, that everybody already knows. We all bought accounts or char slots for extra storage space years ago, before storage panes existed. We know what we get vs panes.

You don't buy panes for raw storage, you buy them if you think the price is worth it for convenient access to stuff you're already storing.

rohara

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

Rt/

15 Oct 2009 at 08:39 - 943

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamWind

Thankfully for Anet, you are exactly the type of sucker they are looking for. I'm so glad the points I made in this thread a long time ago still hold up.

sucker? i wouldn't say that. clearly anet wasn't satisfied with the sales figures for the storage panes, hence the sale. the boycott worked fairly well, imo - we did force the price down a bit. i think the folks who are buying these discounted panes are doing a good thing by showing anet that we're willing to pay for this stuff, but only if the price is more reasonable. i bet if they reduced the price to $5/pane or offer a package deal on all 4 panes the sales would skyrocket.

Kumu Honua

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2008

15 Oct 2009 at 09:21 - 944

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hissy

EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT ALREADY

Why do people keep posting the same thing again and again, that everybody already knows. We all bought accounts or char slots for extra storage space years ago, before storage panes existed. We know what we get vs panes.

Clearly just to piss you off. Look, I posted my reasons why I "boycotted" the storage panes. Which is the whole point of the poll. If you didn't like the premise of the post, then the solution is to press the little red X in your browser.

For the rest: Rehashed answers! Mmmm. Hash...

wilderness

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15 Oct 2009 at 09:27 - 945

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kumu Honua

Boycott? I don't think my not purchasing the upgrades is a boycott per se. It's just that I do not think the panes hold enough value to justify the price.

As someone else said recently in this necro thread, $10 for all 4? I'd pay that. If not, I can just pay the same price to get an additional character slot.

$10 - Additional character slot to play on, +100 plat available storage, +50 item slots in regular bags/pouch, +20 weapon/armor storage if I get a heavy pack, +1 weapon slot, +1 shield/focus slot, +5 armor slots for runes.

or...

$10 - +20 slots.

The math doesn't favor the storage panes at all.

Your mathematics don't include the convenience of not needing to switch between mules to access items. I much prefer having the stuff I need close to hand for when I need it so the panes make more sense than extra char slots.

Not saying they shouldn't be a little cheaper, though. $5 is more than reasonable, imo.

Riot Narita

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

15 Oct 2009 at 09:43 - 946

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kumu Honua

Look, I posted my reasons why I "boycotted" the storage panes.

Yes, you did. You don't think they're value for money. Cool.

But then you followed it with the usual maths, that compares raw storage per dollar from a char slot vs a pane. Pointless, because nobody buys panes just for for raw storage.

The only point about "value", is whether you think the convenience of panes is worth their price. What you get for buying an account or char slot instead... is not relevant, and I just wish people would stop banging on about it as if it was. And posting the maths :-P

Dzjudz

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

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15 Oct 2009 at 11:27 - 947

I bought them for convenience. I don't want to start up GWx2 every time I want to access a rune or a consumable or whatever...

Kumu Honua

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2008

15 Oct 2009 at 11:49 - 948

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hissy

What you get for buying an account or char slot instead... is not relevant, and I just wish people would stop banging on about it as if it was. And posting the maths :-P

Of course it's relevant. It's relevant because it applies to my situation, and since it's repeated by many others as you say (I really can't be arsed to read 58 pages to see it duplicated...) then it's apparent that it's relevant to many.

I answered the original post. I entered my opinion in the poll, and stated the reasons behind it in the thread. I really didn't care to have a discussion about my choices. They are what they are and nothing said here can change that.

The math is perfect for me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wilderness

Your mathematics don't include the convenience of not needing to switch between mules to access items. I much prefer having the stuff I need close to hand for when I need it so the panes make more sense than extra char slots.

That's because that convenience isn't a factor in my decision not to buy storage panes.

Riot Narita

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

15 Oct 2009 at 12:08 - 949

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kumu Honua

Of course it's relevant.

No.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kumu Honua

it's apparent that it's relevant to many.

No, it's apparent that many do not understand the point of storage panes, and continue with their apples-and-oranges comparisons of buying accounts or char slots instead.

Dzjudz

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz

15 Oct 2009 at 12:17 - 950

Guys you can stop arguing around in circles. It's very simple:

People who like convenience over storage space -> storage panes

People who like storage space over convenience -> new accounts

People who don't like spending money on either -> 4th year anniversary, that's it

All options are valid and a personal choice, no need to attack a person for choosing a different option than you.

/thread

Phineas

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

UK

15 Oct 2009 at 12:43 - 951

I would only deem the additional storage panes 'convenient' if, after buying all the available upgrades, I would have enough space in the chest to hold at least 1 of everything in the game. But there are far more things to collect than than there will be space to store them.

As things are, buying a pane can only make it more convenient, but still not the definition of convenient.

As soon as I must log another char the convenience goes out of the window.

I want convenience, but I don't need convenience. In terms of real 'need', zero panes should be enough.

JR

Re:tired

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/

15 Oct 2009 at 15:34 - 952

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

This thread is useless: there's already something called "the market" that'll send a message to Anet, if few people buy additional storage they'll know the pricing wasn't right. No need to petition.

This. ^

Welcome to capitalism my friends.

DreamWind

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2006

E/Mo

15 Oct 2009 at 19:24 - 953

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR

This. ^

Welcome to capitalism my friends.

That doesn't prevent me from calling it stupid, Anet ridiculous, and anybody who buys it an idiot though.

Introverted Dimensions

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

15 Oct 2009 at 20:39 - 954

"The 200,000 units of GW they still sell each quarter, which should actually cover such costs and dev work on GW2."

You say that as if you were one of the developers and honestly knew anything about how much it could cover. Don't be such a fool.

HOMIE_G64

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

Recruit Meh!

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16 Oct 2009 at 01:11 - 955

Quote:

"The 200,000 units of GW they still sell each quarter, which should actually cover such costs and dev work on GW2."

You say that as if you were one of the developers and honestly knew anything about how much it could cover. Don't be such a fool.

True. We don't know the exact amount of copies they sell (developers and publishers have been known to "fudge" the truth), we don't know how much it costs to make Guild Wars 2, and we don't know how much it costs to maintain Guild Wars right now. Also, ANet is not an indie company and does not need to fund their own projects. ANet receives funding from the publisher (NCSoft) but is probably required to meet a certain revenue. We have no clue whether or not $10 storage panes are legitimate pleas for financial support or just another way to get more money.

If I were to venture a guess however, I would guess in the negative. 200,000 copies of around $40 games has historically been a very small amount, and seeing how ANet is not offering a lot of items for microtransaction, I would say ANet is not making as much as it had been back in the best days of Guild Wars.

Juhanah

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

in my house

16 Oct 2009 at 02:32 - 956

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamWind

That doesn't prevent me from calling it stupid, Anet ridiculous, and anybody who buys it an idiot though.

The idiots aren't the one offering a service or the one paying for it. The idiots are the people who think they should get every extra luxury service for free.

Not like Arenanet owe you anything.

talisk3

Wilds Pathfinder

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R/

16 Oct 2009 at 02:46 - 957

They can't make it free now.
Else everyone who bought it would be RAMPAGEING

DreamWind

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2006

E/Mo

16 Oct 2009 at 02:59 - 958

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juhanah

The idiots aren't the one offering a service or the one paying for it. The idiots are the people who think they should get every extra luxury service for free.

Not like Arenanet owe you anything.

So let me get this straight...people who argue that they don't want in game things sold for real money are the idiots, yet people who complain about high prices and then support it anyways by buying it aren't? Sweet.

I don't agree with ANYTHING being sold in game for money. If they sold gold would that be considered "just a luxury they are selling" as well?

Juhanah

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

in my house

16 Oct 2009 at 04:01 - 959

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamWind

So let me get this straight...people who argue that they don't want in game things sold for real money are the idiots, yet people who complain about high prices and then support it anyways by buying it aren't? Sweet.

I don't agree with ANYTHING being sold in game for money. If they sold gold would that be considered "just a luxury they are selling" as well?

If they buy it and still complains then yes they have a problem. But they want it for free like if Anet owed it to them. Like when they wanted bonus mission pack for free and extra character slot for free.

If they sold gold in GW1 it would just be luxury because gold have no impact on game play. It only have an impact on people's ego. To buy cute weapons that can only be seen by a maximum of 32 people at a time. People who mostly don't even care and will probably not even notice anyway.

The only thing that have impact your success in Guildwars is between your 2 ears. Other than that it's just greed and luxury.

Extra storage is a luxury. It is available, but in no way required.
If it was required to play and win the game, then it would be a whole new story.

headlesshobbs

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

16 Oct 2009 at 09:19 - 960

If it were an unlockable feature to view all character's inventories at once from storage, I'd bet everyone who bought panes would be pissed, but because of the $9.99 deal that's still going around we'll never see it.

Seems everyone's claim for "convenience" happens to be the popular excuse for covering their little investment when all you need to do is learn how to manage your stuff more properly. Keep what you need in the trunk, let the mule's carry the extra.

Fool's and their money are so easily parted.