Boycott the Storage Update!
Crom The Pale
I believe he said "overhead" not transaction cost. That would include purchasing new servers for the storage. Keep in mind they wish to scale back the resorces needed to run GW to free up resorces for GW2.
Riot Narita
Buying Storage tabs > Buying char slots
Buying Storage tabs > Buying new accounts
Why? Because I've ALWAYS been able to buy chars or accounts. I've ALWAYS been able to have as much raw storage as I want. I already have two accounts and 2 extra char slots on my main account, and that's about as much storage as I need.
The problem is, the way I am forced to use all that storage... IT SUCKS. I hate having to change chars all the time, organizing my stuff, remembering where I put everything (or more likely, having to hunt through all my chars whenever I want something).
If I want to move stuff between two accounts I have to get a guild-mate to help, and possibly run the gauntlet of ANet thinking there's some Real Money Trading going on in the process. I don't have two gaming PC's, I don't have whatever it is that runs 2 copies of Guild Wars - and why should I need such things?
Extra storage tabs are the answer. They dramatically improve access to my stuff, and THAT's easily worth $10 a pop to me.
So enough with the "only an idiot would buy 20 slots of storage when you could have xxx slots for the same money". Because it's not about getting more storage. I don't need MORE storage for my items (if I did, I would have bought characters/accounts already).
No, what I need is BETTER ACCESS to the items I'm already storing. Storage tabs deliver, characters/accounts do not.
Buying Storage tabs > Buying new accounts
Why? Because I've ALWAYS been able to buy chars or accounts. I've ALWAYS been able to have as much raw storage as I want. I already have two accounts and 2 extra char slots on my main account, and that's about as much storage as I need.
The problem is, the way I am forced to use all that storage... IT SUCKS. I hate having to change chars all the time, organizing my stuff, remembering where I put everything (or more likely, having to hunt through all my chars whenever I want something).
If I want to move stuff between two accounts I have to get a guild-mate to help, and possibly run the gauntlet of ANet thinking there's some Real Money Trading going on in the process. I don't have two gaming PC's, I don't have whatever it is that runs 2 copies of Guild Wars - and why should I need such things?
Extra storage tabs are the answer. They dramatically improve access to my stuff, and THAT's easily worth $10 a pop to me.
So enough with the "only an idiot would buy 20 slots of storage when you could have xxx slots for the same money". Because it's not about getting more storage. I don't need MORE storage for my items (if I did, I would have bought characters/accounts already).
No, what I need is BETTER ACCESS to the items I'm already storing. Storage tabs deliver, characters/accounts do not.
Joseph Spiritmaster
This was prolly already stated, but here i go anyways
1) you dont HAVE to buy the storage.
2) 10$ is for server space, it doesnt grow on trees...
1) you dont HAVE to buy the storage.
2) 10$ is for server space, it doesnt grow on trees...
Bluefeather
It's 23 April here already (GMT +8), so few hours from now, storage tab will already be available for purchase.
I am willing to pay US$10 for each tab, but based on players' feedback, US$10 is overpriced. If i buy for US$10 as soon as it comes out, will I get a refund when anet decides to lower the price of the storage tab?
Or should i wait until they make a final statement that the price will be set at US$10.00 (or US$5.00)?
I am willing to pay US$10 for each tab, but based on players' feedback, US$10 is overpriced. If i buy for US$10 as soon as it comes out, will I get a refund when anet decides to lower the price of the storage tab?
Or should i wait until they make a final statement that the price will be set at US$10.00 (or US$5.00)?
MithranArkanere
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If you believe that the transaction processing cost is $5 or anywhere close to that you must be VERY naive and probably believe in a lot of bs you hear everyday on TV or read on the net. Shame... and your loss.
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CronkTheImpaler
I think i have a amicable solution.
Ive read every post in this thread more then once actually. i think the responsible thing to do is wait until A-net releases their P&L's. Then we can go through their numbers and see where we can correct them on their price points. I dont know what kind of revenue stream they have aside from chapter sales.
When we get their P&L number, we will see if were being gouged. If we are then maybe a customer grass roots effort will be in order.
I dont think anyone can blindly make accusations about A-nets P&L's without first seeing their fiscal sheets.
thats just my opinion.
Cronk
Ive read every post in this thread more then once actually. i think the responsible thing to do is wait until A-net releases their P&L's. Then we can go through their numbers and see where we can correct them on their price points. I dont know what kind of revenue stream they have aside from chapter sales.
When we get their P&L number, we will see if were being gouged. If we are then maybe a customer grass roots effort will be in order.
I dont think anyone can blindly make accusations about A-nets P&L's without first seeing their fiscal sheets.
thats just my opinion.
Cronk
pumpkin pie
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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
I believe he said "overhead" not transaction cost. That would include purchasing new servers for the storage. Keep in mind they wish to scale back the resorces needed to run GW to free up resorces for GW2.
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2) Anet has also in many occasions in the past stated that server/bandwidth aren't an issue, blah blah blah, look for Jeff Strain interviews if you want to know more, the point is, the game started with the need for very little server/bandwidth cost resulting in no subscription fees needed, so its doe not make sense they would add a new server/bandwidth.
3) They already scaled back the resources needed to run GW, there's only 2 live team member, remember? Unless in some odd cases, or in the effort to confuse us, someone wants to claim and wants to make a huge list of people working on updating the GW1.
Just does not make any sense.
PS: what is P&L Cronk?
byteme!
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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
PS: what is P&L Cronk?
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alluring athena
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Originally Posted by FengShuiDove
I'd sign for this. If the cost of a single transaction is $xx, so prices are marked above $xx for that very reason to $yy, then buying in bulk should be rewarded with a discount of $xx per additional element included in the transaction. In fact, that's something I see happening in the future, 1 tab always $10, but perhaps 2 tabs for $15 and 3 for $20 or... something along those lines.
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I would definitely buy all 4 at the same time if offered a volume discount
NCSoft are you listening?
kokuou
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Originally Posted by Bluefeather
I am willing to pay US$10 for each tab, but based on players' feedback, US$10 is overpriced. If i buy for US$10 as soon as it comes out, will I get a refund when anet decides to lower the price of the storage tab?
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I think it'll be the same answer to the question you asked as it is to these questions.
Tarkin
I like the game, i injoy hours of fun, i will support them...
Bluefeather
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Originally Posted by kokuou
If you buy a car, and a year down the road the price goes down, do you get a refund? If you buy a computer, and three months later the price goes down, do you get a refund?
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Have you ever heard of rebate?
Well, it's past April 23 already and still no news about the update.
Targren
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Have you ever heard of rebate?
Well, it's past April 23 already and still no news about the update. |
Imp is still $5, Char slots are still $10, GotY pack is still $10...
Hyprocyon
It is only 9:30'ish in the morning Anet time. They usually do updates in the afternoon *their* time. So while it may be getting near the 23rd in some regions it is still early on the 23rd where they are.
Carboplatin
looking at the results, it looks like the community is pretty evenly split. at least the guru community.
Bluefeather
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For that matter, have you ever heard of Anet reducing the price of account addons(not unlocks)?
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this one is different.
Rocky Raccoon
LOL, I just read what the first option really says.
"I am definitely not going buy this because they are charging us."
Although I understand the intent of the sentence, it doesn't make sense.
It should have read: "I am definitely not going to get this because they are charging us."
I guess the thread must be getting old, when I start to nitpick on wording.
I apologize, but it just struck me funny.
"I am definitely not going buy this because they are charging us."
Although I understand the intent of the sentence, it doesn't make sense.
It should have read: "I am definitely not going to get this because they are charging us."
I guess the thread must be getting old, when I start to nitpick on wording.
I apologize, but it just struck me funny.
Sjeng
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Originally Posted by Hissy
No, what I need is BETTER ACCESS to the items I'm already storing. Storage tabs deliver, characters/accounts do not.
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BenjZee
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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger
LOL, I just read what the first option really says.
"I am definitely not going buy this because they are charging us." Although I understand the intent of the sentence, it doesn't make sense. It should have read: "I am definitely not going to get this because they are charging us." I guess the thread must be getting old, when I start to nitpick on wording. I apologize, but it just struck me funny. |
now as we've ran out of things to talk about. Does this mean you will buy it if they DIDN'T charge us?
JASON626
The main reason i'n not going to buy them;
-Guild wars is coming to an end, needed it couple years ago.
-The release of nightfall added inscriptions, the release of eotn added consumables and books. Game updates added more books for factions, prophecies. Game updates added summoning stones of all sorts taking up slots per kind. Not to mention Hom mini pets, weapons need to be stored somewhere. This is short list.
now anet must have forseen this right. Maybe it was part of the plan since they are not making new campiagnes or expansions. Lets add bunch of ingame items and sell them storage instead to keep making money, they'll blindly love it. I just hope anets new motto doesn't start being buy the game play with no monthly fees but you can buy all kinds of upgrades from our online store.
well i'm done with this thread this how i fell about it we are free to our opinions.
i sure hope the promotional thing is buy any item from our online store during the month of May and recieve free storage tab and not buy one tab get one free that would be lame imo.
-Guild wars is coming to an end, needed it couple years ago.
-The release of nightfall added inscriptions, the release of eotn added consumables and books. Game updates added more books for factions, prophecies. Game updates added summoning stones of all sorts taking up slots per kind. Not to mention Hom mini pets, weapons need to be stored somewhere. This is short list.
now anet must have forseen this right. Maybe it was part of the plan since they are not making new campiagnes or expansions. Lets add bunch of ingame items and sell them storage instead to keep making money, they'll blindly love it. I just hope anets new motto doesn't start being buy the game play with no monthly fees but you can buy all kinds of upgrades from our online store.
well i'm done with this thread this how i fell about it we are free to our opinions.
i sure hope the promotional thing is buy any item from our online store during the month of May and recieve free storage tab and not buy one tab get one free that would be lame imo.
Shadowspawn X
Storage smorage. There is going to be plenty of free storage with the equipment bags. Those who want to pimp out their account will buy the panes. All of it is unnecessary and just a nice gesture to those who are still playing the game. If you truly don't have any room for the 4th year mini pets after getting the new equipment bags then go ahead and buy a pane.
blood4blood
Storage promises have been around for years, delivery has been scant and generally tied to buying stuff (extra tab when you add extra chapter/expansion, other than materials tab). Overall, I've been very disappointed on how Anet has chosen to handle this and a couple other critically bad game features (especially the lack of a trade system). Factoring that disappointment with what else I could get for my money (i.e. other accounts which means more storage, zkeys, minis, etc.), I just can't see buying any storage tabs. (I do understand the convenience argument, but it's not that big a deal for me because I run two accounts on two computers most of the time anyway, so trade between accounts is easy for me personally.)
Phineas
I've not done the working out myself, but maybe someone here knows how much space in storage can you take up with items that you cannot ever get again and that are completely necessary to hoard?
Can you exceed your Xunlai's 4 panes with such items?
Can you exceed your Xunlai's 4 panes with such items?
oracleofwoe
I've never understood why they didn't just allow us to put full bags into the storage, that way one storage slot=10 slots. why hasn't this ever been considered?
Targren
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I've never understood why they didn't just allow us to put full bags into the storage, that way one storage slot=10 slots. why hasn't this ever been considered?
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oracleofwoe
ah well, it was worth the punt anyway
MithranArkanere
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Originally Posted by oracleofwoe
I've never understood why they didn't just allow us to put full bags into the storage, that way one storage slot=10 slots. why hasn't this ever been considered?
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It doesn't work that way.
Data is not saved physically like bags inside bags.
It doesn't matter where you put an item, as long as it exists, it takes up server space.
When you out things in a bag, you are actually storing data in a list.
Each slot in that list will say 'this item is XXX type, has A,B,C,D,et properties and is in slot ###'.
When you get a belt or a bag, you are not gettting more slots, you are just unlocking already existing slots to use.
Player head, the first slot in the belt, the weapon of a hero you don't have unlocked... they all are existing slots waiting to be used.
You can't put bags inside bags or inside the storage, because there is not 'Storage slot1/bag slot 1' slots.
Ebony Shadowheart
/notsigned
Considering Anet must pay the employees to continue to update a game that they let us play for FREE, as well as maintain the servers that RUN said game, I have no issue with purchasing storage tabs if I wantthem. Just as I did not have any issues purchasing extra character slots when I wanted them.
Anet isn't trying to be greedy or screw their players. They are trying to offer us the things many have whined that they wanted, however they need to have some sort of revenue or else the game we enjoy will simply cease to be. The funding for GW2 will not be there and it will never be released. Businesses have bills to pay too.
Considering Anet must pay the employees to continue to update a game that they let us play for FREE, as well as maintain the servers that RUN said game, I have no issue with purchasing storage tabs if I wantthem. Just as I did not have any issues purchasing extra character slots when I wanted them.
Anet isn't trying to be greedy or screw their players. They are trying to offer us the things many have whined that they wanted, however they need to have some sort of revenue or else the game we enjoy will simply cease to be. The funding for GW2 will not be there and it will never be released. Businesses have bills to pay too.
Chico
Can't read it all (again)... If this is already posted I'm sorry. I just read Regina's response (addressed to Cloud?), it is really sad what she mentions. Basically I interpret it as: "Yeah lots and lots of people won't buy it, but a tiny portion will buy it regardless of price". That's how it sounds to me and what's sad is that they are looking at those that will buy it as the reason to charge money to get this enhancement to an already existing feature.
Do the math, the back then all new hat storage guy has saved me over 100 storage slots (yes, I was a hat wh*re)... In comparison $9.99 will give me room for 20 more things.... Silly much. I'm glad Gaile didn't come up with the plan to charge $9.99 for the festival hats storage guy.
Material storage is another fine example. We all needed space so they came up with the material storage. Even with its limitations (250 only, less than needed for some armours) it was a very nice _and free_ addition (or is it tied to having a factions account? can't remember) to the feature we call 'storage'. Now storage is being enhanced again but this time it comes with a price tag. The few people agreeing to pay this price are killing the posibility of getting this the same way we got all other updates (free, as promissed during launch) and are allowing Anet to brake their promisses.
Anyone buying storage panes should be aware that they are paying $9.99 for what's on the server probably less than 10 kilobytes (the most expensive bytes you've bought in your life!).
Even worse is that the server could actually have all the space for our tabs allocated regardless of having it enabled or not for an account. They are only seeing what people will buy and will not buy as an experiment.
That's all for now.
Do the math, the back then all new hat storage guy has saved me over 100 storage slots (yes, I was a hat wh*re)... In comparison $9.99 will give me room for 20 more things.... Silly much. I'm glad Gaile didn't come up with the plan to charge $9.99 for the festival hats storage guy.
Material storage is another fine example. We all needed space so they came up with the material storage. Even with its limitations (250 only, less than needed for some armours) it was a very nice _and free_ addition (or is it tied to having a factions account? can't remember) to the feature we call 'storage'. Now storage is being enhanced again but this time it comes with a price tag. The few people agreeing to pay this price are killing the posibility of getting this the same way we got all other updates (free, as promissed during launch) and are allowing Anet to brake their promisses.
Anyone buying storage panes should be aware that they are paying $9.99 for what's on the server probably less than 10 kilobytes (the most expensive bytes you've bought in your life!).
Even worse is that the server could actually have all the space for our tabs allocated regardless of having it enabled or not for an account. They are only seeing what people will buy and will not buy as an experiment.
That's all for now.
Pariah
/notsigned
Game companies are businesses. As a business, they cannot put their resources (both physical and not physical) out there without at the very least making what those resources cost them back. If they aren't compensated for the resources they use, they will go out of business. This is why no company just gives everything away.
Game companies are businesses. As a business, they cannot put their resources (both physical and not physical) out there without at the very least making what those resources cost them back. If they aren't compensated for the resources they use, they will go out of business. This is why no company just gives everything away.
Turalisj
/not signed
Seriously people, get a life. Believe it or not, there's more out there than just guild wars.
Seriously people, get a life. Believe it or not, there's more out there than just guild wars.
Rocky Raccoon
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/not signed
Seriously people, get a life. Believe it or not, there's more out there than just guild wars. |
Turalisj
*monotone voice*
Guild Wars is...
NO! must...control....mind.... Must go to happy place....
But seriously, this is like a spoiled child throwing a fit because his parents are not giving him the toy he wants.
Guild Wars is...
NO! must...control....mind.... Must go to happy place....
But seriously, this is like a spoiled child throwing a fit because his parents are not giving him the toy he wants.
Tender Wolf
I do see your point here. Honestly when the armor and weapon storage update happens I don't think I'll need the extra space but if I did I think $5 would be more reasonable. It costs $10 for a new character slot to play and do something with, but the same price for, as was already said, virtual space? I don't think so.
DreamWind
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Originally Posted by Ebony Shadowheart
Considering Anet must pay the employees to continue to update a game that they let us play for FREE, as well as maintain the servers that RUN said game
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Originally Posted by Ebony Shadowheart
They are trying to offer us the things many have whined that they wanted, however they need to have some sort of revenue or else the game we enjoy will simply cease to be.
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SerenitySilverstar
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Originally Posted by DreamWind
I hear this a lot and it is really stupid. Anet pays their employees based on unit sales. They DON'T let is play for free (that is a big misconception)...we paid to play the game under the marketing model they gave us. They were supposed to use that money to run the game. Anything else is extra money they want from the players.
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If you have a problem with how the world revolves around money, ergo gaming does, that is NOT Anet's fault. They're doing what any business does - making money to survive.
fog_of_redoubt
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Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar
Actually, that model is based on their old business idea - releasing an expansion once a year. They gave up on that model to focus on building a bigger and better game. In that time, the gaming/MMO industry changed, making them rethink their strategy slightly. They had to find a way to make money to get them through to GW2.
If you have a problem with how the world revolves around money, ergo gaming does, that is NOT Anet's fault. They're doing what any business does - making money to survive. |
So if it failed, then why would we fall for it again for GW2?
I won't, I want them to admit it failed. And then tell us GW2 is going to be pay2play. That way we are guarenteed better monthly content.
DreamWind
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Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar
Actually, that model is based on their old business idea - releasing an expansion once a year. They gave up on that model to focus on building a bigger and better game. In that time, the gaming/MMO industry changed, making them rethink their strategy slightly. They had to find a way to make money to get them through to GW2.
If you have a problem with how the world revolves around money, ergo gaming does, that is NOT Anet's fault. They're doing what any business does - making money to survive. |
Edit: And as the previous poster brilliantly stated, why should this stop in GW2? Same model my friend.
Alazardragoon
/signed I can afford it, and I won't buy it. I feel this game is going the way of Korean F2P Cash shop games you can get off any website for free in terms of payment model.
Longasc
You are right, Alazar.
I am afraid that GW2 is not going to stop the trend, but to embrace the item mall concept even more.
Oh well. We could as well play Free Realms, going for a similar free to play item mall concept. Or just forget about the MMO genre, I am rather unsatisfied with progress only being made in adding more options to make customers pay for optional things, with more and more things becoming optional. Sigh.
I am afraid that GW2 is not going to stop the trend, but to embrace the item mall concept even more.
Oh well. We could as well play Free Realms, going for a similar free to play item mall concept. Or just forget about the MMO genre, I am rather unsatisfied with progress only being made in adding more options to make customers pay for optional things, with more and more things becoming optional. Sigh.