Boycott the Storage Update!

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Fril Estelin
Fril Estelin
So Serious...
#421
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Originally Posted by NeHoMaR View Post
next step will be
Honestly, I don't get how you could think that Anet is going to move from "making pay for an additionnal extra storage" (in addition because we'll be getting some free, no enough details about the offer to know whether it's a little or a lot) to "making pay for game-affecting features". In the first one, you buy convenience, it doesn't affect gameplay, everyone can live without it (and has done so, I remember the farmers that'd show us here their 200+ stacks of items in preparation for events, all spread accross their chars). In the second one, the richer players (or those willing to sacrifice money for virtual benefits) will be advantaged, it's no longer about convenience.

As I said before, if Anet makes one tiny little step in the direct of selling game-affecting features, they'll loose me and (I believe) the vast majority of players. I also get the fact that people fear that things are changing very slowly, one tiny step at a time, but I disagree. With this decision (I mean, making us pay for additional extras, not the price tag of $10 which I think it's a tiny bit overpriced) Anet has in fact made sure one of the most requested feature is addressed, and we have yet to know the full offer (equipment pack and zaishen zoo seem free) without pushing their limits too far (i.e. not changing the game business model).

As said in the first page of this thread, the law of the market will speak. I also want to add that their decision may have been influenced by the shape of the current economic climate. May be they know little people will buy additional extra storage for $10 (while most will be happy to get some more room, we'll see on April 28th, or before) and they're just hoping that this small income will help them strenghthen their plan for GW1 and GW2. Or maybe the "one-time offer" will make these storage slots at $10 quite interesting, we'll see in less than 2 weeks...

(strange that Regina is not intervening here yet)
Lourens
Lourens
Forge Runner
#422
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Originally Posted by Targren View Post
$10 x 4 = $40 for 80 slots.
$.50 per slot


GW Factions Platinum= $20 for
+ 3 panes = 60 slots
+ 6 chars = 6*45 slots (ignoring upcoming update)
+ Another acct for Zkeys
= 60 + 270 = 330 slots = $.07 per slot

GW Factions = $10 for
+2 panes = 40 slots
+ 4 chars = 4 * 45 slots
+ Acct for Zkeys
= 40 + 180 = 220 slots = $.05 per slot

ANet Math Fail.

And those defending the $10 cost and abusing the word "micropayments", that word does not mean what you appear to think it means. It means payments too small to be affordably processed by credit card companies. It does not mean "the same price as a new frelling account."
you pay the extra 45 cents for luxury
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Targren
Desert Nomad
#423
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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin View Post
Honestly, I don't get how you could think that Anet is going to move from "making pay for an additionnal extra storage" to "making pay for game-affecting features".
They already have.

Fire Imp Summoning Stone says OHAI!

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Originally Posted by Lourens View Post
you pay the extra 45 cents for luxury
You're paying more than $.45 for it, since you can't just buy one slot.
At the bare minimum, considering one page, you're paying $9, or 900% of the actual value, for the sake of saving 20 seconds.
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king swift
Krytan Explorer
#424
Voters: 666. You have already voted on this poll

OMG 666!
Dark-NighT
Dark-NighT
Krytan Explorer
#425
Its optional, therefore a boycott is useless.

The only reason why i would buy a tab is because Anet does not offer Char slots on the ncsoft store, and since i have no possible way to access a credit card i am quite pleased they do offer this storage upgrade on the ncsoft store and not only in the ingame store.

The price, well it might be a bit to high compared to a char slots which offers more storage space, but for people in my situation it is atleast a better way to increase our storage, which makes it worth the price imo, at the very least its a better option then to chase down someone who might have a credit card, or look for debit cards online, which is phishy and i dont trust it, as long as my country doesnt endorse debit cards through my bank, i wont go near one.

You would have the right to start a boycott if this was forced on you, this is not the case, your thread is full of QQ and the opposite of that, and it serves no real purpose, i just express my opinion.
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king swift
Krytan Explorer
#426
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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin View Post

(strange that Regina is not intervening here yet)
what the heck is she gonna say. Nothing she says will bring this to an end completely. Some people are going to still be upset somewhere.

If it was free, every player would be happy, and this thread wouldn't exist.

Another point I would like to bring to your attention. If there is this much of a stink being made over this, there is obviously something wrong.
-Sonata-
-Sonata-
Lion's Arch Merchant
#427
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Originally Posted by Targren View Post
They already have.

Fire Imp Summoning Stone says OHAI!


I think what Fril, as well as many others are saying, is in relation to game altering items that provide clear advantage in regards to items as many F2P Cash Shop models work. The fire imp was hardly any advantage.


For instance; If Anet suddenly started to offer weapons and off-hands in the online store that were above max dmg and Low Requirement, and only available in the store (customized), that would greatly tip the scales especially in PvP aspects. It would boil down to who has the thicker wallet instead of any remote sense of skill and balance.

Or perhaps, just as an example again, offering Store-Only skills, or Armor for all classes that was above the "max" available in game.

This is where I would draw the line, as I'm sure others would.
Daesu
Daesu
Furnace Stoker
#428
Let's look at the facts:

1. People have been complaining about storage space for a long time.

2. Storage space is very cheap right now as a seperate account due to the lowering of price for older campaigns.

What does this mean with regards to the April Storage update? This means people can easily afford more storage on a seperate account but EXPECTED the storage update to come FREE or at least at a very cheap price.

I think there is no reason to be mad at ANet. We already know that NCSoft store is not necessarily the cheapest option to buy GW items.

Would it be better that ANet does not provide this extra storage update at all? Even at a price? If you dont like it, then dont buy it from them. Just go buy your new account. ANet is entitled to charge any amount, and leave it to the free market to decide if they would get what they want or not.

I think this thread resulted from jealousy and envy. If that fool is willing to pay $40 for that much more storage then I must have it for FREE mentality.
Miss Puddles
Miss Puddles
Jungle Guide
#429
I still don't get why people are complaining over something they don't have to do.
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Targren
Desert Nomad
#430
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Originally Posted by Daesu View Post
ANet is entitled to charge any amount, and leave it to the free market to decide if they would get what they want or not.
And as Anet's customers, we're entitled to tell them we think they're out of their damn minds!
Fril Estelin
Fril Estelin
So Serious...
#431
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Originally Posted by Targren View Post
They already have.

Fire Imp Summoning Stone says OHAI!
It was a bonus, you wouldn't buy the new GW boxes just for getting it, would you? (I got him but barely used him!)

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Originally Posted by king swift View Post
what the heck is she gonna say. Nothing she says will bring this to an end completely. Some people are going to still be upset somewhere.
She may have information about the pricing from their marketing department, or more details about the exact offer. She may even reassure everyone about the GW business model.

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If it was free, every player would be happy, and this thread wouldn't exist.
And maybe making everyone happy this way about the April update would lead longer down the road about Anet having to fire staff, reduce their ambitions, delay GW2, etc. This thread is the typical "I want more because I was promised it's free and now you're mentioning the bad word buy so please explain!"

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Another point I would like to bring to your attention. If there is this much of a stink being made over this, there is obviously something wrong.
Non-sense. It seems like an artificial way to make your thread worth something, which it isn't. Since the very beginning, it was clear that a petition on something you'd buy was inappropriate. As I said earlier, petitioning on the storage tabs being $5 made sense, not this.
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Ctb
Desert Nomad
#432
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If there is this much of a stink being made over this, there is obviously something wrong.
Except that very few people are having a fit over it. Most of the people, if you'll read the thread, who are opposed to it aren't opposed on principle, we just don't think it's worth what they're asking, so we're just saying "no, thank you". We're not freaking out over it like a tiny minority in this thread seem to be.

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And as Anet's customers, we're entitled to tell them we think they're out of their damn minds!
Which is fine, but everyone here - on the internet in general - always goes about the process in the dumbest, most obnoxious way possible.
Rocky Raccoon
Rocky Raccoon
Desert Nomad
#433
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Originally Posted by Ctb View Post
Except that very few people are having a fit over it. Most of the people, if you'll read the thread, who are opposed to it aren't opposed on principle, we just don't think it's worth what they're asking, so we're just saying "no, thank you". We're not freaking out over it like a tiny minority in this thread seem to be.


Which is fine, but everyone here - on the internet in general - always goes about the process in the dumbest, most obnoxious way possible.
You speak the truth.
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JASON626
Krytan Explorer
#434
Anet says we've got a big update in April related to HoM and storage. So everyone thinks finally. They should have said our online store will offer storage upgrades at a price to be determined. Then i would have been like f that i'm not buying it but since we all thought it was free we were looking foward to it. While they are at it sell title packages too.. If anet goes with these small trends here and there to make extra money. This game will not be about skill over time, grind. It'll be who spends more money to get ahead with advantages.
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Targren
Desert Nomad
#435
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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin View Post
It was a bonus, you wouldn't buy the new GW boxes just for getting it, would you?\
It was a bonus you only got for certain recently available purchases, or buying from the OLS. If you don't (as I don't), they actually have the hutzpah to try and sell it for $5 in the store.

It's game altering. You pay for it.

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Originally Posted by CTB
Which is fine, but everyone here - on the internet in general - always goes about the process in the dumbest, most obnoxious way possible.
Indeed. Sturgeon's law applies to the population at large, too.
Rocky Raccoon
Rocky Raccoon
Desert Nomad
#436
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Originally Posted by JASON626 View Post
Anet says we've got a big update in April related to HoM and storage. So everyone things finally. They should have said our online store will offer storage upgrades at a price to be determined. Then i would have been like f that i'm not buying it but since we all thought it was free we were looking foward to it. While they are at it sell title packages too..
You are picking out one part of the update to rant about. Have you even read what it all entails?
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JASON626
Krytan Explorer
#437
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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger View Post
You are picking out one part of the update to rant about. Have you even read what it all entails?
yes............................................... ....


Have u read what the thread was started for?



http://www.guildwars.com/community/e...thanniversary/
Daesu
Daesu
Furnace Stoker
#438
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Originally Posted by Targren View Post
And as Anet's customers, we're entitled to tell them we think they're out of their damn minds!
As an ANet's customer, you dont have to buy EVERY single option in their store, you know.

Maybe there will be some ANet customer who have lots of money, dont really care, and prefer to pay for that bit of convenience? What's it to you?

If you dont like the price, you dont have to buy it. The extra storage is not like an unfair upgrade that totally unbalance the game. If anything, the cheap extra account unbalances the game more than the storage upgrade, due to the zkeys.
snaek
snaek
Forge Runner
#439
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Originally Posted by fril estelin
She may have information about the pricing from their marketing department, or more details about the exact offer. She may even reassure everyone about the GW business model.
perhaps her absence is a good sign. that anet is reconsidering their price decisions, and therefore she has nothing to say as of yet because they have not decided whether or not to keep the current price. at least that is what i'd like to think.

anyways, no one has discussed the poll results thus far.
only 33% in support...does this mean anything?
Fril Estelin
Fril Estelin
So Serious...
#440
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Originally Posted by Targren View Post
It was a bonus you only got for certain recently available purchases, or buying from the OLS. If you don't (as I don't), they actually have the hutzpah to try and sell it for $5 in the store.
Not "recently". I got it from buying EotN from online store (which also gave me the BMP) a long while before they offered the fire imp. They don't sell "it", they sell the game in a new package where you get "it".

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It's game altering. You pay for it.
I get the feeling you're trying to win the argument just for the sake of feeling good. So I'll let you win: yes it's game altering. Happy now?

So why would everyone worried that the current offer is showing that Anet is changing the GW business model? if the fire imp was this first alteration to the GW business model, then the additional extra storage product is not a continuation of this move.

I personally find the various "bits" of logic (or attempt to follow some kind of logic) developed to analyse this offer or predict what's going to happen next not very "logical" or even relevant. We don't even have the full details of the offer. Nevertheless, over the course of the last 4 years, I'll admit that Anet has changed quite a lot its game, but I don't believe they've altered significantly their business model (surprisingly, given the economic crysis and NCsoft problems, although NCsoft had to fire people).

[quotesnaek;4582344]perhaps her absence is a good sign. that anet is reconsidering their price decisions, and therefore she has nothing to say as of yet because they have not decided whether or not to keep the current price. at least that is what i'd like to think.[/QUOTE]

That's true. But I seriously doubt they'll do a U-turn (may be a L-turn by lowering the offer to $5, but it may not be financially good for them, given the various charges they may have via online store or the particular arrangments so that it can be bought from everywhere in the world) because of a non-sensical thrrad on Guru. They didn't do it for the BMP.

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anyways, no one has discussed the poll results thus far.
only 33% in support...does this mean anything?
No it doesn't. Online polls can easily be manipulated AND Guru represents a tiny fraction of the community, with many retired players still coming here.