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Pew Pew Peace

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2009

Slovenia

Top Ten Material [Lie]

E/

13 May 2009 at 08:07 - 1

Hey,

My account was terminnated for offering (Illegal) Fame Farming Service.Like XXXX joined my team and after run he paid me with ingame gold/ectos/zkeys.

This is potential warning to people offering this kind of ingame service.

Quote:

Originally Posted by XXXX

Customer (XXXXXXXXXX) 04/24/2009 12:01 PM
Hello,

Today during a gvg my account was permanently banned, I got kicked out of the gvg and when i tried to reconnect, i was banned. I can only guess why this happened. Perhaps becouse moments before we went in the gvg I borrewed a Voltiac Spear from a guildy? I would love to get some answers as to why I am banned.

Please send me the reason why I have been banned.

regards,
XXXX
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Response (GM Leonie) 04/24/2009 03:20 PM
Hello Gregor,

Thank you very much for contacting the Guild Wars Customer Support Team.

After investigating the reported issue, we can confirm that your account has rightfully been suspended from our service as a result of a violation of our rules that you agreed to when you first launched Guild Wars. Specifically, your account was suspended for:

- Offering illegal fame-farming service

The details of this incident are on record and we can confirm that we will not remove the suspension from your account.

For your reference, the detailed rules and regulations can be found on our official website: http://www.guildwars.com/support/legal/

Thank you for your patience and cooperation in this matter.

Regards,

GM Leonie
Guild Wars Customer Support
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Customer (XXXXXXXXXXX) 04/24/2009 03:34 PM
Dear GM,

After your previous responce, I have carefully read the code of conduct again, and I think a serious error has been made.

The bannable offence that came the closest to what you described was, and I quote:

" Selling services of any kind—including such things as "runs" through portions of the game—for real-world currency."

I did not do this, you see, I "Sold" 10 fame, for ingame money, which is not real-world currency.
You can compare this with people running you through missions.

If selling fame for ingame money is a bannable offence can you please qoute the part of the code of conduct which sais so.

I hope you will read this in time, and that you give me an answer, becouse I really want to play this months mAT.

Kind Regards,
XXXXXXXXXXXXX

EDIT:There is no warning on guru about this.

cataphract

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ashford Abbey

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Mo/Me

13 May 2009 at 08:15 - 2

It's about time they started banning for this.

Elephantaliste

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2008

adblockplus.or

13 May 2009 at 09:02 - 3

(a) NC Interactive reserves the right to suspend or terminate this Agreement (including your Software license and your Account) immediately and without notice if you breach this Agreement or [...] chat or any player activity whatsoever which is, in our sole discretion, inappropriate and/or in violation of the spirit of the Game(s) as described in the Rules of Conduct.

IN EULA :
"You may not post or link to any sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, or racially or ethnically offensive imagery or content."
Uncovered head or uncovered woman face is clearly an offense and bannable.

"You may not violate any local, state, national, or international laws or regulations." Lol ?

"While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people's game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching."
well, if you go afk in HA for an emergency you will be considered as leeching and get banned. all FA and JQ leechers are getting bannable...

This might be look good. But the way they are applying bans is distasteful and just giving worse and worse reputation.

Pew Pew Peace

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2009

Slovenia

Top Ten Material [Lie]

E/

13 May 2009 at 09:11 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elephantaliste

"While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people's game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching."

There is no leeching in fame farming service.He play,he get fames and pay.
I hope they fix this in EULA.
Like,all ingame services(Fame Farming,Zkeys services,Running missions,dungeons...,Cpoints Farming is illegal.)

Zaw

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2009

N/

13 May 2009 at 14:03 - 5

I am sorry you got banned, but thankful that they are starting to ban for this.

Floski

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Rank Three Plus Pug [deer]

W/

13 May 2009 at 14:05 - 6

How is paying to, basically join a higher ranked team, a bannable offense. That is beyond ridiculous but par for the course from Anet imo.

Elephantaliste

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2008

adblockplus.or

13 May 2009 at 14:40 - 7

I see the offense as hurting credibility of ranks.

Too bad, you was the first one they decided to ban WITHOUT warning, since it had been TOLARATED for a long time thus commonly accepted as NOT bannable.

dekusvamp

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2008

The Dragon Guild From Hell [lion]

E/Me

13 May 2009 at 14:53 - 8

Will people who GETS fame also be banned for this?
Also, could someone from ANET staff confirm that this is bannable?

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

13 May 2009 at 15:33 - 9

Anet has gone beyond retarded, targeting this rather than sync champ farming.

axe

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Pwn Appetit [NJoy]

W/

13 May 2009 at 16:56 - 10

I thought the guy who posted that was already unbanned?

JASON626

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/

13 May 2009 at 17:21 - 11

I really don't see how its bannable honestly. Its HA there is no ladder only fame and chest to be gained. Even though buying titles has been on the rise and kinda annoying.
Champ points may be more legitimately banned since it has a ladder.

Like op said its like buying runs through the game, thats more afkness than fame farming.

Floski

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Rank Three Plus Pug [deer]

W/

13 May 2009 at 19:07 - 12

Champpoints are not any more legitimate for bans.

""While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people's game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.""

People paying for champ points, unless they are leeching, are doing NONE of these things. No one is manipulating the ladder, indeed the whole point of champ point farming is to win... which is always everyone's objective. I'm not sure how it's disruptive to anyone else's gameplay in the match. Do you really care if that guy bloodspiking during double champ weekend is paying for his champ points? Is it DISRUPTING YOU?

OH GOD. I CAN BARELY PLAY THE GAME ANYMORE BECAUSE THAT GUY IS PAYING 50K PER CHAMPPOINT. MY GAME JUST KEEPS SHUTTING OFF RANDOMLY BECAUSE OF HIM.

Basically, Anet wants to shoehorn this piece in, but instead of making a new EULA with you know, actual provisions that say "PLAYERS CANNOT BUY FAME OR CHAMP POINTS" they'd rather just ban people without warning. COOOOOL.

batno_mercy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

Myth

E/

13 May 2009 at 19:27 - 13

Double post FTW!!

On-topic: if you can argument your way by means of the EULA, you will certainly be able to get yourself unbanned (the mod should already be blushing for doing something not on the EULA). And if they banned you for something not on the EULA, good lawyers don't cost that much and you can sue their ass off. No joking about that.

Pew Pew Peace

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2009

Slovenia

Top Ten Material [Lie]

E/

13 May 2009 at 22:09 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by batno_mercy

Double post FTW!!

On-topic: if you can argument your way by means of the EULA, you will certainly be able to get yourself unbanned (the mod should already be blushing for doing something not on the EULA). And if they banned you for something not on the EULA, good lawyers don't cost that much and you can sue their ass off. No joking about that.

I posted reply from support,they wont unbann me because anet never makes mistakes.Pmed regina,she cant do nothing about.They didnt even explain me why i was banned for selling fame for ingame gold.
Anyway i dont care if they unbann me or not this post is just potential warning to all guys offering this service,to prevent massive ban for no reasons.

Vires Invictae

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2008

USA, West coast

Me/

13 May 2009 at 22:51 - 15

It would be nice to see a specific rule for services, instead of leaving it to Support GM #34516's interpretation of a rule that deals with real life money. That way they might, you know, get the right people reported to them? At the very least, flag permaban actions to a senior GM for review.

Good thing they don't care about syncers in RA/TA, commander point farmers in HB, champ syncers in GvG, or widespread bots in JQ/FA/AB/PvE. Some of those are clearly against more than one rule in the EULA, while this violates just one based only on a loose interpretation that could be applied to the majority of players in this game.

I guess you got banned because to0mz really is serious business.

Edit: Keep replying to the ticket demanding the issue be elevated to a senior GM.

belladonna shylock

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Me/

14 May 2009 at 00:04 - 16

Your thread doesn't offer a service. This really isn't a service..thus the thread should be closed. I'm sure the mod will get to it soon enough. It should really be in riverside or somewhere.

But.... it's sorta crappy to have someone pay to be on your team. Could you imagine what RA/TA would be like if R8+ glads started syncing RA or doing TA and having 4th person pay for each glad point? It's the same thing.

Therefore I agree with Cataphract

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

14 May 2009 at 00:08 - 17

It should be in Riverside, but...

Anyway, if the players are still playing, there's nothing wrong with it.

Jenn

Resigned.

Join Date: Sep 2006

14 May 2009 at 04:49 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

It should be in Riverside, but...

Correct - I am moving this thread from Ventari's into Riverside.

Please keep the thread clean & relevant.

Personally, I'd like to see more confirmation and verification of this. This is the first I've heard of it.

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

14 May 2009 at 05:05 - 19

hahahahahahahahahahaha, sorry, but I am very happy to see guild wars finally do what is correct "imho" Thank You.

if I may add. buying and selling gold trim cape .... should be next.
if i may add. all players getting PvP ranks from Runs should have their account suspended as well, and ranks reset to zero.

Wish Swiftdeath

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

Mo/W

14 May 2009 at 05:19 - 20

You should be sorry taking pleasure out of other people's misery just because they have more than you do/will have.

To the OP, I really feel for ya, I've never bought fame or champ points but in no way should it be a bannable offence. Anet totally screwed this up

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

14 May 2009 at 05:27 - 21

Other people's misery? Wish Swiftdeath, I've been asking for sync to be corrected, forever, what about my misery? I can't even play RA anymore (not that I play at all anymore), I am hoping RA sync is the next step for ArenaNet in cleaning up the "mess" that we find in the game.

@OP, there was a warning, you probably didn't see it, the thread was close, if i am not mistaken it was around last week.

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

W/

14 May 2009 at 05:29 - 22

Don't really see how this is bannable. Some people don't want to bother playing the game the way it's supposed to be played, so they look for fame sellers so they can pay for their r3.

If anything the people buying should be banned.

Sync in RA is hardly a problem. You face more random teams in 1 hour then you will face sync teams in 1 week. Sync in the festival games, that's another story. But it doesn't bother me because I like a challenge in dragon arena.

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

14 May 2009 at 05:32 - 23

Right, some people don't want to bother playing the game the way it's supposed to be played, hence they use bot.

Don't tell me Sync RA is or isn't a problem, your thoughts on that matter doesn't count because Ms Murdock says it is a problem and they are looking into it.

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

14 May 2009 at 05:47 - 24

Syncing in RA isnt a problem because it hardly ever works.

A low ranked player wishing to pay higher ranked players to join them isnt a problem either - they are still playing the way the game was meant to be played and participating right?

There is nothing wrong with trading in game gold for running services, or go and ban every player that gets a droks run if there is.

Ariena Najea

Silence and Motion

Join Date: Jul 2006

Buffalo NY

New Horizon [NH]

14 May 2009 at 06:07 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavv

Syncing in RA isnt a problem because it hardly ever works.

If you sync properly, you go to an empty district (try Europe - Russian) and try there. You'll often find you can get 3-4 people, as opposed to being lucky to get 2 in the American districts. It is a major problem, since a good TA setup will rip most RA teams apart.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavv

There is nothing wrong with trading in game gold for running services, or go and ban every player that gets a droks run if there is.

I agree to a certain extent. Services such as Champion Point Farming should be banned, since they influence the ladder. Fame Farming does not have this type of effect and should not be allowed.

Alleji

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

14 May 2009 at 06:12 - 26

Never sold or bought fame, and not planning to... but this is fking retarded.

esthetic

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2008

Fantasy Island

[Qtie]

R/Mo

14 May 2009 at 06:13 - 27

Its a slippery slope.. If you cant buy a "run" for fame, why can you buy runs to locations and through missions and dungeons? and to take it farther rare items?

It really does not make sense that ANET will ban someone for providing fame for in game gold. If they do they need to make a meaningful distinction between this and buying a Crystalline Sword from someone and offering fame farming. The only argument I can see is that they will ban some activity that diminishes the game experience for someone. I do not know or see how fame farming diminishes the game play for someone not directly involved. And having some one "buy" their emote is the same as someone buying a Crystalline Sword or some other status symbol item.

therangereminem

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

R/Mo

14 May 2009 at 06:13 - 28

so anet should start banning runner of mission senc e you r leeching and its the same ideal right

cataphract

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ashford Abbey

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Mo/Me

14 May 2009 at 06:18 - 29

Yeah, too bad you can't buy your SAT scores IRL.

II Lucky Charm II

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

Seoul, Korea

Mo/Me

14 May 2009 at 06:27 - 30

These quotes may be of interest to you:

Rules of Conduct

Quote:

12. You may not offer in-game services for real-world cash.

Quote:

24. While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people's game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.

source: http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...sofconduct.php

In your situation, I believe Anet ban you because of rule #24 of the rules of conduct. However, this should not be resulted in a permanent ban since you are not violating anything to an extreme extent. People working at Anet are only human, they forget things now and then, but I'm sure you can get this ban lifted because you are not violating anything major according to these rules. One more thing, I believe GM Leonie is new to the support staff so she might not have that much knowledge about the Rules of Conduct as the old members do. You should request another GM to help you with this issue.

It seems like the players have to abide to the rules before they play, but it seems to me like ANET is not abiding to any rules. Let me give you an example of the rule they break. Let's say you report a player in a district, 3 days later you get an email saying that the player you reported is banned. Well, according to the Disciplinary Process, to which ALL ANET STAFFS MUST follow.

Disciplinary Process

Quote:

Those who report a possible rules infraction by another player will not be informed of the outcome of our investigation; for privacy reasons, disciplinary actions will be a confidential matter between our staff and the affected player.

Source: http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...d_outcomes.php

Staff of the support team MUST respect individuals' privacy no matter what happens. you can bring this to court, thought not recommended. You are being punished for not violating any of the rules mentioned in the Rules of Conduct.

Quote:

Specifically, your account was suspended for:

- Offering illegal fame-farming service

The details of this incident are on record and we can confirm that we will not remove the suspension from your account.

Okay, by saying that, you know immediately that GM Leonie does not know or have not read the Rules of Conduct carefully. My goodness, why would you say "specifically" when you can't even quote the document? Seriously...

esthetic

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2008

Fantasy Island

[Qtie]

R/Mo

14 May 2009 at 06:28 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by cataphract

Yeah, too bad you can't buy your SAT scores IRL.

Hmmm, well i think you can in a way ...Exam prep courses, expensive private high schools they all will lead to better SAT scores ><

You can even buy admission to an ivy league school if your rich enough...

II Lucky Charm II

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

Seoul, Korea

Mo/Me

14 May 2009 at 06:30 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by esthetic

You can even buy admission to an ivy league school if your rich enough...

Name one person in history that got admitted to an ivy league school because they had the money and not intelligence.

esthetic

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2008

Fantasy Island

[Qtie]

R/Mo

14 May 2009 at 06:35 - 33

Banning Fame Farming for Rule 24? I dont think so. This rule is for rigging a fight so one side wins. So it applies when one team or team member does not actually try their best to win. When someone tries to play but just fail, to avoid DP you can try to avoid combat and hide in order to WIN! I do not think this inactivity can be considered a violation of this rule.

esthetic

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2008

Fantasy Island

[Qtie]

R/Mo

14 May 2009 at 06:35 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by II Lucky Charm II

Name one person in history that got admitted to an ivy league school because they had the money and not intelligence.

erm.. GEORGE BUSH Jr.

Jenn

Resigned.

Join Date: Sep 2006

14 May 2009 at 06:36 - 35

I think we should wait and see if we can get more information. As of now, it appears to be an isolated incident, and there may or may not be information we have.

And - not to call the OP a liar - this is only one incident, and people have been to known to do anything from exaggerate or even fabricate because of some childish or ignorant perspective (i.e. all these "I got hacked" threads with people who refuse to acknowledge they gave their account info to someone). I'm just suggesting we wait and see if there are other similar cases before we all lay down the hammer of hate on aNet.

I agree that the circumstances seem unfair, but there could be extenuating circumstances. No point in getting our panties in knots until we know for sure if this is an application of the EULA.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arduinnia

I remember a thread about this very issue 1-2 months ago. Guess you missed that one.

:O Weird. But nope - didn't see it. Thanks for letting me know. When my laziness wears off, I'll look for it.

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

R/

14 May 2009 at 06:48 - 36

I remember a thread about this very issue 1-2 months ago. Guess you missed that one.

Chocobo1

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

New Zealand

CoA

N/

14 May 2009 at 06:53 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arduinna

I remember a thread about this very issue 1-2 months ago. Guess you missed that one.

Yeah wow, I was thinking that.

To OP, PLEASE READ THIS!
There was a thread like this exactly the same a few months ago, and the OP got banned for the same thing. Regina contacted him and sorted it out with him as she believed there was an error as well. So please try contact Anet again!

Green Chiken

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2009

From California to Arizona

14 May 2009 at 07:11 - 38

I agree with this and disagree.

Disagree: Well i didnt see it hurting anyone, its a way for "HA Noobs" to get into groups and get fame. Its obvious that you need a good rank to get into a "good game" with good players, thus making it possible for people to play HA without having to get into "HA Noob" groups and not having a great chance of getting fame or winning. Taking this away means that people wont be able to enjoy HA PVP because they wont have high enough of a rank to get into a game with people that know what they are doing.

Agree: Since its a game with no monthly costs, they can obviously do whatever they want. But...not much to agree with banning because people need r3+ to get into somewhat good games.

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

14 May 2009 at 07:18 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Floski

Champpoints are not any more legitimate for bans.

I said sync champpoint farming. One thing to set up a bunch of guys to bspike the ladder, another when you have two champrange guilds sync join and then one team /resigns or fails to load to the other. It's especially appaling how it's recorded on Obs for all to see during the double weekends..

cataphract

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ashford Abbey

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Mo/Me

14 May 2009 at 07:19 - 40

Regarding rule #24, I submit that:

A) Champion and Fame farming disrupt other player's gaming expirience via false advertising of buyers skill.
B) Both the providers and users of these services are not actively participating in matches in good faith for they are aware they wouldn't be able to neither amass an in-game fortune (providers), nor get any ranks in the title they are buying (users).

Guild Wars was advertised as a game where skill is more important than time spent. PvP titles were introduced in good faith in order to show player's skill more clearly.

Can I sue ArenaNet for failing to keep their promises and allowing such unsportsman-like conduct to exist and thrive?