Warning To All Farming Fame Services
AtomicMew
Another fricking ridiculous ban. GJ A.net on continuing to lose respect from your player base. I wonder if this is a move in policy or just a particular GM being retarded. If the latter, that GM needs to be fired/un-GM'ed/killed or whatever ASAP.
chiuna
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Originally Posted by Arduinna
I remember a thread about this very issue 1-2 months ago. Guess you missed that one.
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Pew Pew Peace
Hey,
yep this is same topic,but they closed it,couse some ppl spamed in.
after 2 weeks trying to get my account back i was wondering to post this warning to prevent banning ppl for this service.(There is no warnings about this bannable service on guru)
(Firts topic was created by my guild leader,becaouse i was busy atm)
yep this is same topic,but they closed it,couse some ppl spamed in.
after 2 weeks trying to get my account back i was wondering to post this warning to prevent banning ppl for this service.(There is no warnings about this bannable service on guru)
(Firts topic was created by my guild leader,becaouse i was busy atm)
Wish Swiftdeath
George Bush Jr. went to yale and he's a moron
Fame farming means that they are still participating, it's not throwing a game. If they paid the other team to lose then fine, ban. But they didn't so there's nothing wrong. Why not ban for leeching gold capes too?
Fame farming means that they are still participating, it's not throwing a game. If they paid the other team to lose then fine, ban. But they didn't so there's nothing wrong. Why not ban for leeching gold capes too?
Sarevok Thordin
To avoid this is a very simple thing.
EARN YOUR POINTS LIKE REAL PLAYERS.
Good to see Anet clamping down on people who think they can just buy these titles, why can't they just stick to titles you can legitly buy, like the Zaishen title.
EARN YOUR POINTS LIKE REAL PLAYERS.
Good to see Anet clamping down on people who think they can just buy these titles, why can't they just stick to titles you can legitly buy, like the Zaishen title.
Jenn
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Originally Posted by Pew Pew Peace
Hey,
yep this is same topic,but they closed it,couse some ppl spamed in. after 2 weeks trying to get my account back i was wondering to post this warning to prevent banning ppl for this service.(There is no warnings about this bannable service on guru) (Firts topic was created by my guild leader,becaouse i was busy atm) |
Longasc
LOL... "Gregor" got banned for the 2nd time.
This thread:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10373825
Old thread:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10369658
This fame farming business sounds legal, but the players often portray themselves as innocent victims.
You can also buy "fame" from RMT sites. In fact, everything you can imagine. You can even offer YOUR services to them, e.g. be the fame farmer for them.
Oh Gregor, I hereby declare that I cannot judge thee. I will leave it to our Lord in Heaven, who probably will leave the decision to ANet support.
This thread:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10373825
Old thread:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10369658
This fame farming business sounds legal, but the players often portray themselves as innocent victims.
You can also buy "fame" from RMT sites. In fact, everything you can imagine. You can even offer YOUR services to them, e.g. be the fame farmer for them.
Oh Gregor, I hereby declare that I cannot judge thee. I will leave it to our Lord in Heaven, who probably will leave the decision to ANet support.
Pew Pew Peace
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Originally Posted by Longasc
LOL... "Gregor" got banned for the 2nd time.
This thread: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10373825 Old thread: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10369658 This fame farming business sounds legal, but the players often portray themselves as innocent victims. You can also buy "fame" from RMT sites. In fact, everything you can imagine. You can even offer YOUR services to them, e.g. be the fame farmer for them. Oh Gregor, I hereby declare that I cannot judge thee. I will leave it to our Lord in Heaven, who probably will leave the decision to ANet support. |
This topic is just warning to ppl offering this bannable service,i dont care about opinions and i dont care about unbann.u get it?
Kattar
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Bug John
Seriously, ranks are worth nothing in this game: hero is retarded, glad and champ can be sync farmed, commander is /roll or red = /resign, zaishen is a pve rank...
And they're certainly not worth a ban if no real world currency is involved.
And they're certainly not worth a ban if no real world currency is involved.
Arduin
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Originally Posted by chiuna
I think you mean this thread. It wasn't even that long ago... and the support letter is identical.
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Good luck OP!
Rocky Raccoon
It amazes me how people can try to justify what amounts to cheating.
Red Sonya
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Originally Posted by Floski
How is paying to, basically join a higher ranked team, a bannable offense. That is beyond ridiculous but par for the course from Anet imo.
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esthetic
You guys that support banning for fame farming... Do you support banning other runs for in game gold? Running to places, running missions, and other running for titles (survivor, ZChest services, Selling unid for wisdom, ect..) Do you support banning ppl for buying in game items for in game gold? like Zkeys, Ectos, Crystalline Swords? I mean to take the logic that ppl use for banning fame farming you can extend it to any of the above acts as well.
What is the difference here? Think it through.
What you think is "fair" v. what should be banned are not always the same thing.
What is the difference here? Think it through.
What you think is "fair" v. what should be banned are not always the same thing.
Pew Pew Peace
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Originally Posted by Red Sonya
Ban em Anet I am behind you 100% and don't let them come back either ban their ISP as well. |
XDDD anet is now stronger with you.I agree with john,hero rank can be farmed by know how to spam 1234 skill combo and micro your dunkoro on spikes.Oh its called pvp?Dunkoro?Pvp?Cpoints can be bspiked easy,roll your commander(oh gj anet,they removed roll in pvp).I got some pvp hight ranks like hero and champ,and i dont care about that.Ppl know me i have cool references if im looking for team/guild.Gl with your titles .=)
Topic:If other players in team agree with this(read,guildteam,friends i know) whats the problem?
Fril Estelin
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Originally Posted by Pew Pew Peace
I hope they fix this in EULA.
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http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:..._February_2009
Look for "unsportmanship".
Xanthe Dashka
So buying your rank with ingame gold is illegal.
Please ban all guilds who sold goldcapes to members.
Anet is full of jokes. They are really bad.
Please ban all guilds who sold goldcapes to members.
Anet is full of jokes. They are really bad.
Pew Pew Peace
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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
If I'm not mistaken, they already did:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:..._February_2009 Look for "unsportmanship". |
also some ppl are afk when they are w8ing guy to bring them in next town like kamadan-drocks,this is leeching?And this is also illegal ingame service.
esthetic
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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
If I'm not mistaken, they already did:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:..._February_2009 Look for "unsportmanship". |
Killed u man
Yeah, to all the PvE'ers who are so incredibly smart they can see the anaology towards PvE here:
So Anet should start banning EVERYONE who offer's run services now? For both a mission, or getting to a certain place.
Also, Afk vanquishing services should be bann-able now aswell?
They're is absolutely NO difference between a fame service and these services...
One guy is paying another guy to "help" him through a certain mission.
As I recall, Heroes Ascent is still a mission, a PvP one, yes, but still a regular mission, just like Ruins of Surmia or Any other mission you can think off.
If they is bann-able, then so should every other service be, because a service is nothing more than "paying to leech"...
So Anet should start banning EVERYONE who offer's run services now? For both a mission, or getting to a certain place.
Also, Afk vanquishing services should be bann-able now aswell?
They're is absolutely NO difference between a fame service and these services...
One guy is paying another guy to "help" him through a certain mission.
As I recall, Heroes Ascent is still a mission, a PvP one, yes, but still a regular mission, just like Ruins of Surmia or Any other mission you can think off.
If they is bann-able, then so should every other service be, because a service is nothing more than "paying to leech"...
Xanthe Dashka
Instead of banning people they should look at they incredibly messed up failing dishonor system. If their support works the same they should all be fired. It's unbelievable how you get an dishonor WHILE you play and some retard reports you for fun. And when I see someone push Frenzy for 10min in the base I get a dishonor for reporting him as a leecher! FAILNET!
pumpkin pie
PvE runs and PvP runs are two different thing.
Krill
What's really weird is that when I try to report Gwen and Tahlkora for the same offense nothing happens. WTF anet???
Bug John
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Originally Posted by Red Sonya
And the majority of players that say ^ don't have any rank to speak of. Pure jealousy statement. I would say a large majority EARNED their rank and people like you are just jealous because you can't earn yours fast enough. Oh an of course I expect you to come back and say you got all kinds of r12 rank in this or that when you really don't have any or very low.
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Sure "What are you talking about you unranked jealous noob ?" is a valid point...
Ranks are worth nothing in this game, they're something good players don't really care about, they've got an alliance, a friendlist, and they know each other.
Real high end gvgers are certainly proud of their champ 6+ ranks, but I highly doubt they play for the rank... And even if you bspiked of sync farmed your way to champ 3, you're not going to get into real high end gvg that easily if you suck.
If people want to pay for statues in HoM, what's the problem ?
For your interest, I do have decent ranks that allowed me to win hoh several times and to run in ha with r12+ people, and I do have top100 gvg experience. Believe it or not, I don't give a **** about what you think, and that's totally out of the subject.
If I were a troll like you, I'd say that most of the so called "high ranked" people I met that were too obsessed by ranks were the most terrible players, and that you're certainly one of them...
Sarevok Thordin
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Originally Posted by Bug John
Seriously, ranks are worth nothing in this game: hero is retarded, glad and champ can be sync farmed, commander is /roll or red = /resign, zaishen is a pve rank...
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Sarevok Thordin
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Originally Posted by Bug John
If people want to pay for statues in HoM, what's the problem ?
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Get that in your head. You CANNOT buy EVERYTHING in the game, if you don't have the ABILITY to get the statue with your PVP skill, accept it is beyond you and no amount of gold is going to change that.
Lyphen
They should work on clearing up the EULA and the conduct rules before perma banning people.
Martin Alvito
It's one thing to look down on players that purchase fame. Lord knows I do. It's quite another to suggest that the current policy makes selling fame farming services bannable.
The current policy makes "match manipulation" bannable. This is defined as throwing a match ("not participating in good faith"). Here, both the service provider and the customer put forth full effort to win the match. Compare to champ point farming, where an entire team /resigns, or leeching in FA/JQ/RA. This is clearly not match manipulation as the term has been defined.
What we have here is the virtual equivalent of an activist judge. The OP's argument is: you have banned me for an offense that is not bannable under present policies. The GM's argument is: the statute doesn't say it, but we meant that too. The OP's counterargument is: I can't derive that logically from the statutes.
This reveals the flaw with activism: it makes actors unable to condition their behavior on anticipated future consequences. Justice would be served by unbanning the player and updating the rules to reflect the intent of the policy. The present situation is no more just than an ex post facto law.
The current policy makes "match manipulation" bannable. This is defined as throwing a match ("not participating in good faith"). Here, both the service provider and the customer put forth full effort to win the match. Compare to champ point farming, where an entire team /resigns, or leeching in FA/JQ/RA. This is clearly not match manipulation as the term has been defined.
What we have here is the virtual equivalent of an activist judge. The OP's argument is: you have banned me for an offense that is not bannable under present policies. The GM's argument is: the statute doesn't say it, but we meant that too. The OP's counterargument is: I can't derive that logically from the statutes.
This reveals the flaw with activism: it makes actors unable to condition their behavior on anticipated future consequences. Justice would be served by unbanning the player and updating the rules to reflect the intent of the policy. The present situation is no more just than an ex post facto law.
MithranArkanere
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Originally Posted by Killed u man
Yeah, to all the PvE'ers who are so incredibly smart they can see the anaology towards PvE here:
So Anet should start banning EVERYONE who offer's run services now? For both a mission, or getting to a certain place. |
Well,, If anyone does, let's ban him too.
esthetic
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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
PvE runs and PvP runs are two different thing.
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Ate of DK
I get the impression that many forget that the OP is talking about Heroes Ascent. There is no ladder in Heroes Ascent. You can face R1-15 here and the matchmaking ignores your ranks.
Also, I believe the buyer doesn't leech. He plays to win, just like the seller. To increase the chances of winning offcourse. So the opponent doesn't have a problem facing someone who manipulates the outcome of the match.
If selling fame is a problem. So is selling goldcape membership, dungeon running or XP-leeching. I don't know why Anet keeps getting themselves into these discusions with stupid mistakes.
Ate.
Also, I believe the buyer doesn't leech. He plays to win, just like the seller. To increase the chances of winning offcourse. So the opponent doesn't have a problem facing someone who manipulates the outcome of the match.
If selling fame is a problem. So is selling goldcape membership, dungeon running or XP-leeching. I don't know why Anet keeps getting themselves into these discusions with stupid mistakes.
Ate.
Burst Cancel
Analogies to PvE do not apply. Rank in PvP in general (and HA in particular) is widely used as a rough metric for skill (whether rightfully or wrongfully). This cannot be said for Cartographer, Vanquisher, etc.
The problem here is obviously the titles themselves - when you add any kind of farmable win meter, people are going to try to find efficient ways to increase it. The problem is exacerbated by the HoM - people who normally wouldn't care about PvP titles at all suddenly want them so they can display in the HoM and carry-over to GW2.
Skill-based games need to remain about skill, rather than false prestige.
The problem here is obviously the titles themselves - when you add any kind of farmable win meter, people are going to try to find efficient ways to increase it. The problem is exacerbated by the HoM - people who normally wouldn't care about PvP titles at all suddenly want them so they can display in the HoM and carry-over to GW2.
Skill-based games need to remain about skill, rather than false prestige.
belladonna shylock
If the moderator stated this thread was closed earlier because it had ran its course, why is it still open? It's like someone removed the lock placed on it and bumping it. It seems disrespectful to the moderator who closed it. He had a reason, as was stated above. This post is no different from the OP previous post. It's a simple copy and paste.
Snow Bunny
It's not unsportsmanlike conduct. Do you people not get this?
There's no ladder manipulation, or any manipulation. You faced R10+ teams all the time - now you're facing an R10 team with an R5 who paid his way into the group. How is this unsportsmanlike conduct?
The player doesn't leech - he has to play as well. There's no manipulation, no afk farming, nothing of the sort.
It is akin to a PvE runner, because the PvE runner is bypassing the traditional outlet for progression in the game. The PvP fame farmer is just taking someone who isn't up to par with the rest of the group, for a price. They still have to play - there's no manipulation going on.
Unless, the rest of you are all upset that you don't have the cash or skill to get a /rank emote.
It's the same as facing an R10 team, this one just has a weaker player.
edit: belladonna, stop trying to usermod. This thread is relevant and should be kept open until it degenerates into a flame war. They're banning on a bullshit principle, and it should be fought.
There's no ladder manipulation, or any manipulation. You faced R10+ teams all the time - now you're facing an R10 team with an R5 who paid his way into the group. How is this unsportsmanlike conduct?
The player doesn't leech - he has to play as well. There's no manipulation, no afk farming, nothing of the sort.
It is akin to a PvE runner, because the PvE runner is bypassing the traditional outlet for progression in the game. The PvP fame farmer is just taking someone who isn't up to par with the rest of the group, for a price. They still have to play - there's no manipulation going on.
Unless, the rest of you are all upset that you don't have the cash or skill to get a /rank emote.
It's the same as facing an R10 team, this one just has a weaker player.
edit: belladonna, stop trying to usermod. This thread is relevant and should be kept open until it degenerates into a flame war. They're banning on a bullshit principle, and it should be fought.
Pew Pew Peace
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Originally Posted by belladonna shylock
If the moderator stated this thread was closed earlier because it had ran its course, why is it still open? It's like someone removed the lock placed on it and bumping it. It seems disrespectful to the moderator who closed it. He had a reason, as was stated above. This post is no different from the OP previous post. It's a simple copy and paste.
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Hmm not.This post need to be bumped so ppl wont get banned for this,again there is no warnings in section Services on guru about this bannable service.
Torsen1
We need to start banning PvP groups that have a less experienced member who just happens to be a friend of someone in the group.
esthetic
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Originally Posted by belladonna shylock
If the moderator stated this thread was closed earlier because it had ran its course, why is it still open? It's like someone removed the lock placed on it and bumping it. It seems disrespectful to the moderator who closed it. He had a reason, as was stated above. This post is no different from the OP previous post. It's a simple copy and paste.
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Banning for Fame farm i do not agree deserves ban per the rules of EULA.
Bug John
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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin
These statues are supposed to be EARNED with a player's SKILL and NOT their gold.
Get that in your head. You CANNOT buy EVERYTHING in the game, if you don't have the ABILITY to get the statue with your PVP skill, accept it is beyond you and no amount of gold is going to change that. |
I "earned" the ranks I have (two or three years ago), and you know what... I don't give a *** about other players ranks. I don't really care about ranks, I play with my friends, or pug when I'm bored, but the important is not the amount of points I get, the important is entertainment, that's the purpose of PvP.
If people want a statue in their HoM, I don't care, good for them.
In fact, the only reasons I see to ask for bans is jealousy or e-peen, don't try to amuse me with your "how the game should be". If you want people who paid for ranks banned it's simply because you feel your ranks (or those you can't get) are diminished by these players.
And there we fall into the same old problem: people want to be recognized in a video game, and don't play for fun, which is quite pathetic. And of course, when there are easier or different ways to get to the same "achievements", they feel offended.
As long as the game allows you to take a low ranked person in your group to help him earn points, there should be no bans, even if he gives gold in return.
BTW, PvP is no longer about skill, it's about commitment, as long as you are able to spend enough time playing, are not completely retarded, listen to what experienced people say, and analyze the way you play, you can do anything, skill is just a little plus, but won't take you anywhere.
I've known several high-end gvg players (top 10, mat finals...), and they're far from being geniuses, they just spend a lot of time in game, they have objectives and do what's necessary to reach them.
esthetic
Who can say that they have never been run somewhere, run through a mission or bought an item from another player for in game cash?
Who would say that those activities need to be banned?
Used to be in the begining ppl would say getting a Droks run was wrong and should not be allowed. This is when not everyone could run it and many have yet gotten a run to Droknars Forge.
It seems that ppl are willing to say something is cheating and should be banned if they are not involved in it. The more ppl do fame farming the more accepted it becomes, not because its right or wrong but how many ppl have done it or received it.
Who would say that those activities need to be banned?
Used to be in the begining ppl would say getting a Droks run was wrong and should not be allowed. This is when not everyone could run it and many have yet gotten a run to Droknars Forge.
It seems that ppl are willing to say something is cheating and should be banned if they are not involved in it. The more ppl do fame farming the more accepted it becomes, not because its right or wrong but how many ppl have done it or received it.
Ebony Shadowheart
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Originally Posted by Red Sonya
And the majority of players that say ^ don't have any rank to speak of. Pure jealousy statement. I would say a large majority EARNED their rank and people like you are just jealous because you can't earn yours fast enough. Oh an of course I expect you to come back and say you got all kinds of r12 rank in this or that when you really don't have any or very low.
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Survivor....punch out.
Skill capping.....tomes.
Protector and Guardian.....runs.
Some you have to work for, like cartographer, but for the most part, most titles are no longer really considered prestigious. Even vanquishing can be ran for you.
And before you start going on about petty jealousy because I have no titles, I am 5 titles away from GWAMM. (I'll screenie it if you want) I've honestly spent the time working for my titles and I do feel jipped when something I worked hard for, someone else gets in half the time and even less effort because they paid to simply have it handed to them. However, I know there really isn't much of a point b*tching about it because nothing changes. Although I honestly don't understand what the point of 'playing' the game is if you're not actually going to play it.
Anyway, to the OP - I am sorry you got banned, but I honestly don't think selling fame should be allowed. I've never bought fame (which I can prove by my measly 4 fame) and have never considered it. I figured if I wanted it I would work for it, which is the 'correct' way to do it. Even if it is a pain in the azz to get into a group when you're not ranked (which is partly why I despise pvp). Selling things like this just shouldn't be 'ok'. If you want a title, work for it!