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Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

14 May 2009 at 19:10 - 81

I still don't see the harm in this one, gang.

With Champ points it was obvious: low ranks of the title were diluted as signals of experience and small numbers of players that controlled the limited supply of available 1200+ guilds amassed great in-game wealth.

Intentional draw in a GvG/HvH AT: someone potentially gets cheated out of a top 16 berth.

FA/JQ/RA leecher: imbalances teams, leading to /ragequit, dishonor or just plain wasted time.

Here the HA team *deliberately* weakens itself in exchange for in-game cash from a lesser player. If anything, this makes every other team in HA better off. A strong team has been weakened, improving everyone else's chances of beating them.

Further, maybe noobs wouldn't be such noobs if they had the opportunity to run with a functional team and see firsthand how dysfunctional their noob team really is.

Finally, HA rank had already been ruined as a signal of prowess by three things - skilless grind builds (eg: IWAY), 48 months in release permitting even incompetent grinders to have high rank, and the dilution of the talent pool disproportionately rewarding recent HA play.

How is a fame farming service a problem, any more so than players getting run through missions is a problem? Would someone from the opposing camp please explain this to me?

Jensy

Site Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2007

Phoenix, Arizona

Blinkie Ponie Armie [bpa]

N/Mo

14 May 2009 at 19:33 - 82

I... don't even know what to say other than 'fail less'. So, what, you buy your fame so you can get into groups. They find out you suck balls, because you didn't take the time to actually learn to play the hard way and boot your ass anyway. Fail.

Also, anyone needing to be AFK for vanquishing and HM missions needs to /uninstall.

enter_the_zone

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2007

R/

14 May 2009 at 19:33 - 83

Fame "farming" doesn't violate ANY reasonable interpretation of the EULA, since they still play, they just pay in game money to play with better people.

Maybe if you could get a decent group without doing this, so you could actually learn something from players better than you, this wouldn't be so much of an "issue"...

By this logic, they should be banning people who sell invitations to trimmed guilds, it's exactly the same thing ie. paying to be in the presence of those who are better than you..

Pathetic Anet, as usual GG.

I don't suppose the Community Manager would bother to respond to the community concerns regarding Anet's interaction with said community in this regard.....might be, you know, doing the job. Which is something Anet seem more and more bound and determined not to do anymore.

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

14 May 2009 at 19:47 - 84

Quote:

Originally Posted by pansy malfoy

I... don't even know what to say other than 'fail less'.

While I completely agree with your sentiments, banning the sellers of such services doesn't follow. The community should rightly heap all the scorn and derision at its command upon the purchasers of a fame farming service. Ridiculing incompetents with a tiger/phoenix after their incompetence is discovered is fair game. They deserve it. Same thing for purchasers of gold cape trim.

The argument that "you must have fame to get groups" is just wrong. There have been plenty of times when I, or others, called on the r4-5 friend that was online over the r9-11 friend, simply because that player could do the available job better. You don't get groups with a tiger or a phoenix. You get them by networking and a reputation for solid play.

There are only two ways to break into those networks: have an "in" already that is a friend AND back up the invite with your play, or suck it up and put the effort in to build your own network from scratch. Rank impresses no one. So who cares if people buy it?

DreamWind

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2006

E/Mo

14 May 2009 at 20:19 - 85

As much as I think fame farming services are sad (alongside buying of gold capes, champ point farming, etc), it is clearly not a bannable offense currently. The only way you can even argue so is if you actually change the meaning of what the EULA says.

Argue that it SHOULD be bannable and you might be getting somewhere (even though I would probably disagree with that as well), but Anet clearly screwed up here IMO.

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Originally Posted by II Lucky Charm II

Name one person in history that got admitted to an ivy league school because they had the money and not intelligence.

And even though this off topic, let me address this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8drtjtbN22c

This isn't even including famous people, who can basically go anywhere they want because the schools want to be able to say that X famous person went here.

Jensy

Site Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2007

Phoenix, Arizona

Blinkie Ponie Armie [bpa]

N/Mo

14 May 2009 at 20:54 - 86

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

While I completely agree with your sentiments, banning the sellers of such services doesn't follow. The community should rightly heap all the scorn and derision at its command upon the purchasers of a fame farming service. Ridiculing incompetents with a tiger/phoenix after their incompetence is discovered is fair game. They deserve it. Same thing for purchasers of gold cape trim.

The argument that "you must have fame to get groups" is just wrong. There have been plenty of times when I, or others, called on the r4-5 friend that was online over the r9-11 friend, simply because that player could do the available job better. You don't get groups with a tiger or a phoenix. You get them by networking and a reputation for solid play.

There are only two ways to break into those networks: have an "in" already that is a friend AND back up the invite with your play, or suck it up and put the effort in to build your own network from scratch. Rank impresses no one. So who cares if people buy it?

Nah, you're right. I just wasn't clear in my statement. I was trying to think like the average joe fame buyer, who doesn't know these things *g*

Though, I guess it depends on who you ask. There was a thread elsewhere on guru here about this very issue (getting into HA groups) where the opinions varied wildly.

Still, meh, I don't think there's any real crime going on. Unless you count failing @ pvp

Bof

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2009

SOHK

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14 May 2009 at 21:42 - 87

They might have gotten him for the real world trading like they do the gold sellers who are retarded.

Think about this after 13 wins you would have to pay 120k per win @ 3k ea fame. HoH doesnt last that long and if you had to pay 120k after each win then it looks like your trading gold for real life money. They honestly dont care where you are if you are trading large amounts of money quickly.

Ok.. so you pay after the group occurs a loss. The amount of Z-Keys or Ecto you are trading for nothing on the other side looks the same.

Yes, I understand that you are paying for fame, but honestly ANet cannot know this. They look at it like someone has paid for gold.

RA sync is match manipulation obviously because then it is no longer random.
Champ point for they sync to who they play to some extent.

HB resign (isnt banned) obvious match, ladder, mAT manipulation......WTF

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

W/

14 May 2009 at 22:06 - 88

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ebony Shadowheart

Anyway, to the OP - I am sorry you got banned, but I honestly don't think selling fame should be allowed. I've never bought fame (which I can prove by my measly 4 fame) and have never considered it. I figured if I wanted it I would work for it, which is the 'correct' way to do it. Even if it is a pain in the azz to get into a group when you're not ranked (which is partly why I despise pvp). Selling things like this just shouldn't be 'ok'. If you want a title, work for it!

Technically these people are working for it. They worked for the money, and they can't just sit in the match and do nothing. They're paying to get accepted into good groups that they would not otherwise so their chance of winning is greater. They still have to play and be somewhat good. So they are still earning it, but they are doing it smarter and more efficiently than someone who'd just PUG and take forever when it doesn't have to take that long.

Sarevok Thordin

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Scotland

W/N

14 May 2009 at 22:11 - 89

Paying to get into a good group is really just saying "I suck, do the hard work for me because I can't"

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

W/

14 May 2009 at 22:16 - 90

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

Paying to get into a good group is really just saying "I suck, do the hard work for me because I can't"

Or it's saying I don't know anyone who PvPs, therefore I cannot get a group who wins, so I'm going to do this to help me out. That's how HA is, you don't win efficiently unless you know people. It's a club you can't get in unless you have money or friends.

Inde

Site Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2004

14 May 2009 at 22:19 - 91

Sorry, I haven't been through all 90 posts but has ANYONE else heard of a case of being banned for this?

Edit: Nevermind, I see this was addressed back on page 3. One user amongst millions has been banned for this. I do think there is certainly more to the story (such as a lot of bans before this). Maybe Anet was indeed just looking for an excuse to perma this user, but clearly they were not banned for just fame farming. Unless we hear of another legit case I think it's safe to say that no one else is going to be banned for this.

Black Metal

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2009

N/

14 May 2009 at 22:53 - 92

I respect your view on this Inde; however I think both of us would like to get an official policy statement from someone like Regina....whose job it is

Bof

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2009

SOHK

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14 May 2009 at 22:58 - 93

If you go back a couple of pages on this there was another user who was banned for it.

I think since we do not have all the facts here: its the way on how they are getting paid that is making them get banned.

Pew Pew Peace

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2009

Slovenia

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15 May 2009 at 08:55 - 94

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bof

If you go back a couple of pages on this there was another user who was banned for it.

I think since we do not have all the facts here: its the way on how they are getting paid that is making them get banned.

1.Again this is same post,old one was closed couse of spam and after 2 weeks trying to get account back i was wondering to post this warning to prevent this kind of incidents.

2.Anet banned me exactly for "Illegal Fame Service",and they have record of this incident.

3.No-one before was banned for this service!No-one!

4.I was banned once for 71 hours,for spam.(If spam is rolling in hoh,ok)

RotteN

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

15 May 2009 at 09:21 - 95

Would be nice to get a reply from Regina or Martin concerning this matter.

Honestly, if he did get banned solely for his fame-farming-service, it is pretty ridiculous. Anet seems to be pretty ban-happy as of late. Or I'm just seeing more people complain about wierd bans.

fusa

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

15 May 2009 at 11:05 - 96

The OP's story couldn't be any more full of holes. First off he originally posted here http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10369658 as neik2004 (all posts refering to himself as the one being banned) then here he has a large equipment pack for sale (kind of hard since he was banned before it existed) http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10373912 From these posts (before ban) http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...30#post4582630 and after ban, today at 7am eastern, both are currently online :

I guess Regina must have stayed after work last night to remove their bans....

Wish Swiftdeath

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

Mo/W

15 May 2009 at 13:26 - 97

Is this a bit of game theory?

:P

GW Economy lol

Ozric

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Texas

Phoolz Like Us

E/Me

15 May 2009 at 14:56 - 98

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Metal

I respect your view on this Inde; however I think both of us would like to get an official policy statement from someone like Regina....whose job it is

It seems that garethporlest18 would have you believe that this too should be purchasable with ingame money.

GourangaPizza

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

R/W

15 May 2009 at 15:21 - 99

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elephantaliste

IN EULA :

"While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people's game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching."

ArenaNet should ban themselves because clearly they manipulate a match by banning OP while he is GvGing in rated tournaments, resulting in team advantage to his opponents.

In fact nobody should be banned while participating in any forms of PvP.

fusa

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

15 May 2009 at 15:32 - 100

Quote:

Originally Posted by GourangaPizza

ArenaNet should ban themselves because clearly they manipulate a match by banning OP while he is GvGing in rated tournaments, resulting in team advantage to his opponents. In fact nobody should be banned while participating in any forms of PvP.

He obviously wasn't banned since he is still logging into the game. What Anet should do is ban the people stupid enough to make these threads, and the ones ignorant enough to believe their bullshit.

Ebony Shadowheart

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

USA

SSW

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15 May 2009 at 16:11 - 101

Quote:

Originally Posted by garethporlest18

Technically these people are working for it. They worked for the money, and they can't just sit in the match and do nothing. They're paying to get accepted into good groups that they would not otherwise so their chance of winning is greater. They still have to play and be somewhat good. So they are still earning it, but they are doing it smarter and more efficiently than someone who'd just PUG and take forever when it doesn't have to take that long.

By that line of thinking, they should not have to pay. The object of the game (at least in pvp) is to play with other people. You should not have to PAY THEM to let you play in their team, whether they're "better" than you or not.

So they can form coinage, yay for them, it's not the same. As you put it, even coinage won't help them if they aren't at least 'somewhat good' so isn't that point moot?

If they are 'somewhat good' they should be able to find viable teams without paying for it. Unless of course you're referring to the unfair rank discrimination that takes place in most pvp, and most of the high ranked pvp title holders really aren't worth the time it would take to spit on them because most of them are azzes. I admit I have met a few nice pvpers, but I think a good chunk of people will probably agree that most pvpers are just d*cks.

Eragon Zarroc

Atra estern?? ono thelduin

Join Date: Jan 2008

Madness Incarnate

[Duo]

W/P

15 May 2009 at 16:35 - 102

it is idiotic that this is a bannable offense, *sigh*

Floski

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Rank Three Plus Pug [deer]

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15 May 2009 at 16:35 - 103

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxBat

I said sync champpoint farming. One thing to set up a bunch of guys to bspike the ladder, another when you have two champrange guilds sync join and then one team /resigns or fails to load to the other. It's especially appaling how it's recorded on Obs for all to see during the double weekends..

lol. Good luck syncing with any degree of success on double champ point weekends. There are so many champ range guilds playing then that your chances are pretty bad. And even if you manage to get synced once, EACH GUILD WOULD HAVE TO PLAY 5 MATCHES BETWEEN EACH SYNC MATCH.

Woooooooow. What an amazing way to farm champ points...

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Services such as Champion Point Farming should be banned, since they influence the ladder

Tell me, how does it influence the ladder. Do people farming champ points not play to win like every other guild ever?

Quote:

These statues are supposed to be EARNED with a player's SKILL and NOT their gold.

I think Anet should start banning people who play builds that don't require skill. hurhurhur. Do you see why that is the stupidest shit ever, or is it beyond you?

Sarevok Thordin

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Scotland

W/N

15 May 2009 at 17:03 - 104

Quote:

Originally Posted by Floski

I think Anet should start banning people who play builds that don't require skill. hurhurhur. Do you see why that is the stupidest shit ever, or is it beyond you?

I think common bloody sense is beyond you, think before you hit the post button. Money should have nothing to do with rank in PvP.

Sad thing is that people HAVE been buying their rank because they flat out suck in PvP and it's about time Anet said "No, get skill or get stuffed"

I know there is rank discrimination but using money to get around it is not the way.

Sure, this should NOT have been a perma-ban, but at the same time taking cash on the side to let some half-wit (As the case may or may not be) get his bambi.

As for the champ point farming question chuckles, two scenarios for you to consider, syncing and smurfing.

Targren

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Primeval Warlords[wuw]

R/

15 May 2009 at 17:42 - 105

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bug John

Seriously, ranks are worth nothing in this game: hero is retarded, glad and champ can be sync farmed, commander is /roll or red = /resign, zaishen is a pve rank...
.

Unfortunately, that's not true anymore with the Zaishen update. Now that a lot of the goodies have costs > 10k faction, (even the PvE stuff. Explain THAT!), those stupid ranks can save you a LOT of tedious z-coin farming...

Pew Pew Peace

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2009

Slovenia

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15 May 2009 at 17:44 - 106

Quote:

Originally Posted by fusa

The OP's story couldn't be any more full of holes. First off he originally posted here http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10369658 as neik2004 (all posts refering to himself as the one being banned) then here he has a large equipment pack for sale (kind of hard since he was banned before it existed) http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10373912 From these posts (before ban) http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...30#post4582630 and after ban, today at 7am eastern, both are currently online :

I guess Regina must have stayed after work last night to remove their bans....

wrong ^^ this is my second account,banned one ign is Kronos Libertas

EDIT:Hole Goes Iwayi=Niek=My guild leader,he posted first topic couse i was busy and i didnt have gwguru account yet.

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

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15 May 2009 at 17:48 - 107

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ebony Shadowheart

By that line of thinking, they should not have to pay. The object of the game (at least in pvp) is to play with other people. You should not have to PAY THEM to let you play in their team, whether they're "better" than you or not.

So they can form coinage, yay for them, it's not the same. As you put it, even coinage won't help them if they aren't at least 'somewhat good' so isn't that point moot?

If they are 'somewhat good' they should be able to find viable teams without paying for it. Unless of course you're referring to the unfair rank discrimination that takes place in most pvp, and most of the high ranked pvp title holders really aren't worth the time it would take to spit on them because most of them are azzes. I admit I have met a few nice pvpers, but I think a good chunk of people will probably agree that most pvpers are just d*cks.

They don't have to know how to play what they are playing, like a r10 hero person would though. They only have to know the basics of it and be able to do it somewhat. That means they can't get into teams that win consistently. That's why the pay for it. That's what I was saying. They pay because of 1 of 2 reasons, or both, I'm guessing. 1. being they don't want to spend a lot of time, and want to get it done fast, this is probably the top reason. 2. because of rank discrimination and them not being able to get anywhere because of fail players and other PvPers demanding something of you because they want to win.

Ozric

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Texas

Phoolz Like Us

E/Me

15 May 2009 at 18:53 - 108

Quote:

Originally Posted by garethporlest18

That means they can't get into teams that win consistently. That's why the pay for it. That's what I was saying. They pay because of 1 of 2 reasons, or both, I'm guessing. 1. being they don't want to spend a lot of time, and want to get it done fast,

This makes about as much sense as that old argument, 'everyone deserves to have a rare-skinned weapon'. If you lack the ability to win, you certainly don't deserve rank. If you cannot get into a good team because of this, well that's a product of your lack of ability, and your rank should reflect that. If however, you're unable to advance your rank because of it and you feel that you're better than your rank reflects, then you should organize some like-minded individuals into a team and take the rank you deserve.

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

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15 May 2009 at 19:16 - 109

The problem with the argument "well, they are playing to win, so it doesn't fix matches" is you can't prove it!

This opens the door to bribing a team to loose, or bribing a member to tank.

And, since it would be very hard to "prove" if someone was purposely trying to lose, or just sucks, I can understand Anet's reaction. A permanent ban seems harsh, but apparently Anet cares very deeply about match manipulation.

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

15 May 2009 at 20:11 - 110

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mordakai

The problem with the argument "well, they are playing to win, so it doesn't fix matches" is you can't prove it!

This opens the door to bribing a team to loose, or bribing a member to tank.

And, since it would be very hard to "prove" if someone was purposely trying to lose, or just sucks, I can understand Anet's reaction. A permanent ban seems harsh, but apparently Anet cares very deeply about match manipulation.

Are you saying banning people without proving they broke the rules is ok??

Ebony Shadowheart

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

USA

SSW

E/

15 May 2009 at 20:28 - 111

Quote:

Originally Posted by garethporlest18

They don't have to know how to play what they are playing, like a r10 hero person would though.

Not necessarily, considering you can buy it. Rank means nothing when you pay for it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by garethporlest18

They only have to know the basics of it and be able to do it somewhat. That means they can't get into teams that win consistently.

Winning consistently should require effort and skill on the part of everyone involved, especially in high ranked pvp. Not 7 people pulling the majority of the wieght and one person basically just 'tagging along' doing 'basics'.

Besides, the game isn't about winning, its supposed to be about having fun and enjoying yourself. You can do both and still lose.

Quote:

Originally Posted by garethporlest18

They pay because of 1 of 2 reasons, or both, I'm guessing. 1. being they don't want to spend a lot of time, and want to get it done fast, this is probably the top reason.

Right there is why I don't feel its right or fair. You shouldn't be able to buy a title that is supposed to represent skill. It's unfair to the honest individuals that worked for it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by garethporlest18

2. because of rank discrimination and them not being able to get anywhere because of fail players and other PvPers demanding something of you because they want to win.

This is why I don't pvp (much). You automatically label less experienced players as 'fail' yet players cannot gain experience unless they try. No one wants to give them the benefit of the doubt. Unless you belong to a large guild or alliance, even attempting pvp (except on possibly double weekends or zquest days) is pointless as no one will let you group with them.

I stand by my opinion that selling fame shouldn't be allowed (and that buying it shouldn't be allowed either).

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

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15 May 2009 at 20:44 - 112

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

Are you saying banning people without proving they broke the rules is ok??

Nooooo....

I'm saying that manipulating matches is against the rules.

What if someone was paying someone to LOSE a match? That would justify banning, correct?

So, should Anet keep careful track every time money is exchanged to a team and make sure that they are only being payed to win?

No, they should have an easy rule: No manipulation of matches. Period.

Again, I think a permanent ban is a bit much, and Anet needs a clear statement saying that money (in game or otherwise) shall not be used to influence matches in ANY way.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArenaNet

While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people's game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.

emphasis mine

Pew Pew Peace

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2009

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15 May 2009 at 22:13 - 113

Quote:

Originally Posted by fusa

He obviously wasn't banned since he is still logging into the game. What Anet should do is ban the people stupid enough to make these threads, and the ones ignorant enough to believe their bullshit.

before acting like one "Detective" scroll up and read all my posts.

1.Kronos Libertas-My Banned Account
2.Niek2004-Hole Goes Iway-My guild leader
3.Pew Pew Ion Cannonz-My second account,im playing on this since i was banned.

2 weeks ago or smt when i was banned i asked Niek2004(Hole Goes Iway) to post for me on gwguru(couse i didnt have 1 account yet here),he copy/pasted my words and opened this topic.
After 2 weeks trying to get my account back i give up and posted this warning on gwguru.

U failed.yep :-)

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

15 May 2009 at 22:19 - 114

Any more banned accounts of yours and your guild leader that the public should be aware of? :>

Pew Pew Peace

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2009

Slovenia

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15 May 2009 at 22:26 - 115

Quote:

Originally Posted by Longasc

Any more banned accounts of yours and your guild leader that the public should be aware of? :>

More banned accounts?Where?My guild leader didnt get banned once in 4 years and this was my first time.What is your problem m8?

belladonna shylock

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Hey Mallyx [icU]

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15 May 2009 at 22:31 - 116

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pew Pew Peace

2 weeks ago or smt when i was banned i asked Niek2004(Hole Goes Iway) to post for me on gwguru(couse i didnt have 1 account yet here),he copy/pasted my words and opened this topic.

Did you send the post to him as an attachment in MS word format or did you type it in the body of the email?

Who types something up to post on guru before making a guru account? That just defies logic.

Inde

Site Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2004

15 May 2009 at 22:32 - 117

Regina all ready offered to look into this personally for you Pew Pew Peace. So we'll let support handle it from now on. Considering that this is an isolated incident and we don't have all the facts.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina

We'll looking into this with support. Could you provide us, in private, with the support ticket incident number? Thanks.

Regina Buenaobra

ArenaNet

Join Date: Apr 2008

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19 May 2009 at 23:47 - 118

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pew Pew Peace

Hey,

My account was terminnated for offering (Illegal) Fame Farming Service.Like XXXX joined my team and after run he paid me with ingame gold/ectos/zkeys.

This is potential warning to people offering this kind of ingame service.

Quote:

Quote:
Originally Posted by XXXX
Customer (XXXXXXXXXX) 04/24/2009 12:01 PM
Hello,

Today during a gvg my account was permanently banned, I got kicked out of the gvg and when i tried to reconnect, i was banned. I can only guess why this happened. Perhaps becouse moments before we went in the gvg I borrewed a Voltiac Spear from a guildy? I would love to get some answers as to why I am banned.

Please send me the reason why I have been banned.

regards,
XXXX
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Response (GM Leonie) 04/24/2009 03:20 PM
Hello Gregor,

Thank you very much for contacting the Guild Wars Customer Support Team.

After investigating the reported issue, we can confirm that your account has rightfully been suspended from our service as a result of a violation of our rules that you agreed to when you first launched Guild Wars. Specifically, your account was suspended for:

- Offering illegal fame-farming service

The details of this incident are on record and we can confirm that we will not remove the suspension from your account.

For your reference, the detailed rules and regulations can be found on our official website: http://www.guildwars.com/support/legal/

Thank you for your patience and cooperation in this matter.

Regards,

GM Leonie
Guild Wars Customer Support
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Customer (XXXXXXXXXXX) 04/24/2009 03:34 PM
Dear GM,

After your previous responce, I have carefully read the code of conduct again, and I think a serious error has been made.

The bannable offence that came the closest to what you described was, and I quote:

" Selling services of any kind—including such things as "runs" through portions of the game—for real-world currency."

I did not do this, you see, I "Sold" 10 fame, for ingame money, which is not real-world currency.
You can compare this with people running you through missions.

If selling fame for ingame money is a bannable offence can you please qoute the part of the code of conduct which sais so.

I hope you will read this in time, and that you give me an answer, becouse I really want to play this months mAT.

Kind Regards,
XXXXXXXXXXXXX

EDIT:There is no warning on guru about this.

We had a look into this incident. The details of the OP's account termination revealed that he was not punished for fame farming, but for an account-related rules infraction -- namely that account information was being solicited from players.

To clarify our policy: we do not take action on in-game services exchanged for in-game gold. While some people may frown upon these services, it is not strictly against the rules.

Please do not share your account information with anyone, and please be careful about people who ask you to share your account with them in-game. Account sharing _is_ against the rules set out in the User Agreement and Rules of Conduct.