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ZenRgy

Zookeeper

Join Date: Jul 2005

Australian Discussion Posse HQ - Glorious leader

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N/E

14 May 2009 at 23:32 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Empress Amarox

Wow, I'm upset...

Warrior's Endurance: this skill is now a stance.

Just 2 days ago I got tormented daggers for my Warrior, and go figure, they have to use Warrior's Endurance for the build, which is completely worthless without an IAS.

Now you get to use an axe, like a man. Chop your enemies down with might, like these mighty men.

Sir Baddock

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Canada

Endemic Warfare

W/

14 May 2009 at 23:33 - 42

I'm thinking Mo/W runners are going to be popular now, throw aegis on one of them and you now have free slots on the other monks + anti-spike on the runner.

GG Anet.

Professor K

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2009

Mo/A

14 May 2009 at 23:33 - 43

Nice nerfs I have they have a ton more nerfs in store for next month as well.

ele pl

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2007

E/

14 May 2009 at 23:34 - 44

This update is just bad. ANY interesting stuff (but merch, and maybe change to dishonor system). No adressing real problems.

poasiods

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2008

R/

14 May 2009 at 23:35 - 45

Anyone know if the total healing from WoH is affected at all?

Edit: Wow, 300 people viewing.

Alleji

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

14 May 2009 at 23:35 - 46

PnH hardly got nerfed. Fail.

Sarevok Thordin

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Scotland

W/N

14 May 2009 at 23:36 - 47

Please tell me Steam and GoI got gooned, I really hate that godamn combo.

Edit: Wow, way to make WE really un-attractive in PvP again anet >:/

Cab Tastic

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

Rt/

14 May 2009 at 23:37 - 48

don't usually comment on skill balances but..........

is that it??

wetwillyhip

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

USA, Southern California, Orange County

Tyrian Elements [TyE]

R/Mo

14 May 2009 at 23:37 - 49

blah, not happy about WE. getting nerfed for PVP... also WoH and PnH nerfs suck... those were good skills the way they were. i do like the ele buff to elemental lord and the buffs to ranger skills. Merchant is nice in GToB..i dunno what the crap they did to aegis... Low blow looks fun since now warriors can inflict cracked armor much more easily with an axe/sword.... low blow should work good with "you move like a dwarf"... overall, i would say pretty small/bad update... not worth the wait.

why in hell aren't more dormant and unpopular skills/elites buffed??? i really don't get it... that's the stuff that would make the game more interesting... rather than changing skills, reverting them back to their original status after a change... example: warriors endurance... used to be a stance, changed to a skill, now a stance again.... jesus make up your minds anet. tinkering with the same skills is aggravating and discouraging.

therangereminem

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

R/Mo

14 May 2009 at 23:37 - 50

aegis for pvp is junk 3 seconds 30 sec recharge is hardly a skillto be used

DreamWind

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2006

E/Mo

14 May 2009 at 23:37 - 51

An update that solves no problems and creates new ones? I'm shocked.

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

14 May 2009 at 23:38 - 52

I'm still hoping for an update where they look a bit more at the PvE side of things.

Of course, that's gonna have to wait until they get a few more of the problems in PvP settled down...which will take quite a long time, actually...

PS: Hi Linsey!!!

Spinny

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2008

United Kingdom

Flying Pink Pig Goes [zOOm]

R/

14 May 2009 at 23:39 - 53

buffs to ranger skills...eh?
whatruonabout.

turbo234

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2006

WI

Mo/

14 May 2009 at 23:39 - 54

Well..unless there is a part 2, I give up on the game.
Honestly 1/2 a year for this kind of an update? Let's address a few of the bigger problems, some skills no one cares about and call it a day. Sure, they had the 4th year update, but balance > stylist/namechange.

/verydisappointed

Lyphen

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

14 May 2009 at 23:41 - 55

Oh God, so the linked garbage was actually true? What a horrible letdown.

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

14 May 2009 at 23:41 - 56

I lol'ed hard.

Fast random thoughts:

PvP Aegis just got Smiter's Boon'ed.
And SoH aswell.
Way to do balancing!

And where's the lifesteal functionality chage? Was too buggy? Not enough time to test? At least bspike isn't any problem in current meta so it's a nonissue.

PvE:
No SF nerf for PvE after over a YEAR of being obvious it's totally broken (not to mention RoJ and a few other skills).

but PvE has to get more absurd imba! Tryptophan Signet :O
Low Blow will see A LOT of use aswell.
Elemental Lord - good change, weak skill turned into decent, not overpowered - in some builds I'd still use AoR over this.

EDIT::

Second thought: I must be blind, I missed the PnH nerf on the first glance. Was obviously needed, but will it see play after such a strong hit?

Nerfs of Foul Feast and Protective will have big impact on a wide range of PvP formats, both skills were heavily used, can't say what will happen now.

Anon-e-mouse

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

@ Home

League Of Friends [LOF]

R/Mo

14 May 2009 at 23:41 - 57

Why the nerf to Protective Was Kaolai? It wasn't needed in PvE and basically just messes up Sabway and Discordway.

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

14 May 2009 at 23:41 - 58

Amazing update. I'm not actually sure how they did it, but ArenaNet actually managed to smiter's boon certain skills, wreck others still, insubstantially nerf several critical skills, and manage to push the meta to superpowered physicals, all in one update.

Anet, you might not balance skills well, but you sure know how to make a terrible update.

DeBron

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2006

MD

14 May 2009 at 23:42 - 59

I think more work was put into the April Fools skill balance.

I Ithorian I

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2008

Whats Goin On [sup]

14 May 2009 at 23:43 - 60

heart of shadow disconnects everyone in the same instance , people are abusing it in ab as we speak

Apollo Smile

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2008

[LORE]

E/Mo

14 May 2009 at 23:43 - 61

Bookmarking this thread before I head out. No doubt there will be some hilarious QQ to read when I get back.

slowerpoke

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2007

Cuba

14 May 2009 at 23:43 - 62

sounds like theres lots of well known balance problems that werent addressed, but why exactly

does that mean those in charge of the update dont play their own game, they are so out of touch with the situation it appears the balance update was determined by throwing darts at a board?

I Ithorian I

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2008

Whats Goin On [sup]

14 May 2009 at 23:45 - 63

Apparently they have left out nerfing bloodspike alltogether , for those who didnt know the intention was to change the life stealing mechanic so prot would trigger - but 2 months down the line they try to rush the coding for it in one day and cant complete it in time.

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

14 May 2009 at 23:46 - 64

The second most useful Rit spell gets nerfed again, 25s recharge for a party wide heal, but oh wait, look at what monks can do [heal party].

The [Aegis] change for PVP is a complete joke right? What good is a few seconds of immunity on a 30s recharge? Oh crap, teh spike target has Aegis on them, umm, lets either wait for 3 seconds or change target maybe?

Paragons already have a couple of unused anti spike skills - [Angelic Bond] and [angelic protection].

If no one is using these, what makes you think the new one will be used?

TBH, [Aegis] should have been left as it was, it was far far better before for PVP, and [divine intervention] should have recieved the new Aegis functionality.

But Anet phail at common sense.

Professor K

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2009

Mo/A

14 May 2009 at 23:47 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by I Ithorian I

heart of shadow disconnects everyone in the same instance , people are abusing it in ab as we speak

They are working on a fix for it right now.

Lyphen

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

14 May 2009 at 23:47 - 66

The PvE nerf to Castigation is just retarded. Man, this update is really bugging me.

Nothing interesting, no updates to Paragons and Ritualists. Just garbage. Thanks Anet, really.

Hugh Manatee

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2007

Nice But Deadly[nice]

N/

14 May 2009 at 23:48 - 67

IW FTW!

Yeah, is it that they don't know how to script the AI to flee from RoJ or what? Death ray should have been hit, the duration and AoE of LC should have been hit, the ele, ranger and warrior stuff is ok guess... Nerfing castigation sig doesn't hurt smiting builds that much, the only way they can buff IW so it means anything is if they make it a skill and not an enchant...

About the only thing is summon spirits works a little better to make the communing stuff last longer, but not much...

I wonder if you could use scorpion wire with the new heart of shadow, cast it, move back, jump away, then towards your foe....

Martin Kerstein

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

14 May 2009 at 23:48 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by I Ithorian I

heart of shadow disconnects everyone in the same instance , people are abusing it in ab as we speak

We are aware of the issue and working on it as I type...

Moloch Vein

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Reactive Hexing Sucks

[Thay]

N/

14 May 2009 at 23:48 - 69

If this change to blood skills would come to pass, the damage and recharge times of these skills would also deserve a huge buff.

Faure

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

Mystic Spiral [MYST]

R/

14 May 2009 at 23:48 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apollo Smile

Bookmarking this thread before I head out. No doubt there will be some hilarious QQ to read when I get back.

Thanks for letting us know.

--
ontopic: i hope this will take lingering curse out, i hate it. I'm just happy they didn't change pve WE. P&H makes me wonder if RC isn't more viable again.

Mr. G

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

S. Wales

Mo/Me

14 May 2009 at 23:49 - 71

wow 4th page an nobodies posted anything with FULL CAPS!!!1111!!11!!!uno!!!

GWG you dissapoint me, the update is a bit hit and miss - I can't see anything thats going to throw a spanner in the works of the way I play. Although I'm in two minds about the new aegis.

Still, much like apollo, I look foward to drinking some tears later - until then:

turbo234

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2006

WI

Mo/

14 May 2009 at 23:50 - 72

Well, let's look at the bright side here. By 2024 the game will be balanced!

distilledwill

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Blighty

The Legion of the Blue Blade

R/Mo

14 May 2009 at 23:51 - 73

I wouldve been happy with this update last month. But the devs have had soooooo long to put this together and it is absolutely the bare minimum.

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

14 May 2009 at 23:51 - 74

Quote:

Originally Posted by poasiods

Anyone know if the total healing from WoH is affected at all?

Edit: Wow, 300 people viewing.

of course it did on the upside of ^50hp. That's like what twice in a row now they've nerfed WoH?

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

14 May 2009 at 23:53 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeBron

I think more work was put into the April Fools skill balance.

there was...

]HM[ Sabre Wolf

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2006

USA

Servants of Fortuna

W/

14 May 2009 at 23:53 - 76

Ranger: Keep the Bleeding and Poison condition, make Bleeding not conditional and nerf the over all damage to be completely conditional...

WoH: WoH's use is still the same... just makes it worse for those that dont know how to use it properly...

WE: Goody... Revert... back to Shock Axe Evis... WTB Sword Buff...

PWK: Well... makes my Spilt Monk build better...

Ele: OMG?!?!?! Kappa Mesmer Nerfed??? WOW!

Smiters: NERFED!

Linger: Not surprised... but I still question the AoE

Aegis: functionality changed to, um... Shadow Form Target Other for 1...3 Seconds?

PnH: I think its still fine for use... just scaled...

Sin Defense: Interesting change... "Directly away"... so that could be bad since you could shadow step even further away from the monks if the target is behind you and you shadow step forward deeper behind the back line...

IW: Um... ok?

Outcome: Smite Balence w/ WE is dead... Kappa is dead... and Ranger's needs to find a new damage source. I see an increase to Gimmick, Degen Pressure and Splits... not good...

refer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2009

US

14 May 2009 at 23:53 - 77

Horrible update. Horrible.

Marverick

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

R/

14 May 2009 at 23:53 - 78

Quote:

Originally Posted by I Ithorian I

heart of shadow disconnects everyone in the same instance , people are abusing it in ab as we speak

LOL that's epic

anyway, I don't understand the reasoning behind this update but.. whatever.. I'm already used to that

Inferno Link

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

E/R

14 May 2009 at 23:54 - 79

This update is.... so bad lol.

poasiods

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2008

R/

14 May 2009 at 23:55 - 80

If the WoH on wiki is from before this update, looks like WoH's overall healing went down by 10-20 points.