Know why I hate playing Proph & Factions?

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Imaginos
Jungle Guide
#1
Recently I was out doing some missions to clear some logs and after going back into town to sell I was once again reminded as to why I dislike Prophecies and Factions.....weapons/items without inscription slots.

I like being able to customize my weapons and when inscriptions were introduced, customizing became a lot more enjoyable.

Prophecies and Factions don't allow this and thus I find my enjoyment of these chapters less then in Nightfall or EotN. It's a shame there isn't an Inscription-smith who would add an Inscription slot to an item for a fee.
Yichi
Yichi
Furnace Stoker
#2
if you played the game before nightfall, you should be used to this...
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belladonna shylock
Wilds Pathfinder
#3
Though you're not wrong, I see the opposite as you. I feel it's a million times more enjoyable to chest run (in my opinion) non-inscr. items because those items are truly rare. When you get an R9 with perfect mods it makes you want to run 200 more chests that day. The same is not true with EOTN and Nightfall chests.

In my opinion, nightfall and EOTN killed the "rare" find.
Chicken Ftw
Chicken Ftw
Wilds Pathfinder
#4
I dunno. In a way, I liked it. When you finally got a weapon worth using, it felt pretty good (mostly because you knew it'd sell well, if it had a decent skin). NF/GWEN, get any old drop and customize it to your needs. Feh.
Grunntar
Grunntar
Lion's Arch Merchant
#5
Once I had weapons that I liked on all my characters, and I equipped all of my heroes, I quit caring about this. It quickly becomes quite meaningless.

Whether it's "perfect" or not, it's all merchant food. (I salvage an odd weapon upgrade or two, but I have so many, with no personal need for them, and they are such a chore to sell, it's not really worth the effort most of the time...)

So I enjoy Prophecies and Factions more because I don't worry about the quality of the drops. I get to play the game for the sake of the game. And for that, I think Prophecies is the most fun.
Erik Fox
Erik Fox
Frost Gate Guardian
#6
I'm in between on this one. On one hand I can now have all my ideal gear for all my characters and heroes; however, finding that perfect drop no longer has the magic it did before inscriptions.
Nessar
Nessar
Krytan Explorer
#7
I prefer inscription slot-less weapons. Less for me to salvage and take up storage. Finding a perfect weapon w/o an inscription feels great anyway c:
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Imaginos
Jungle Guide
#8
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Originally Posted by Yichi View Post
if you played the game before nightfall, you should be used to this...
Heh been here since beta and while I may be used to it, I don't like it Just finding that I spend far less time in these two campaigns due to this.
_Nihilist_
_Nihilist_
Will Bull's Strike for $!
#9
Half the excitement of getting a max gold drop in Proph/Factions came when you ID'd it and found out what bonus it had on it. Inscription slots killed that part of the fun!

Inscribable weapons are good for Physicals, but to have to shell out 20k+ for a max Forget Me Not inscription for my Monk or Necro? Please...
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Imaginos
Jungle Guide
#10
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Originally Posted by Tyrael_Eveningsong View Post
Half the excitement of getting a max gold drop in Proph/Factions came when you ID'd it and found out what bonus it had on it. Inscription slots killed that part of the fun!

Inscribable weapons are good for Physicals, but to have to shell out 20k+ for a max Forget Me Not inscription for my Monk or Necro? Please...
wow I've yet to see anyone charging 20k for a forget me not. They can't be that rare? Yeah that's crazy to have to spend way more for that.

On a related note I've noticed that inscriptions haven't impacted totem axes all that much, they still sell for 4-5k. Perhaps because making your own costs about that and the time spent to find a +20% enchant mod.
Sifow Chan
Sifow Chan
Frost Gate Guardian
#11
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Originally Posted by Yichi View Post
if you played the game before nightfall, you should be used to this...
Being used to it doesn't mean like it.

And as for me, I also dislike not being able to choose your own inscriptions but I main a Para so Proph and Factions drops are worthless to me anyway :P
slowerpoke
slowerpoke
Desert Nomad
#12
non insc = insta fail merch junk
Black Metal
Black Metal
Desert Nomad
#13
considering there are one hundred and one ways to get custom-modded r9 weapons in NF and EOTN (and z-chest), I like the higher stakes situation in Proph and Factions. When I got that gold r9 15^50 Zod sword farming the beginning of Urgoz before it got nerfed, that was such an awesome moment. Much more awesome than merching max gold r9 Greater Sage Blades from raptor farming because they are completely worthless due to saturation.

Imaginos: 20% Forget me nots do indeed go for about 20k, and yes they really are that rare. I've sold a couple for that, and seen others offering that much when I wasn't selling.
MithranArkanere
MithranArkanere
Underworld Spelunker
#14
The inscription system is good:
- It softens price spikes. The main price of a weapon comes from its base, not from its variable properties, and the variable properties just come as a bonus. Instead prices of merchant value...100K+ne we get prices more like 5k..100k. which is good.
- It is more versatile, and lets you change more and try more things. You won't stick to and item, you can use a perfect kit, savage a mod, try another, and go back whenever you want.
- It's the PvP system, so it's more balanced and fair for PvP. The old system creates quite a lot of vey weird drops PvP-only players characters can access only by trading with PvE players. I'm not against trading, but every single property combination should be available to PvP players. We are closer to that thanks to the menagerie. Now it's the turn for item combinations not available to PvP-only characters.

3 days before the release of Nightfall, I was talking with a member of the alliance I was in back there about how they should replace in equipment all variable properties that cannot be changed with upgrades that modify that property, because that way quite some storage would be saved, since you would only need one piece of equipment and be able to change it later with upgrades.
He replied that if they ever did so, he would no longer be able to sell item for more han 100k and he would leave the the game.
There are inscibed weapons that are sold for more than 100k, and he didn't left the game, although he never spoke to me again, as if it was my fault my wish becoming partially real. And as a bonus, we now can have cool necromancer armor without uncool extra damage from holy.
But there was something left.
Guild Wars proverbial lack of retroactivity.
That's one of the few things I hate in GW: the huge lack of retroactivity.
New skills for foreign professions in nightfall, but no skills for foreign professions in Factions or Prophecies.
Weapons for foreign skills in Nightfall, but no weapons for foreign professions in Factions or Prophecies (with a few exceptions added much later)
Retroactive changes are always good, bcause they will save the disppointment to players that play the cpaigns in 'inverse order'.
Imagine the 'fun' that will have a player that favors a dervish when going to other campaigns... no new skills... just a single new scythes only at the very end of the game, no new armors...
Yeah, there's the plot, but an Nightfall Elementalist may enjoy the plot while yielding a new staff, wearing a pyromancer armor and casting meteor showers. While the dervish will have to go back to Nightfall to get any new armor, skills or weapons, if he didn't have them all already.
I hope they don't forget Retroactivity with GW2, because lack or retroactivity is almost alwas very dispapointing.


Although I do like playing in Prophecies and Factions, the only equipment drops I like are armors, because they have runes, "Higly Salvageable" ones, because I can get more materials from them, and rares, because they may contain maxed mods.

All the other just went down the flush. I don't care if a I get a 15%^50, it's as disappointing as a 10^50%. It will go to the merchant, because if in the future I want to change it, I will not be able to. And I do change them a lot!
My main weapon is usually a 15%^50, but if I get a skin I like more, I use the old skin for something else, and fully mod the new skin. And I cannot do that if it is not inscribed.
I don't want a weapon so I can spam hours in Kamadan or to create a post in some forum to sell it, neither to show off . If I get a weapon, I want to use it, and change it accordingly to what I want.
I can do so with my armors, so keeping the old system is as good as going back to the old armor system.

I see more fun being able to change my stuff that having fixed things I cannot mod. When it comes to Prophecies, all items that drop there drop somewhere else so it's not very important, but when it comes to Factions, there are items like the Jitte that are IMPOSSIBLE to get inscribed without relying on Zaishen or Elite area chests.

At least bosses and chests should have a chance to drop inscribed items.

This things must be dne with drops worldwide:
- Add a weapon upgrade trader.
- Add the 'missing' upgrades so any drop and unique item can be replicated with upgrades and insignia. There are many non-replicable combinations that are unfair for PvP characters. Like they added the menagerie so PvP characters can get evolutions, they must add more mods so PvP characters can get all combinations.
- Improve customization for caster weapons and add customized features for offhand equipment.
- Upgrade all weapon and off-hand to the inscription system, at least for bosses and chests.
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Red Sonya
Desert Nomad
#15
Personally I wish they would take all the inscriptions out and players have to go back to playing the way it was in the beginning. Nothing screwed up the game more than open inscriptions and that zashien chest droppings. Nobody has to work for nothing anymore in this game it's handed to you like candy. But, I have since been calling this game Candyland so I guess it truely fits now.
Chocobo1
Chocobo1
Desert Nomad
#16
I found a gold R9 White Reaver the other week and was so excited, I love that skin and it was R9! I Id it and it has 14^While Hexed. Needless to say, Proph crushed my dreams once again .

But yeah, I liked it when IDing an item was exciting. Inscriptions killed a fair bit of the fun for me with the whole 'every weapon is the same' idea going on.
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Wish Swiftdeath
Desert Nomad
#17
Without inscriptions i'd never be able to fork out the 1923189238 ecto that I would need to equip my PvE chars for PvP.

That alone = inscriptions ftw
zwei2stein
zwei2stein
Grotto Attendant
#18
Ability to get 15/-1 health degen weapons (WTB one!), dual modded offhands/shields, armor vs foes, shields with non-att +1/20%, some actually usefull two-att staves > generic inscription stuff.

But ability to toy with mods on inscribable items is, of course, awesome.

In the end, i would like half of drops to be uninscripable and half inscripable in all campaigns.
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Wish Swiftdeath
Desert Nomad
#19
In the end i think it's fine.

We got the weird/unique stuff from proph and factions. If we need cheap items with good stats we can get it from NF.

Sure as hell beats getting an eternal blade/obby edge and then realising it's uninscribable +19 while hexed crap.
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Imaginos
Jungle Guide
#20
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Originally Posted by Black Metal View Post
considering there are one hundred and one ways to get custom-modded r9 weapons in NF and EOTN (and z-chest), I like the higher stakes situation in Proph and Factions. When I got that gold r9 15^50 Zod sword farming the beginning of Urgoz before it got nerfed, that was such an awesome moment. Much more awesome than merching max gold r9 Greater Sage Blades from raptor farming because they are completely worthless due to saturation.

Imaginos: 20% Forget me nots do indeed go for about 20k, and yes they really are that rare. I've sold a couple for that, and seen others offering that much when I wasn't selling.
Thanks for the info, I'll keep an eye out for perfect forget me nots from now on.

While I do understand the thrill of getting a very rare drop, I usually don't get them so really enjoy the ability to tweak my items to what I want to use.

I think greater sage blades are so saturated not because they drop from everything but because the broodmother is farmed 24/7 by everyone and their sister. If the broodmother was still an easy farm and dropped ectos you'd see their price bottom out too due to how amazingly farmable broodmother is.