The ancient dragons are to be large, yes I understand that. Drakkar is only about the size of sifhalla or an outpost Icon on a map.
The dragon in the Charr homelands is gargantuan. I have to believe that it is simply a strange mountain range with a dragon beneath, or else this thing will be almost as big as a zone. That's far too much in my opinion. Primordious (spelling-ish) is the leader and is far smaller than those mountains.
Dragon of the Charr homelands...too big
Obrien Xp
Free Runner
Its overexaggeration. Most of the Dragons will have changed sizes in GW2. But it is indeed just the dragon, not a mountain or cliff or anything. If you look closely you can even make out scales on its skin. And Primordus isnt the leader, at least it hasnt been said so yet. As far as we know they are acting independently - Primordus just happened to be the first one to wake up.
paddymew
Primordus means first, and it is implied that he is their leader. Leader does not equal size though.
Obrien Xp
I would have to agree with that Paddymew, dragons seem to have a social structure, far from the beasts that they are portrayed as in other fantasy.
Killerminds
[quote]dragons seem to have a highly developed social structure[quote]
Elaborate please. I dont think someone appointed as a leader creates a "highly developed social structure", in fact its quite primitive.
Elaborate please. I dont think someone appointed as a leader creates a "highly developed social structure", in fact its quite primitive.
Xenomortis
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Primordus means first, and it is implied that he is their leader. Leader does not equal size though.
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Ordo = Order
The name primordus would logically imply the first in an order or series. Not necessarily a leader, but I can understand that conjecture.
Obrien Xp
Having a leader means that they are organized and far more dangerous. I suppose I should have said a social structure. Highly dangerous with a brain is more like it.
Daisuko
I'd say they're NOT working together... as if they were, they'd all be in the same place, and work together to destroy everything. Instead, they just take control of their respective areas, and divide the land as they see fit.
Cursed One
I dont think they are actually banded together, rather they respect each other and wouldnt interfere with what the others are doing, but wouldnt help the others if they are in trouble either
Free Runner
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Originally Posted by paddymew
Primordus means first, and it is implied that he is their leader. Leader does not equal size though.
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Konig Des Todes
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Primordus means first, and it is implied that he is their leader. Leader does not equal size though.
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I would have to agree with that Paddymew, dragons seem to have a social structure, far from the beasts that they are portrayed as in other fantasy.
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Having a leader means that they are organized and far more dangerous. I suppose I should have said a social structure. Highly dangerous with a brain is more like it.
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And, for what we know, there is no leader.
They seem to me to be all independant actors, creating their own land and "leading" their minions that they create/twist into their service. The only social structure would be that they have some sort of mind (assuming they act like the Great Destroyer with the Destroyers). But that's nothing more than any ol' territorial creature adding limbs to itself. Not much of a social system or structure if they are the only real ones in the society.
The 8th
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I'd say they're NOT working together... as if they were, they'd all be in the same place, and work together to destroy everything. Instead, they just take control of their respective areas, and divide the land as they see fit.
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As far as the big'uns size, I always just assumed they scaled it wrong and just kept quiet so people would think it's intentional. If I was them, that's what I'd do. >.>
Neo Atomisk
If Grothmar is as big in GW2 as he is in GW, we're in for a hell of a boss battle. ~_~
That sounds like a great explanation for why they're spaced apart. From what I can imagine, monsters with the size or power of Dragons would want to be masters of their domains, with no one to challenge their rule.
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draxynnic
It also explains some of the long migrations - if a dragon waking up finds it's too close to one of the others, it might decide to, say, fly off and see if that nice-looking desert down south had been claimed...
Free Runner
The thing most interesting about them is that if they are not working together (which i personally think is so) then why exactly did they wake up one after the other? does one waking up trigger all the others? or was Primordus attempting to get a headstart on some territorial control?.
One thing to note is that if they did work together there would be no Tyria. I've said this before but 5-6 dragons that rival the gods in power, have armies, a thrist for destruction with no caring or mercy to any of the lower races....working together........thats just to big for an antagonist. And Tyria wouldnt be able to house that much destruction.
One thing to note is that if they did work together there would be no Tyria. I've said this before but 5-6 dragons that rival the gods in power, have armies, a thrist for destruction with no caring or mercy to any of the lower races....working together........thats just to big for an antagonist. And Tyria wouldnt be able to house that much destruction.
Trader of Secrets
I wonder how the mission would b like to kill a mountain. Probably have to blow it up from the inside.
Obrien Xp
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The thing most interesting about them is that if they are not working together (which i personally think is so) then why exactly did they wake up one after the other? does one waking up trigger all the others? or was Primordus attempting to get a headstart on some territorial control?.
One thing to note is that if they did work together there would be no Tyria. I've said this before but 5-6 dragons that rival the gods in power, have armies, a thrist for destruction with no caring or mercy to any of the lower races....working together........thats just to big for an antagonist. And Tyria wouldnt be able to house that much destruction. |
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I wonder how the mission would b like to kill a mountain. Probably have to blow it up from the inside.
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draxynnic
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The thing most interesting about them is that if they are not working together (which i personally think is so) then why exactly did they wake up one after the other? does one waking up trigger all the others? or was Primordus attempting to get a headstart on some territorial control?.
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Neo Atomisk
Which makes me wonder, why are they waking up, and WHY did they go to sleep in the first place? was it because they felt that their job was done, similar to the five?
Archress Shayleigh
Drakkar is the size of almost all the freaking lake... The Charr Dragon isn't that much bigger.
Obrien Xp
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Drakkar is the size of almost all the freaking lake... The Charr Dragon isn't that much bigger.
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I have the theme song for the dragons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjxwF1CQ-4
Thundergods by Sabaton
BenjZee
In this land we have defended from all things dark and cruel. Now we are defenseless in a land where dragons rule.
Pitty innit
Pitty innit
draxynnic
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Which makes me wonder, why are they waking up, and WHY did they go to sleep in the first place? was it because they felt that their job was done, similar to the five?
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Obrien Xp
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Maybe they were put to sleep, maybe they ate all the available food (the Giganticus Lupus?) and hibernated to allow stocks to recover, or maybe it's just in their biology to hibernate for thousands of years.
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Neo Atomisk
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I assume that the gods overpowered them and forced them to sleep, after the gods left, it was only a matter of time.
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BRACING FOR EPIC!!
...oh wait they'll just give us blessings >_<
draxynnic
Which everyone will proceed to mock, thinking that those blessings did nothing because they have no mechanical effect displayed, when in fact the final mission design was made assuming you had those blessings because, well, if you DIDN'T have them you wouldn't have a chance.
(Really need to finish that study on the gods when I've finished my thesis.)
(Really need to finish that study on the gods when I've finished my thesis.)
Konig Des Todes
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Which everyone will proceed to mock, thinking that those blessings did nothing because they have no mechanical effect displayed, when in fact the final mission design was made assuming you had those blessings because, well, if you DIDN'T have them you wouldn't have a chance.
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Although I once believed that the Ancient Dragons were once a "former generation" of gods, I have to say that now I find all Ancient Dragon/God theories ridiculous. Don't know why though...
Free Runner
The Dragon/God theory isnt really that ridiculous when you think about it. When you step back and look at everything it actually looks possible.
The fact they have been there for hundreds of thousands of years, have power that can rival our current gods and that our gods just ignored the fact they were there when creating Tyria (i very much doubt you could miss them). Put that with the gods attempts at cover ups (Abaddon) and the fact we know that some of them had gods come before them.......still plausable. But i hope Anet dont take that road with them - i would prefer something different than "Oh they were the first set of gods".
The fact they have been there for hundreds of thousands of years, have power that can rival our current gods and that our gods just ignored the fact they were there when creating Tyria (i very much doubt you could miss them). Put that with the gods attempts at cover ups (Abaddon) and the fact we know that some of them had gods come before them.......still plausable. But i hope Anet dont take that road with them - i would prefer something different than "Oh they were the first set of gods".
Konig Des Todes
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The Dragon/God theory isnt really that ridiculous when you think about it. When you step back and look at everything it actually looks possible.
The fact they have been there for hundreds of thousands of years, have power that can rival our current gods and that our gods just ignored the fact they were there when creating Tyria (i very much doubt you could miss them). Put that with the gods attempts at cover ups (Abaddon) and the fact we know that some of them had gods come before them.......still plausable. But i hope Anet dont take that road with them - i would prefer something different than "Oh they were the first set of gods". |
Obrien Xp
I feel that there was no succession, I think that it was much the same as the Great Destroyer and the Great Dwarf. One beat the other and the loser was forced to imprisonment and sleep.
draxynnic
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But the only way we know of how gods are made, are by killing the previous god and taking their energy. If the Ancient Dragons are still alive, how were they succeeded?
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However, I think it's more likely that they co-existed (peacefully or otherwise) at one point - Melandru is believed to have contributed to the creation of the world, after all. It is possible, however, that some of the gods did gain their power off one of the dragons...
...wouldn't it be ironic if it turned out that the Undead Dragon was named Dhuum?
Konig Des Todes
That would be ironic. And I think a more logical theory with the Dragons/ Gods would be that those who became gods killed and absorbed the power of the Ancient Dragons' Generals. We know Duncan was after the Great Destroyers' powers after it got killed, so the power of the generals of the Ancient Dragons could be absorbed and, at least, make a demi-god. Though I don't agree with that theory either. I'd rather think that the Ancient Dragons are actually the last remaining Giganticus Lupicus. No one ever said the GL all looked the same, in fact, we know there were at least two, why not more?
And yes, there may be other ways, but until the "other ways" are at least hinted at, I'm going to avoid them. For now at least.
And yes, there may be other ways, but until the "other ways" are at least hinted at, I'm going to avoid them. For now at least.
Free Runner
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But the only way we know of how gods are made, are by killing the previous god and taking their energy. If the Ancient Dragons are still alive, how were they succeeded?
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MBTW
hmm... well they could of just ripped him into small parts and fed them to rabid harpies. Somewhere i read that dragons like Glint and Kuanavg (sp?) are supposedly stronger, but my monk with 58% DP in HM beat glint alone...?
It would make sense if Primodius rose first because, based on the theory the were resting after an epic god-dragon battle or something cool, the smaller ones would wake up first because they need to restore less energy... and the massive dragons like the Char and *possible* KC dragon would need more time to rest seeing as thought they are much larger...
Another thought,
Could it be possible that Primordius and Drakkar are small, yet more cunning and/or quicker where as the Char and *possible* KC dragon are larger, less intelligent and/or slower?
Or Perhaps Drakkar and Primordius are runts... that'd be a fail.
It would make sense if Primodius rose first because, based on the theory the were resting after an epic god-dragon battle or something cool, the smaller ones would wake up first because they need to restore less energy... and the massive dragons like the Char and *possible* KC dragon would need more time to rest seeing as thought they are much larger...
Another thought,
Could it be possible that Primordius and Drakkar are small, yet more cunning and/or quicker where as the Char and *possible* KC dragon are larger, less intelligent and/or slower?
Or Perhaps Drakkar and Primordius are runts... that'd be a fail.
Obrien Xp
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hmm... well they could of just ripped him into small parts and fed them to rabid harpies. Somewhere i read that dragons like Glint and Kuanavg (sp?) are supposedly stronger, but my monk with 58% DP in HM beat glint alone...?
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Konig Des Todes
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Somewhere i read that dragons like Glint and Kuanavg (sp?) are supposedly stronger, but my monk with 58% DP in HM beat glint alone...?
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*possible* KC dragon
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How can you people think that those two Lighthouses are Dragons??? It's... it's just... crazy talk. They are lighthouses! Nothing more, nothing less! X_X_X_X_X_X_X_X_X_X
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Maybe both.
Keep in mind that "Drakkar" is underneath the ground and thus is bigger than what we directly see *and thus the map image makes him smaller as he is farther from the viewer.
Also, keep in mind that we only see the front of Primordus. And only the front. His wings *if that is what they are* go into the rock, and we do not see how long he is. At least, I think on this one, been too long since I did that mission and GWW doesn't have an in-game pic of him...
Obrien Xp
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Also, keep in mind that we only see the front of Primordus. And only the front. His wings *if that is what they are* go into the rock, and we do not see how long he is. At least, I think on this one, been too long since I did that mission and GWW doesn't have an in-game pic of him...
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The baby glint has a massive wingspan however, its body is small and shaped like an Iguana or dune lizard. The wings fold back. Glint doesn't have such a muscular neck as primordious, though it could be the fact that she's female.
Just to through it out, any thought on seeing as Glint is female and made of crystal like primordious, we assume he is male.
Mates? (like a husband gone bad millenia ago)
MBTW
its not soley the light house, its the dragon-looking crap in KC. ill take some pics and post a visual compairison of Drakkar-Char Dragon
Obrien Xp
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its not soley the light house, its the dragon-looking crap in KC. ill take some pics and post a visual compairison of Drakkar-Char Dragon
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MBTW
not decorations, the scaly lumps. will post pics