Build discrimination.

And as in life, I presume you aren't being holier-than-thou on a regular basis?

Same ideology goes online.

Did i really just read that you took along Mending and didn't expect to get kicked out for being a moron? And then you came here to complain that you can't run anything you want? Theres experimenting and theres moronic, taking Mending is the latter.

Ok lets get 1 thing straight here. People who can't make their own builds and use "cookie cutter builds" and then insist on you to follow suit aren't the exact people I'm talking about and YES I agree with you about them.

But aside from the cookie cutter newbs, there are in fact people out there with good builds in their team setup. Which brings me back to my original point. If you want to experiment with THESE people you don't belong. If the leader asks you to run a build. You do it! No questions asked. It's their team setup not yours. You joined THEIR team. If all else fails LEAVE or someone will make it happen for you. They made the team so they dictate the rules. You don't join a team and expect to run the show.

I always treat elitism and people who are unnecessarily offensive, the same way, here, or in real life.

Why do you want to defend people who like to name-call? That's a better question

Strangely enough, I'm not disagreeing with you. There ARE two issues here.

1. Cookie cutter builds and people who insist on using them are fine, as long as they don't insult me for NOT using them.

2. I'm a pretty good player. I may not be the best, but usually, in group situations, people have been impressed by me. Doesn't mean I'm leet. It means I'm at least competent, and occasionally I border on inspired.

I guess my real beef is how people say things and why they do it. And I am tired of people assuming that cookie cutter builds are the best.

The sabway build is a good example. It's a good build, no question about it. I've tried it and it works. That said, it's also an old build. When it was created, the hero AI was weaker in a lot of ways. The creator chose the skills he chose, because for those skills, hero AI was better than for a lot of other skills. It meant you didn't have to worry about hero skill bars, you could pretty much just concentrate on your own.

A couple of years in the future, and a lot of the AI skills for heroes has been updated and improved. There are other, and perhaps even better, options than sabway. Which doesn't mean people don't still use it and rave about it.

Just as people still rave about 55 monks, or 130 dervishes. Or perma sins.

Gimmick builds have their place. People who insist I use a gimmick build have their place. People who insult me for NOT using a specific build, that's the people I have no time for.

There's a lot of misquoting during the last little bit.

@Lux - you were talking to the OP right? It looks like you're agreeing with me and at the same time it feels like you aren't.

@Lord of Kaoz - you quoted me, not Zinger

Anyways all good. Just wanted to make sure things were in good order so readers don't get confused.

Sorry byte...I'm new to the forums, and I wasn't awake yet. I'll try to be more careful.

So let me get this straight. You were running a warrior, who did nothing remotely close to what a warrior is supposed to do (tear shit up), but were instead running a mending+feel no pain+several other self-defense skills, and you're surprised you got kicked out?

Experimenting is fine, but a good player will be able to look at a bar and see if it works. Considering your bar was at least half self-protection which is selfish and useless, especially in HM, it's very logical they kicked you. That's not to say it won't work, because frankly everything works almost everywhere. It's just decidedly sub-par. There are some certain ground rules a build must adhere to if it wants to be good, and for a warrior the most important of those is the following: "Needs to kill shit and/or do efficient crowd-control". Which yours obviously doesn't.

In PVP its important to have a balanced team so build is very important and your team needs to know what everyone is running.


pve is different for a start unless your build is really and I mean really bad and or your going into a tough area then it doesn't really matter.
Bad tactics make you fail far mor often than bad builds.

Don't get me wrong I am all for team spirit and will happily ping builds and discuss tactics, if I am asked, I emphasise asked not told ordered or its demanded.

Good party
Just wondered what your build was, I'm running **** we have a monk doing *** and a necro with **** etc is fine by me I'm feeling at home already.
I will even suggest things myself to check we make things easy for ourselves.

Bad party
ping ur build

now I am defensive because even though I have played since the start and already been through the current mission/area several dozen times.
I know what's next ping any build that isn't the current golden build for the class and its "noob"
Refuse and its "noob" and your cut off and probably outed all through the area as a noob.
This wouldn't bother me but it messes with my ability to get on another party in that area.

So I do what most do run with my guild and alliance members or use heroes.
Happy in the knowledge that the party that dumped me will be there for hours failing at the mission and convinced its someone elses fault.

Refusing to ping your build gets you kicked if i'm leading. Running something Experimental? Whatever, if its NM i probably don't care, just aslong as i can actually see the logic in it. Running something terrible, you change or leave. If you refuse to show the team what your using then i can only assume its because you know it sucks. Wtf should i tell you what WE are using for? I want to know what YOU are using, if it fits in with what WE are using then i can tell you what WE are using.

Its a pug, there are certain things you should expect, 1 of those is pinging your build without someone having to type an essay to get you to do it.

And 1 more thing. People who ping 1 build and use a completely different 1 are even bigger dicks than those who insist you run something from the wiki. "Why isn't that boss being dazed, your suppose to be a BHA" "no sorry i pinged that but i ran my epic Poison Arrow build"

This is the right attitude. People who always want to run Cookie cutter builds are doomed to a meh exixtance.

OP: If you run a bad build, you are wasting (usually) seven other people's time.

Someone with a good build could do your job faster. Because they could do your job faster, the run would go faster.

This is why people rip you apart for running a bad build. You are unilaterally imposing a cost on them, and you don't realize it. In other words, you are being a selfish jerk and you have earned every bit of the abuse that is heaped upon you.

Other posters are correct that a good team recognizes that there is more than one build that will work well for any given area. However, if your build is just plain bad (and yours was), both good teams and bad teams will kick you for wanting to run it.

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Sry for dbl post. lost connect and came back to this

i stopped reading after i saw mending.

but really, i dont mind origional builds as long as they work.

1. Most people who PUG have set out with the goal to finish the mission/quest, on the first try, quickly if possible. Your experimental builds don't fit in with that goal. It's no surprise they kicked you.

2.
Experimentation is not the way you make good builds. At least not the sort of "experimentation" you're involved in. There are millions of possible build combinations out there, and the overwhelming majority of them are awful. The odds of stumbling onto anything good through "experimentation" are tiny. Goods builds come from working on deepening one's understanding of game mechanics, meditating on them, and then testing and tweaking what should already be a well-thought-out build long before a single skill hits the bar.

No but seriously, Trying out new builds is perfectly fine. Thats why we have heroes and henchies. So we can do our own thing without bothering anyone else. You know how easily bothered gamers are in general. Overly sensitive and dramatic not to meantion hyper anal about how THEY play and enjoy the game.

That said, when you run a build in a team, it has to benefit the team. Running a self sustaining warrior is ok and can help the monk out. I do the same although I do not use mending or any kind of heal.

I use "Mending Touch" I believe its called, which removed two conditions and heals me for X.
Which no one complains about because it saves the monk energy and in pvp its not very easy to bring me down with conditions. Also locking in conditions with other conditions doesn't work on me unless I'm fighting 2vme and both are spamming conditions. Plus I'v been slain before due to neglectful monks to busy healing the ele's. Then I would die and we would get a party wipe.

Now I'm normally the very last person in a group to die, both in pve and pvp (until the other team catches on and mugs my ass. lol.)

Warriors deal damage, thats what they are made for. They can give as good as they get and thats what you should focus on while in a group. Mending just gets in the way and doesn't benefit the warrior at all.

Hexes and being set on fire defeat mending every single time. Consistant damage defeats mending every time, regardless of max life. Spiking defeats mending every time. Its just not worth it to use mending as a heal. The only thing mending counters is a weak poision condition, and thats rare as people who use poison try to buff it up.

Now, I'm all for finding a build that makes mending good. Mending has the potential to be a benefit to tanking, but you would need a way to increase the life regen greatly. But since tanking is pretty much unneeded in most areas and there are far better ways to tank than trying to regen life quickly, its pointless to bring mending. You'd be better off finding a build for Obsidian Armor or Mist Form or something like that. Endure pain is better than mending.

Anyways. The best thing to do is either (A) find a build you like that others won't hate or (B) find a well known build that you can enjoy.

My axe warrior build is pretty much what I have ran since I started playing guildwars. All energy as I do not like adren much for axes. Over time I'v found the newer skills to be of great help to me. Before wars endurance, energy builds were a pain. Now they are easy.

Power attack, Counter attack, furious axe, executioners strike, warriors endurance, endure pain, mending touch and either rez sig/ rebirth(for heroes) or Lions comfort. (recently traded executioners strike for brawling headbutt for more damage and knockdown)

Is it the best spiker build? Probably not, but it is damn good with healing support. I can do most HM areas with just a monk healing me.


Point is, you have four options. 1.Play whatever you want with heroes and not worry about other players stressing. 2.Play whatever you want in groups and take the chance of them hating it and kicking you. 3.Play whatever the group wants and risk not having fun. 4.Find the middle ground and find a build that people accept that is fun for you.


Also, I welcome the day someone finds the perfect metabuild using mending and everyone says exactly what I opened with. "ZOMG! Mending is teh godlies!" That would give me endless lol's.

Alright, lemme get this straight. You are wasting 2 slots, one of which is a pve skill slot, -1 energy degenaration, and some alcohol for +6 health regeneration. You gotta break it down. All of that for 12 health per second. If you want heals that bad, bring Lions Comfort (even though i dont reccomend it). Itl heal for about 100 for no energy cost and with also give a nice adrenaline boost. No offence, but if you were in my team, you would be kicked too.

I mean, I test my own bulids just like everyone else. I just dont bring people down with me. Like, just yesterday i tried some hundred blades never rampage alone beast master build(which sucked by the way), but i did it with henchmen.

Let's just hope you're as smart as the person who made the build in the first place. Or have the same experience.

I don't always want to ping builds, because of bad reactions I've gotten from people who don't have a clue. You may be the greatest thing to happen to GW since sliced bread, but that's you. Unfortunately, you don't have a degree in GW and no one knows who is leading what party. So if you're a great and wonderful party leader, you're one in fifty, one in a hundred. I don't actually gear my responses to the minority, because they are the minority.

I do agree about pinging another build, I think that's crass. But if you're good, the last thing you can afford to believe is that everyone is going to be as good as you.

I've had aparty leader tell me to swap out one skill, from a build that worked perfectly fine UNTIL you swap out that skill. You can't change one skill in some builds and expect them to hold together. So I changed one skill, because he was the party leader and surprise, we failed. I then went back in with my original build and did just fine.

Again, I don't know anything about "you" but I know that I'm talented enough at building, not to have to justify myself to some guy who wouldn't know a good build if it bit him on the ankle.

The problem is, being a party leader doesn't insure you're as skilled as the people in the party. And of course, that can mean the party leader is wasting everyone's time as well.

The thing your forgetting is, the more defensive skills you take, the less damage you do, the longer time you take, the less time the other people have to do something else, blah blah blah. its an endless cycle, so just bring a viable build, and people wont complain. thats if your in a TEAM, if your NOT, then being HERO's so you can waste your own time with the healing hand mending build.

The best defense in the world won't help if your party has died around you and you can't kill the enemy.

In more general terms: Experimentation is something you should do on your own time. If it proves effective, then you can start bringing it into other people's time, but then you'd better be prepared to defend it - not just that it's effective, but that it's effective in doing what the party wants you to do.

Ultimately, there's a certain amount of give and take in all this. The party that kicks you for pinging the wrong build without even telling you what they want is obviously in the wrong - but so is expecting a party to take you regardless of your build when they're looking for something specific (one of the things that's been annoying me in zquests is the number of monks insisting on running RoJ). There is a medium, however, in which builds don't necessarily have to be ripped from PvX but can still be reasonably expected to be effective... and sometimes this does involve communication both ways. There have been times I've seen someone's bar and questioned why they're using X instead of Y, and there have been times when I've shown mine and been asked to swap things out, and had to explain why I was, say, using AP instead of Mindbender as my skill recharger. Most times I've brought people around, but you know what? Sometimes I'm the one that learns something.

you are a hoot :P. Post some of your builds and we'll be the judge of your supposed genius.

I wont' post a build, for many many reasons. Some of the same reasons I don't share builds. Posting a build, may lead to people using that build, which might lead to people exploiting what I consider to be a balanced build somehow, which might lead to a nerf. I take a of pride in my builds. Want to test me, meet me in game and let's play.

Because frankly, I offer my builds to a few close friends, end of.

omg so true.

A theoretical build...

I have a build that's a lot of fun, that I like a lot. Without going into the specifics of my build, let me give you the theory behind it. Then you can play with that yourself

My best archer is a sin. A sin/ranger. This is how it works.

Most of my attribute points are in critical hits and marksmanship. The idea is to crit as much and as often as possible, but with a bow, not daggers.

The only skill in this build I consider a must have is the ranger preparation disrupting accuracy. Every time you crit, it also interupts.

You can get your crit to over 50% of the time, increase your fire speed with certain skills and do more damage when critting with certain skills.

Feel free to bring a poison tip signet, (not apply poison, since you'll always be maintaining disrupting accuracy).

Some of the skills you might "think" are dagger only, such as sharp blades, work well with other weapons.

Imagine an archer, that spams conditions, crits frequently, and interrupts almost constantly. Note the same can be done with a warrior, except that the interupt angle is gone, but a sin/warrior that crits a lot is still a lot of fun to play.

This is the type of thing I do. I get a theory and then expound on it. Test it. Record the damage I do against certain types of opponents, make a change and record the damage again. Make a change and record the damage again.

I will run the same area, six or seven times, with very slight variations on builds, just to see if I can improve my time, my average damage, or ease of play.

Mind you, my builds are often also intertwined with the builds of my heroes, so I'm often building for four.

Get this through your head: you are not a unique snowflake. Also, if you really think that people playing a build is what gets skills nerfed, you're not paying attention.

I don't care if you think I'm unique or not. It's my choice to share builds, or not share them. As for unique, everyone is unique, in some way. Deal with it. Snowflakes all look like snowflakes, but they are "supposedly" all different. Humans may sometimes look and act the same, but in the end, we are all individuals.

That said, you don't know me. You know nothing about me, except for a few words I've posted to a forum. If you don't like what I have to say, that's fine. But saying I'm not unique is pointless, not to mention untrue.

Finally, on builds. A single build doesn't get a skill nerfed. An exploitation of a successful build can. I enjoy using the skills I use, I choose NOT to share them with anyone but friends, and if that bothers you, then it sucks to be you.

I happen to think I'm reasonably intelligent. I happen to think "most" of the gaming world isn't. I'm not claiming on the smartest guy in the universe and if you bothered read what I said about myself earlier, I didn't claim to be the best GW player, so what is your problem?

I have a talent for builds, in the way an idiot savant might be able to count cards. I'm proud of that talent. Why would you have a problem with that?

People had yers to experiment with them and found out that, yes, they suck.

Mending is SIGN of someone who has no clue what he is doing.
Charge is okay skill but party wide speed boosts matter only when you transcend to "lets see how fast we can do this" stage.
Mark of Protection disables your own skills and has horrible recharge, and is elite. Any other prot skill is superior.
toxic chill deal armor affected damage and some poor degen. Its not really bad, but for elite, single target armor affected damage on 5 second recharge is low below necro standarts

You got called out because you ran tank-like bar with tanking elite (bad one btw) That is bad and what got people anoyed

Seriously, you wasted two skill slots on health regen (will not your ass in hm) and health boost (nice, but frankly, you could use your PvE slot for much better thing)

Those things are called selfish defences - they only help yourself.

Indeed.

However, you should realize that you tend to run bars with selfish defences. And tank like bar. Which equals to wasted party slot.

As such, you will get called out often.

Here is better idea: ping what you want/like to run and leave party if they don't like it.

That beats being selfish asshole.

I had to make an account for this thread because...holy crap.

As for the dude with the critical bowasin...it's been done before...over, and over, and over, and is even a build on the wiki. Or at least at one point. So really, stop thinking you are the master of innovation. It's been done before, probably before you even had an assassin.

As for OP, I'm sorry, but your builds are terrible. There is no "clever" use of Mending on a Warrior. There's no "clever" use of many of the skills in the game. Sure, you might "enjoy" the build, which is GREAT...but other people usually don't share the enthusiasm when they finally find a monk for a mission, and he wants to be a melee Mo/R because he thinks the build is clever.

Don't get me wrong, if someone is PuGing for missions or quests, chances are that they are actually terrible at the game themselves, therefore need everyone running the optimal build to even have a chance at finishing said mission/quest. Why would they sit there for an hour spamming for more people, just to take a build that is likely subpar, and won't help them anymore than a hero/hench would?

Basically, learn to play with heroes and hench. Put your "creative" builds on your heroes, and use the "creative" builds on yourself. If you repeatedly fail...your build isn't nearly as great as you may have thought it was. If you finish the mission/quest/campaign, then does it really matter if people tell you to go RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO a goat when you ping your build?

Edit:
I also mostly run non-cookiecutter builds. However, I'm not arrogant enough to think that they are better than the "meta". If I enjoy the current meta, I will run it. If I don't enjoy it, I'll make another build that may not be as good, but may be more enjoyable, and play it.

Edit2:
And yes, I've completed every campaign on every profession, and most of hardmode on a lot of them. I build my heroes to complement my build that is subpar on it's own. However, you cannot honestly expect random groups to adjust their builds to complement your "clever" build.

[QUOTE=Yelling @ Cats;4697143]I had to make an account for this thread because...holy crap.

As for the dude with the critical bowasin...it's been done before...over, and over, and over, and is even a build on the wiki. Or at least at one point. So really, stop thinking you are the master of innovation. It's been done before, probably before you even had an assassin. </quote>

But since I don't LOOK at those sites, and I create my own builds, what is your point? lmao

I don't like taking other people's builds. I make my own. If the logic I use leads to the logic that other people have used in the past, so?

You seem to think that I said I'm the greatest thing since sliced bread. What I've said is, I make my own builds and they're mine. If someone else has made the same or a similar build, more power to them.

But I take pride in making the builds I make and enjoying that. I don't LIKE build discrimination, because though my builds DO work, some idiots don't like them, even though they have never tried them. So I don't do pugs, which isn't a problem for me.

However, those of you who are used to using other people's builds, it's not surprising you'll find duplication. However, since I haven't shared my build, you simply can't compare it. Does that bother you for some reason?

Actually, those of you who have a problem with someone taking pride in doing something on their own, too bad. I'll continue to have pride.

And if you're perfectly happy to take stuff other people made and use it, more power to you.

It's funny, but I'm a writer and I know there are about twelve types of stories, but there are hundreds of thousands of books. Someone, at some point, might have told the same story. Ummmm, so? lol

There is nothing wrong with pride. You should try it yourself some time.

For a writer...you sure contradict yourself a lot. Sometimes you are arguing that you take pride, and don't care what other people think, then you go on to insult and complain about other people who don't think your build is amazing.

As I said, people in PuGs are terrible at the game, and I'm not really sure why people get so offended when they tell you a build that works, doesn't. "Build Discrimination" is a joke in and of itself really. People who DO understand the game, and can think about builds on a critical level, will probably accept a slightly subpar build. People who do not understand builds, and just run whatever they hear is the flavor of the month, and kick anything else...do you really want to play with those people to begin with?

So you are either accepted by a average to above average group (remember, people who PuG are generally terrible at the game, so these groups will be rare as hell), or you get kicked out of a terrible group.

Then you have absolutely stupid builds that have little thought put into them. Like Mending Warriors, Rangers with 3 preps and barrage, monks without an elite and a spread of smiting/healing/protection, Elementalists with 5 spells that cause exhaustion, aura of resto, healing breeze, and a conjure. You can't honestly expect anyone to play along with those builds...they don't make sense, they are terrible, and they are a pretty damn good indication that the person has no clue of what they are doing.

Maybe YOUR builds make sense Kaoz, your crit barrage sin makes sense, and would likely be accepted into a lot of groups (aside from the ASN stigma, and again, most groups being terrible so needing a "perfect" team build). There's a difference between below average to average builds that make sense and are fun, and builds that are just absolutely pants on head retarded (read: mending warriors).

I think you just invented a variant of the critical barrager that has been around for ages... or I missed something.

Edit For Khyr Lord of Kaoz (Below). Yes, I did realize that your build doesn't use Barrage, that would defeat the purpose of using a prep... but the idea of your build probably started with the well known Critical Barrager build, and yes Disrupting accuracy variants of it (such as you build would appear to be) are old news. But please, criticize me for not knowing the intimate details of a build you're unwilling to post... one can hardly do naught but speculate on the supposed build if you're unwilling to post it.

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:A/R_Sharpened_Accuracy
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:A/R_Critical_Barrager

Just for reference, some old, no longer favored builds...

I don't know what's been around for ages, which is my point. I make my own builds, which generally means I don't research others.

Not all builds, however, are equal. To day a crit barrager, is NOT my build, because barrage wouldn't allow you to use a preparation, which is required in my version of this build.

Disrupting accuracy, as I said, is the only skill I consider must have. That means each time you crit, you interupt. Barrage is incompatible with it. If you spam barrage, you lose your preparation.

It's one thing for me to post a build and say, here it is, and you to say it's been around, and it's another for me NOT to, and just ask people to be creative about it.

However, since I don't look at other people's builds as a regular matter of form, I have no idea if it's been around or not. And if someone hadn't asked me to share a build, I wouldn't have posted it to the list even in this form. Someone said, I'm a hoot and show me some of the builds, I declined and someone got snotty. So I showed the theory I used to make a build, not the build itself.

Unless you're psychic, I don't think you know if my build is different or not.

As for someone saying I'm contradicting myself, I'm probably saying opposite things to different remarks. Though I don't care what people think, I also choose to defend myself, not because I'm upset or angry, but for the benefit of others who might take heart from seeing someone defending is right to have pride, without becoming offensive in the process.

There's a difference in "pride" and "arrogant stubbornness".

Toting that your build is the best thing going, that everyone else is running subpar builds, and people are assholes for not accepting your obviously superior build kind of falls into the "arrogant stubbornness" category moreso than the pride category.

It's one thing to say "My build works fairly well, I enjoy it, but other builds may be better", but saying "Cookie-cutter builds are weak, my build is amazing, I made it myself, I won't tell anyone, I don't know what anyone else uses, but my build is superior" is kind of ridiculous.

It doesn't matter if they are the same.

Mending
Is
A
Terrible
Skill

No matter what else you have on your bar, you have a subpar skill that is going to consume half, or more of your energy, while doing next to nothing for you or your team. You would actually be better having an empty skill slot than you would using Mending.

Edit:
Deleted post is deleted?

Show me exactly where I did that. I'm interested.

Deleted? No, just hiding in shame. Mending will do that.

That enough?

Or should I continue quoting where you act like you don't even know what the cookie-cutter builds are?

Right here's the difference in criticism:
"Hmm seems ok, but you might wanna change mending for something else since it doesn't heal much and kinda affects your energy management."
Thumbs up to that type of criticism! Constructive, friendly and doesn't make the critic sound like an idiot.

Here's the other:
"Omg noob! You bringing mending, are you freaking stupid? Change your build or I'm kicking you, noob!"
That's not very constructive is it? Where's the common good behaviour here? You see a complete stranger and the first impression you give of yourself is that you're an asshole times ten.

Oh not elitism? Arborstone on NM and Eldritch Ettin on HM. I did both of those without changing my build with H/H. But I had to have got the worst possible experience from those people simply because they "thought my build couldn't make it".

Besides, random testing in RA and FA? So I should not test my builds on expense of my team... except in these 2 cases. Isn't that kind of double standard? And don't say it's because you don't know who you are ending up with because you don't know in a pug either. In pug you know that people are that profession, have that weapon and that specific build. But you don't know anything about their skills as a player. I mean the whole Slaver's run would be ruined simply because that Permasin, with the completely right setup, forgot to keep up SF, wouldn't it?

/threadwinner IMO

To be fair, someone with Mending on their bar basically screams "I don't know what I'm doing, I didn't read my skills, and I'm just using the skills that I started with".

I mean really, how can someone look at Mending, and look at Vigorous Spirit and think that Mending is the superior choice? I'm not even condoning Warriors with Vigorous Spirit...it's just simple math.

Assuming you have 8 Healing Prayers to get +3 Mending....
Mending will heal 6 health per second, and cost 1 energy every 3 seconds. In 30 seconds, that's 180 health, and 10 energy.

Vigorous Spirit, at 8 Healing Prayers, will heal 13 health every time you attack for 30 seconds.
Swords and Axes attack at every 1.33 seconds, faster if you have IAS, but let's ignore that. 30 divided by 1.33 takes you to about 22 attacks in 30 seconds. Let's be generous and assume you only get in 15. That is still 195 health healed, for 5 energy. HALF the cost of Mending, MORE health healed. At maximum efficiency, it heals for nearly 60% more than Mending.

PvE build discrimination is old, very old.
Specially when joining some kind of farming team.
In Normal Mode you can get away with about every build available, given that the total team is good enough. But that doesn't mean it's efficient, something that's important for farming.

When looking at Hard Mode stuff build discrimination has good reason.
First of all you are PUG, meaning the team doesn't know your competence.
Second, people don't want others to be a burden on the team.
Third, some builds just don't work in HM.

In Guild teams I don't tolerate this kind of discrimination but I expect people to be able to defend their build and explain how it will enhance the team when questions arise. Most guildies are experienced enough to know what works and doesn't work in a team.
And this is where the OP get's in. Take the Eldritch Ettin example.
Sure the build works with H&H. But when looking at the build from a mostly human team perspective it proabably adds very little to the team.
As warrior I would take a far more agressive build and have monks take care of keeping red bars up. You probably have their enchantments on you most of the time and it could even be that other team members bring additional damage enhancing enchantments for you (orders, soh).

Questions would arise, not because I'm against experimenting but because you are a member of a team with human players and should consider this when picking your build.