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Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

Me/

23 Jun 2009 at 20:31 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shursh

Rotting Flesh? really??

can someone please explain to me why a spell that spreads disease to ONE person is 15e with a 3-second cast time??

i mean, i know the disease can spread, but still...in pve things die too quickly for it to matter, and in pvp there are just too many better options.

not to mention unless it's put on a fc mes it seems like interrupt material to me...

Disease actually spreads pretty quickly (quick enough to actually matter) and, although it's not meta anymore, at one time Tainted Flesh Mes heroes were really good defense. Every once in a while (just to fck around), I'll use a FC Taint Mes in PvE. You'd be surprised what it can do.

Stranger The Ranger

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Those Netherlands

Dynasty Warriors [DW]

R/

23 Jun 2009 at 20:32 - 42

"Coward" <-- amazing skill imo

Shatter Hex <-- I lolspiked many people with this @ RA

Necromas

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

23 Jun 2009 at 20:35 - 43

Rotting Flesh is good for low level necros, but then again so are things like taking minion spells with no way to heal them or turn them into bombs, which will get you laughed at in end-game builds.

Gigashadow

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Bellevue, WA

W/

23 Jun 2009 at 20:39 - 44

Strength of Honor (PvE). I know people don't actually think it's a bad skill now, but I think many underestimate how good it actually is.

Olof

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

PURR

N/

23 Jun 2009 at 20:42 - 45

Is necrosis considered underrated? I even echo it sometimes.

Megas XLR

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2009

D/W

23 Jun 2009 at 20:48 - 46

Zealous Vow
Ebon Dust Aura

Krazy Kat

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

The Rejected Sins/The Remaining Sins [SOF]

23 Jun 2009 at 20:51 - 47

Water Trident.

This skill used to be deadly before EoTN came out and introduced Aura of Stability. It's still a great skill, but very underrated as Aura of Stability can only be put on one person at a time.

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

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23 Jun 2009 at 20:51 - 48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olof

Is necrosis considered unerrated? I even echo it sometimes.

No...it's not. Everyone knows it's great.

ValaOfTheFens

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Warrior Nation[WN]

23 Jun 2009 at 21:38 - 49

Virulence. Recently I took the RA bounty but refused to go with my standard(and boring) Corrupt Enchantments build. After consulting Guild Wiki I decided I would make a build based on Virulence. As a Necro its rather easy to layer on conditions but I needed that extra pazazz. Then I remembered Glyph of Immolation and Mark of Rodgort.

Hijinks ensued. Unless a team had 2 Monks their healer died quickly. Of course I only have 60 AC and my HP is only so high. But I died for the lolz so every death was worth it.

Puebert

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Mo/

23 Jun 2009 at 21:53 - 50

Coward. Keeps enemies in RoJ.

Gforce

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Isle Of Solitude

Super Kaon Action Team [SuKa]/[DoDo]

W/

24 Jun 2009 at 00:36 - 51

Scorpion wire!

I played it in byob gvg on a melshot ranger instead of mending touch and it was pretty awesome.

byteme!

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

On Earth

W/P

24 Jun 2009 at 01:11 - 52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Back then

Apparently 90% of monks are complete idiots because none of them seem to carry the single best monk skill in the game... protective spirit.

I don't care if you are a smiter monk, this skill belongs on your bar. Any monk without PS needs to stop playing a monk.

My thoughts exactly. I won't team with any PuG monk in HM unless he takes PS. I don't demand it but if I don't see it I'll just leave the group. I'm not about to pull the weight of 2 monks. All I see are HB bars with ALL HEALS. It blows my mind how these monks think they can out heal HM damage. Wishful thinking.

Still Number One

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2008

W/

24 Jun 2009 at 01:15 - 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gforce

Scorpion wire!

I played it in byob gvg on a melshot ranger instead of mending touch and it was pretty awesome.

I run it on hammer warriors when I guest for lower rank guilds and have the room to goof off a bit. I lost track of the amount of flaggers I have solo'd because of that skill.

Zapper901

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Fire and [ICE]

W/

24 Jun 2009 at 02:46 - 54

Quote:

Originally Posted by byteme!

My thoughts exactly. I won't team with any PuG monk in HM unless he takes PS. I don't demand it but if I don't see it I'll just leave the group. I'm not about to pull the weight of 2 monks. All I see are HB bars with ALL HEALS. It blows my mind how these monks think they can out heal HM damage. Wishful thinking.

This is so true. I Monk quite often and there are WAY to many idiots who just bring heals and then spam them, then complain about their low energy. Seriously, learn to bring prots and manage energy better.

Catchphrase

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2009

24 Jun 2009 at 04:22 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xsiriss

Except it's a completely different skill under a completely different attribute that requires the person to be hit, hence it's udner PROTECTION. If it's recharge times you care about,glimmer has one second, but the main thing is as mentioned it's 1/4 cast time. Seeing as this is PvE throw in divine spirit and you can spam it for 1 energy every second.

The questions is do you use Glimmer of Light on recharge always? LS is also 1/4s cast but counter dazed better since you remove it. People will always hit through LS no matter what and it gives sufficient cushion before your Patient Spirit heals. The only way I see Glimmer outperform LS is under heavy degen hex but it is still inferior in that department compared to other elites out there.

On topic: Technobabble + Extend Conditions

glacialphoenix

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

Singapore

Royal Order of Flying Lemmings [ROFL]

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24 Jun 2009 at 04:34 - 56

Quote:

My thoughts exactly. I won't team with any PuG monk in HM unless he takes PS. I don't demand it but if I don't see it I'll just leave the group. I'm not about to pull the weight of 2 monks. All I see are HB bars with ALL HEALS. It blows my mind how these monks think they can out heal HM damage. Wishful thinking.

I love PS. It's never off my bar. That being said, I've actually had to snap at various PUG groups "If you all insist on balling under massive AoE damage, all the damage mitigation in the world won't save you!" I can't outprot that. --;

Ferminator

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2009

D/

24 Jun 2009 at 04:39 - 57

savannah heat.

echo it and watch those NM mobs drop like rocks.

and about PS, in vanq sometimes i really wish i brought that skill. or i say THANKYOU LIVIA when i take 50 damage from lightning orb.

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

24 Jun 2009 at 04:51 - 58

Glimmer of Light is pretty pants.

If a target is below 50% health, WoH is far better. If a person is above 50% health, Patient Spirit is better.

If you just have Patient Spirit and WoH, or even Life Sheath, you are far more effective as a monk then you would be with Glimmer of Light.

I believe that Shared Burden is underrated.

Hanging Man

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Deep in the Shire

24 Jun 2009 at 04:51 - 59

Accumulated Pain - with two easy spam able hexes makes this a decent DW applier

ZenRgy

Zookeeper

Join Date: Jul 2005

Australian Discussion Posse HQ - Glorious leader

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N/E

24 Jun 2009 at 05:18 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shursh

Rotting Flesh? really??

can someone please explain to me why a spell that spreads disease to ONE person is 15e with a 3-second cast time??

i mean, i know the disease can spread, but still...in pve things die too quickly for it to matter, and in pvp there are just too many better options.

not to mention unless it's put on a fc mes it seems like interrupt material to me...

Active spreading, goes well with Tainted Flesh. 15e is a big cost, but it is not too much considering soul reaping etc.

Also, lolglimmerisbad. If interrupts/daze are such a problem for you, run HB. zzzz

refer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2009

US

24 Jun 2009 at 06:25 - 61

If Glimmer of Light sucks so much maybe they should make it 0 activation time, 0 recharge.

YunSooJin

Pyromaniac

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

24 Jun 2009 at 06:53 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by refer

If Glimmer of Light sucks so much maybe they should make it 0 activation time, 0 recharge.

totally missing the point. it would still suck after the fact, LOL :P

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

24 Jun 2009 at 06:59 - 63

It doesnt suck, it just isnt as useful as other elites.

It is basically an elite orison of healing with about 1.75x the healing, but other elites simply do a far better job.

I would say that Glimmer of Light is on the same level as Shield of Regeneration and Boon Signet. Yes all of them can work and make decent builds, but other elites are still better.

Healing Burst is better then Glimmer, it heals for more and also does a little AoE healing. Im not sure about this, but do the AoE heals from it benefit from divine favor? If not then it should do.

Short

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2009

Protectors of Fate [GoF]

N/Me

24 Jun 2009 at 07:03 - 64

Extinguish. I use it on my MM if he has a free skill lot.

Sword Hammer Axe

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2008

Look up.

Kurzick Conflagration Unit [KCU].

W/

24 Jun 2009 at 07:22 - 65

Every darn skill in game. Even the Meta skills XD

YunSooJin

Pyromaniac

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

24 Jun 2009 at 08:37 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavv

It doesnt suck, it just isnt as useful as other elites.

It is basically an elite orison of healing with about 1.75x the healing, but other elites simply do a far better job.

I would say that Glimmer of Light is on the same level as Shield of Regeneration and Boon Signet. Yes all of them can work and make decent builds, but other elites are still better.

Healing Burst is better then Glimmer, it heals for more and also does a little AoE healing. Im not sure about this, but do the AoE heals from it benefit from divine favor? If not then it should do.

yeah, skills don't suck, they're just bad relative to all the other skills in the game.

edit: SoR can actually save someone.

beatdownbob

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2009

hurr durr

hurr durr forums

24 Jun 2009 at 08:41 - 67

ahhhh.... an extra 30 Satisfaction extracted from pvxwiki.... mmmmmm..... tasty.....

Please though, give me some more paper scissor stone examples of when Glimmer is bad.

Maybe you would say Orison is better because Arcane Thievery has just randomly hit your Glimmer of Light, therefore Glimmer sucks, those types of conditional justifications are at there very best, obvious and obviously pointless, and at worst, +10 satisfaction for me.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

24 Jun 2009 at 08:53 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by beatdownbob

ahhhh.... an extra 30 Satisfaction extracted from pvxwiki.... mmmmmm..... tasty.....

Please though, give me some more paper scissor stone examples of when Glimmer is bad.

Maybe you would say Orison is better because Arcane Thievery has just randomly hit your Glimmer of Light, therefore Glimmer sucks, those types of conditional justifications are at there very best, obvious and obviously pointless, and at worst, +10 satisfaction for me.

PvE is easy.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

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24 Jun 2009 at 09:04 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by beatdownbob

Please though, give me some more paper scissor stone examples of when Glimmer is bad.

Hehehehe. Okay, seriously, where do you see those examples?

But whatever, have your satisfaction for being pwetty snowflake.

EPO Bot

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/N

24 Jun 2009 at 09:23 - 70

I use glimmer all the time in RA simply because its daze resistant. If you get dazed wile getting pounded no mending touch or WoH will save you because you will never get it casted. Of course i know a real pvp er is so 1337 he never ever gets dazed or even has to cast a single spell. That's why they all use shields even wile HB'ing in pve.

However glimmer loses some points for being really easy to divert.

faraaz

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2008

India

Hey Mallyx [icU]

A/

24 Jun 2009 at 09:30 - 71

The only thing glimmer is good for is healing my smiter on my ranger hero when I run Rragars...

Wish Swiftdeath

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

Mo/W

24 Jun 2009 at 09:33 - 72

Really unless you're getting attacked by 2 or more mesmers, you shouldn't get your stuff diversioned.

Watch the mesmer, the real problem with diversion is that it forces you to sac skills or not cast.

beatdownbob

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2009

hurr durr

hurr durr forums

24 Jun 2009 at 10:18 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by EPO Bot

Of course i know a real pvp er is so 1337 he never ever gets dazed or even has to cast a single spell.

I hope you're not suggesting that those guys have actually died at some point, because I assure you then when they're PMing you about how awesome they are and how much you suck, it's because IT'S TRUE.

You know it's true because they use the word "noob".

God forbid anybody actually PLAY guild wars as opposed to living it or farming it.

"Why have you brought a bonder into RA?"
"I've not done it for ages... wanted some fun and entertainment"
"noob. Bring meta or uninstall guild wars"
"... you DO know this is a game right?"
"noob. uninstall guild wars"

or my personal favourite
"Why have you brought something that doesn't synergise with my build into RA, don't you know I'm pro and you should be bringing the things that work with me to make me look better?"
"Is that a trick question?"
"noob. uninstall guild wars"

So anyway, I think I'm going to start bigging up Blessed Light next, I've not seen that in any meta... that'll get the meta bed wetters bed wetting.

Wish Swiftdeath

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

Mo/W

24 Jun 2009 at 10:50 - 74

It's not a case of running meta builds, if it works by all means use it.

The problem comes with people bringing builds into RA that don't work, yes it's RA but not everyone enjoys lying on the ground after 30 seconds because their monk has healing breeze and orison.

revelation

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

24 Jun 2009 at 11:07 - 75

I would agree with Strength of Honor, I often look for a smiter to throw it in with Judge's Insight so I can smash everything on my way with my warrior

faraaz

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2008

India

Hey Mallyx [icU]

A/

24 Jun 2009 at 11:13 - 76

Quote:

Originally Posted by beatdownbob

I hope you're not suggesting that those guys have actually died at some point, because I assure you then when they're PMing you about how awesome they are and how much you suck, it's because IT'S TRUE.

You know it's true because they use the word "noob".

God forbid anybody actually PLAY guild wars as opposed to living it or farming it.

"Why have you brought a bonder into RA?"
"I've not done it for ages... wanted some fun and entertainment"
"noob. Bring meta or uninstall guild wars"
"... you DO know this is a game right?"
"noob. uninstall guild wars"

or my personal favourite
"Why have you brought something that doesn't synergise with my build into RA, don't you know I'm pro and you should be bringing the things that work with me to make me look better?"
"Is that a trick question?"
"noob. uninstall guild wars"

So anyway, I think I'm going to start bigging up Blessed Light next, I've not seen that in any meta... that'll get the meta bed wetters bed wetting.

Quote:

A griefer is a player who plays a computer game in order to irritate and harass other players, rather than in pursuit of game objectives.

Quote:

Reasons for griefing

There are as many motivations for griefing as there are griefers, but common causes are:

* Emotional immaturity and/or instability.
* Adolescent rebellion against authority. A desire to push the limits and attempt to disrupt.
* Sociopathic behavior.
* Boredom. Some griefers feel that they want something to do, and if they're not interested in participating in a constructive manner, they will generate their "fun" by antagonizing others.

Someone needs to learn the difference between PLAYING the game and being a tool for the fun of it.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

24 Jun 2009 at 11:44 - 77

Quote:

Originally Posted by beatdownbob

God forbid anybody actually PLAY guild wars as opposed to living it or farming it.

There is no issue in playing the game in a way you want to.
There is an issue in playing the game in a sub-par fashion and then refusing to acknowledge that it's sub-par.

ajc2123

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

North of the wall

Me/

24 Jun 2009 at 12:16 - 78

Let's try and keep it on topic lol. If you wanna make a WoH vs glimmer thread then do so.

As for topic, this isn't actually an underrated skill, but more of where its placed that makes it undesirable i guess. I decided to split my ranger heros attributes from pure mark/exp, to mark/exp/blood magic and put bloodn ritual on her. Now I has barrage ranger without having to bring Eve to power mah healers! Very fun!

beatdownbob

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2009

hurr durr

hurr durr forums

24 Jun 2009 at 12:19 - 79

Quote:

Originally Posted by faraaz

Someone needs to learn the difference between PLAYING the game and being a tool for the fun of it.

I read your post. It didn't seem relevant. Do you have sufficient popularity with the mods on this forum to make troll posts and get away with it then?

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

There is no issue in playing the game in a way you want to.
There is an issue in playing the game in a sub-par fashion and then refusing to acknowledge that it's sub-par.

Feel free to respond to the words that were written as opposed to the words that you only wish were written. In your own time of course.

Kendel

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2009

24 Jun 2009 at 12:45 - 80

There is a big difference between using skills that are quite simply worse than other choices and using skills that go about things in a different way.

Unless you're running Glimmer with both Selfless and Divine Spirit so you can REALLY spam it there is absolutely 0 reason to take i over WoH, HB or UA.
But something like Fevered Dreams so you can have some fun with AoE conditions instead of been a boring, unimaginative tool and using Sabway 24/7 like its the only build that can possibly do anything is not 'sub-par'.