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upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

24 Jun 2009 at 14:23 - 81

Quote:

Originally Posted by beatdownbob

Feel free to respond to the words that were written as opposed to the words that you only wish were written. In your own time of course.

Then I misunderstood what you were trying to say.
I thought you were arguing that are running Glimmer because you like it.

I've re-read it and I don't see what you were trying to say if not the above.
Any additional info would be most helpful.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

24 Jun 2009 at 15:05 - 82

Quote:

Originally Posted by faraaz

(snipped griefing definition)

Someone needs to learn the difference between PLAYING the game and being a tool for the fun of it.

Its took you that long to figure him out? It was right in first post:

Quote:

Highlight's Pvxwiki nub teams who don't know why they are asking for Word of Healing or Healer's Boon.
75% chance to cause Crying if ally is already suffering from the Pvxwiki condition. If Crying occurs you gain 10 satisfaction.
75% chance to cause RageQuit is ally is already suffering the Crying condition. If RageQuit occurs you gain 50 satisfaction.

That's what i call awesome trollin, kudos!

YunSooJin

Pyromaniac

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

24 Jun 2009 at 16:00 - 83

Quote:

Originally Posted by beatdownbob

ahhhh.... an extra 30 Satisfaction extracted from pvxwiki.... mmmmmm..... tasty.....

Please though, give me some more paper scissor stone examples of when Glimmer is bad.

Maybe you would say Orison is better because Arcane Thievery has just randomly hit your Glimmer of Light, therefore Glimmer sucks, those types of conditional justifications are at there very best, obvious and obviously pointless, and at worst, +10 satisfaction for me.

1. do basic math
2. compare glimmer to other monk elites
3. ????
4. Profit??

englitdaudelin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

East Coast

Soldier's Union [SU]

N/Me

24 Jun 2009 at 21:51 - 84

In PvE:
Apply poison on the ranger, great when combined with BHA.
Sundering Weapon (rit spell) on a x/rt
any burning
then: Epidemic (mesmer, no attribute).

Scads of fun, even in HM.

Regulus X

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2007

N/A

D/W

24 Jun 2009 at 22:35 - 85

In PvE:
Shroud of Silence (on a Boss)

In PvP:
Smiter's Boon

In PvE and PvP:
Mending

/endsarcasm

street peddler

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

24 Jun 2009 at 23:05 - 86

Weapon of Quickening is pretty underrated.

Kitor

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2009

Dominion Of The Shattered Sun [Sun]

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24 Jun 2009 at 23:56 - 87

Lamentation. Ordinarily pretty bad, but I put it in my Assassin's Promise Discord Caller build, works pretty well there.

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

25 Jun 2009 at 02:19 - 88

If you want to heal a target who is below 50% health, WoH makes the best heal energy wise, Glimmer will not save you if you are low on health in PVP, but WoH will.

If a target is above 50% health, then you simply dont use WoH, you use Patient Spirit and if required when their health falls a little too low while waiting for patient Spirit to heal, you follow up with Dwaynas kiss or sig of rejuvenation.

If you require a daze proof skill, then use Life sheath. Also, while dazed 1/4s sec cast skills can still be interupted with a lucky physical hit.

Another option to daze proof yourself is a tactics 75% block stance from tactics > mending touch if you want a non elite daze proofing.

Patient Spirit with either WoH or Life Sheath outclass Glimmer in PVP, whereas in PVE, HB and UA are the best choices, just remember prot Spirit as well.

Using the argument that using a skill because you enjoy it and find it fun like Glimmer is fine, but dont try and argue that it is better then a WoH or Life Sheath monk because it isnt for the reasons described here.

I enjoy using lots of weaker and not so perfect builds in PVE because PVE is easy and you can complete the whole game as a flare spammer or mending wammo. But I am not going to argue that Mirror of Ice is better than Savannah Heat just because I enjoy using it in a unique non wiki build. Nor that energy surge is better than VoR just because I enjoy playing energy surge.

Empathic Removal and Signet of Removal are very underated. I dont like using these on monks though, but they both work very nicely on a support paragon or warrior hero in condition or hex heavy areas. Alternatively, Convert Hexes or Extinguish on Necro or Ellys is also good, but these two arent as underated.

faraaz

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2008

India

Hey Mallyx [icU]

A/

25 Jun 2009 at 06:54 - 89

Quote:

Originally Posted by street peddler

Weapon of Quickening is pretty underrated.

I bring it on my necro when leeching dungeon runs. Comes in handy.

beatdownbob

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2009

hurr durr

hurr durr forums

25 Jun 2009 at 08:40 - 90

You responded to things that weren't written. But having seen the disgusting, shocking and downright disgraceful moderation that's gone on in here, I'm fairly sure that as a regular, you must be right.

This is a thread about under rated and under used skills, it was obvious from the start this was just going to be flame bait. And even then people still trolled anybody who had the audacity to admit to not running 100% meta ALL THE SHOCKING TIME. Yet the moderators decided that was ok, but replying back was not OK.

It's just like being back on the [Lazy] forums. "You'd better be one of our favourite sycophants, or you can just gtfo"

refer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2009

US

25 Jun 2009 at 10:00 - 91

Quote:

Originally Posted by beatdownbob

You responded to things that weren't written. But having seen the disgusting, shocking and downright disgraceful moderation that's gone on in here, I'm fairly sure that as a regular, you must be right.

This is a thread about under rated and under used skills, it was obvious from the start this was just going to be flame bait. And even then people still trolled anybody who had the audacity to admit to not running 100% meta ALL THE SHOCKING TIME. Yet the moderators decided that was ok, but replying back was not OK.

It's just like being back on the [Lazy] forums. "You'd better be one of our favourite sycophants, or you can just gtfo"

well you know... everybody has to be at peak performance all of the time. if you are not using the most efficient skill combinations then you should uninstall. and pvx is there to educate the masses about how to best the most efficient.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

25 Jun 2009 at 10:10 - 92

Quote:

Originally Posted by beatdownbob

You responded to things that weren't written. But having seen the disgusting, shocking and downright disgraceful moderation that's gone on in here, I'm fairly sure that as a regular, you must be right.

This is a thread about under rated and under used skills, it was obvious from the start this was just going to be flame bait. And even then people still trolled anybody who had the audacity to admit to not running 100% meta ALL THE SHOCKING TIME. Yet the moderators decided that was ok, but replying back was not OK.

It's just like being back on the [Lazy] forums. "You'd better be one of our favourite sycophants, or you can just gtfo"

Like I said, the problem isn't running options that aren't as good as others. It's your game and it's your fun. And to anyone saying that Glimmer sucks - you could have just responded with a simple "I don't care" or "I like it".

The problem is this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by beatdownbob

Amongst all the amazing reasons to bring this skill, not least the fascinating graphic that leaves people asking what that is, but the QQ from preprogrammed "can u bring woh?" and "bring hb?" nublets is worth it on it's own.

Absolutely comedy gold from the moment you say "If you can explain why WoH is better for the task we're about to undertake, then yes" to the moment you say "gg, thanks everybody, somebody PM that QQ ragequitter and tell him we made it without him and how quickly too!".

You are trying to strengthen your choice with objective reasons.
And the objective reasons speak against Glimmer.

So if you are using Glimmer because you like it - then by all means continue running it. Have fun in PvE! It's the best gift you can give yourself. It's the same reason why my para doesn't run FA + AR, but rather uses SF + ToF!.
If on the other hand you are using Glimmer because you think it's good - then you are mistaken. It's not. So if you strive to play at your best - you'll switch it.

Of course, this issue arises when you end up playing with other people. Then it's no longer your game - but it becomes a team game.
And in a team game - unless the team decides otherwise (which in your case would mean allowing you to run Glimmer) - decisions should be based on objective reasons.
And as people have pointed out - Glimmer objectively sucks.

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

25 Jun 2009 at 10:16 - 93

So, I'm not sure how underrated it is, but I'm a personal fan of Icy Veins. I like it when things go boom!

I also like Vampiric Spirit at times.

beatdownbob

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2009

hurr durr

hurr durr forums

25 Jun 2009 at 10:25 - 94

Quote mining is a fun game too.

EPO Bot

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/N

25 Jun 2009 at 10:27 - 95

No it doesn't because i win with it. A lot. It just becomes a problem if people pick a bad monk with WoH over a good monk with glimmer. If you suck, it doesn't matter how gang- i mean: "meta" your build is.

That's the thing that really bothers me about metagamers: They never let you do your own thing. They would pick a fresh monk with three days experience running a wiki bar over a GWAMM with a different one. So unless it's completely random pvp, it will never be something i find fun.

Moloch Vein

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Reactive Hexing Sucks

[Thay]

N/

25 Jun 2009 at 10:27 - 96

I find Glimmer of Light far better to put on an N/Mo hero bar than Word of Healing, honestly.

However, the praise for Healing Burst actually made me go cap it.

beatdownbob

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2009

hurr durr

hurr durr forums

25 Jun 2009 at 10:58 - 97

Quote:

Originally Posted by EPO Bot

No it doesn't because i win with it. A lot. It just becomes a problem if people pick a bad monk with WoH over a good monk with glimmer. If you suck, it doesn't matter how gang- i mean: "meta" your build is.

That's the thing that really bothers me about metagamers: They never let you do your own thing. They would pick a fresh monk with three days experience running a wiki bar over a GWAMM with a different one. So unless it's completely random pvp, it will never be something i find fun.

It's always refreshing to see somebody who understands.

bungusmaximus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guild Of Handicrafted Products [MaSS]

W/Mo

25 Jun 2009 at 11:00 - 98

PvE: expert's dexterity, especially on heroes

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

25 Jun 2009 at 11:21 - 99

Quote:

Originally Posted by EPO Bot

No it doesn't because i win with it. A lot. It just becomes a problem if people pick a bad monk with WoH over a good monk with glimmer. If you suck, it doesn't matter how gang- i mean: "meta" your build is.

That's the thing that really bothers me about metagamers: They never let you do your own thing. They would pick a fresh monk with three days experience running a wiki bar over a GWAMM with a different one. So unless it's completely random pvp, it will never be something i find fun.

How about a skilled monk with WoH vs. a skilled monk with Glimmer?

Quote:

Originally Posted by bungusmaximus

PvE: expert's dexterity, especially on heroes

Sweet baby Jesus!
Yes, yes, yes!
Gosh, I LOVE that skill!

beatdownbob

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2009

hurr durr

hurr durr forums

25 Jun 2009 at 12:00 - 100

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

How about a skilled monk with WoH vs. a skilled monk with Glimmer?

How about an even more skilled monk with Glimmer vs. a skilled monk with WoH?

Sometimes I eat oranges. But I prefer apples. Apples are green. I should have brought Rock, because he brought Scissors. If only I had known. But I've never NEVER chosen Scissors myself, so I wouldn't know. I saw a guy on wiki though, he PROVED with some really clever maths, that you should ALWAYS choose Paper.

It was something to do with the Monty Hall Paradox. Anyway somebody else had D-Shot, and it was basically all over. I should have had grapes. Grapes are purple. Except when they are green.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

25 Jun 2009 at 12:21 - 101

Quote:

Originally Posted by beatdownbob

How about an even more skilled monk with Glimmer vs. a skilled monk with WoH?

You fail to see the point.
If the skill of both players is on the same level, then their performance will depend on the skills used.
So in the case of the bad WoH player vs. a good Glimmer player - we can't really compare the skills itself, due to the players different skill levels being able to negate potential shortcoming/bonuses of the skill.
Will the good Glimmer player be a better addition to the the party than a bad WoH player? Of course, but that's not the result of the skill. That's the result of the player's skill level. Now imagine that player using the best option. He does not need to compensate for the skill's potential shortcomings so he is able to perform at a higher level.

And as I have said before, due to PvE being easy, a player can play poorly, yet still win. If only players who play on the highest level of skill would be able to win - this wouldn't even be a question.

beatdownbob

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2009

hurr durr

hurr durr forums

25 Jun 2009 at 12:48 - 102

Quote:

Originally Posted by refer

well you know... everybody has to be at peak performance all of the time. if you are not using the most efficient skill combinations then you should uninstall. and pvx is there to educate the masses about how to best the most efficient.

But what happens when everybody is running The One True Pro Daddy GI Joe Build 100% efficient that cannot be beat. Then NOBODY DIES EVAR!

I don't think the servers can cope with unstoppable forces meeting immoavable objects.

Thankfully there are just enough complete and utter nobhole fools who bring ridiculous skills like [something else out of healing] and thus matches end, and the monsters die.

Phew! Thank them, thank them one and all!

Mouse at Large

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Scotland

Fuzzy Physics Institute

E/

25 Jun 2009 at 16:10 - 103

Fire Storm - but only if run with Mark of Rodgort

Shursh

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2008

KaVa

N/

25 Jun 2009 at 18:47 - 104

Quote:

Originally Posted by beatdownbob

But what happens when everybody is running The One True Pro Daddy GI Joe Build 100% efficient that cannot be beat. Then NOBODY DIES EVAR!

I don't think the servers can cope with unstoppable forces meeting immoavable objects.

Thankfully there are just enough complete and utter nobhole fools who bring ridiculous skills like [something else out of healing] and thus matches end, and the monsters die.

Phew! Thank them, thank them one and all!

are you on drugs?

anyway, i'm not sure how underrated Depravity is, but i love using that skill in RA.

Kendel

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2009

25 Jun 2009 at 19:49 - 105

Does anyone have a clue what beatdownbob is actually trying to say?

Burst Cancel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

Domain of Broken Game Mechanics

25 Jun 2009 at 21:00 - 106

Quote:

Originally Posted by EPO Bot

That's the thing that really bothers me about metagamers: They never let you do your own thing. They would pick a fresh monk with three days experience running a wiki bar over a GWAMM with a different one. So unless it's completely random pvp, it will never be something i find fun.

Two problems here:
- There's no way for people to tell if it's a "fresh" monk. The guy running hamstorm could be a pro out on a lark, or he could be a genuine idiot.
- GWAMM is not an indicator of skill. At best, it's an indicator of patience.

Xyon the Greatest

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2009

Random Arenas

Mo/W

25 Jun 2009 at 21:06 - 107

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kendel

Does anyone have a clue what beatdownbob is actually trying to say?

Wow, is he talking to himself?

Gigashadow

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Bellevue, WA

W/

25 Jun 2009 at 21:27 - 108

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burst Cancel

Two problems here:
- There's no way for people to tell if it's a "fresh" monk. The guy running hamstorm could be a pro out on a lark, or he could be a genuine idiot.
- GWAMM is not an indicator of skill. At best, it's an indicator of patience.

There is no title that is going to be an accurate indicator of skill, but you don't need a title to be 100% accurate for it to be of any use.

This is really a similar argument as, do the Hero rank titles mean anything? Some would say no, they can never mean anything whatsoever; after all, maybe that guy over there bought the title, or was terrible and carried by friends, while that other guy is an amazing player but just happens to be low ranked.

However, while those things may be true in some situations, what is the average or typical case? Suppose you took all R1 players (like me; I never got into HA) in Guild Wars and put them in a bag. Then you took all R10 players and put them in another bag. At random you make teams of players from its own bag. Do the R10 players, on average, do better than the R1 players? I would say yes, because even if all the other things are the same, the R10 players have way more experience playing. If the results really are indistinguishable, then yes, you can say rank is a meaningless indicator. But if there is a statistically different outcome, then the title does, on average, tell you something, even if it often treats individual players unfairly.

An analogous situation could be applied to GWAMM, for example, even though I'm sure there are plenty of awful GWAMM players out there. Just remember that there are plenty of awful players in general out there too. I would say that people must have learned at least some useful experience from achieving GWAMM. This also gets in to whether experience or knowledge counts as skill, or if you are one of the believers that only manual dexterity or twitch equals skill.

Necromas

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

25 Jun 2009 at 23:52 - 109

Whirlwind attack.

It should be on every warrior bar that uses adrenal skills unless they just don't have room for it, hit a crowd of enemies with it and you gain a ton of adrenaline. Sure it can't recharge itself, but it still lets you use the rest of your chain an extra time.

Combined with dragon slash, they'll easily recharge each other.

Burst Cancel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

Domain of Broken Game Mechanics

25 Jun 2009 at 23:56 - 110

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gigashadow

An analogous situation could be applied to GWAMM, for example, even though I'm sure there are plenty of awful GWAMM players out there. Just remember that there are plenty of awful players in general out there too. I would say that people must have learned at least some useful experience from achieving GWAMM. This also gets in to whether experience or knowledge counts as skill, or if you are one of the believers that only manual dexterity or twitch equals skill.

It's not an analogous situation, because the problem with GWAMM is deeper than just, "did he get carried?" or "did he buy runs?". The issue is that nothing that GWAMM requires you to do is indicative of skill; to wit, completing PvE, hugging walls, and spamming candies says nothing about your ability as a player. So even assuming that every GWAMM you see got their title completely on their own, you still wouldn't know if they were actually any good at the game. GWAMM simply has nothing to do with skill in the first place.

Case in point: I've had this title for over a year and I'm an absolutely terrible player. And honestly, at no point in getting this title did my lack of ability have any real bearing on the outcome. Anyone who has the time can get this title.

tl;dr: GWAMM is about as related to skill as basic arithmetic is related to someone's intelligence.

zelgadissan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Warrior Priests [WP]

Me/Rt

25 Jun 2009 at 23:57 - 111

Quote:

Originally Posted by Necromas

Whirlwind attack.

Might be wrong here, but I don't think anybody underrates Whirlwind...

Trinity Fire Angel

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2007

The Desert

Legions of Engalion [自由]

Mo/W

26 Jun 2009 at 00:13 - 112

Quote:

Originally Posted by beatdownbob

Glimmer of Light.
5e c0.25 r1

Elite Spell. Heal target ally for 10...94...115 Health.
Highlight's Pvxwiki nub teams who don't know why they are asking for Word of Healing or Healer's Boon.
75% chance to cause Crying if ally is already suffering from the Pvxwiki condition. If Crying occurs you gain 10 satisfaction.
75% chance to cause RageQuit is ally is already suffering the Crying condition. If RageQuit occurs you gain 50 satisfaction.
While Glimmer of Light is on your skillbar, you are immune to the Ovis condition.

Amongst all the amazing reasons to bring this skill, not least the fascinating graphic that leaves people asking what that is, but the QQ from preprogrammed "can u bring woh?" and "bring hb?" nublets is worth it on it's own.

Absolutely comedy gold from the moment you say "If you can explain why WoH is better for the task we're about to undertake, then yes" to the moment you say "gg, thanks everybody, somebody PM that QQ ragequitter and tell him we made it without him and how quickly too!".

absolutely hilarious. +1 for comedy factor. +5 for perhaps enticing me to play around with this skill.

Made In Ascalon

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

None

Rt/

26 Jun 2009 at 00:34 - 113

Crippling Anguish. I love bringing it into AB for the sole purpose of griefing stragglers.

Master Ketsu

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

middle of nowhere

Krazy Guild With Krazy People [KrZy]

R/

26 Jun 2009 at 01:30 - 114

Probably Scavenger's Focus.

Scavenger's+Poison tip signet+Spear = rediculous energy management.

I believe if you attack the full duration, it comes out to being +70 or so energy every 20 seconds. That's the equivalent of about 11 energy regen.

Another not-so underused but still underrated skill is feintheartedness. Of course, people who PvP know it's still one of the best Necro skills in the game...but Pve'rs don't seem to understand that 50% reduced attack speed owns monsters just as much. I facepalmed when I saw pve scrubs complaining about the nerfs to it on wiki.

"Hurr durr now it only does 3 degen instead of 4 degen durp durp now its a useless skill derp herp." ( THIS IS WHAT BAD PLAYERS ACTUALLY BELIEVE )

glacialphoenix

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

Singapore

Royal Order of Flying Lemmings [ROFL]

Mo/

26 Jun 2009 at 04:26 - 115

Quote:

Another not-so underused but still underrated skill is feintheartedness. Of course, people who PvP know it's still one of the best Necro skills in the game...but Pve'rs don't seem to understand that 50% reduced attack speed owns monsters just as much. I facepalmed when I saw pve scrubs complaining about the nerfs to it on wiki.

I know someone who didn't seem to think curses were much use at all. He's since changed his tune, but there was one epic moment where we went into a HM mission with Olias set to curses + BR and -

"Let's drop Olias. He's only there for the BR, right?"
"No, he's there for the curses too. Like Enfeebling Blood."
"I don't mind taking more damage from melee if we drop Olias."
"You don't. I do, because I get to patch you up, and you're the one who keeps coming very close to dying anyway."

Trinity Fire Angel

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2007

The Desert

Legions of Engalion [自由]

Mo/W

26 Jun 2009 at 05:07 - 116

oooh,,, i just read thru all the other posts about Glimmer vs WoH.

I have three contributions to underrated skills.

Divine Boon - This used to be meta i know, but since it;s nerf and other nerfed skills, it has fallen out of favour. i disagree, Divine Boon is my new fav skill and i have found many new and interesting ways of using it.

Scourge Healing - Watch a Mindless Mind Blast Ele go BOOM with a 30sec + 79dmg armour ignoring hex every time they cast.

Anything Smite - purely for its armour ignoring factor. Watch Warriors and Rangers (and Juggernauts and all other creatures foul) fall to the power of smite where armour no longer exists.

refer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2009

US

26 Jun 2009 at 06:46 - 117

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shursh

are you on drugs?

anyway, i'm not sure how underrated Depravity is, but i love using that skill in RA.

this skill is amazing. I suck at RA so I do it some in (don't kill me for this): AB. Energy denial is so much fun but I really do hate 4v4, I'm not good at it.

refer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2009

US

26 Jun 2009 at 06:52 - 118

Quote:

Originally Posted by glacialphoenix

I know someone who didn't seem to think curses were much use at all. He's since changed his tune, but there was one epic moment where we went into a HM mission with Olias set to curses + BR and -

"Let's drop Olias. He's only there for the BR, right?"
"No, he's there for the curses too. Like Enfeebling Blood."
"I don't mind taking more damage from melee if we drop Olias."
"You don't. I do, because I get to patch you up, and you're the one who keeps coming very close to dying anyway."

Ouch. Why don't they realize how powerful hexes and conditions can be? I don't play HM but that's common sense, and even more important in HM.

Xenomortis

Tea Powered

Join Date: May 2008

UK

N/

26 Jun 2009 at 11:13 - 119

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master Ketsu

Another not-so underused but still underrated skill is feintheartedness. Of course, people who PvP know it's still one of the best Necro skills in the game...but Pve'rs don't seem to understand that 50% reduced attack speed owns monsters just as much. I facepalmed when I saw pve scrubs complaining about the nerfs to it on wiki.

"Hurr durr now it only does 3 degen instead of 4 degen durp durp now its a useless skill derp herp." ( THIS IS WHAT BAD PLAYERS ACTUALLY BELIEVE )

The degen is next to worthless in PvE, so I'd run Shadow of Fear over it every time (unless I'm only going to fight a single boss). The main effect is the same, except it's AoE and can draw out and waste hex removal much more effectively.
The only downside is a 2 second cast time, but that's quite trivial.

Kendel

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2009

26 Jun 2009 at 12:45 - 120

Meekness is your friend in PvE, not Shadow of Fear. Sure its a health sac but its worth the massive increase in radius.

The only problem with them is that when anyone runs Curses, its normally for SS. SoF/Meekness/Faint do the exact opposite of what you want when you could be running Reckless Haste.