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Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

Domain of Broken Game Mechanics

26 Jun 2009 at 12:53 - 121

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kendel

The only problem with them is that when anyone runs Curses, its normally for SS. SoF/Meekness/Faint do the exact opposite of what you want when you could be running Reckless Haste.

Exactly.

Slowing down enemy attack speeds is often counterproductive in PvE. Instead, damage reduction, blocking, etc. are far better options. Put up Aegis, spread weakness/blind, and watch monsters kill themselves through SS/Empathy/Insidious/etc.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

26 Jun 2009 at 13:06 - 122

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kendel

Meekness is your friend in PvE, not Shadow of Fear. Sure its a health sac but its worth the massive increase in radius.

And the recharge never was an issue?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kendel

The only problem with them is that when anyone runs Curses, its normally for SS. SoF/Meekness/Faint do the exact opposite of what you want when you could be running Reckless Haste.

As mentioned, SoF.
Barbs.
Enfeebling.
MoP, when APed.
The reasons why I run curses.
And I am pretty sure quite a few others too.

Xenomortis

Tea Powered

Join Date: May 2008

UK

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26 Jun 2009 at 13:20 - 123

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kendel

The only problem with them is that when anyone runs Curses, its normally for SS. SoF/Meekness/Faint do the exact opposite of what you want when you could be running Reckless Haste.

Oh please.
Shed yourself of such ignorance before you become blind.

I run curses not for SS, but for the more powerful skills it offers (Barbs, Mark of Pain, Enfeebling Blood). Shadow of Fear is not detrimental to those at all, although I find myself running RH over it anyway.
I could run SS if I wanted, but the curses line or any spec into it is not always, or even usually for SS.

My original statement on Shadow of Fear is me saying why I think Faintheartedness is generally a weak option when compared to SoF, or indeed even Meekness (but a 15e spell on a 15 sec recharge hurts).

Hellscream The Evil

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2008

Sigh

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26 Jun 2009 at 13:24 - 124

Quote:

Originally Posted by beatdownbob

Glimmer of Light.
5e c0.25 r1

Elite Spell. Heal target ally for 10...94...115 Health.
Highlight's Pvxwiki nub teams who don't know why they are asking for Word of Healing or Healer's Boon.
75% chance to cause Crying if ally is already suffering from the Pvxwiki condition. If Crying occurs you gain 10 satisfaction.
75% chance to cause RageQuit is ally is already suffering the Crying condition. If RageQuit occurs you gain 50 satisfaction.
While Glimmer of Light is on your skillbar, you are immune to the Ovis condition.

Amongst all the amazing reasons to bring this skill, not least the fascinating graphic that leaves people asking what that is, but the QQ from preprogrammed "can u bring woh?" and "bring hb?" nublets is worth it on it's own.

Absolutely comedy gold from the moment you say "If you can explain why WoH is better for the task we're about to undertake, then yes" to the moment you say "gg, thanks everybody, somebody PM that QQ ragequitter and tell him we made it without him and how quickly too!".

this is what i think lol

i use glimmer since LoD was nerfed

the PERFECT skill bar for a hero

no res because i dont die in pve :P

Kendel

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2009

26 Jun 2009 at 13:46 - 125

Wow people really are pissy in this thread.

Your right, obviously by saying 'people run SS' i was actually saying 'the rest of the Curses line is useless'. Stop making kneejerk accusations based on absolutely nothing, yes i'm looking at you Xeno. Majority of people use SS when they run Curses, or more than likely, they run a Curses HERO. Does that have anything to do with Barbs/MoP? No, i believe it doesn't. Shadow of Fear/Meekness do not synergise with the elite almost everyone uses on a Curses hero. Yes they ARE powerful, they also make great triggers when your messing around running FoC spike instead of SS.

That said people do underestimate how much damage can be reduced by Weakness/SoF. But then again these people also don't understand the use of Blind, Daze and Cripple. I really do love Fevered Dreams on my Ele's hero team setup, theres something satisfying about seeing an entire mob of casters flinch as Daze is transmitted and they all get int'd.

Improvavel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

26 Jun 2009 at 14:29 - 126

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kendel

Wow people really are pissy in this thread.

Your right, obviously by saying 'people run SS' i was actually saying 'the rest of the Curses line is useless'. Stop making kneejerk accusations based on absolutely nothing, yes i'm looking at you Xeno. Majority of people use SS when they run Curses, or more than likely, they run a Curses HERO.

The majority of people also runs HB full of heals or SF eles. So?

SS isn't the fastest killing skill in the world, but as long as your team is alive it will kill. Exchanging some of your kill speed for the enemy kill speed doesn't seem that bad of a proposition. Especially because the rest of your team kill speed is unaffected or even increased by the fact they are taking less damage and hence alive.

And btw, SS isn't exactly the best elite to give to a curses hero. Discord or some support skill like Empathic removal can be better options.

Burst Cancel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

Domain of Broken Game Mechanics

26 Jun 2009 at 14:39 - 127

Quote:

Originally Posted by Improvavel

SS isn't the fastest killing skill in the world, but as long as your team is alive it will kill. Exchanging some of your kill speed for the enemy kill speed doesn't seem that bad of a proposition. Especially because the rest of your team kill speed is unaffected or even increased by the fact they are taking less damage and hence alive.

Reckless Haste + Enfeebling Blood = retaining your kill speed while reducing theirs.

And that's ignoring all of the other damage reduction options you have - particularly all of the skills that blind, block, or straight-up reduce damage. Say, Aegis ... or SY! ... or protting in general. Heck, even the Earth henchmen take Ward Against Melee.

Kendel

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2009

26 Jun 2009 at 15:32 - 128

Thank you Burst for basically answering for me.

Shadow of Fear won't stop Rangers interrupting or degening. It won't stop Warriors/Paragons gaining adren for attack skills and the range of problems they can be (from no problem to KD/weakness spam). It won't stop Assassins from chaining. It won't stop Dervish's spamming attack skills.

Yes SoF/Meek do have there advantages, but they can't compete with Reckless Haste (which combines well with Price of Failure) if you are running things like VoR, Empathy, SS & Price.

Medoc

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2009

Amazon Basin

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26 Jun 2009 at 19:04 - 129

Whenever I want a good laugh, I come to Guru. Someone takes the time to undertake a topic and may actually get a few responses that will STAY OT. However, fear not, the flaming and arguing will ensue eventually. Is this supposed to be a topic about WoH vs GL? Is it supposed to be about who has the best nec curse skills? I think not. How do you people make it through a day without veering off course? Thank-you for the hours of entertainment.

BTW, Asuran scan.

Made In Ascalon

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

None

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26 Jun 2009 at 19:16 - 130

Asuran Scan is underrated?

Medoc

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2009

Amazon Basin

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26 Jun 2009 at 19:20 - 131

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Originally Posted by Made In Ascalon

Asuran Scan is underrated?

Maybe not underrated more than underutilized.

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

26 Jun 2009 at 20:37 - 132

This is a thread titled 'Underated Skills'.

Therefore people post which skill they think is underated and why.

Other people may see this and want to discuss the skill even further with more reasons as to why it is, or why it isnt underated, this is called a discussion.

If there was no debate between WoH / Glimmer, or about the necro curses, this would be a very boring thread indeed.

Anyhow, a lot of people in this thread simply confirm that my H/H will always be better then they are.

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Originally Posted by Hellscream The Evil

this is what i think lol

i use glimmer since LoD was nerfed

the PERFECT skill bar for a hero

no res because i dont die in pve :P

Please turn hard mode on. That bar is far from perfect without any Prot Spirit and also condition removal in most of PVE.

Glimmer wont save anyone from 400+ damage spikes in HM.

The problem with GW is that monks are seen as the most important class, and in my opinion the only one that doesnt need to be excused for having an unsuitable skill bar. Now, if I were pugging on HM, and the monk in my team pinged that skillbar and refused to change it, one of us wouldnt be there anymore.

Just all the more reason why H/Hing is so much more reliable. Mhenlo > your monk hero skill bar.

I will admit that I used to hate WoH. Back before it was buffed and LoD was nerfed.

With all the current buffs to monk skill, old ones like LoD and Divine Boon should be re buffed to their former glory, that way people wont keep on playing the same skills.

The only reason why people play meta skill bars is because Anet continuously create new metas. They always nerf currently popular skills while buffing unpopular ones. This destroys the old meta and creates a new one. Rather then doing this, they should instead be keeping all elites and builds equal, but instead they always make one thing better then something else, so most people want to play the current best skills as they are buffed by Anet.

Hellscream The Evil

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2008

Sigh

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26 Jun 2009 at 21:46 - 133

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavv

Glimmer wont save anyone from 400+ damage spikes in HM.

i vanquished all with this skill bar...i died something like...3 times? i dont use just one monk on a team of 8 -.- of course a monk cant save anyone from 400+ damage spikes. important: dont pull more than 3 groups in HM in the same moment or Tahlkora COULD not save you :P

Quote:

That bar is far from perfect without any Prot Spirit and also condition removal in most of PVE.

>.< my mm got aegis and PS, the prot henchman i usually take if i'm alone removes the conditions^^

i dont want persuade nobody to use glimmer, i just like it and i found it very useful...you have 4 spaces for the mesmers skills for example, with divine spirit the hero can SPAM it for about 10 seconds, cant be interrupt, the hero continue tu use it while dazed (heroes usually block while dazed) and ... he interrupt well :P gaining a lot of energy to continue to spam it

(<italian) sorry for my bad english :P

Kendel

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2009

26 Jun 2009 at 22:52 - 134

Er bhavv are you sure you quoted the right person...

Going by 15 Healing Prayers and 9 Divine Favour (since your speccing massively in Inspiration) and including cast time, recharge.

You can cast 1 GoL every 1.25 seconds and heal for 115 + 29.
You can cast a WoH every 3.75 seconds and heal for 100/215 + 29.

The thing is... why? You don't need to keep your party topped off by casting every 1.25 seconds, thats just a waste of energy. And if someones really getting spiked you want powerful heals like WoH or, in extreme cases, Infuse. I mean you can keep a party topped off by generous use of Divine Healing or Heal Party/GoLE.

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

27 Jun 2009 at 02:36 - 135

Oh, sorry. I meant to quote someone that was complaining about woh and necro skills being discussed.

Fixed.

As for that wasted monk bar specced with 4 inspiration skills, it is really overkill on E management as I have always found that just the two interupts on 8 inspiration are all thats required to keep a monk heroes energy bar filled up.

YunSooJin

Pyromaniac

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

27 Jun 2009 at 07:36 - 136

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hellscream The Evil

i vanquished all with this skill bar...i died something like...3 times? i dont use just one monk on a team of 8 -.- of course a monk cant save anyone from 400+ damage spikes. important: dont pull more than 3 groups in HM in the same moment or Tahlkora COULD not save you :P

>.< my mm got aegis and PS, the prot henchman i usually take if i'm alone removes the conditions^^

i dont want persuade nobody to use glimmer, i just like it and i found it very useful...you have 4 spaces for the mesmers skills for example, with divine spirit the hero can SPAM it for about 10 seconds, cant be interrupt, the hero continue tu use it while dazed (heroes usually block while dazed) and ... he interrupt well :P gaining a lot of energy to continue to spam it

(<italian) sorry for my bad english :P

you or anyone else being able to run a crappy bar in pve does not make the skill underrated or even good.

Mad King Corn

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2006

27 Jun 2009 at 10:09 - 137

For my ranger, I love Marksman's wager! It rocks in most areas, except where a lot of blocking takes place.

Xenomortis

Tea Powered

Join Date: May 2008

UK

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27 Jun 2009 at 12:05 - 138

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kendel

Wow people really are pissy in this thread.
Your right, obviously by saying 'people run SS' i was actually saying 'the rest of the Curses line is useless'. Stop making kneejerk accusations based on absolutely nothing, yes i'm looking at you Xeno. Majority of people use SS when they run Curses, or more than likely, they run a Curses HERO.

Do be careful with assumptions, people can get annoyed with them. Whilst you are most likely correct about SS in this case, do be careful.
And the statement "When anyone runs Curses, it's normally for SS" does have a strong implication with the word "for".

There's a difference between running Curses for SS, and running Curses with SS. Forgive me for snapping at something that may seem quite trivial, but there is a difference and I have a reason.
The frequency with which SS discussions comes up is quite remarkable and is enough to destroy any patience I have over the issue.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kendel

Shadow of Fear won't stop Rangers interrupting or degening. It won't stop Warriors/Paragons gaining adren for attack skills and the range of problems they can be (from no problem to KD/weakness spam). It won't stop Assassins from chaining. It won't stop Dervish's spamming attack skills.

Yes SoF/Meek do have there advantages, but they can't compete with Reckless Haste (which combines well with Price of Failure) if you are running things like VoR, Empathy, SS & Price.

I can't see anybody saying SoF is better than RH.
When I mentioned Shadow of Fear, it was merely saying:
"There's no point bringing Faintheartedness when Shadow of Fear is around, as it does almost exactly the same thing, but is AoE"

One could argue "SoF is useless when RH is around" and one might be correct, but that's a different argument altogether.

Reckless Haste has a similar (if not exactly the same) usage as Shadow of Fear, the difference is RH is a 15e spell and doesn't degenerate the use of SS/VoR/Empathy. Personally, I consider that latter issue as trivial.

With regards to PvE, RH is a clear favourite. The only downside being a slightly higher energy cost and a significantly shorter duration.

With regards to PvP, the AoE aspects of RH and SoF is often wasted. The 15 energy cost is painful with Reckless. However this discussion appears to be far more PvE oriented.

angelsarc

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

E/

27 Jun 2009 at 13:26 - 139

Ether Renewal is underrated and underutilized. Also, Glimmer is awesome, because it's just like Orison, except elite!1one

Sir Seifus Halbred

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

28 Jun 2009 at 01:37 - 140

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavv

Oh, sorry. I meant to quote someone that was complaining about woh and necro skills being discussed.

Fixed.

I know you are talking to Hellscream The Evil but, no, it isn't, lol.

thetechx

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

the mooninites

E/Mo

28 Jun 2009 at 10:48 - 141

i dont see too many people with mark of rodgort. i love it and its always on my bar.
nothing better then keeping 4-5 people on fire while they are getting pummeled by liquid flame and fireballs.

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

South Pole

The Magus Order

N/Mo

28 Jun 2009 at 15:32 - 142

I always like using some more out of place Elites on some of my characters. They may not be "the best" but I have my own personal reasons for using them.

Cleave - I found that skills with high adrenaline costs are pointless in most PvE situations, since most mobs die before you get enough adrenaline.

Shatterstone - Due to a personal vow to stay away from Fire Magic on my Elementalist, I tend to use Water Magic. It's just a great skill for blasting almost anything.

Locust's Fury - When used with Critical Eye and Critical Agility, you can dish out some amazing damage.

Tender Wolf

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2007

All over Tyria, Cantha, & Elona

The Eternal Night Vanguard [TEN]

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28 Jun 2009 at 21:57 - 143

I don't know if this is an underrated skill, but it's not one I bring with me a lot - Shatter Hex.

I had that active from when I did Tihark Orchard in HM (the Palawa/Turai battle scene, so I brought hex removal) and forgot it was still in my skill bar. I was doing Frogstomp to unlock Hayda on my mesmer, and quite a few were around me hexing me. So I realized I had that on me, so I used it. I completely forgot it dealt damage to nearby foes. It actually saved me.

I'm going to use it again! hehe

Quote:

Originally Posted by thetechx

i dont see too many people with mark of rodgort. i love it and its always on my bar.
nothing better then keeping 4-5 people on fire while they are getting pummeled by liquid flame and fireballs.

I bring Mark of Rodgort a lot of the time, I just don't like the 15 energy req.

But with energy storage and Glyph of Lesser Energy, it's all good.

faraaz

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2008

India

Hey Mallyx [icU]

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29 Jun 2009 at 05:15 - 144

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

I bring Mark of Rodgort a lot of the time, I just don't like the 15 energy req.

But with energy storage and Glyph of Lesser Energy, it's all good.

+1.

I run this with Greater Conflagration purely for the lulz. Burn mofos BURN!!!!!

Scudmuffin12

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

We Are All Pretty [ugly]

Me/Mo

29 Jun 2009 at 21:49 - 145

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curse You

Locust's Fury - When used with Critical Eye and Critical Agility, you can dish out some amazing damage.

I use this on my assassin, Strength of Honor (on a hero), order of pain (on a hero), dark fury (on a hero), locust's fury, critical eye, critical agility, Save yourselves! and brawling headbutt.

you hit so often there are constant dagger noises going on, and you can keep SY! up indefinitely, not to mention doing massive damage and knocking down every second or two

Mad Lord of Milk

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2009

Dishonorable Hall of Fame

R/W

02 Jul 2009 at 23:03 - 146

Spear Swipe. Probably the best Regular Paragon skill

IronSheik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2008

Wolfenstein: Goldrush

Zombies Go Nom Nom [Nom]

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03 Jul 2009 at 02:08 - 147

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad Lord of Milk

Spear Swipe. Probably the best Regular Paragon skill

True dat

Awe+Spear swipe are just lulz in RA.

ranged sheep

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

NL

Mo/E

03 Jul 2009 at 11:29 - 148

Divine spirit + healing light,
gives u like 8 healing spells with like losing 1 energy

Tearz1993

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2007

Relentless Aggressors [rA]

R/Mo

04 Jul 2009 at 01:18 - 149

Psychic Instability

Raela79

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2008

AZ

(LOVE)

Me/

04 Jul 2009 at 01:42 - 150

I like Signet of Humility, good against bosses in PVE good against monks in RA

Sife

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2009

04 Jul 2009 at 04:28 - 151

Spirit's Strength.

Dagger rit FTW? I love to run it in RA <3 It's fun killing warrios with melee when you're a squishy.

dread slayer

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2008

Somewhere

A guild??? What is that?

A/

04 Jul 2009 at 05:50 - 152

Magebane shot anyone?
I had fun with this skill..... the unbloackable is very nice..... it's like a modded version of D-shot..... Wait.. It is!

dark4190

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

IGN: Serial Experiments

Farm people, not drops

Mo/

04 Jul 2009 at 18:39 - 153

Quote:

Originally Posted by back then

apparently 90% of monks are complete idiots because none of them seem to carry the single best monk skill in the game... Protective spirit.

I don't care if you are a smiter monk, this skill belongs on your bar. Any monk without ps needs to stop playing a monk.

quoted for truth!!

EPO Bot

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/N

04 Jul 2009 at 19:15 - 154

As long as one monk has it, its enough. Having more is redundant because you will usually cast it simultaniously on the same character.

Owik Gall

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guardians of the Light

W/Mo

12 Jul 2009 at 19:21 - 155

Flurry, on my warrior. (Namely me)

My build for PvE needs fast attacking more than fast attack-damaging for adrenaline gain. Besides, my build does will enough with out the extra damage from IAS. I can KD quite constantly and the damage from the skills I use aren't affected by the base damage deduction Flurry causes. Plus, I have SY! that I can spam constantly without a problem while under Flurry and the skill combo for gaining double adrenaline for a long while.

12 guesses on what PvE warrior build I'm using.

ll Jamie ll

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2009

Devon, England.

Desolation Lords [DL]

E/Mo

12 Jul 2009 at 19:38 - 156

Quote:

Originally Posted by Back then

Apparently 90% of monks are complete idiots because none of them seem to carry the single best monk skill in the game... protective spirit.

I don't care if you are a smiter monk, this skill belongs on your bar. Any monk without PS needs to stop playing a monk.

Also quoted for truth, I completely agree with you! PS is so useful if at least one person in the party has it.

I, myself, would like to add Mental Block. I don't know if its under-rated or not, but i find it extremely useful on all characters. It blocks those annoying incoming attacks well!

Plus it recharges frequently so.. why not?

EPO Bot

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/N

12 Jul 2009 at 19:44 - 157

How about the best mezmer skill that is an assasin skill? Signet of twilight.

Buster

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Elona

Clan Eternal Legion

D/W

12 Jul 2009 at 20:51 - 158

Soul leech - Its fun to see caster keep casting then take a nice dirt nap afterwards.
Feast Of Corruption - Arcane echo this thing and see what happens to their health.

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

14 Jul 2009 at 03:56 - 159

Hundred blades.

Along with order of pain, mark of pain, and whirlwind attack, it's pretty damn good at blowing up mobs.

YunSooJin

Pyromaniac

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

14 Jul 2009 at 05:19 - 160

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

Hundred blades.

Along with order of pain, mark of pain, and whirlwind attack, it's pretty damn good at blowing up mobs.

This skill is really funny in areas like Urgoz :P