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28 Jun 2009 at 15:01 - 121

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeydra

Lol almost the exact same thing happened to me once. Long, long ago one I played a team of 4 syncers with perfect TA bars in RA, and beat them. I told them in AllChat, "gg fags", and got banned for it (actually got banned twice too for the same offense, overturned the second one on appeal). OK, lesson learned, don't use the word "fag". Then not so long later one of my teammates called another one of my teammates "fag" in teamchat. I reported him, and he was banned. OK. Looks like I got the interpretation right. Recently someone else said "fag" in teamchat, and again I reported him. This time he didn't get banned. What the heck? I linked the GM the previous ticket which did result in a ban, and then surprisingly enough the GM tells me that the previous ticket was handled inappropriately. Looks like somewhere along the line what constitutes an insult and what doesn't has changed.

I think what ANet needs is a set of clear rules. For example: it is not bannable to say "fag" in teamchat or private whisper, but it is in AllChat. Great. This sets down limits with no grey area. Without it, ambiguities will simply keep happening.

PS: I think said person should be banned. After all, other people have been banned for things less major, so why shouldn't this guy be?

I love how you report people for the same thing you did and I bet I know why and it has nothing to do with "cleaning up the game". But I'll leave the speculation at the door.

Anet does need to get their own rules straight. How can they expect anyone to follow the rules if even they don't know what they are or if the rules change for different situations.

Also, "Fag" is a childs insult. What simple minded fools use it as adults? I stopped saying fag by age 12 and that was a very long time ago. Now I say fruityass or fruitloop or crotchrot. All of which make my fruityass friends laugh.

My best friend has a gay twin brother. Endless entertainment and lol's to be sure. I normally call him a rainbow warrior but now I guess I need to switch up and call him a carebear.

-And no, I don't have a problem with butthole pirates as long as they are not obnoxious flamers. I just like giving him hell. I'd give him a hard time, but he'd like it too much.

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Originally Posted by Guldur

Anet cant go around banning every single person that swears a single time. This only pisses off players and make them stop playing, and thats something we dont need right now, specially because of carebears who shouldnt be in PvP.

Most of the times the one reporting isnt offended at all, he just wants his little revenge and try to get the other banned. Fortunately Anet isnt falling for it anymore.

Underlined part: Anet doesn't care if people quit. They already have their money and playing the game doesn't pay their bills. The amount of people quitting over being banned due to violations is so small that those players will never be missed. -And carebears don't belong in PVP anymore than jerks do.

Bolded part: Anet is falling for it. People complain daily about being banned for (to them) stupid reasons. If someone gives someone else the chance to report them, they deserve the ban.

How stupid do you have to be to know, "if I do this, I might get banned" and then go ahead and do it. Idiots deserved to get banned.

Mistakes happen but gimme a break. Some things are clearly not mistakes.

Luckily, I can't be bothered to report people for almost anything, otherwise I'd be reporting anyone and everyone in the game who even slightly broke the ToS. Although I have better things to do, like cut my toenails or waste time on forums.

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

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South Pole

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28 Jun 2009 at 15:16 - 122

I'm not at all surprised at their response. If they had banned them, I'd have been banned so many times I would likely be banned from all other NCSoft games.

Frankly, I quite often will use what some may consider "offensive" words during PvP matches (mostly FA and JQ). Most of the time it's caused by a my being stuck with a rather incompetent team. However, I only use them in a general sense, while keeping to more acceptable language if I single someone out.

P.S. If someone is just offended by a word no matter its context, they should keep the Chat Filter on.

NecoLupus

Ascalonian Squire

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Backyard Militia

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28 Jun 2009 at 16:56 - 123

I got banned for whispering someone calling them a nig . ger, innapropiate yes, but by what they're saying here I should not have been.

In my opinion I did deserve it though.

byteme!

Forge Runner

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28 Jun 2009 at 19:33 - 124

Support did the right thing. If I was in their shoes looking over this support ticket I'd probably chuckle a little and then toss it aside because it's a waste of time. I'm not about to sit here and look for tiny lil technicalities ,loops holes or nitpick through the Eula. It's stupid, time consuming and if my loyal customers knew I was wasting their precious dollars on things like this I deserve to be fired on the spot.

If Anet sticks to 1 rule and bans everyone who speaks profanity half of us would not be playing and the other half will follow suit and leave as well leaving a desolate game.

If Carebears start running/changing the landscape of GW2 like they keep doing to GW1 we all might as well find something else to play. I agree with what someone said earlier. Carebears don't belong in PvP. If you feel ruining a person's day(s) by getting them banned because you couldn't handle a lil insult then you're the one with issues. You allowed someone to get under your skin. Shame on you. Go find a nice dark corner and stay there.

There is NO reason to go through this much trouble to get someone banned except out of spite, especially concerning this particular case. Many people have abused this and countless people have been unjustifiably banned in the past. Reporting for the purpose of warning is one thing but reporting with the intent to remove/ban anyone just screams foul unless it's completely justifiable. People work hard and pay good money to have the privilege to play GW, lets not allow one man's vindictive crusade hamper this.

Coney

Wilds Pathfinder

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28 Jun 2009 at 19:46 - 125

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

I was happily playing around in Aspy, when I get called a (carebear)fag.

I have to admit, it sure sounds carebear-ish to me.

Nitpicking the rules, looking for the singleton technicality to
get someone a ban, is somewhat childish.

That's not to say I wouldn't have done the same thing you did, but I doubt I would have...

I would suggest something like this *SHOULD* result in an initial *WARNING* to that player. In fact, their entire report/ban system should have first violations result in a warning. That's how it was in WoW, and usually once someone gets a warning they become overconcerned about not repeating that behavior, as the next time will result in a ban...

You just got tomahawked

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28 Jun 2009 at 20:02 - 126

Can you like not get butt hurt when someone doesn't like you and just suck it up? Why report someone and risk throwing away all the money that person has spent on the account? Sure, they shouldn't say those things but just turn the other cheek.

upier

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28 Jun 2009 at 21:01 - 127

Quote:

Originally Posted by NecoLupus

I got banned for whispering someone calling them a nig . ger, innapropiate yes, but by what they're saying here I should not have been.

In my opinion I did deserve it though.

That's interesting.
Did you say it just once over a PM or was there additional abuse involved?
And considering what Jeydra said, how long ago did that happen?

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Originally Posted by You just got tomahawked

Can you like not get butt hurt when someone doesn't like you and just suck it up? Why report someone and risk throwing away all the money that person has spent on the account? Sure, they shouldn't say those things but just turn the other cheek.

How about if the person thought of the money they spent on their account before spewing out crap?

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Originally Posted by LicensedLuny

TY! That line cracked me up! How would Wednesday be?

Nodakim

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Hrvatska

N/Me

28 Jun 2009 at 21:23 - 128

Calling somebody RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO is racism,not the same as your insult.

upier

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28 Jun 2009 at 21:29 - 129

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nodakim

Calling somebody RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO is racism,not the same as your insult.

As I have said in my first post - this is what I got back:

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Because this was done in private chat and was just a single rude remark, it is best handled by placing the player on the ignore list. This would apply to any singular rude remark.

(Bolded the important part.)
Which is also one of the questions I raised in this thread.

Bryant Again

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28 Jun 2009 at 21:45 - 130

I kind of feel more like this thread is highlighting the double-standards in the bans that've been handed out. Here we have Upier being told that "yeah we're not going to take action over him calling you a single bad name" and to just put him on the ignore list - which I agree with - when there have been supposedly numerous people getting banned for doing just that: saying a bad word.

At least that's what I got from this thread, besides people overlooking the awesomeness over Google's "define:" : p

AngelWJedi

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28 Jun 2009 at 23:49 - 131

so basically if i understand this right. someone can whsp me once and called me B** and i report it they wont do nothing? but if they procede to type me line after line of insults and i report it then they will do something?

and if it the latter it has to all bad words? like i said to inde this runner who didnt like my nice but bad review whsped me mean words. not overaly the top graphic but still if it had been in rl i could have gotten him fired. would that count since he type me more then one line?

IlikeGW

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29 Jun 2009 at 00:56 - 132

That's interesting, because Anet back in the Gaile Gray days would always say that the filter was not an excuse to use offensive language. Apparently it always has been though, which is evident to anyone who played the game anyway. They simply don't take action on anything less than the severest offenders, always has been that way.

Lux Aeterna

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29 Jun 2009 at 01:13 - 133

I generally avoid specific offensive terms, rather choosing to use general profanity when verbally abusing other players in an effort to avoid bans.

Master Ketsu

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29 Jun 2009 at 01:50 - 134

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

I was happily playing around in Aspy, when I get called a (carebear)fag. And it wasn't a good day to call me a fag.
So I took a screenshot, sent it to support explaining them that I do not approve of such behaviour and asking if they could look into it.
A few hours later - I got a response:

And it was this:

Originally Posted by GW Support Team
The screenshot was reviewed. We would not consider the singular remark an actionable violation. Guild Wars has two features that players can use to shield themselves from this type of misbehavior.

- The first is our chat filter system. You can adjust this filter by opening your Options menu ("F11" on your keyboard when logged into the game) and adjusting the setting to either "None," "Normal," or "Maximum."

- The second is our Ignore feature, which can be accessed through the Friends list ("N" on your keyboard when logged into the game). You can add a player to the Ignore list by typing their name into the "Ignored" box and pressing Enter. You will ignore all the characters on that character's account. Please note that there is a limited number of names that can be added to your Ignore list.

We appreciate your support of Guild Wars and your interest in keeping the game world pleasant for all players.

Blah Blah Blah double standards QQ whine complain ect.

This is one of the few times I will completely agree with Anet's support team.

Did someone say something on an online game which you could have filtered or just simply ignored? Did it make you QQ? Who the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO cares. It's text over an online system. It cannot hurt you unless you let it. Only idiots get offended by nonsensical drivel over an online game. Anet has no obligation to be babysitters.

And lets just accept the reality here. You weren't actually offended to the point where you honestly and truly believed that reporting this person was your duty as a EULA abiding outstanding GW player did you? PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTT Of course not! You said so yourself that you were just on a bad day. You just wanted the person to be banned to quell your own ego trip. Reminds me of kindergartners who like to rat other kids out just so they can enjoy watching them get punished. Sad.

If the GM turned around and banned you for wasting his\her time, that would have been lulz.

upier

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29 Jun 2009 at 07:52 - 135

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master Ketsu

You weren't actually offended to the point where you honestly and truly believed that reporting this person was your duty as a EULA abiding outstanding GW player did you? PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTT Of course not! You said so yourself that you were just on a bad day. You just wanted the person to be banned to quell your own ego trip. Reminds me of kindergartners who like to rat other kids out just so they can enjoy watching them get punished. Sad.

If the GM turned around and banned you for wasting his\her time, that would have been lulz.

Since the rules state that:

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You may not use sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, or racially or ethnically offensive language.

I don't see why I'd need to be offended by their words for an action to follow?
And why would it then play a role how many times a rude remark was uttered? If I am not offended by it the first time, why would they look into it if it was said multiple times, yet I still wouldn't be offended by it?

The way I understood their response was that the word "fag" does not fall into the category of acceptable words. Otherwise one could go go around screaming "fag" at everyone and NEVER get banned.
So I really do not see where this "boo hoo hoo, the guy didn't do anything wrong, and you should have never reported him" comes from.

pumpkin pie

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29 Jun 2009 at 08:21 - 136

Quote:

Originally Posted by AngelWJedi

so basically if i understand this right. someone can whsp me once and called me B** and i report it they wont do nothing? but if they procede to type me line after line of insults and i report it then they will do something?

and if it the latter it has to all bad words? like i said to inde this runner who didnt like my nice but bad review whsped me mean words. not overaly the top graphic but still if it had been in rl i could have gotten him fired. would that count since he type me more then one line?

See, according to the ArenaNet Support's logic, they still won't do a thing about it, because you "should have put them on ignore"

Still Number One

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29 Jun 2009 at 12:43 - 137

Quote:

Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

See, according to the ArenaNet Support's logic, they still won't do a thing about it, because you "should have put them on ignore"

But what if your ignore list is full....

Ghost Omel

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29 Jun 2009 at 12:51 - 138

Quote:

Originally Posted by Still Number One

But what if your ignore list is full....

No 1 will stalk you forever remove the first entry...

2 being offended by a word or 2 or 3 is silly.... ignoring is the best way to do it even if the ignore list is full just not paying attention is a way out

3 ITS A game and online interaction is not rated so the excuse.. "Uhh, ma kid is playing here and i could not let him see da words ya know" escuse is just silly and holds no value at all.

4. Reporting for that is silly... Reporting scammers, botters leechers will do more good.

5. You have sadi those words yourself and should be banned according to your logic...in REAL LIFE.. Do you get shot for saying stuff like that.. (Unless you live in certain areas)?

Grow some dignity be more mature// there is alwasy a way out even if person doesnt wana listen them talkign to them repectuflly igonring the rude remarks will make them bored of insulting you

I Ignore list is 0

I have had made so many "enemies" over the years and none of them came back to bother me even after one ruined my guild and second took my officer position and 3rd scammed my friend and yada yada yada...

Nodakim

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Hrvatska

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29 Jun 2009 at 13:50 - 139

I think somebody should go cry in a corner.
Are you so easily offended that one word and you scream "ban him,he is hurting me!!".
Jish,being so hurt over a word over the internet,i cant imagine what would happen if he called you that in real life.

Come one
Note.Not realy talking about OP,just in general about crybabys.

Dronte

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29 Jun 2009 at 14:31 - 140

You seriously reported someone with a screen because he called you a fag? Congratz.

NoXiFy

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29 Jun 2009 at 14:35 - 141

Support gets payed $6.50 an hour to find a auto-response to your question. About 7 months ago a fellow NCsoft support person told me that it's legal to sell your account on eBay, even though I showed him the exact section in the EULA that states that this action is illegal.

oscarmac

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29 Jun 2009 at 20:18 - 142

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

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The way I understood their response was that the word "fag" does not fall into the category of acceptable words. Otherwise one could go go around screaming "fag" at everyone and NEVER get banned.
So I really do not see where this "boo hoo hoo, the guy didn't do anything wrong, and you should have never reported him" comes from.

This "boo hoo hoo, the guy didn't do anything wrong, and you should have never reported him" comes from the fact this was such a minor incident it should not have been reported.

This has nothing to do with the word "fag". By the tone of his comment you should be equally offended by "carebear".

Find a different group. Put him on ignore. Or tell him to go F himself. Whatever, just get on with your life, which is pretty much what Support told you to do. It was the right call.

Cluebag

Academy Page

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29 Jun 2009 at 22:37 - 143

Remember former US senator George Allen from VA, and the whole "macaca" scandal? I'm sure he thought it was a minor incident as well, calling that guy that name in an offhand, derogatory manner.

Just because YOU don't necessarily think a benign comment (in your opinion) merits action, it doesn't mean that anyone who doesn't feel like being subjected to your shitful behavior has to tolerate your uncivilized/disrespectful ways.

There are certain no-no's which Anet is pretty clear about, like impersonating a dev, or participating in hate speech type activites. Other things they are less clear towards, it would seem.

Imo, there should be a warning system in place. Did the comment by the insult-er merit a ban? Well, in the absence of a warning system... sure, why not, RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO that guy. Maybe he'll think twice next time before behaving like a a little jerk. Then when he comes to the boards boo-hoo'ing about getting banned, all his peers (trolls) could go "lawl" and "pwnt" and all that junk, and he'd be less inclined to behave like a punk in the future. Maybe he'll learn to not be a giant turd and exercise some self-restraint next time a situation would call for hollering at someone.

All the non-ban does, now that ppl are aware of Anet's stance on calling people fags, is encourage would-be fag-callers to start calling everyone fags. Cause hey, that guy's allowed to do it, sounds like permission to me...

Arkantos

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29 Jun 2009 at 23:05 - 144

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavv

What you guys attacking upier fail to realise is that he isnt QQing about being called a bad word.

The point is that according to support, you can whisper the word 'fag' to 100 people and no action will be taken against that person.

Then what exactly is he complaining for? Because someone who called him a fag wasn't banned? And no, I doubt ANet wouldn't do anything to someone who called 100 people a fag, assuming a few of them reported. But of course if no one reports, no one gets banned.

Quote:

1. Inclusion of a chat filter is not permission to use profanity or offensive language. In the game, if you use either, you run the chance of being reported and banned. Don't "Q.Q" when you get banned for being an idiot.

The chat filter doesn't give people permission to verbally abuse others, but it does give permission to use 'offensive' language. That's why there's no option to report someone for swearing.

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What the hell happened to common courtesy?

Common courtesy usually leaves once someone gets on the internet. Anonymity + audience = idiot. I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying that's the way it is.

If someone calls you an offensive name and you get offended, report them and put them on ignore. Depending on what they called you, don't be surprised if ANet does nothing.

Bryant Again

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29 Jun 2009 at 23:13 - 145

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

Then what exactly is he complaining for?

Upier's complaining???

Arkantos

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29 Jun 2009 at 23:18 - 146

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Upier's complaining???

Read the quote wrong, my bad.

He's not complaining, he's just telling us how support handled this.

CyberNigma

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29 Jun 2009 at 23:52 - 147

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

I was happily playing around in Aspy, when I get called a (carebear)fag. And it wasn't a good day to call me a fag.

Ok, I'm not quite following something here in your statement. Why is carebear in parenthesis? Did he call you a carebear and you are interpreting it to mean fag? If so, the customer support folks were actually probaby laughing their asses off at you. The term carebear used in MMOs usually means either someone that needs their hand held in a game or more commonly someone that always wants something handed to them/easy. Hardcore players usually call players that want the game easier carebears..

I'm just not understanding why you put it like that - (carebear)fag. I'm thinking you don't mean it the other way around - someone called you a fag and you think it means they called you a carebear.

??

either way people can be asses online. calling someone either a carebear or a fag is not the right thing to do, but ANet would probably be less likely to action someone for calling another player a carebear than they would a fag.

Alias_X

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30 Jun 2009 at 00:02 - 148

What did you do to make them say this to you? Surely you did something.

Foe

Banned

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30 Jun 2009 at 00:23 - 149

I dont understand. The OP is claiming he is not a faggot? This thread is as close to hard evidence as you will find outside pics of him blowing his brother.

Im glad that even the obnoxiously "pc" GM's at Anet thought your claim of hurt feelings was too faggoty for even them to stomach.

Nerel

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30 Jun 2009 at 00:55 - 150

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoXiFy

Support gets payed $6.50 an hour to find a auto-response to your question. About 7 months ago a fellow NCsoft support person told me that it's legal to sell your account on eBay, even though I showed him the exact section in the EULA that states that this action is illegal.

The support person was right, you were wrong. Game companies EULA vs the Supreme Court waving the
First-sale doctrine, even Microsoft wouldn't win that one.

edit: wait... "fellow NCsoft support person" you work for NCsoft support and you don't know this?

Nodakim

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Hrvatska

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30 Jun 2009 at 01:46 - 151

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foe

I dont understand. The OP is claiming he is not a faggot? This thread is as close to hard evidence as you will find outside pics of him blowing his brother.

Im glad that even the obnoxiously "pc" GM's at Anet thought your claim of hurt feelings was too faggoty for even them to stomach.

I loled so hard.
And still am.

Magikarp

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30 Jun 2009 at 02:20 - 152

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nodakim

I loled so hard.
And still am.

haha me too. 1234

Megas XLR

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30 Jun 2009 at 02:27 - 153

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magikarp

haha me too. 1234

im rolling my face around on the keyboard in laughter too

Jetdoc

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30 Jun 2009 at 04:20 - 154

Personally, I think that several of you (especially long-time posters) are highly overreacting in this situation. Yes, upier encountered an immature (or insensitive) player. Yes, what the other player said was inappropriate. No, it was not worth a "ban". It was an ill-advised remark made in the middle of playing the game. It was not a series of repeated, derogatory remarks. It did not continue beyond a single remark. And, in my opinion, it was not of such a highly inflammatory nature that would cause the typical player severe emotional harm.

Those are the items that the GM likely took into account when responding to upier. And I personally believe it was the right call. It is very easy to draw parallels from one situation to another, to try the "slippery slope" argument, or to even articulate the letter of the law to demand an irrational result. It is much harder to instill reason and common sense in such a situation.

I'm glad that several others in this thread have tried to go down the harder path.

Burst Cancel

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30 Jun 2009 at 07:09 - 155

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerel

The support person was right, you were wrong. Game companies EULA vs the Supreme Court waving the
First-sale doctrine, even Microsoft wouldn't win that one.

edit: wait... "fellow NCsoft support person" you work for NCsoft support and you don't know this?

The law is not as clear on this point as you seem to be implying. While the first-sale doctrine ostensibly applies in cases where the purchaser has not actually used the product or otherwise consented to the EULA, that set of facts will not generally apply to game accounts, where the user has explicitly agreed to the terms of the EULA in order to play the game. Even the oft-mentioned 2008 Autodesk case is not directly on-point, as it involved a reseller of used software, rather than the original purchaser/licensee; it is furthermore not at all clear that the Autodesk decision would necessarily withstand Supreme Court review, given conflicting case law. In short, this is still a legal gray area - to the surprise of no one, I'm sure.

Usual disclaimers apply: this is not legal advice, I am not your lawyer, etc.

upier

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30 Jun 2009 at 08:06 - 156

Quote:

Originally Posted by oscarmac

This "boo hoo hoo, the guy didn't do anything wrong, and you should have never reported him" comes from the fact this was such a minor incident it should not have been reported.

This has nothing to do with the word "fag". By the tone of his comment you should be equally offended by "carebear".

Find a different group. Put him on ignore. Or tell him to go F himself. Whatever, just get on with your life, which is pretty much what Support told you to do. It was the right call.

It was an incident that involved, what I consider, and nothing I received from support does negate this, inappropriate language.
The only thing I did not know was that A.Net considers it such a minor incident that they choose to not punish the person that did it.
But that doesn't mean this shouldn't be reported. It just means I shouldn't expect the perpetrator getting punished.

(And once again - the simple fact that he called me a fag, does not give me the right to unload a shitstorm of profanities on him. There is a system in place for dealing with this - and I took advantage of it.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foe

I dont understand. The OP is claiming he is not a faggot? This thread is as close to hard evidence as you will find outside pics of him blowing his brother.

Im glad that even the obnoxiously "pc" GM's at Anet thought your claim of hurt feelings was too faggoty for even them to stomach.

So if one calls someone out there the n-word and if that person happens to be black, they have nothing to complain about? So the n-word is just abusive and obscene if it's said to people who aren't black?
Otherwise it's just a fitting description, right?

pumpkin pie

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30 Jun 2009 at 08:20 - 157

Why not take away all the filters and let players deal with profanity themselves, you know a typing war!

Who knows might turn into a fun 1 vs 1 PvP that take place right in the middle of Kamadan or Lion's Arch. Would be extreme fun.

Nerel

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Australia, what you want my home address?

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30 Jun 2009 at 11:07 - 158

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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel

The law is not as clear on this point as you seem to be implying. While the first-sale doctrine ostensibly applies in cases where the purchaser has not actually used the product or otherwise consented to the EULA, that set of facts will not generally apply to game accounts, where the user has explicitly agreed to the terms of the EULA in order to play the game. Even the oft-mentioned 2008 Autodesk case is not directly on-point, as it involved a reseller of used software, rather than the original purchaser/licensee; it is furthermore not at all clear that the Autodesk decision would necessarily withstand Supreme Court review, given conflicting case law. In short, this is still a legal gray area - to the surprise of no one, I'm sure.

Usual disclaimers apply: this is not legal advice, I am not your lawyer, etc.

The AutoCAD reseller was just a guy who made a living reselling used comics, software and games... he purchased second hand copies of the relevant software, and then resold them on Ebay.

The judge in question quite correctly ruled that the company was selling a product (the software) and NOT a license to use the software, and that the eBay merchant did indeed have the right to resell it, irregardless of any restrictions against such action in the licensing agreement.

EULA or other licensing agreements do not restrict your legal rights to resell your property.

On the other hand, Anet (or other game companies) have no obligation to retain server side data, that is to say they could wipe the account clean (removing any value that an Ebayer might try to gain from selling a loaded account).

Anyway, all off topic, other than to point out NCsoft support should know better. Indeed, such misinformation from software vendors is illegal in some countries...

qvtkc

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

30 Jun 2009 at 12:42 - 159

So yeah... I report gold sellers sometimes. And I report leechers, but only when I think I can get the rest of the team to report them too. I wouldn't want to get dishonor points.

Reporting someone for something he says though...? No. He has his opinions, I have mine... I respect his, whatever they are, and regardless of his respect for mine. He's just a random internet person anyway, I don't need recognition from him. If he's stalking me though... That's something else. Then he ends up on the ignore list = problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Nerel

The support person was right, you were wrong. Game companies EULA vs the Supreme Court waving the
First-sale doctrine, even Microsoft wouldn't win that one.

edit: wait... "fellow NCsoft support person" you work for NCsoft support and you don't know this?

It's legal, but they can still cancel your account if they find out, since they have the right to cancel it just because they feel like it.

Ghost Omel

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

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30 Jun 2009 at 12:52 - 160

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Originally Posted by upier

So if one calls someone out there the n-word and if that person happens to be black, they have nothing to complain about? So the n-word is just abusive and obscene if it's said to people who aren't black?

Otherwise it's just a fitting description, right?

Really? WoW oh... you mean n-word in United States oh ok...

Because in Ukraine/Russia/Poland when you call some what n-word.. It means that they are from Nigerea or any other African country. And the word it self just discribes the persons race.. Strange my Ukranina "Black" friends never killed me when i called them that ( Those 2 dudes.. Alex, Viktor.. shalom amigos) and there is actually a cute way of saying it because being an african is an exotic thing and usually is easier to find a job that way there. We must be playing strictly American game here -_-
If anything if i called them "black" there they would get offended because id judge them by their colour not their ethnisity.

In Any case.. Stick to the sexual orientation examples or mental lvl please.

No personal attack i just find it amusing how narrow minded a meaning of one work in ONE country can make a person seem narrowminded as well.