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Devastating Flames

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2008

The Canthan Defenders

E/Mo

06 Jul 2009 at 23:08 - 41

very little if anything i don't think it will happen till august

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristlebane

Shadow Form: reduced recharge time to 30 seconds. Functionality changed to: "For 4...9 seconds, all hostile spells that target you fail and all attacks against you miss, but you deal 33% less damage. When Shadow Form ends, lose all but 5...41 Health. Shadow Form refreshes every time you land a critical hit. This skill is disabled for 30 seconds."

i like that the critical would make it a lot harder but it may have to be reduced duration cause sins would be able to go perma by just critical eye and high crit chance. mabye 5 seconds

mazza558

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

R/

06 Jul 2009 at 23:17 - 42

If rits get toned down, I want to see ALL the imba builds from other professions being nerfed too. It's just unfair if rits get toned down whilst imbagons, permaform, and all the other builds still exist. After all, rits would have barely received a month of fun before that being taken away.

Bristlebane

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

Mo/

06 Jul 2009 at 23:21 - 43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devastating Flames

i like that the critical would make it a lot harder but it may have to be reduced duration cause sins would be able to go perma by just critical eye and high crit chance. mabye 5 seconds

That's true, but I'm OK with this new type of permasins as they could only maintain it in combat. Even the health loss can be removed. It would limit perma to weapon attacks and not spells, and they can't be perma while running unless they wait out the recharge after each group of foes.

testingwalker

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2007

America

06 Jul 2009 at 23:22 - 44

It is modified democracy......!!!

WE complain and vote on the things to change. THEY decide wheather to change it or not!

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

06 Jul 2009 at 23:24 - 45

I predict there won't be one this month. And then there will be another giant QQ fest.

Mad Lord of Milk

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2009

Dishonorable Hall of Fame

R/W

06 Jul 2009 at 23:24 - 46

Dude nerf Brutal Weapon? WTF? You're obviously insane

dusanyu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2007

Illusion of skillz [Iz]

W/E

06 Jul 2009 at 23:27 - 47

only thing on the above list worth agreeing with is Shadow form and not because I care about PvE I just enjoy PvEers with tears in there eyes.

brutal weapon never seen this skill being used (passably because it is terrible) so not worth mucking with

Savannah Heat this skill needed to die its dead and another Gimmick bites the dust

Order of Undeath um who cares minions are bad in real PvP and they are a huge cause of over agro in PvE

Anet is removing Heros from Organized PvP deal with it it needs to be done it is PLAYER vs PLAYER

Braxton619

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

A/W

06 Jul 2009 at 23:33 - 48

1. Nerf Discord.

2 second casting time
15 energy
20 second recharge

If target foe is suffering from blind and under the effects of a necromancer hex, that foe suffers 5...70 damage.

Seriosly discord needs the nerf. People are abusing it for PvE.

2. Nerf RoJ (PvP only)

2 second casting time
25 energy
30 second recharge

For 5 seconds, target foe and all foes adjacent to this location take 5...30 holy damage each second if they are not suffering from a condition or hex.

The reason for this, I am SICK AND TIRED, of seeing monks in AB with RoJ and someone snares you with Deep Freeze or cripped, and you take all the damage. First of all take off the burning. Second, make it so you can at least escape it.

3. Make ALL blocking skills stances.

The reason for this, I AM TIRED of rangers and mesmers spamming Distortion or blocking skills. It's so bad now, in pvp, you pretty much need Wild Blow.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

06 Jul 2009 at 23:35 - 49

I predict it will be something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36pFj5w-mu4
And then people will poke their brains out with a pointed stick and eat them.

Hm... Ok, Ok, I'll try to do it right... let's see...
* Some Speed Clear hindering.
* Then more Speed Clear hindering.
* And after than even more Speed Clear hindering.
* Some tweaks in some ritualist skills.
* Some changes to mesmers and dervishes too, at least in PvE.
* Eh... "changes in skills". Yeah, I predict at least one or two functionality changes.
* Some kind of RAAAAAGE. Or at least an uproar.
* Apologies for something.
* And then this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_v468ptuXw

My Palantír went black, I can't see anything else...

Don't look at me like that, I'm as astonished as you. I think I'm going to sue the guy that sold it to me.

MMSDome

Raged Out

Join Date: Sep 2005

06 Jul 2009 at 23:42 - 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by English Warrior

You are all such negative people, Anet nerf things that need to be nerfed i predict this will happen.
Apart from Mind Blast, why would they nerf it?
They nerfed SH last balance now if they nerf MB they are pushing Fire eles out of pvp, and MB makes a different Meta, if we didnt have this all we would see is Me/N and Hexes....

This is a riverside skill balance discussion. Intelligence here is like a fish walking around in a desert.

MinionMaster7

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2009

N/Mo

06 Jul 2009 at 23:43 - 51

Leet Tankur, not only is that completely nerfing Discord, but it is making it completely unusable... It is an elite for goodness sake. All they would have to do to nerf it would to increase the casting time to 2secs OR increase the energy to 10, whilst leaving the dmg the same... Discord isn't a problem IMO because it is not as useful in PvP/ is extremely conditional and easy to counter via condition removal or hex removal... I agree with Shadow Form being nerfed however...

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Event Organiser and IRC Tiger

Ex Talionis [Law], Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] ????????????????&#

W/

06 Jul 2009 at 23:51 - 52

Shadow Form:

25e
3c
60r

Done.

SUPERMAN`

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2009

06 Jul 2009 at 23:55 - 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by testingwalker

The list below please DO NOT TOUCH

1. Removing heroes from HA/GVG
reason: If you ever go to HA on international district. It is compeletly dead after certain hour. It is sometimes extremely hard to find a team or even to pug a team. For those who are new to pvp they are extremely desperate to find a group to play with. If A-net remove heroes from the HA it would be difficult or almost impossible for those low ranked members to play. In addition for those who complained about the heroes are those who got beat by them. I mean seriously, if someone would ever complain about something is either they got beaten by them or got frustrated by them. If you can beat people using heroes than why are you still complaining that people using them?

Uh...wrong. It's player vs player, not player vs player (and heroes)

Quote:

Originally Posted by testingwalker

If A-net remove heroes from the HA it would be difficult or almost impossible for those low ranked members to play

If you seriously want to start HA'ing after the game has been out for 4 years, then you shouldn't even be playing it.

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Event Organiser and IRC Tiger

Ex Talionis [Law], Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] ????????????????&#

W/

06 Jul 2009 at 23:58 - 54

This doesn't need its own thread, so I'm gonna merge it with the other whiney nerf thread.

EDIT: K DUN!

x sithis x

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2009

[Pro]

N/

07 Jul 2009 at 00:12 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Show Some Skin

So i was thinking the other day...if they DO nerf Shadow Form, it wont really fix anything right? Like if they make it longer recharge, assassin speed clears or whatever are done untill people find another way to do it without SF. And it wont really fix the game economy because the prices of "elite" weapons such as ambraces, froggy scepters, BDS, and things like that will still be the same price and the only people that will be able to afford them will be the people that did SF farming and have stacks of ectos. Is this kinda true or am i missing something?

not true at all ... people will form better teams than sf gimmick teams, personally i cant wait for them to nerf it, i think it will be in the the august update though, i really want b/p to come back into style, revert splinter weapon T.T lol , make some necro buffs too, they havent been shown love that much lately just nerfs lol

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

07 Jul 2009 at 00:23 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

Rupture Soul
Spell. Target allied ANIMATED CREATURE is destroyed. All nearby enemies are struck for 50...122 lightning damage and become blinded for 3...10 seconds.

Yeah. Spawning power affects all created or animated creatures. It skills that affect creatures should affect all animated or created creatures. Just with lesser effects in the case of minions. But the same effect for nature spirits and asura summons (which actually create polymok pieces instead summoning real creatures). Ebon Vanguard assassins are left out, they are actual summons not affected by Spawning power.

x sithis x

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2009

[Pro]

N/

07 Jul 2009 at 00:29 - 57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leet Tankur

1. Nerf Discord.

2 second casting time
15 energy
20 second recharge

If target foe is suffering from blind and under the effects of a necromancer hex, that foe suffers 5...70 damage.

Seriosly discord needs the nerf. People are abusing it for PvE.

umm yeah... someone is mad cuz they dont have nf or eotn so they cant d-way & find me another good build for human necros in pve, i love running discord along side my heros & there is more things that are to overpowered in pve, "SY!" = pretty much cant die, just put a recharge on it, shadowform= invincability, i wanna see this thing nerfed to smithereens but i do love knowing i can get at leaste 1 ecto every 20 min

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Event Organiser and IRC Tiger

Ex Talionis [Law], Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] ????????????????&#

W/

07 Jul 2009 at 00:33 - 58

Leet Tankur is right, stop complaining. Discord is ridiculous.

ElexAio

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2009

Blade and Rose

07 Jul 2009 at 00:41 - 59

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetalMan

what?

I agree brutal needs to be toned down a bit but... the downside is pretty big. It has no effect while your enchanted, and enchantments are used on quite a lot of builds. SoH could be used with other damage enchancing buffs, such as Conjures, with no downsides, which is why it was nerfed

In addition to this, brutal weapon isn't set it and forget it like SoH was (of course with SoH's -1 energy regen). So you must keep recasting. All these things together I believe make brutal weapon pleanty balanced. Maybe take a few points of damage off, but not much.

slowerpoke

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2007

Cuba

07 Jul 2009 at 00:41 - 60

discord already pretty horrible, requiring hex & condition on target
longer recharge if you want it to be less spammy. more energy is pointless for a necro

MagmaRed

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2007

Our Crabs Know True [LOVE]

R/

07 Jul 2009 at 02:01 - 61

Discord doesn't bother me too much, as it already has a fairly steep requirement (needing a hex AND condition). However, if it were to be nerfed, I think a Word of Censure style nerf would suit it. If the target is below a certain health level (50%, 33%, etc.) then it has a 20 second recharge.

NoXiFy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

★☆٭Ńēŵ~ŶờЯК٭☆★

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

Mo/Me

07 Jul 2009 at 02:23 - 62

Discord is NOT op. It's actually really bad in PvE imo, compared to other skills you can take. First off, it needs a hex AND a condition to work. That means if theirs more then 1 monk there could be a problem in the group your fighting. And secondly... it's not AoE! AoE = key to PvE.

akio pwns

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

ny

[KISS]

D/

07 Jul 2009 at 02:50 - 63

discord was used for spikes in triple necro builds so that it be easy to kill a foe in less then 4 seconds and get energy back and redo. It doesnt need a nerf, Since you have to do two things before spamming. IF it didnt require a hex and condition then i would /agree to nerf it.

Stop your QQ over it, if you think its

Quote:

Leet Tankur is right, stop complaining. Discord is ridiculous.
Today 08:29 PM

then your just stupid. Did you read the skill descriptionhe suggested? Blind and under effects of a hex? Tell me what necro skill makes you blind... none. The damdage is even deducted. I can name a few skills that would give more damadge then that, i mean Wastrel's Worry is not even an elite and you can spam it for upto 100 damadge.ROFL you can keep it putting it on since its got a faster recast, and usually ends early because of skill use. Dont QQ over an ELITE which is primarly used on heros.

That scythe idea was NB but too much on relying people to use runes. Just make some skills in mysticism which can be useful. IMAO rangers,assassins and warriors use it better with more defense while putting it out with the scythe then a derv. I dont think a derv can really dish out the damadge with a sword or daggers as a primary warrior or sin can.

Dervs, paragons get a boost. Shadow form gets a small redux, some pvp nerfs, the usual. Been complaining to gaile to do something about dervs for such a long time.

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

07 Jul 2009 at 02:53 - 64

If anything is OP about discord, it's really assassin's promise. WTB "your assassin skills are recharged."

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Event Organiser and IRC Tiger

Ex Talionis [Law], Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] ????????????????&#

W/

07 Jul 2009 at 03:04 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by akio pwns

discord was used for spikes in triple necro builds so that it be easy to kill a foe in less then 4 seconds and get energy back and redo. It doesnt need a nerf, Since you have to do two things before spamming. IF it didnt require a hex and condition then i would /agree to nerf it.

Stop your QQ over it, if you think its then your just stupid. Did you read the skill descriptionhe suggested? Blind and under effects of a hex? Tell me what necro skill makes you blind... none. The damdage is even deducted. I can name a few skills that would give more damadge then that, i mean Wastrel's Worry is not even an elite and you can spam it for upto 100 damadge.ROFL you can keep it putting it on since its got a faster recast, and usually ends early because of skill use. Dont QQ over an ELITE which is primarly used on heros.

That scythe idea was NB but too much on relying people to use runes. Just make some skills in mysticism which can be useful. IMAO rangers,assassins and warriors use it better with more defense while putting it out with the scythe then a derv. I dont think a derv can really dish out the damadge with a sword or daggers as a primary warrior or sin can.

Dervs, paragons get a boost. Shadow form gets a small redux, some pvp nerfs, the usual. Been complaining to gaile to do something about dervs for such a long time.

The point of his change wasn't to make Discord bad but usable, it was to destroy it. Which it did. You clearly missed the point.

Reverend Dr

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Super Fans Of Gaile [ban]

W/

07 Jul 2009 at 03:04 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenix

Shadow Form:

25e
3c
60r

Done.

Stance.

Done.

As for Discord, there is a reason it already has been changed a lot for PvP.

Owik Gall

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guardians of the Light

W/Mo

07 Jul 2009 at 03:23 - 67

I would think that when Anet DOES get to a skill update they might as well target popular solo farming builds. CoF is a famous one because although the monk does need another for healing and such, it overall means one player does all the work and does a great job at that. Evidence for this theory is the recent nerf to keg farming. It used to be quick and efficient, but now it's a prolonged process, making this type of farming not so tempting now. (Although I hear it still works if you're patient.)

CoF run builds aren't the only solo builds exposed, though. I hear Perma Sins are still flourishing. Ranger or other runners still make money from their solo runs, but that has been a long time happening so who knows if Anet will actually do something about that one now.

My point is this: If there's any profitable farming, easy dungeon running, fast quest/mission completing solo builds are out there and discovered, than Anet may point their nerf assault riffle cross hair guns at them. The exception to this is if Anet doesn't consider any of them as exploits or an issue to be dealt with.... yet.

Khazad Guard

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2007

Australia

No Loitering In The Guild [Hall]

E/

07 Jul 2009 at 03:59 - 68

*Shadow Form (PvE): recharge time increased to 90 seconds, Energy cost increased to 25, duration reduced to 5 seconds.

Shadow Form is a key skill in PvE farming teams that are generally overpowered and which strongly discouraged other builds. The combination of near-invulnerability, speed to clear an area, and increase in the Assassins population invalidated a lot of alternative builds within PvE and has had a negative impact on dwindling PvE creature populations.

We recognize that the changes to this skill will essentially remove it from play. In the future, we may consider whether or not there is an incarnation of this skill that would be viable but balanced. For now, we do not expect it to see serious use.

Amnel Ithtirsol

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2008

AU

League Of The Fallen

Mo/

07 Jul 2009 at 04:50 - 69

Nerfs:
SF: Removed from skills list.
(With SF gone... Budger un-nerfed? ^^ )

Protective Spirit: Cannot self target.
Shield of Absorption: Cannot self target.

Possible Nerf to Assassins Promise?
Maybe Soul Reaping toned down a bit more. No need to touch Discord then.

Buffs:
I like the idea about the +Adjacent Foes hit per rank in Myst for dervs mentioned here before

Like someone else also pointed out, maybe add some additional IAS for dervs as well. Make them fun to play with again.

Bug Fixes:
Signet of spirits.

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

07 Jul 2009 at 06:31 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

Stance.

Done.

As for Discord, there is a reason it already has been changed a lot for PvP.

Or just add this skill is disabled for 90 seconds.

Also, I wouldn't mind seeing Assassin's Promise recharge only assassin skills.

Bristlebane

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

Mo/

07 Jul 2009 at 06:34 - 71

Making Shadow Form into a stance would be the worst fix ever:

Dwarven Stability: (24...29 seconds.) Your stances last 55...91% longer. You cannot be knocked-down if you activated this skill while drunk.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

07 Jul 2009 at 06:42 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnel Ithtirsol

Possible Nerf to Assassins Promise?
Maybe Soul Reaping toned down a bit more. No need to touch Discord then.

I am going with this guy.

ChocoboLIVE

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2009

Siege Turtle Repossesions Inc

W/A

07 Jul 2009 at 10:34 - 73

Lol, someone too much ego. The whole concept PvE need a works to do...

And to Euro peeps. Need always nerf the build I just builded. Sound you guys need more than stupid goverment.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

07 Jul 2009 at 10:42 - 74

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kain Fz

...
If even the PARAGON ... uses the scythes better...

You've got me curious.

Dronte

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Sep 2006

07 Jul 2009 at 10:47 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leet Tankur

1. Nerf Discord.

2 second casting time
15 energy
20 second recharge

If target foe is suffering from blind and under the effects of a necromancer hex, that foe suffers 5...70 damage.

Seriosly discord needs the nerf. People are abusing it for PvE.

2. Nerf RoJ (PvP only)

2 second casting time
25 energy
30 second recharge

For 5 seconds, target foe and all foes adjacent to this location take 5...30 holy damage each second if they are not suffering from a condition or hex.

The reason for this, I am SICK AND TIRED, of seeing monks in AB with RoJ and someone snares you with Deep Freeze or cripped, and you take all the damage. First of all take off the burning. Second, make it so you can at least escape it.

3. Make ALL blocking skills stances.

The reason for this, I AM TIRED of rangers and mesmers spamming Distortion or blocking skills. It's so bad now, in pvp, you pretty much need Wild Blow.

1. No point nerfing discord now. And if they buffed rit spirits so much they wont nerf discord.

2. Stop crying about ROJ, its not stronger than SH or anything. If you got deep freezed in SH you also die. Also, Anet and most of pvpers dont care about AB. Go bring an interrupt if you dont wanna die in AoE lol.

3. Thats just no.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnel Ithtirsol

Nerfs:
SF: Removed from skills list.
(With SF gone... Budger un-nerfed? ^^ )

Protective Spirit: Cannot self target.
Shield of Absorption: Cannot self target.

Possible Nerf to Assassins Promise?
Maybe Soul Reaping toned down a bit more. No need to touch Discord then.

Remove SF so you can still farm with budger on your other characters? They didnt nerf it because of SF, rather because the farm itself was too fast (+leg survivor).

PS and SoA: I hope you are not being serious here, even if you are thinking only about pve (looks like you do). No problem with these skills at all.

You cant rly tone down Soul Reaping even more, the whole concept of SR is broken.

Kronos Ledaloth

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2007

Italy

Spirits From Hell [SH]

E/P

07 Jul 2009 at 10:50 - 76

PvE:

They said that they're gonna nerf all SC runs: Perma will get a nerf, 600hp will get a nerf? I don't think this a good idea to stop the farm on areas like UW, lots of retard aren't able to play simply builds like permasins, pug runs are still hard to get completed.

PvP:

They'll probably finally kick heroes from here.
They'll probably do nothing else of good.

Bug John

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

07 Jul 2009 at 11:28 - 77

seriously, why would anyone want discord nerfed ?

I can understand (although I do not agree) that some people are jealous of the money others make when farming using SC or solo builds, but what about discord, scythes ?

any decent build has to be nerfed just because it is decent ?

stick to your builds and let others play the way they want ><

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnel Ithtirsol

Nerfs:
SF: Removed from skills list.
(With SF gone... Budger un-nerfed? ^^ )

Protective Spirit: Cannot self target.
Shield of Absorption: Cannot self target.

hurray, I finally found someone that fails more than Izzy

90% of GW population is happy with the current state of PvE, but as usual, the remaining 10% is full of loudmouths that never miss a chance to QQ everywhere

what about BUFFS ? does this word belong to your vocabulary anymore ?

there are so many useless skills in this game, and you're still asking for nerfs ?

Anet should keep on what they started last month with spirits and paragons

Amnel Ithtirsol

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2008

AU

League Of The Fallen

Mo/

07 Jul 2009 at 12:35 - 78

Quote: