If someone offered you an item that was purple, yet exactly the same skin as it's gold counterpart, would you buy it for the same price?
Some examples here can be the Fellblade, and the Greater Guardian Spear, among others.
If not then why do you value the gold version over the purple if the skin and mods are exactly the same?
If you value the gold versions more over the purple versions, why don't you buy the purple versions as you can obviously get the same skin but at a cheaper price?
Purple or Gold?
Unreal Havoc
Grim Aragorn
me personally, i really don't care but if im buying it and plan on reselling down the road i would def get gold because much easier to sell. Personal use, purple doesn't bother me
4thVariety
The only skins still worth a damn do not have purple versions. So the question really doe not apply an more. If you think you can make a business trading purple items then forget it. If you want to buy a purple skin, forget that too, you will find most skins dirt cheap in their gold version.
Except for those really expensive skins, but as I said, there are no purple Voltaic Spears and other skins of that caliber. Except for Purple Crystalline Swords. But even they hardly ever get traded or are worth the hassle trading them.
Except for those really expensive skins, but as I said, there are no purple Voltaic Spears and other skins of that caliber. Except for Purple Crystalline Swords. But even they hardly ever get traded or are worth the hassle trading them.
Unreal Havoc
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Originally Posted by 4thVariety
The only skins still worth a damn do not have purple versions. So the question really doe not apply an more. If you think you can make a business trading purple items then forget it. If you want to buy a purple skin, forget that too, you will find most skins dirt cheap in their gold version.
Except for those really expensive skins, but as I said, there are no purple Voltaic Spears and other skins of that caliber. Except for Purple Crystalline Swords. But even they hardly ever get traded or are worth the hassle trading them. |
I just wanted to see if people valued purple counterparts of weapons at the same value of the gold versions or not and why.
MagmaRed
I have purchased purple weapons in the past, but nothing of a 'rare' skin and not for an equivalent price of a gold version. Color isn't important to me, stats are. However, I would NEVER pay the same price for a purple item as a gold one, even if the stats were the same.
Unreal Havoc
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Originally Posted by MagmaRed
I have purchased purple weapons in the past, but nothing of a 'rare' skin and not for an equivalent price of a gold version. Color isn't important to me, stats are. However, I would NEVER pay the same price for a purple item as a gold one, even if the stats were the same.
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But the question is why?
If the skin and stats are exactly the same what's the difference?
Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc
Ok.
But the question is why? If the skin and stats are exactly the same what's the difference? |
The same reason people buy those terribly ugly Crystalline Swords. Gold=more rare than purple. Golds re-sell better than purples. And gold weapons carry more prestige than purple weapons (not that it matters).
upier
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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc
Ok.
But the question is why? If the skin and stats are exactly the same what's the difference? |
MagmaRed
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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc
Ok.
But the question is why? If the skin and stats are exactly the same what's the difference? |
Unreal Havoc
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Originally Posted by upier
Why even care about skins then?
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However it's not the skin that people seem to care about but the colour of the font used to describe the item in question. The debate is about two items one purple and one gold of exactly the same skin.
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Originally Posted by MagmaRed
Because it wouldn't be hard to find someone selling a purple for cheaper. Rarity is why people pay more. Purple isn't rare.
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I mean unless you show it in a trade window no one is going to know (or care) what colour font your weapon has, so realisitcally, what does it matter what colour it is?
Monk of Myst
Well, it's the same reason that people care about "green weapons" although there are plenty of blues, purples, and yellows with the same stats!
As an example, take Miella's Focus, a green weapon. The stats on it are as follows:
Energy: +12 (req. 9 Protection Prayers)
Energy: +15
Energy Regeneration: -1
Health: +30
However, if you go to the collector Guard Captain Mirkoz in Saint Anjeka's Shrine and give him 5 dredge incisors, you can get a Protective Icon with the following stats:
Energy: +12 (req. 9 Protection Prayers)
Energy: +15
Energy Regeneration: -1
Health: +30
Is there any difference in the two items? Yes, the appearance. Is the appearance going to help you more than what the collector has? Heck no! This is why I don't really care about the color, I look at the stats.
As an example, take Miella's Focus, a green weapon. The stats on it are as follows:
Energy: +12 (req. 9 Protection Prayers)
Energy: +15
Energy Regeneration: -1
Health: +30
However, if you go to the collector Guard Captain Mirkoz in Saint Anjeka's Shrine and give him 5 dredge incisors, you can get a Protective Icon with the following stats:
Energy: +12 (req. 9 Protection Prayers)
Energy: +15
Energy Regeneration: -1
Health: +30
Is there any difference in the two items? Yes, the appearance. Is the appearance going to help you more than what the collector has? Heck no! This is why I don't really care about the color, I look at the stats.
upier
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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc
That's a good question.
However it's not the skin that people seem to care about but the colour of the font used to describe the item in question. The debate is about two items one purple and one gold of exactly the same skin. |
You selling?
4thVariety
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lol.
I just wanted to see if people valued purple counterparts of weapons at the same value of the gold versions or not and why. |
People have a hard time appreciating anything, so when there is an item class which has less feeling of exclusivity attached, most players will outright dismiss it.
Some people might shrug, but within that shrug is enough shrug-power not argue with those establishing the trend of what is acceptable for posing and paying high prices for and what is not.
If one in 1000 gold drops had some lightning effect attached, then you'd see people go crazy over that rarity. If you give people good looking skins for basically free (i.e. Bonus Mission Pack), then you will have a hard time finding people using them.
I blame real life. Fashion trained people to believe that something which costs more is worth more and automatically looks better. Competing enterprises trained people to believe that the "rarer" of two otherwise equal products is more worth going for. Apple Macintosh users usually believe in both those things and act accordingly.
Kerwyn Nasilan
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Originally Posted by upier
Why even care about skins then?
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In the purple/gold debate, no i would not pay the same as one is rarer/better resale/better to look at imo. I dont like purple weapons, blue ,green, gold are fine.
Unreal Havoc
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Originally Posted by upier
So are you saying I could buy a Voltaic Spear for the low price of a Suntouched one?
You selling? |
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Originally Posted by Kerwyn Nasilan
In the purple/gold debate, no i would not pay the same as one is rarer/better resale/better to look at imo. I dont like purple weapons, blue ,green, gold are fine.
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Originally Posted by 4thVariety
If you give people good looking skins for basically free (i.e. Bonus Mission Pack), then you will have a hard time finding people using them.
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upier
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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc
You're not making sense.
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Why?
Especially when ALL weapons of the same kind look the same under Splinter.
Destro Maniak
in my opinion it would make any difference
paying a gold inscriptable item more money than the blue inscriptable one is completely retarted and insane
but I personally will not buy a blue inscriptable at the same price of a gold because I CANT SELL IT
I wish people didnt care so everyone would be happier
paying a gold inscriptable item more money than the blue inscriptable one is completely retarted and insane
but I personally will not buy a blue inscriptable at the same price of a gold because I CANT SELL IT
I wish people didnt care so everyone would be happier
SpyderArachnid
I bought a perfect Chaos Axe. It was purple. I paid the same price I would for a gold one, for the purple one. I didn't care. It did the same thing. It's not like a gold axe is going to give me more damage or more special abilities. They are the exact same!
I could care less that it is purple, blue, gold, or green. All that matters is that it does the same thing as any other weapon. My thoughts are with the original poster. I will never understand why someone is selling a perfect VS for over 100k, when I can get a perfectly good green with the same stats, and it does the exact same thing, for 2-3k.
In my honest opinion, the market for stuff is ridiculous. I mean, it's a skin. A skin, and some fancy colored text. Is the appearance of something really worth 100k more than something else that does the same thing? No.
I could care less that it is purple, blue, gold, or green. All that matters is that it does the same thing as any other weapon. My thoughts are with the original poster. I will never understand why someone is selling a perfect VS for over 100k, when I can get a perfectly good green with the same stats, and it does the exact same thing, for 2-3k.
In my honest opinion, the market for stuff is ridiculous. I mean, it's a skin. A skin, and some fancy colored text. Is the appearance of something really worth 100k more than something else that does the same thing? No.
Unreal Havoc
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Originally Posted by upier
So you are willing to accept that the skin of the item, which has ABSOLUTELY no effect on the performance of said item, CAN influence the price, but aren't willing to accept that the colour of the items can have the same effect?
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Look at for example the Greater Guardian Spear. Gold versions of that are not really much rarer than purple versions, both are exactly the same skin whether purple or gold, yet one is worth more than the other yet there is no distuinguishing feature that sets either apart bar the colour of the font describing it.
For example (for sake of arguement) I could have a R9 15^50, 20/20, +30, purple Greater Guardian Spear and it would still be worthless to someone wanting to buy a nice skin spear. It would be looked down on because it's purple, despite the above mentioned, despite the indifferences.
The point here being that people are driven by the colour of the items font more than the item itself.
arcanemacabre
I use tons of purple items over gold of the same skin. But pay the same price for either? No way. That is exactly the reason I prefer the purple (or even blue/collector/weaponsmith) ones - they're cheaper.
Why, you ask? It's for the same reason that someone will pay many times more for a real antique versus a replica, even if the replica is made with superior materials and with greater function. There are simply less of them in existence = more rare = command greater value.
Why, you ask? It's for the same reason that someone will pay many times more for a real antique versus a replica, even if the replica is made with superior materials and with greater function. There are simply less of them in existence = more rare = command greater value.
upier
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I can accept it, this isn't a complaint thread, I'm just curious about the mentality behind it.
Look at for example the Greater Guardian Spear. Gold versions of that are not really much rarer than purple versions, both are exactly the same skin whether purple or gold, yet one is worth more than the other yet there is no distuinguishing feature that sets either apart bar the colour of the font describing it. For example (for sake of arguement) I could have a R9 15^50, 20/20, +30, purple Greater Guardian Spear and it would still be worthless to someone wanting to buy a nice skin spear. It would be looked down on because it's purple, despite the above mentioned, despite the indifferences. The point here being that people are driven by the colour of the items font more than the item itself. |
They ARE different.
Unreal Havoc
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Why wouldn't the bolded part be enough for the difference in price?
They ARE different. |
In alot of cases a purple version can be made totally worthless because of this which I think is kind of stupid if it looks and performs the same.
upier
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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc
I don't find the difference in font colour warrants a massive price gap if the skin and mods on both items in question are exactly the same in my opinion.
In alot of cases a purple version can be made totally worthless because of this which I think is kind of stupid if it looks and performs the same. |
Unreal Havoc
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Bolded the important parts.
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The whole point of this discussion is to see what other peoples opinions are on the subject and discuss them.
Braxton619
Well since i'm rich, I buy all the gold ones. No purple ones.
HuntMaster Avatar
The only real difference is that people like gold more than purple. Its a nicer color to some and its a higher rarity. Depending on the skin, I would pay the same price as the gold version. But I'm a bit odd when it comes to that. For example, my main character and all his heroes use green items.
One of my characters uses all gold and one uses all purple including hero items. I doubt I will use all blue as I don't really like the color of blue in this game. Gold is the most expensive color in the game. Purple is the bling, without a doubt. But gold is the bling bling.
But I like green the most because it comes with the best stats.
One of my characters uses all gold and one uses all purple including hero items. I doubt I will use all blue as I don't really like the color of blue in this game. Gold is the most expensive color in the game. Purple is the bling, without a doubt. But gold is the bling bling.
But I like green the most because it comes with the best stats.
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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc
Of course you did.
The whole point of this discussion is to see what other peoples opinions are on the subject and discuss them. |
1. you state your opinion.
And your opinion is correct.
2. someone else states a completely contradictory opinion.
And that opinion is ALSO correct.
And we have done that.
So this discussion is effectively over unless we do a 50 pages of +1s.
Basically from now on this thread is pretty much equal to asking if one likes male paragon skirts?
Unreal Havoc
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But the discussion here can only go one way:
1. you state your opinion. And your opinion is correct. 2. someone else states a completely contradictory opinion. And that opinion is ALSO correct. And we have done that. So this discussion is effectively over unless we do a 50 pages of +1s. Basically from now on this thread is pretty much equal to asking if one likes male paragon skirts? |
Have a nice day.
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The only realy difference is that people like gold more than purple. Its a nicer color to some and its a higher rarity. Depending on the skin, I would pay the same price as the gold version. But I'm a bit odd when it comes to that. For example, my main character and all his heroes use green items.
One of my characters uses all gold and one uses all purple including hero items. I doubt I will use all blue as I don't really like the color of blue in this game. Gold is the most expensive color in the game. Purple is the bling, without a doubt. But gold is the bling bling. But I like green the most because it comes with the best stats. |
I think the only greens I really like are Shiros Blades for my Assassin.
arcanemacabre
Publilus Syrus: Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it.
Unreal Havoc
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Publilus Syrus: Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it.
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jaximus
this discussion hasnt really gone back far enough to reveal the reason. back in the prof/factions early days, golds where the only items that had max inherents. purples could go up to ~13-14^50 if i recall, but not 15^50. i cant find the exact page, but heres something close http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Purple and from that point, purples were labled as not as good as golds, because, they werent. then when nf can gwen came about and things became inscribable and purples came in max inscribable versions, they became equals, but they couldnt shake the preset notions. people dont like to change and this is just an example. so as for price and color, with inscribable versions, they should for all functionality related purposes be the same, but people like gold better because its what used to be good.
as for me, i use both, as long as they are max with the mods i want, i dont really care about the color, because aside from me, noone can see them and i dont intend to sell my weapons so they are all customized (except wands/defensive sets)
as for me, i use both, as long as they are max with the mods i want, i dont really care about the color, because aside from me, noone can see them and i dont intend to sell my weapons so they are all customized (except wands/defensive sets)
Unreal Havoc
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this discussion hasnt really gone back far enough to reveal the reason. back in the prof/factions early days, golds where the only items that had max inherents. purples could go up to ~13-14^50 if i recall, but not 15^50. i cant find the exact page, but heres something close http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Purple and from that point, purples were labled as not as good as golds, because, they werent. then when nf can gwen came about and things became inscribable and purples came in max inscribable versions, they became equals, but they couldnt shake the preset notions. people dont like to change and this is just an example. so as for price and color, with inscribable versions, they should for all functionality related purposes be the same, but people like gold better because its what used to be good.
as for me, i use both, as long as they are max with the mods i want, i dont really care about the color, because aside from me, noone can see them and i dont intend to sell my weapons so they are all customized (except wands/defensive sets) |
Best response so far, and an interesting one too.
Surely given what is said here purples should actually be worth more than what they used to be because of the inherent factors described here?
jray14
I do prefer gold weapons and certain skins over others, but probably not for the usual reasons:
1. Yellow has always been my favorite color, and I get some enjoyment out of seeing yellow text flash by when I'm hovering over my weapon set icons.
2. I like the big skins that stand out well against typical backgrounds (e.g., Long Sword, Hand Axe, Briarwood Scythe, Kersh's Staff) because it helps me better put myself in the shoes of my character and imagine it's really me whipping that thing around. It's more engaging to see a big flashy swinging arc.
However, I don't even consider buying (or passing up an opportunity to sell) really expensive stuff when I can get an equivalent blue or purple for far less. I like to spend a lot of money on lockpicks and perfect salvage kits and outfitting all my heroes on all my mains. That > gold weaps.
I also prefer to be seen with boring mismatched gear, because I feel more at home with the live-off-the-land look-at-the-stats types when I'm in a grouping mood. Plus I feel like it helps bring me back from the edge when I'm tempted to do something elitist.
1. Yellow has always been my favorite color, and I get some enjoyment out of seeing yellow text flash by when I'm hovering over my weapon set icons.
2. I like the big skins that stand out well against typical backgrounds (e.g., Long Sword, Hand Axe, Briarwood Scythe, Kersh's Staff) because it helps me better put myself in the shoes of my character and imagine it's really me whipping that thing around. It's more engaging to see a big flashy swinging arc.
However, I don't even consider buying (or passing up an opportunity to sell) really expensive stuff when I can get an equivalent blue or purple for far less. I like to spend a lot of money on lockpicks and perfect salvage kits and outfitting all my heroes on all my mains. That > gold weaps.
I also prefer to be seen with boring mismatched gear, because I feel more at home with the live-off-the-land look-at-the-stats types when I'm in a grouping mood. Plus I feel like it helps bring me back from the edge when I'm tempted to do something elitist.
False Maria
Since I play spellcasters almost exclusively, gold weapons are much more valuable to me than purples or greens because of the simple fact that they are only good to me as things to sell. I gave my characters their Staves and Foci long ago (purples and greens for the most part) and any new weapon I run into is only good to sell not to keep. Since no one will buy purples, I only care for golds.
arcanemacabre
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This is very true, but it is also worth what the seller will sell it for aswell.
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Unreal Havoc
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Unless the seller can't sell it. Which would be the case if they tried to sell a purple for the going rate as a gold of the same skin.
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HuntMaster Avatar
IIRC, some greens can not be replicated through modifying weapons. Some greens truely are unique.
HawkofStorms
I hardly EVER purchase anything for another player. I think I've bought... 3 weapons total in 4 years of playing. So, wouldn't ever come up for me.
Edit: @Unreal Havoc. Unfortunately no, purples are not worth more. Instead, due to inscriptions, golds are worth a lot less. Stuff worth 100k+25e is now worth 1k. I guess, relative to the value of the golds, purples are worth more, but with the crash of the GW market, I wouldn't say it matters much anymore.
Edit: @Unreal Havoc. Unfortunately no, purples are not worth more. Instead, due to inscriptions, golds are worth a lot less. Stuff worth 100k+25e is now worth 1k. I guess, relative to the value of the golds, purples are worth more, but with the crash of the GW market, I wouldn't say it matters much anymore.
Tenebrae
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If someone offered you an item that was purple, yet exactly the same skin as it's gold counterpart, would you buy it for the same price?
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If not then why do you value the gold version over the purple if the skin and mods are exactly the same?
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If you value the gold versions more over the purple versions, why don't you buy the purple versions as you can obviously get the same skin but at a cheaper price?
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it doesnt matter if you CONSIDER something gold to have more value that the same skin item with same stats but purple or not , they are and thats a fact.
Items only have 3 things :
Stats ( damage , base damage , insc or not )
Skin ( cool , not cool , it depends on your opinion )
Rarity ( % drop , places where it drops , gold/purple/blue color )
Those things determine the items value whether you like it or not , thats it .
Unreal Havoc
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Rarity , also based on Drop % .
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I mean if it's R7 or R8 then I can understand where rarity would make a difference, but if both are R9 then there is absolutely no difference. It's all literally based on the colour of the items font and nothing more.
That's the part I really don't get with the mentality behind it all.