GW2. Was it a mistake to announce?

Greedy Gus

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If they forecast that a majority of the audience for Aion would be shared by those GW2 is targeting, we should have bigger concerns...

Ravious

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Originally Posted by Greedy Gus View Post
If they forecast that a majority of the audience for Aion would be shared by those GW2 is targeting, we should have bigger concerns...

I wouldn't say majority... but MMOs are still a niche genre so you got to have all the oomph in marketing that you can. That's why I believe that after we do get GW2 information the whole shebang is going to move so fast we won't have time to really sit there a year out.

Highlander Of Alba

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Come Dec/Jan I think we will get a trickle of info coming

Aion will be 3 months old by then and The major push for it will have died down a little as most guys will have used it. they will look at subs over the first 3 months and if steady, then it may come some info.

I have Aion and I look forward to G/W2 when it comes to life until then its just time plenty of other games to play until then.

My personal view Aion is so similar to 2Moons /Dekeron...9 dragons

I would be the first person to put my hand up to say as soon as it became public I would pre -order right away

Buster

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This whole wait ordeal is just to see how much more money NCsoft can squeeze out of people before Aion loses subscriptions to Guild Wars 2 because that is extactly what is going to happen. I'm almost 100% positive if Arenanet shows Guild Wars 2 right now people would be in total awe and forget NCsoft even made Aion.

Arenanet cancelled chapter 4 campaign sometime in mid 2006 and was already beginning the ground work for Guild Wars 2. So they have almost had 3 years of developing Guild Wars 2 and yes there is alot to show but its all about how much money NCsoft can make until Guild Wars 2 depletes a large portion of Aion's funds.

Highlander Of Alba

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Arenanet cancelled chapter 4 campaign sometime in mid 2006 and was already beginning the ground work for Guild Wars 2. So they have almost had 3 years of developing Guild Wars 2 and yes there is alot to show but its all about how much money NCsoft can make until Guild Wars 2 depletes a large portion of Aion's funds.[/QUOTE]


Aion is making plenty money at moment .... we that is NA/EU are icing on the cake.......

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pre orders for GW 2 are up already?

http://www.amazon.com/Guild-Wars-2-P...66348&sr= 1-1

Legion Magnus

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I don't think it was a mistake to announce, just a mistake to have not delivered yet!

Brett Kuntz

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Originally Posted by hobbes2oo View Post
pre orders for GW 2 are up already?

http://www.amazon.com/Guild-Wars-2-P...66348&sr= 1-1
Amazon lets you pre-order anything. Pre-orders for FF14 are already available, despite FF13 not even being out, or coming out this year lol.

Buster

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Originally Posted by Legion Magnus View Post
I don't think it was a mistake to announce, just a mistake to have not delivered yet!
Man that is just a big QFT right there. They need to push Aion aside and lets get down to some real business with Guild Wars 2!

Day and Night

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Originally Posted by Buster View Post
This whole wait ordeal is just to see how much more money NCsoft can squeeze out of people before Aion loses subscriptions to Guild Wars 2 because that is extactly what is going to happen. I'm almost 100% positive if Arenanet shows Guild Wars 2 right now people would be in total awe and forget NCsoft even made Aion.
Again, how exactly would a game that doesn't actually exist (in terms that you can't play it at all) and is months or even years away steal sibscribers from a newly released and lively mmo?

Day and Night

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I mean, come on, the ones who want to play MMORGP will play it if it's good anyway (hint: AION).
You can't play a game which hasn't been released (hint: GW2)
So people who need to play now - will play Aion, and the ones who won't if GW2 info is out wouldn't probably play even if no GW2 info released.

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Originally Posted by Day and Night View Post
I mean, come on, the ones who want to play MMORGP will play it if it's good anyway (hint: AION).
You can't play a game which hasn't been released (hint: GW2)
So people who need to play now - will play Aion, and the ones who won't if GW2 info is out wouldn't probably play even if no GW2 info released.
Not everyone religiously watches upcoming game releases. People just have to be pushed by cool ads or interesting writeup about it or reached by word of mouth. And those people are majority.

If nscoft wants best ad and hype coverage for Aion, they do not want gw2 hype interference. They want gamer guy tell his friends about new hot Aion where you get angle wings and can fly (and crashland to cactae), not about some GW2 that is not even going to be released for few years.

Day and Night

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It is enough of Aion hype already - in MMO fan sphere. As for casual players, if two MMOs are with equal hype, casual player chooses the one which is out already or coming out soon.

Buster

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Originally Posted by Day and Night View Post
Again, how exactly would a game that doesn't actually exist (in terms that you can't play it at all) and is months or even years away steal sibscribers from a newly released and lively mmo?
1. Aion is really not that good to begin with. It's WoW with prettier graphics.

2. When has Arenanet failed. The last time I checked Guild Wars won a ton of awards and millions have played it. Do you think all of a sudden they are just going to fail out of thin air ? Arenanet team > NCsoft. I know this is kind of subjective but people need to keep the faith in Arenanet despite the long haul of no new information.

RadaArashi

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It'd be nice to get a gameplay demo video of GW2, I think I once saw Regina say she has played so I imagine there's enough progress to show a gameplay video or something, this would definitively keep the user base interested.

Who knows, we might get something when PAX arrives this September.

Mordakai

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Originally Posted by Buster View Post
1. Aion is really not that good to begin with. It's WoW with prettier graphics.

2. When has Arenanet failed. The last time I checked Guild Wars won a ton of awards and millions have played it. Do you think all of a sudden they are just going to fail out of thin air ? Arenanet team > NCsoft. I know this is kind of subjective but people need to keep the faith in Arenanet despite the long haul of no new information.
Look, I like ArenaNet a lot, but the fact is ArenaNet = NCSoft.

Not only does NCSoft own ArenaNet outright, two founders from Guild Wars (Jeff Strain and Patrick Wyatt) now head up NCWest!

You can't separate ArenaNet from NCSoft, they are the same company.

HawkofStorms

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1. Aion is really not that good to begin with. It's WoW with prettier graphics.
And WoW was a terrible failure right?

Aion SHOULD be a huge success. The only thing Aion has to really worry about is WoW fanboys who don't want people to leave their game to bash Aion and try to scare fans away. If Aion can establish a community that can overcome that, then I'm sure it will do quite well. If it gets drowned out by "well my friend who plays WoW told me Aion sucks so I think I'll buy WoW instead" then it will fail.

Gigashadow

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Aion is not really going to attract WoW's audience, as PvE raiders aren't going to find much to like about it. Aion is basically Lineage 2 with wings but with less grind, although still quite a bit more than people are used to in today's MMOs. It is a lot less forgiving, both in PvE (harsher death penalties), PvP (lose abyss points), has a lot more randomness (crafting failures that trash gems in your armor, huge possible damage disparity on some skills), and is far group centric in general, something you'll realize by level 18 or so when all of your quests require grouping. There is both good and bad in this; the harsh environment will drive off a ton of casual players, but it will also make the community tighter, as it is now a lot more important to know who is a retard and who is good and has your back.

The biggest positive I see about this game is that there is nothing cross-server about it, so it will be back to the good old days of knowing your enemies, seeing them every day, and having guild and personal rivalries.

Personally I don't think it's a good game, I think it is a mediocre, generic MMO, with generic classes, generic skills, with a new coat of shiny. If it weren't for the graphics, nobody would give a shit about this game. However, I'm going to play it for a couple of months nonetheless for this reason: a competitive server community in a PvP game can make even a mediocre game really damn fun.

Lonesamurai

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow View Post

Personally I don't think it's a good game, I think it is a mediocre, generic MMO, with generic classes, generic skills, with a new coat of shiny. If it weren't for the graphics, nobody would give a shit about this game.
/seconded on that, I load into it every beta weekend and twenty minutes later log out and log into either Eve, Warhammer or go play on my 360

R.Shayne

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Right now the Aion hype reminds me of the Conan hype. Don't give into the hype and see what happens three months after the release.

Publisher decide (NCSoft) when trailers, video, and screenshots are released and no publisher in their right mind are going to allow two competing properties to be advertised at the same time.

My guess is we will start to see GW2 info about one month after Aion launches. I still hope we see something earlier.

Ravious

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That's interesting because IMHO, Aion hype has been largely word of mouth. Looking at the newssites Champions Online and even DC Online (and of course SWTOR) are getting more hype, IMHO.... but NCSoft marketing has been notoriously weak in NA, IMHO. It's very interesting seeing an MMO that's been live for a year finally come to new markets, which are we.

Vasagi

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plus its not like there's nobody playing GW anymore either.

i prefer a done when its done apporach to games ala valve and blizzard

Omega X

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Jeff Strain left the company. GW2's outlook seems to be even more grim.

Mordakai

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It's weird, just a few minutes ago I was elated to finally get some news about a possible GW2 trailer being shown in Gamescom.

Now, that all is overshadowed by the founder of Guild Wars leaving NCSoft.... WTF is going on?

Occisor Phasma

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I took my time to read all of this thread, and now, that GW 2 trailer is released, and it's kind of amazing, I hope you all feel sorry for whatever bad things you said and all the bad thoughts. If you still have something to comment now, and still have complaints, then this must be just the nature of you as players, like one person said in the first 5 pages i think, that the players are not pleased no matter what (the person observed this on a WoW forum, even there, with monthly updates, the players were not pleased). I believe that the 2 years of silence totally payed off now with the release of this trailer.
And indeed...earlier I was hanging around in Spamadan, and people were complaining that at the end of the trailer the races seemed united, and that they wont get to kick some human ass with their Charr characters. I mean come on ) how can you still have complaints?

I have been playing GW for just a year and few months now and didnt really get the chance to get bored or frustrated about the lack of updates regarding GW2 and the lack of new content for GW1, but i can understand your frustration. The boys from ANet just wanted it to be mind blowing, and from what I saw, it is. I can only assume that the wait was worth it. As for the players who left, and some of you thinking they will never come back, I say you should think again. I'm sure that GW2 will bring back all of the lost players and surely much more. This is by far the best content I have ever seen in a game. I can peacefully title grind and not feel it's a waste of time, even if it takes 1 year or 2 untill the game is ready. I just hope you all feel the same, and congrats to those who didn't lose hope and faith.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Occisor Phasma View Post
I took my time to read all of this thread, and now, that GW 2 trailer is released, and it's kind of amazing, I hope you all feel sorry for whatever bad things you said and all the bad thoughts. If you still have something to comment now, and still have complaints, then this must be just the nature of you as players, like one person said in the first 5 pages i think, that the players are not pleased no matter what (the person observed this on a WoW forum, even there, with monthly updates, the players were not pleased). I believe that the 2 years of silence totally payed off now with the release of this trailer.
And indeed...earlier I was hanging around in Spamadan, and people were complaining that at the end of the trailer the races seemed united, and that they wont get to kick some human ass with their Charr characters. I mean come on ) how can you still have complaints?

I have been playing GW for just a year and few months now and didnt really get the chance to get bored or frustrated about the lack of updates regarding GW2 and the lack of new content for GW1, but i can understand your frustration. The boys from ANet just wanted it to be mind blowing, and from what I saw, it is. I can only assume that the wait was worth it. As for the players who left, and some of you thinking they will never come back, I say you should think again. I'm sure that GW2 will bring back all of the lost players and surely much more. This is by far the best content I have ever seen in a game. I can peacefully title grind and not feel it's a waste of time, even if it takes 1 year or 2 untill the game is ready. I just hope you all feel the same, and congrats to those who didn't lose hope and faith.


i completely a-freaking-gree


yes gw1 may be 'dead' compared to what it once was, but lets be honest


everyone here will buy guild wars 2, if you won't then why are you still on a fansite for the first 'dead' game


love u anet, gw1 may have had some rought times, but this looks amazing

DarklingKiller

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I felt like I was watching a puppet show when I was watching the trailer.

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I'm not sure if someone has said this yet but.... MONEY. Seriously without a new title how are they going to continue to make money? Everquest and WoW both have a monthly subscription. Oh and WoW is hugely more popular.

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