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greyhawk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

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13 Jul 2009 at 22:45 - 41

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Originally Posted by Tramp

We need some Obama style justice around here and only make it so people have 1 account... 2 accounts max if they can prove a need. Just my opinon.

lol tramp you have like 15 accounts,

i have 4 accounts and all of them are full of items i have collected over my time in GW.

more accounts = more space!

Pugs Not Drugs

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2009

13 Jul 2009 at 22:45 - 42

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Originally Posted by Mireles

I am just asking for a level playing field for all. That used to be what this game was about... skill.. not how much time you spend playing or how much your willing to spend

Thats just it! The game is still about skill. Your 1k armor is no worse than others leet haxor obby armor, nor is you pvp spear inferiour to a black dyed voltaic one. The playing field is still level. Money in guild wars is pointless after you have max armor and max weps. Everthing after that is just for looks.

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Originally Posted by Mireles

jealous of what, people's ability to throw there money into a game... anyone can swipe a credit card...

If people wanna throw their money away, let them. Its not your problem. It sure sounds like your jelous. :wink: And

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Originally Posted by Mireles

becasue games are for playing not wasting money. people just might as well post there bank account balances.

World of warcract

And btw, i have 2 accounts so i can dual discord with myself.

WhiteWasabi

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

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13 Jul 2009 at 22:52 - 43

If they don't limit the wealth for having multiple accounts.......I plan on buying 10 x GW2 accounts as soon as they are available. Also on top of the Xunlai House and Gifts of the Traveler there is also BDAY presents!

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

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13 Jul 2009 at 22:53 - 44

the packrat here just had tooo much stuff...ran out of buy-able slots, so for $5 got a factions copy for 4 more slots....and then for $10 got a prophecies/eton for 2 more slots .....so for $15 I got 6 slots--that would run me ~$60 thru the ingame store--much better value to me (and yes I have used it for xth, but my horrible choices didnt bring me in any great amount of keys). Then the started to sell storage panes ...

...oh well....so now I have 2 real cool rits that can dance together and some pre characters that can as well.....and a whole new xunlai storage account too! (see an account will give you 4 characters AND xunlai storage whereas slots only give you the character, itself's, storage capabilities).

I see no problems with having more than one account if you are capable of paying for it (eg you have a job/inheritance/trust fund etc)...since the cost of the extra game I bought is less than 2 months of WOW....would rather anet have it than the government.

Antares Ascending

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2008

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13 Jul 2009 at 22:53 - 45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tramp

We need some Obama style justice around here and only make it so people have 1 account... 2 accounts max if they can prove a need. Just my opinon.

It doesn't affect you. Just play the game!!

The last thing we need here or IRL is 'obama' type 'justice' that results in greater control of the individual. If you want another account its your option...they are cheap now.

Thinking to many people spend to much time worrying about what other people are doing.

Trader of Secrets

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

13 Jul 2009 at 22:58 - 46

you could just get ur money str8 from multi accounts: zkeys, traveler gifts. but most ppl i kno get a large majority of their wealth from one account: speed clears and runs.

I Elite Starchild I

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2007

Central Texas

Clan Union [Uni]

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13 Jul 2009 at 23:02 - 47

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Originally Posted by WhiteWasabi

If they don't limit the wealth for having multiple accounts.......I plan on buying 10 x GW2 accounts as soon as they are available. Also on top of the Xunlai House and Gifts of the Traveler there is also BDAY presents!

This.

I cant wait to see how many GW2 accounts ANET sells in the first week.

Inde

Site Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2004

13 Jul 2009 at 23:10 - 48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mireles

How is buying accounts different from purchasing game currency from online vendors?

It's not.

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If its not ok, for them because it inflates the economy making effort yield less value for players that play the game. As ArenaNet used to stated years ago. What makes it ok for you the developers to do this and not them? (aside from copyright infringement)

Baseless arguments and justification that it's their game and they can milk the players for cash.

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Originally Posted by Mireles

Are updates to the game going to be similar in nature?

Probably

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Originally Posted by Mireles

My main question being do you think this should continue?

No, but the MMO developers finally want their cut of this billion dollar industry.

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Originally Posted by Mireles

Obtaining anything in the game should be how you play... not how much cash you have to blow on accounts...

This used to be what gaming was about, sorry, no longer.

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Originally Posted by Mireles

ArenaNet has lost focus on creating a great game and is now focused on generating profits.

They've just jumped on the bandwagon with everyone else. Can't fault them.

And there you have my opinion on micro-transactions/multiple accounts/etc.

Vilaptca

Pre-Searing Vanquisher

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

13 Jul 2009 at 23:22 - 49

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Originally Posted by Inde

It's not.

But it is.

Just owning a second account doesn't make you money. It all depends on the person, if they can multi-task well enough to actually farm with two accounts they are going to get the most out of another account. Not many people can actually do this.

Most people just had it for the XTH. With that gone, second accounts mean nothing. There is nothing wrong with having multiple accounts, mine are mostly for storage. It doesn't make you any money. Occasionally I get birthday presents, but minis are hardly worth anything except when they first come out, and most people don't have multiple accounts with 4yr+ old characters on them.

Travelers gifts are limited in how many you can get. Many people with multiple accounts have just one campaign on them, meaning they lose out on many of the gifts.

Honestly, I don't see why people make such a big deal about it. If you actual had a second account you'd see that it doesn't make you money at all. Second account =/= in-game wealth. If you'd stop and think for a second instead making assumptions you'd realize that.

Second accounts are good for storage and dancing with yourself. And thats about it.

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Originally Posted by Trader of Secrets

you could just get ur money str8 from multi accounts: zkeys, traveler gifts. but most ppl i kno get a large majority of their wealth from one account: speed clears and runs.

This. One account farming anything is going to make you a lot more money than having multiple accounts do XTH and Traveler.

dusanyu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2007

Illusion of skillz [Iz]

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13 Jul 2009 at 23:26 - 50

I have Two accounts as well one Sits in the main guild, my second sits in my guild's smurf

do i reap the "Free money" Benefits on both? i XTH on both as far as Traveler I don't bother with it too much like PvE

ShadowsRequiem

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Inde is Smoking [Hawt] *ToA*

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13 Jul 2009 at 23:41 - 51

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

If wealth actually mattered ingame I'd care. But it doesn't, so meh.

Exactly. All wealth does is let people buy items for vanity purposes and not stat benefits. So theres really no problem unless you feel good about a large e-peen(I kno I do!!

)

Dzjudz

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz

13 Jul 2009 at 23:41 - 52

I have two accounts.

New account = 8 char slots

Guild Wars Complete Collection is all 4 games, much cheaper than the same number of character slots. Now I have at least one character of each profession.

Bonuses
XTH
Nicholas gifts
GWx2 to ferry stuff from pre to post, to run one account with the other, etc.

Gigashadow

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Bellevue, WA

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13 Jul 2009 at 23:44 - 53

So for anyone who does this, how much do you reckon you get per month from using the XTH? How much gold is that worth? I've never even used it once (yes I know, it's free loot, I've just been too lazy), so I actually have no idea.

Dzjudz

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz

13 Jul 2009 at 23:50 - 54

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

So for anyone who does this, how much do you reckon you get per month from using the XTH? How much gold is that worth? I've never even used it once (yes I know, it's free loot, I've just been too lazy), so I actually have no idea.

I've only had my second account long enough to get two XTH rewards. One was 80 points, the other 55. So that's 16 + 11 keys = 27 keys. Then they were 5k each, so 80k and 55k = 135k. And I had random picks btw.

BenjZee

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

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13 Jul 2009 at 23:50 - 55

Anyone got taht quote from Regina or Linsey where they say if you wanna spend 'waste' your money for little gain then its up to you to do so.

Inde

Site Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2004

13 Jul 2009 at 23:59 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vilaptca

But it is.

Just owning a second account doesn't make you money. It all depends on the person, if they can multi-task well enough to actually farm with two accounts they are going to get the most out of another account. Not many people can actually do this.

Most people just had it for the XTH. With that gone, second accounts mean nothing. There is nothing wrong with having multiple accounts, mine are mostly for storage. It doesn't make you any money. Occasionally I get birthday presents, but minis are hardly worth anything except when they first come out, and most people don't have multiple accounts with 4yr+ old characters on them.

Travelers gifts are limited in how many you can get. Many people with multiple accounts have just one campaign on them, meaning they lose out on many of the gifts.

Honestly, I don't see why people make such a big deal about it. If you actual had a second account you'd see that it doesn't make you money at all. Second account =/= in-game wealth. If you'd stop and think for a second instead making assumptions you'd realize that.

Second accounts are good for storage and dancing with yourself. And thats about it.

I really don't think the OP was talking about buying 2nd accounts for storage. The subject of the thread is buying multiple accounts in order to make money. Which many people clearly do, and have stated so in this thread.

fenix

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14 Jul 2009 at 00:06 - 57

See, the problem is the value of zkeys, and the ability to trade them. Currently, if you buy a cheap account in the US, you only need to win around 30 keys for the account to have paid for itself. Any more than that, and you're profiting. Basically, you pay US$10 for 1 month of debt, then every other month you get free cash. If you did this with a large number of accounts, then you can make VERY large amounts of gold.

It's ridiculous. ANet need to either 'forget' about fixing the XTH, remove it all together, or make zkeys untradeable.

Cale Roughstar

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Canada

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14 Jul 2009 at 00:06 - 58

I bought 3 accounts solely for the xth, and the storage that they offered was an added bonus that I have taken advantage of (already filled one of them to the rafters).

I am sure it has been stated earlier in this thread, but more accounts does not really mean more wealth. Real big wealth cannot be accumulated by through 50-100k (if you are good) per account per month. A slightly dedicated farmer can make that in a a few days, while power traders can make profits a zillion times higher than that in a matter of minutes (with a bit of luck). It is free money that the casual player can get with no effort, but it is not nearly enough to make a person rich.

YunSooJin

Pyromaniac

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

14 Jul 2009 at 00:12 - 59

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenix

See, the problem is the value of zkeys, and the ability to trade them. Currently, if you buy a cheap account in the US, you only need to win around 30 keys for the account to have paid for itself. Any more than that, and you're profiting. Basically, you pay US$10 for 1 month of debt, then every other month you get free cash. If you did this with a large number of accounts, then you can make VERY large amounts of gold.

It's ridiculous. ANet need to either 'forget' about fixing the XTH, remove it all together, or make zkeys untradeable.

they've probably noticed an uptick in profits due to the zkey introduction and will not under any circumstances remove it now. I mean c'mon the game is 4 years old if you throw it under the bus does anyone give a shit?

Gigashadow

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Bellevue, WA

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14 Jul 2009 at 00:15 - 60

Wow, I didn't realize you got that much out of it. If it's $10 for an account that provides an income of 100K/month, that's a much better deal than buying gold (and legitimate also). So it seems that's the official way of dealing with goldsellers; although it doesn't help the game's economy, at least the company selling the game gets the money this way.

Pistachio

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

W/R

14 Jul 2009 at 00:17 - 61

I have 2 accounts as well. The second is for mules, Xunlai storage, friends to play on, and eventually farming.

Daesu

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2008

14 Jul 2009 at 00:18 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

Exactly. All wealth does is let people buy items for vanity purposes and not stat benefits. So theres really no problem unless you feel good about a large e-peen(I kno I do!!

)

QFT.

I have 2 accounts and just bought another one for the extra storage. It doesn't make me that much richer and even if I have the gold, I dont feel like buying anything since I farm almost everything that I need, so my gold keeps accumulating.

1. More Storage
2. More XTH (although that seems to be gone for good)
3. More Nicholas's gifts. I had to do a Drok run for my level 4 from Beacon's to Mineral Springs. Took me hell since that was the first time I did it, and my map was foggy. But I finally did it.

4. 6 heroes (only 2 accounts needed)
5. Can run myself.
6. More PvE skills per team.
7. Can 600/smite all by myself and get all the drops.

YunSooJin

Pyromaniac

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

14 Jul 2009 at 00:19 - 63

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gigashadow

Wow, I didn't realize you got that much out of it. If it's $10 for an account that provides an income of 100K/month, that's a much better deal than buying gold (and legitimate also). So it seems that's the official way of dealing with goldsellers; although it doesn't help the game's economy, at least the company selling the game gets the money this way.

yeah at least the company is making money I guess it's ok
/sarcasm

Daesu

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2008

14 Jul 2009 at 00:26 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by YunSooJin

yeah at least the company is making money I guess it's ok
/sarcasm

Then ANet would need to get rid of:

1) XTH
2) Nicholas's gifts
3) NF keyless treasure chests
4) ZQuests because they earn you coins to get equipment packs.

Because otherwise, they would have to do special work scanning for people using 2 accounts and handle proxies in their code and so on. Somehow make allowance for husband and wife playing in the same house or siblings/family playing too.

So, getting rid of these features would then make you happy?

[Morkai]

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2007

Heroes of Elonia [HE]

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14 Jul 2009 at 01:00 - 65

The system as is generates Anet more money through account sales. They will not (and should not, from a business point of view) remove this.

What is there to discuss?

YunSooJin

Pyromaniac

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

14 Jul 2009 at 01:02 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daesu

Then ANet would need to get rid of:

1) XTH
2) Nicholas's gifts
3) NF keyless treasure chests
4) ZQuests because they earn you coins to get equipment packs.

Because otherwise, they would have to do special work scanning for people using 2 accounts and handle proxies in their code and so on. Somehow make allowance for husband and wife playing in the same house or siblings/family playing too.

So, getting rid of these features would then make you happy?

ZQuests I dont have an issue with. Not sure what you are referring to about #3.

Removing #1 in particular right now would not help. The damage has already been done. It should not have been introduced in the first place. As what to do about it now.. no comment.

shoyon456

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

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14 Jul 2009 at 01:10 - 67

I dont think any person should be limited to a certain number of accounts, but anet could do a better job of limiting the rewards ppl can obtain if they have many. The original intent behind multiple accnts was just for storage and character slots.

Im hoping that this is just one of the many things anet went off the deep end with in GW1 since they pay it like .99% percent of their attention now, because if this is a reoccuring theme in GW2, no thanks!

Daesu

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2008

14 Jul 2009 at 01:10 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by YunSooJin

ZQuests I dont have an issue with. Not sure what you are referring to about #3.

Removing #1 in particular right now would not help. The damage has already been done. It should not have been introduced in the first place. As what to do about it now.. no comment.

The more characters you have, the more times you can do the PvE zquests. Even though the coins themselves are not tradable across accounts, the equipment packs are.

#3: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Treasure

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

but anet could do a better job of limiting the rewards ppl can obtain if they have many. The original intent behind multiple accnts was just for storage and character slots.

There is no way that ANet can tell between 2 accounts logined from the same home are being played by 1 person or by a husband and wife or GF team or brother and sister/brother team or whatever.

So the question really becomes, should a husband get less reward if his wife or GF already has an account also? If that is the case, then there is no incentive to ask wives to play this game with their husbands.

Robbeh The Mad

Academy Page

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14 Jul 2009 at 01:19 - 69

I own two accounts, both with all the games added to it. I don't do it for the money and honestly it never dawned on me that I could until I read this post, thanks!

I use one account for collecting stuff for my hall and grinding out my titles just in case it matters in GW2. My second account I hardly ever use and only log on to it when I need a break from my main account. I'm a GL of a fairly large guild so that can sometimes be a pain. My second account which isnt part of my main account's guild gives me the time to relax and not have to worry about running people from Ascalon to LA or perma beating Gates of Madness for them.

But this is what I've never understood, A-net is dead set on banning gold buyers and sellers, which is totally in their right but at the same time they allow the constant abuse of the drop system that allows people to gather and hoard insane amounts of gold. I'm sorry but some of the us have lives and WORK for a living, not everyone that plays GW has the time to farm UW 8 hours a day. Plain and simple fact A-net punishes the casual player that doesnt or can't farm the system. More accounts or buying gold from China is just leveling the playing field or at least I think that's the logic behind it. Keeping up with the Jones you know?

Perkunas

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2006

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14 Jul 2009 at 01:21 - 70

I have 4 accounts.
My 'main' account that I got for me. (Dec 2005)
One of my sons tried a character on my account, liked the game bought him a copy. (Mar 2006) (Against EULA to 'share' account.)
Another son, same thing. (Apr 2006)

The son I bought the first 'extra' account for, joined the Marines. He said do what you want with the account. Added character slots, so as to not delete his.

Second 'extra' account, son quit playing. Again, "do what you want with it."

1st account 12 char slots, 2nd has 11, 3rd has 10. All 3 has all chapters and Eye. Do not have the bonus on any of them.

July 2008, bought 4th account (Prophesies & EotN only, 4 slots) on a challenge. To start and play a character as though it was your first character. No help from coin, mats, and unlocked skills, etc. from previous characters. The idea was to compare the game, 7/08 vs 12/05, for making money, PuGs, and to see how much 'easier' the game has 'become'. I feel sorry for the brand new players these days vs late 2005 early 2006.

Today, I have 4 'permapre' characters, 1 per account (Gifts of the Hunter). My first account financially 'supports' the other accounts. It also has my only 'title chaser'. She gets all the mini's from all the other characters for her HoM. None are sold nor bought.

Zkeys, zcoins, zquests, these are just words to me. Where they are used, how/where they are acquired, I have no clue, have yet to stumble onto them while playing. Something about registering on another website to make more ingame money. I am doing fine without all that.

Everyone has their reasons for having multiple accounts. These are mine.

rodzilla

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2007

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14 Jul 2009 at 01:37 - 71

More accounts, means more money for Anet. you would be hard pressed to get them to cut their own throat. lol

Windf0rce

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

14 Jul 2009 at 01:41 - 72

I see no problems with the current system. Seriously, people piling up on accounts just for such in game advantages simply need to get a life.

I have 2 accounts now because a friend quit and gave me access to his. I keep it for the sake of getting characters' birthday presents on occasion. I check it every few months and grab minis, that's about it.

Many times, on my "main account" I missed Xunlai House bets and Nicholas the Traveler gifts (did it the first time today!). I don't really feel like repeating anything on the second account.

Kendel

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2009

14 Jul 2009 at 01:45 - 73

Its the legal version of gold selling, thats about it. Anet gets its money this way. Blizzard supports the gold sellers. Theres not much you can do to stop it.

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

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14 Jul 2009 at 02:03 - 74

Come on guys, how else would Anet do the "ZOMG we sold 6 million copies but don't you dare mention we count all 4 games/expansions individually" ads without luring people to buy more than one account?

The closure of XTH does look like they've sold enough copies for now, though.

tuna-fish_sushi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

California

E/A

14 Jul 2009 at 02:49 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by Windf0rce

I see no problems with the current system. Seriously, people piling up on accounts just for such in game advantages simply need to get a life.

The fact that I have multiple accounts actually gives me more free time, because I can just vote/get nicholas gifts which takes 3-4hours a month.
Then during holidays and summer I can enjoy my time on guildwars being able to afford what I want, instead of having to grind for cash.

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

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14 Jul 2009 at 03:14 - 76

Eugene V. Debs was right all along!

Nerel

Jungle Guide

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Australia, what you want my home address?

[CAT]

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14 Jul 2009 at 05:25 - 77

For all those people who are saying that money doesn't matter in Guild Wars, and that the additional income earned by owning many accounts via the XTH/Birthday presents/Traveler gifts etc isn't in anyway a problem... I hope you realize that you are condoning Real Money Trade, the only difference between this and Gold Sellers... is that small trickle of cash is going to NCsoft.

Maybe GW2 will make you all happy, selling gold in the online store, but knowing ArenaNet their price will be too high for the majority of the forum posters... and they will just have legitimized the RMT trade.

Shadowspawn X

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fellowship of Champions

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14 Jul 2009 at 05:36 - 78

I'm all about my ranger when it comes to pve, I don't need multiple accounts to enjoy GW. We are out of content so its a done deal. I'm not going to repeat the game on my one account let along on multiples. People who farm multiple accounts are going outside the scope of the game imo, however if that is how they get their jollies then more power to them. It doesn't take away from my enjoyment of the game because I don't play to complete with anyone gold wise although I've had my share and then some. If I cared about riches I would play monopoly or railroad tycoon.

Sweet Mystery

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Shadow Hunters Of Light [SHOL]

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14 Jul 2009 at 05:41 - 79

Same old same old......

I have a fair few accounts.... ones from friends who stopped playing. I use these for storage and the traveller at times. Do I sell the stuff? No I use the gains from the traveller for titles... my Warrior just got Sweet Tooth from it....

So have I gained money wise? No. I saved money.

Cash wise in the game I have just over 100K... and I farm a lot as well to get what I want.

It's all crap and how people use their other accounts if they want to. Don't come running around telling me I can't use them... hell they been paid for and are available. Or is it just because you don't have them and others should be punished?

fenix

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14 Jul 2009 at 05:54 - 80

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