Good People DO Exist in GW - And They CAN Make A Difference!

damn that's all i could think about at the end too.

*Deep Breath*

I didn't ask anyone else to make a report. Regardless of the fact that I sent up a request on my own, I know from being a responsible gamer that more than one ticket per incident only bogs the system down. Being that I didn't request anyone else to report this person, I believe this makes your whole post moot. (That's what you were basing it on right?) If you still intend to use the RoC against me: As I said in the original post "Based on this statement (Rule 1 of RoC), I have the right to expect that other players will allow me to enjoy the game and that they will not cause me distress. Even though these statements are very broad, common sense dictates that I am not wrong for attempting to find a better end result. You can try to use the last sentence about reporting players against me, but I'll just reference the first part of this rule again." If you want to be able to use this against me, you'll need to argue how he wasn't causing me distress or taking enjoyment out of the game for me and/or say how my singular report to GW was malicious or done without reason. I didn't ask anyone to harass the player or cause the player distress. I only asked that they ask him to return the money. (After all it was possible that he didn't realize what had happened or was confused as he later stated.) As far as unwanted attention goes, I don't believe it applies in this case. He wasn't being needlessly bothered. He later looked me up and said that he had forgotten my screen name and had to get it from a PM'r. So it turned out in favor for both of us. You can't make a solid argument without supporting your decisions, especially when they are opinion based and/or very broad interpretations. In the end, GW won't do anything about it. But that doesn't seem to be what you're trying to debate here.

I'm cheap. I recently got a ton of money from selling off goods acquired over the years. My husband sold off and gave me goods from all his accounts and migrated to WoW. I'm "New Money" so to speak. I'm still not used to having funds. I haven't mastered any of the campaigns and still can't get to the big money areas. Thus - 75 is a lot of money to me. It's not to a lot of people. Doesn't change the value to me. Gives me something to look forward to though when I start having access to the better farming land! This is something that keeps coming up. I have a hard time believing that if you were in my shoes at my area of progression in the game that you (or anyone else aghast at my reaction) wouldn't also feel the same way. Even on your lofty perch it's possible to make mistakes in the game that can be costly. Whether it's 75k, a few stacks of ectos or the ultra rare unique you've been holding on to it's still gonna suck. I was resourceful and lucky enough to get what I wanted. The point is - stuff happens to everyone. Will you be as poised as you expected me to be when it does? Say what you want, but you'll be hard pressed to convince me that you're the one person in the world who doesn't get irritated when they lose something that they wanted and didn't intend to give away.

Sorry, but no. For one, she could have ID'd herself if she wanted. (Even if I did want people to know how generous I was, I wouldn't ID myself in this crowd! OUCH! You guys are merciless.) For two, if I was jerk enough to not offer her the ecto's back, I wouldn't be dumb enough to mention she gave them to me in the first place. Not to mention, if I was that kind of jerk, why would I bother posting a forum for discussion about good people doing good things that make a difference to others? Honestly.

Again, sorry... I'm not the type to use being a soldier as a get out of jail free card or as some kind of badge of uberawesomeness. The reason that Iraq is relevant is because naturally, I didn't play GW during that period. Thus my husband and I both racked up presents on all accounts/characters and had all sorts of goodies we had earned prior to deployment in there to sell off. I sold a lot, and he sold all. That accounts for the sudden influx of cash on hand. That's what it has to do with anything.

Phew.... I think that's everything...

good vs evil , same story always , yingyang....

Anyway I am glad you got back your 75k , but you need to learn that 75k is not 75g :P just keep that in mind in your trades now

I also met good people as I met bad ones. but you never can change that , good and evil is a balance, it will stay the same every where in the world (not only online gaming :P )

If you had bothered to read the chat between the two of them, you might have noticed that she said her and her hubby just got back from Iraq.
Well... I for one am grateful to all our troops fighting for us anywhere in the world, and I grabbed the opportunity now to say thank you.

What don't you understand here... you made a mistake in a trade, you weren't scammed or misled, you... made... a... mistake...

The player who you were trading with DIDN'T scam you, he didn't do anything wrong, his only fault is being opportunistic and greedy. There was nothing to report.

As for YOU violating the Rules of conduct that YOU quoted...

"While playing Guild Wars, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. You will not report players maliciously, or cause them to be investigated without reason."

After YOU made a mistake in the trade, you contacted the player (presumably to explain your mistake and ask for your money back), and you claim to have asked him a few times before he set you to ignore...

Do you get this, you asked him a few times and he choose to IGNORE you. Did you respect HIS choice not to be harassed by you? No, you used the LOCAL channel NAMING THE PLAYER and asking OTHER PLAYERS to contact him on your behalf... numerous other people to talk to him after he made it clear he didn't want to continue the discussion. "...or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players."

Do you see what I mean? I'm guessing you don't...


edit: Oh, the screen shots were awesome... after people who were harassing him on your behalf made all sorts of threats... abusing him, threatening to post screen shots all over the internet (yeah, violating your precious RoC) just awesome. You're right, these people who helped you out are GOOD people... RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing awesome.

I want all my mini pets and stuffs back! millions in plats!

now lets see if that works.

even arena net won't listen to that plea.!

Oh, you poor thing... here, let me give you some ectos...

edit: Your avatar, it scares me...

Why do people feel they have to piss all over some good feelings?

Bottom line, the OP was stupid (by her own admission), BUT people helped her anyway. And she got the Plat back!

After all the evil things that people do in this game, I for one, am feeling pretty good.

Taking into consideration the kinds of players that I've had to deal with over the years in GW, yours is a rare case.

So the person who gave you the ectos was "paying it forward," and asking you to do the same. The fact that you helped another person in return indicates that the ecto donor had a positive impact. Now the guy that solicited the ecto from you concerns me, because he is coming to you from a position of "what can I get for free." But hopefully he will do something selfless for someone and the chain will continue.

I am a generous person, but what I have experienced in GW is that typically if you give something to a player that appears in need, often times they will add you to their friends list and try to get more handouts from you later. Being an enabler is not good for you, and not good for the person getting the handout. So instead, when someone is asking for a handout, I try to coach them on how to get what they need themselves. If they are patient enough to see the value of my words, they benefit. But many people are not smart enough to see the value, and they just move on to try to mooch off someone else. Unfortunately, we are in a generation of victims.

My challenge to you is this: Find one person (it won't be hard) that has a need. But instead of giving them what they want, say the following: "I'm not going to just give you "X." I'm going to give you something better than "X." I'm going to teach you how to get lots of "X." If they stick with you, you're on your way to making the GW universe a better place. And yes, you can get them to "pay it forward."

Nice to hear you got your money back and that people helped you out. There are thousands of nice people out there, just the punks are the ones you remember. I wonder tho...would they have ever given yoru money back if you did not post this in teh begining? I doubt it. I once saw someone saying WTB 2 necro tomes 14k. I pm him 2 necro tomes? He said yes. I traded him 2 necro tomes he gave me 14k. He accepted then said Are you trying to scam me! I said no you said 2 necro tomes. He said I meant 2 eleite necro tomes. Lol I gave him his money back and told him watch what you say next time you never said 2 elite tomes.

yea its not about the age ita how u grew up.but its gd to know that such a nice ppl exist in gw

Scammers, cheaters, flamers, trolls, exploiters, ebayers, cyberers, etc..?

...dime a dozen.

Honest people...?

near-extinction.

Umm.... I did read it, that was the whole point of the post.... I hate it when people use such a thing as a get-out-of-jail-free card, and I hate it that people who 'have been to iraq' automatically get treated as godly heroes when in fact they might have done nothing or even done something wrong. I'm not saying the OP didn't do anything great over there, I'm just saying that "I've been to iraq" without any context shouldn't bring 'civilians' kowtowing before them. I'm glad the OP explained that she meant she had a sudden influx of cash as a result of her period not gaming, and not "omg you should give me my moneys back because I've been to iraq!". In any case, such a thing shouldn't even matter: the agreement was 75g for a green dye. There was no intent to pay 75k. As a result, the other party should refund 74,925g regardless of anything else.

I'm not trying to troll or be insensitive with this post, I'm just being realistic.

P.S. I'm not American.

Well I think this is a wonderful story ^^
The fact that someone cared enough to seek you out and give you was a very kind thing to do. Kudos to that person if she's reading this. On top of that you offering to give them back once the guy reimbursed you? Also pretty considerate.
Morals, compassion and consideration. These sort of traits in other players make the game worthwhile playing for me.
If you ever want another player to go through some bits with you, whisper me.

Being a teenager doesn't automatically make someone an asshole.

Anyway, blackstarling, glad to hear you got your money back, and ignore those who say "75k is nothing". That might be the case for some people, but not all. The most money I've ever had in-game at one point was about 230k and I felt insanely rich.

And yes, there are definitely nice people in this game. However, it's the obnoxious idiots that are the loudest so the nice ones always seem to get passed over/ignored/fade into the woodwork.

Cant even be bothered to read all the rest of posts, my view of whole thing is your origionally too cheap to pay an extra 25g to buy the dye, then your too stupid to pay 75gold instead of 75k, then come on here and persuade other people to harrass the guy til he gave you the money back. Well hats off to you, some of these people might be 'Good' people, but your not.......

If it was me theres no way id give it back just to spite you for making people PM me constantly about it, not that id have taken it in the first place but still....

PS. Hope ya get your ass banned for breaching EULA by "...or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players."

I certainly hope she doesn't get banned for her behavior, but I hope she considers a different course of action in future. People make mistakes.

Yeah, the guy was a douche for keeping her money when she made a simple mistake, any decent person would have given it back. Being a douche but not breaking the rules of conduct... makes this a non event.

If there are any bans given out over this, I'm guessing they belong to the people who 'harassed and threatened' the scumbag guy until he relented.

PS: More GW dramas please.

I remember once reading a guild of the week/month about a PvP guild for people like you, or was it mute players x.x I dunno, worth looking into though, sorry I can't tell you more. To be painfully honest even those teams on vent fail to use it to a viable level to warrant getting on, so few people call what needs to be called or give proper commands other than "Spike in 3..2..1...THEIR SPLITTING DO SOMETHING" x.x You can spike visually if you have a clue and react on your own accord, I've played enough games with vent muted without issues to know that.

Bad pugs I guess sorry bud.

Nice to hear there are still nice people in GW.But this won't stop Anet from nerfing those skills.