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but Gun, thats exactly what happened, but instead of Chapter three, they went to EotN and changed focus
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Peace out.
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Gun Pierson
Peace out.
Lonesamurai
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What kind of a fool do you and JR take me for?
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Necromas
I seriously don't see why this is a big deal, the game isn't close to release.
Giga_Gaia
I think many here are at the point where Anet's "It'll be done when it's done" excuse no longer works; there's been nothing for so long that players are starting to become disillusioned. Because if their head developer/team leader Mike O'Brien had to write an official letter to address to the fans that "the game does exist", then there's a real problem here. Like someone before said, people should be looking forward to the game's release, not wondering if it even exists.
Phelann
These threads are frustratingly useless. Allow me to add a useless post to the dialogue.
This.
No one is asking for anets deepest darkest most brilliant secrets. Whats so damaging about a goddamn screenshot or titillating article? You can write an article about "design philosophy" or random stuff like that and it will build up hype without revealing anything special about game mechanics.
The current information blackout just seems completely ridiculous based on the timeline we were originally given. Obviously timelines change, but this is needlessly maddening and frankly leaves a feeling of abandonment. People do like to throw out the idea that "they dont OWE us anything" which I guess is technically true, but being completely ignored doesn't feel like we are being valued as the people that made the original game successful. I guarantee if I'm given actual information and not just left frustrated that I will be all over the internet talking up guildwars 2, but right now if someone brings up any future mmos I'm certainly not throwing gw2 into the conversation. And I do think that conversations like that matter - this is why built in fan bases can be so useful. But how does the current state of affairs do anything to keep that built in fan base? Gw1 has been all but abandoned; the live team can't even do monthly balance updates (which, frankly, is completely unacceptable for a game like this). Meanwhile those people who do pop in to forums to try and get gw2 information (whether they play or not) are getting absolutely nothing, killing any anticipation they might have once had.
When my guild (who played GW together) decided to play warhammer, we all kept saying that it looked like it could be entertaining until gw2 came out. We now longer look at other games with that kind of outlook. Now I just want to find something to play period. Like other people keep saying: its hard to care anymore.
Whats worse, its hard to believe that anyone at anet cares if I care.
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Option #1.
I don't care about their innovation. All I want is the occasional screenshot update showing off their graphics and allowing for fan-speculation until the release of the game. Obviously Guild Wars 2 won't push the graphics envelope, because they've already stated that they are gearing it toward a wide market that doesn't require immensely powerful computers in order to run the game effectively. Therefore, in showing screenshots, one would think they are not playing their innovative hand. Anet = [Tease] |
No one is asking for anets deepest darkest most brilliant secrets. Whats so damaging about a goddamn screenshot or titillating article? You can write an article about "design philosophy" or random stuff like that and it will build up hype without revealing anything special about game mechanics.
The current information blackout just seems completely ridiculous based on the timeline we were originally given. Obviously timelines change, but this is needlessly maddening and frankly leaves a feeling of abandonment. People do like to throw out the idea that "they dont OWE us anything" which I guess is technically true, but being completely ignored doesn't feel like we are being valued as the people that made the original game successful. I guarantee if I'm given actual information and not just left frustrated that I will be all over the internet talking up guildwars 2, but right now if someone brings up any future mmos I'm certainly not throwing gw2 into the conversation. And I do think that conversations like that matter - this is why built in fan bases can be so useful. But how does the current state of affairs do anything to keep that built in fan base? Gw1 has been all but abandoned; the live team can't even do monthly balance updates (which, frankly, is completely unacceptable for a game like this). Meanwhile those people who do pop in to forums to try and get gw2 information (whether they play or not) are getting absolutely nothing, killing any anticipation they might have once had.
When my guild (who played GW together) decided to play warhammer, we all kept saying that it looked like it could be entertaining until gw2 came out. We now longer look at other games with that kind of outlook. Now I just want to find something to play period. Like other people keep saying: its hard to care anymore.
Whats worse, its hard to believe that anyone at anet cares if I care.
refer
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Selling updates 0_0.. to early buyers?
Wow thats a perfect idea.. Why not do this... NcSoft will sell you a lvl 20 characters with all the titles including PvP titles with a 10 staks of Zkeys and Ectos all char slots and every proffesion along with ALL the minis and special weapons -_- only 59.99 that way you dont have to play at all =) Joking ofcourse no offence =) |
pamelf
I think the situation is being handled badly. For instance we are simply ASSUMING they have reasons. At no point have they stated why they can't tell us things, they are simply staying stoically silent.
Cacheelma
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There should be a 4th option:
The lack of information is understandable, and I think ArenaNet had no choice after massively pulling in mmo-rpg players with their 'free to play' bait while their design was not fit for it and they had to start from scratch. I see some people are talking about and comparing the situation with Diablo3 so I can't resist, forgive me. This is what we know about Diablo3 so far: - focused on solo and cooperative play - 3 classes revealed - uses technology that makes it easy for them to create new content - will use the new battlenet - loot is important in the game and they use a complex loot generator that takes your current equipment into account. - no fixed creeps so every dungeon feels different when you play it again, same for loot. - you can join your friends, even if they have a lower or higher progressed character than yours, so zoning will be something like in GW I guess. - easy interface as you can use the mouse only to use skill combos. -... I can go on and on, here's a compilation of all known vids and dev interviews, enjoy: http://diablo3x.com/compilation-of-all-diablo-3-videos Next month we'll see BlizzCon 2009 and more will be revealed. Big difference if you compare this to the info about GW2, but whatever. You first have to have something decent before you can show off some eye candy. |
Blizzard don't seem to care about such thing when they reveal this kind of info; for Bioware, Mass Effect 2 is gonna be more or less the same as MA1 and years have been passed and there's still no good games released that use ANY good features of Mass Effect.
Hell, Bioware revealed a lot of innovative things with The Old Republic. I bet many companies (including Anet) are implementing those stuff right now. :P
Shadowmere
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No one is asking for anets deepest darkest most brilliant secrets. Whats so damaging about a goddamn screenshot or titillating article? You can write an article about "design philosophy" or random stuff like that and it will build up hype without revealing anything special about game mechanics.
The current information blackout just seems completely ridiculous based on the timeline we were originally given. Obviously timelines change, but this is needlessly maddening and frankly leaves a feeling of abandonment. People do like to throw out the idea that "they dont OWE us anything" which I guess is technically true, but being completely ignored doesn't feel like we are being valued as the people that made the original game successful. I guarantee if I'm given actual information and not just left frustrated that I will be all over the internet talking up guildwars 2, but right now if someone brings up any future mmos I'm certainly not throwing gw2 into the conversation. And I do think that conversations like that matter - this is why built in fan bases can be so useful. But how does the current state of affairs do anything to keep that built in fan base? Gw1 has been all but abandoned; the live team can't even do monthly balance updates (which, frankly, is completely unacceptable for a game like this). Meanwhile those people who do pop in to forums to try and get gw2 information (whether they play or not) are getting absolutely nothing, killing any anticipation they might have once had. When my guild (who played GW together) decided to play warhammer, we all kept saying that it looked like it could be entertaining until gw2 came out. We now longer look at other games with that kind of outlook. Now I just want to find something to play period. Like other people keep saying: its hard to care anymore. Whats worse, its hard to believe that anyone at anet cares if I care. |
Idk, ever since GW2 was announced it feels like Anet has simply started ignoring their community at large, no longer to we have monthly in-game Q&A sessions with an Anet official, honestly it was stuff like that that to me made me feel really appreciated by the company and at that point in time I really did find Anet to be great in the PR dept. However the last time I saw an Anet official in game was during the launch of the April update, and as I recall they all pointedly avoided any GW2 related questions.
And given what we do know about GW2 development timeline it has been in development for at least 2 years now. I simply don't understand why we only have 2-3 pieces of concept art as media for the game at this point (also remember those concept art pieces were in fact not released to promote the game but rather the artists behind them).
I'm out of ideas as to why we have had no official media releases 2 years into production. Releasing art or static shots of in game models in no way equates to competitors "stealing secrets" they would only serve to remind us that GW2 will in fact come and give us a reason to keep an eye on the game.
even given all that I still voted for #2 they may very well have good reasons for it, but until they announce something, anything, I simply won't be waiting for the game.
Nerel
I honestly don't think ArenaNet needs to come out and tell us the reasons they are keeping details so hush hush, the obvious reasons for keeping certain details of an MMO being worked on 'under wraps' are painfully obvious given the amount of competing games in the genre, the sheer volume of games in production, being released or new to the market.
That still doesn't mean there isn't a wealth of information that they could be sharing with us, both in the form of press releases or fansite progress updates, discussing some aspects of the game that aren't a big secret likely to be stolen by a competitor, artwork, both concept art and limited screen shots of game elements are an obvious area.
For those folks discussing the original 6 month per expansion idea of Guild Wars, interviews all over the 'net from 2004 and 2005 featuring Jeff Strain stating that they were planning on a six month cycle. He also say that the subscription free model based on expansions every six months wouldn't fail.
I was sure they originally stated 6-12 months per expansion, but it seems I was wrong as I can't find that broader time frame mentioned in any of the old interviews.
That still doesn't mean there isn't a wealth of information that they could be sharing with us, both in the form of press releases or fansite progress updates, discussing some aspects of the game that aren't a big secret likely to be stolen by a competitor, artwork, both concept art and limited screen shots of game elements are an obvious area.
For those folks discussing the original 6 month per expansion idea of Guild Wars, interviews all over the 'net from 2004 and 2005 featuring Jeff Strain stating that they were planning on a six month cycle. He also say that the subscription free model based on expansions every six months wouldn't fail.
I was sure they originally stated 6-12 months per expansion, but it seems I was wrong as I can't find that broader time frame mentioned in any of the old interviews.
Big_Daddy
How about adding #4 : I just don't care about GW2. It comes when it comes?
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I'm starting to get the feeling that every Guild Wars 2 thread is just made for an excuse to bitch. I mean every single one made comes down to 'Anet owes us more information' (which isn't even true). We've had this same discussion probably about a thousand times. Move on, play another game, I'm sure there is something else in your life that could replace guild wars. Then in a few years when the game is actually released come back and play it if you're still interested.
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Nerel
Oh, paid blizzard shrills? I like conspiracy theories, and therefore must endorse HawkofStorms' post. Damn you Blizzard!
Agar
To the people saying GW2 will never be released: You have no idea how the gaming industry works dont you? Check dis out: Aion is coming out in September how many of you wouldnt try it if you knew release date and alot more info about GW2? I was about to play Aion if i hadnt decided start again GW and feel my HoM. In short: GW2 info before Aion is released = Bad business for Ncsoft.
Brett Kuntz
The lack of information is understandable, and I think ArenaNet is handling the situation well.
News & game information does not translate to increased sales, so it is 100% suicidal giving your competitors a heads up on what you are working on, especially this early in development.
News & game information does not translate to increased sales, so it is 100% suicidal giving your competitors a heads up on what you are working on, especially this early in development.
Agar
I also agree with Kuntz, one of the reasons Blizzard delay their games and dont give much info is because they are waiting for big well establized games to come out so they can be sure they are ahead of them and dont forget Anet has alot of former Blizzard employees...
Gigashadow
Speaking of Blizzard, they are not exactly in a happy place right now, given that WoW has been shut down in China for over a month now, costing them half their subscriptions (and even when it was up, they weren't allowed to import WoTLK).
http://tobolds.blogspot.com/2009/07/...5-million.html
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/new...hp?story=24341
http://tobolds.blogspot.com/2009/07/...5-million.html
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/new...hp?story=24341
Divine Ashes
With so very little info being given on the production (or even lack thereof) of Guild Wars 2, it's hard to tell if they're either just keeping it under wraps to build up anticipation (or other reasons), or if they're really not as far along as we all think or might like to think (even if "far" is not very far at all). I understand that they may be keeping it under wraps due to competition reasons, but it's a double-edged sword; you may not be showing competitors exactly what it is they have to beat, but you're also pushing away your already-established fan base with the lack of any sort of product or progress.
I chose the second option..
I chose the second option..
upier
The less I know of GW2 - the easier it is for me to not care about it.
And considering I wasted a few thousand hours in GW1 - that's not really a bad thing.
I mean, I am all excited about D3 - and yet I KNOW I could be doing better things in the time that will be wasted on playing that game. So why add ANOTHER time sink into my life!?
And considering I wasted a few thousand hours in GW1 - that's not really a bad thing.
I mean, I am all excited about D3 - and yet I KNOW I could be doing better things in the time that will be wasted on playing that game. So why add ANOTHER time sink into my life!?
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So why add ANOTHER time sink into my life!?
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Whether information is known or not at a given point, it's not going to have a significant impact on my decisions, which is based on the CONTENT of the information, not it's TIMING.
gremlin
The idea of a new chapter every 6 months or so was a good idea that didn't work.
It began ok but just wasn't sustainable, which is why they changed to starting again with GW2.
2 new chapters each with 2 classes every 6 months would mean we would be drowning in skills by now.
The older classes would need maybe 20 new skills every time a chapter came out and we would now have another five games instead of Eye of the North.
So that's 20 primary classes.
The warrior got 40 core and 35 prophesies skills, another 30 from Factions and 25 from Nightfall.
That's 130 in total with another 5 chapters released you could double that.
Based on a release every April and October which was the Factions Nightfall time scale.
It began ok but just wasn't sustainable, which is why they changed to starting again with GW2.
2 new chapters each with 2 classes every 6 months would mean we would be drowning in skills by now.
The older classes would need maybe 20 new skills every time a chapter came out and we would now have another five games instead of Eye of the North.
So that's 20 primary classes.
The warrior got 40 core and 35 prophesies skills, another 30 from Factions and 25 from Nightfall.
That's 130 in total with another 5 chapters released you could double that.
Based on a release every April and October which was the Factions Nightfall time scale.
Master Ketsu
My guess is the lack of GW2 info is NCsoft pressure. Their "Babies with money" fear it would compete with Aion.
Cacheelma
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The idea of a new chapter every 6 months or so was a good idea that didn't work.
It began ok but just wasn't sustainable, which is why they changed to starting again with GW2. 2 new chapters each with 2 classes every 6 months would mean we would be drowning in skills by now. The older classes would need maybe 20 new skills every time a chapter came out and we would now have another five games instead of Eye of the North. So that's 20 primary classes. The warrior got 40 core and 35 prophesies skills, another 30 from Factions and 25 from Nightfall. That's 130 in total with another 5 chapters released you could double that. Based on a release every April and October which was the Factions Nightfall time scale. |
"Capable team of developers" that is.
gerlin
I don't care of they give info or not. I loved GW every second i played it. I'm sure they won't RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO up GW2 then. So i wouldn't mind having to wake up one day and go OMGWTFBBQ GW2 IS IN BETA!! Same with when it does come out.
Once they reach beta you guys will find something else to whine about anyway?
Once they reach beta you guys will find something else to whine about anyway?
Faer
I feel that ArenaNet is handling the situation badly, by repeatedly telling fans how great the game is, how staff of both ArenaNet and NCSoft have played it, and silly things of that nature, without actually showing us anything of value. If they would stop hyping their own non-existent (so far as anyone on the outside knows) game, I would have no gripe with their lack of information on the subject. It's cool to say "we're working on it"; it is not so cool to say "we are playing this great game, maybe you'll see it next year if the rumors we will not confirm about the release are at all accurate".
We are not mules; we do not need carrots dangled in front of our faces. Especially when we are blindfolded, and can only smell the carrot. We can't tell if the carrot is actually there, just out of our reach, or if someone merely sprayed Eau de Daucus carota on a stick.
We are not mules; we do not need carrots dangled in front of our faces. Especially when we are blindfolded, and can only smell the carrot. We can't tell if the carrot is actually there, just out of our reach, or if someone merely sprayed Eau de Daucus carota on a stick.
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My guess is the lack of GW2 info is NCsoft pressure. Their "Babies with money" fear it would compete with Aion.
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Cacheelma
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We were promised info by the end of 2009.
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My guess is the lack of GW2 info is NCsoft pressure. Their "Babies with money" fear it would compete with Aion.
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Although i do understand the reason for it, it annoys me a little bit that we get no new info at all on GW2, just cos they are scared that people wont buy aion.
to be perfectly honest, that makes me worry about the faith they have in their own games, lol.
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Were we now? I just want to make it clear NOW instead of arguing with the BFB's cult followers later in the year whether we were promised of such thing or not.
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The question right after the yak art.
Now what "more information" we will be getting could be anyone's guess. Could just be about the books. Could be something truly substantive about GW2. Who knows?
EDIT: Mike O'Brien also echoes this in MMOzine Isssue 11.
SpiritThief
I'm content for now. Let them push their other games. Its better for us in the long run.
A longer dev time, the better the game will be. And if NC is doing well, I'm sure it will only help GW2 more.
*Also keep in mind that those other NC games most likely help keep GWs buy 2 play and without fees
A longer dev time, the better the game will be. And if NC is doing well, I'm sure it will only help GW2 more.
*Also keep in mind that those other NC games most likely help keep GWs buy 2 play and without fees
Nodakim
Guild Wars 2 News Timeline
Anybody heard any news about GW 2?Ever?
Anybody heard any news about GW 2?Ever?
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"Our main business is not to see what lies dimly at a distance, but to do what lies clearly at the hand." Thomas Carlyle
Nodakim
Just commenting the title of the topic,but seriosuly we shouldnt care about GW 2,there is no much a reason to care.
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Guild Wars 2 will be the new Duke Nukem Forever
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Sirius-NZ
There was news - in 2007.
A possibly amusing allegory; if GW1 was the old testament, and what we heard in '07 was like the "good news" and prophecy of the new, then the wait since then has been ... well ... the 2,000 years since then.
That would imply GW2 will be the second coming though, which is maybe going a bit too far. But there are plenty of other trivia I'm sure you can pull out of that.
A possibly amusing allegory; if GW1 was the old testament, and what we heard in '07 was like the "good news" and prophecy of the new, then the wait since then has been ... well ... the 2,000 years since then.
That would imply GW2 will be the second coming though, which is maybe going a bit too far. But there are plenty of other trivia I'm sure you can pull out of that.
Mordakai
Honestly, with WoW losing half of their "subscribers" (I put the term loosely, since most Chinese WoW players pay 6ยข an hour), I'm less worried about Guild Wars 2 perceived weakness.
When GW2 comes out (and it will, NCSoft would not promote Mike O'Brien if he was incompetent), it will sell based on the merits of the game, not based on how long it took to come out, or any lack of info at this point in time.
When GW2 comes out (and it will, NCSoft would not promote Mike O'Brien if he was incompetent), it will sell based on the merits of the game, not based on how long it took to come out, or any lack of info at this point in time.
Martin Firestorm
The GW2 announcement absolutely had to be made. What alternative was there? The absence of new chapters probably would've been noticed. The bigger problem I am having, and why I voted for the middle choice, is the lack of information about GW2. I take that as ex-blizzard people doing what blizzard does, but with the huge disadvantage of having to announce their project at its beginning instead of first unveiling a years or two before release. There's some paranoia there, but mainly I think its just a business model that anet management is comfortable with from their blizzard days.
Deakon
I bought GW because the articles and information I read led me to believe that I could buy one game, play for free and buy new content on a fairly regular basis... i.e. I'd have a never-ending game. The idea was very appealing. I didn't start playing until post-NF pre-EotN so I purchased all three campaigns available at the time. Turns out, I was misled. My never-ending game was coming to an end. No matter though... EotN was released to hold us over until the sequel was released. Once again, I was misled.
I think more information (doesn't have to be specific top-secret info that can be used by other game developers) should be forthcoming and soon. Especially considering some recent events (XTH for example) are causing people to wonder if the coding department was replaced with inbred monkeys. You can only use "the check is in the mail" so many times before it becomes suspect.
As of today, I'm still planning on pre-ordering GW2 but I doubt I'll be able to say the same thing in a year.
New info on GW2 or new (real) content for GW!
I think more information (doesn't have to be specific top-secret info that can be used by other game developers) should be forthcoming and soon. Especially considering some recent events (XTH for example) are causing people to wonder if the coding department was replaced with inbred monkeys. You can only use "the check is in the mail" so many times before it becomes suspect.
As of today, I'm still planning on pre-ordering GW2 but I doubt I'll be able to say the same thing in a year.
New info on GW2 or new (real) content for GW!
Brett Kuntz
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I feel that ArenaNet is handling the situation badly, by repeatedly telling fans how great the game is, how staff of both ArenaNet and NCSoft have played it, and silly things of that nature, without actually showing us anything of value. If they would stop hyping their own non-existent (so far as anyone on the outside knows) game, I would have no gripe with their lack of information on the subject. It's cool to say "we're working on it"; it is not so cool to say "we are playing this great game, maybe you'll see it next year if the rumors we will not confirm about the release are at all accurate".
We are not mules; we do not need carrots dangled in front of our faces. Especially when we are blindfolded, and can only smell the carrot. We can't tell if the carrot is actually there, just out of our reach, or if someone merely sprayed Eau de Daucus carota on a stick. |
In 7 weeks is PAX, they will probably have something very nice for us.
king swift
I think I'm more interested in Diablo 3. On blizzard's diablo website, it has gameplay videos and it seems appealing. Guild Wars needs some GAMEPLAY and fans will be excited.