I have noticed people talking about this a lot lately around guild wars. Just like to throw in an idea.
I used to HA back when the game just came out when it was in "tombs of primeval kings" before titles and Balthazar faction was introduced into the game. After rank discrimination began I noticed I spent more time searching for a party than actually inside HA. I saw this as a major flaw of PvP because I want to play more than I want to search for a party. Such discrimination does not exist in PvE, therefore I stopped PvP-ing all together.
My suggestion to minimize rank discrimination is to award more fame to parties with a wide variance of rank. For example a party of r9s will still get awarded the same amount of fame according to the current reward structure. Now take for example there was four r9s and four r3s, under my suggestion there would be an extra-fame bonus based exponentially on the players rank triggered because of the party accepting a number lower ranked players. IE everyone would receive fame under the current reward structure + a fame bonus...higher the rank larger the bonus.. more lower ranked players higher the bouns. This way it would be highly beneficial to a rank 12 players to play with and maybe teach much lower ranks bringing more people into the HA community.
Under this suggestion players are still rewarded for their experience and new players not only acceptable but desirable. Not only will this have positive effects for the game, but it will reduce the demand of ranked accounts being sold illegally online because of the desire of emote or the desire of acceptable rank.
This is assuming that fame is the ultimate goal....I assume this because of TAs unpopularity
I am not highly active in the PvP community so PvPers id appreciate your input.
Suggestion for Rank Discrimination
Mireles
fenix
The downside being of course, rank 14 players bringing 7 rank 13-14 guildies on unranked 2nd accounts, and getting ridiculous fame boosts when everyone is huge rank anyway.
Ugh
I'm all for reducing rank discrimination, but...
Many people have second accounts. A high-ranked player could just hop on his low-ranked account to get free fame for all his guildies/friends. His team wouldn't be helping out a low-ranked player, they would be a team of high ranks abusing the system for fame.
Edit: I'm a slow typist...
Many people have second accounts. A high-ranked player could just hop on his low-ranked account to get free fame for all his guildies/friends. His team wouldn't be helping out a low-ranked player, they would be a team of high ranks abusing the system for fame.
Edit: I'm a slow typist...
Zzes Tyan
put a rank 0 on bitchrole, FREE FAME FTW!
Helix Dreadlock
ofc it could be abused but isnt everything?
they buy accs and do fame runs.
/signed.
they buy accs and do fame runs.
/signed.
Show Some Skin
With 2nd accounts it would get abused but im all in for help get rid of rank discrimination so /signed
fenix
Another problem, is that there's no REAL reason to being terrible players. You can just rotate around between high rank accounts and low rank accounts so that everyone gets big fame boosts equally, as opposed to bringing low rank players for the boost.
People will still discriminate, because no one will want terrible rank 1 players ruining their bonus fame runs.
People will still discriminate, because no one will want terrible rank 1 players ruining their bonus fame runs.
Mireles
yeah i see that flaw, the bonus would have to be based more on the number of lower ranked players more than the low ranks themselves. Plus low rank accounts won't stay low for very long. High and low ranked players in the party would only be the trigger.
capashen
i just got a crazy idea . adding the rank of all players of a team shouldn't go over a number ( E.G. 40) . so low ranked and high ranked can be mixed.
a guild axpiring doing only HA so shoul buy more accounts this means more money for Anet and so a push for Gw2 ^^
a guild axpiring doing only HA so shoul buy more accounts this means more money for Anet and so a push for Gw2 ^^
Mireles
I find it a little far fetched that players will buy new accounts just to have a low ranked account to boost other peoples fames.... (wouldn't surprise me thou) this bonus i suggest should no way be larger than the base reward structure. just enough to provide incentive to accept a lower rank instead of waiting around for a higher rank.
dtru89
/signed
one of the main reasons i dont pvp is because i know people wont want me in thier group. no way for me to learn if a cant even join. dont want to wait an hour to just to find group.
one of the main reasons i dont pvp is because i know people wont want me in thier group. no way for me to learn if a cant even join. dont want to wait an hour to just to find group.
YunSooJin
It's more of the 'get higher ranked players to play with lower ranked players so everyone can be happy'
Except higher ranked players will just find ways to circumvent it (as already shared in this thread) or just be resentful of what they will view as another dumb idea. On average, a lower ranked less experience player will not be accepted by a higher ranked group, simply because a certain level of experience is needed by the group.
It's kind of like giving higher rewards to a group who brings a newbie along in pve, except this time you can possibly lose a lot and the gameplay experience is not as forgiving. bad idea from front to back.
Except higher ranked players will just find ways to circumvent it (as already shared in this thread) or just be resentful of what they will view as another dumb idea. On average, a lower ranked less experience player will not be accepted by a higher ranked group, simply because a certain level of experience is needed by the group.
It's kind of like giving higher rewards to a group who brings a newbie along in pve, except this time you can possibly lose a lot and the gameplay experience is not as forgiving. bad idea from front to back.
360??
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Such discrimination does not exist in PvE
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"LFG Ursan r9+"Yes, Ursan is nerfed, I know. That was just an example that that happens (or happened at least, not sure what the situation is atm) in PvE too.
Martin Alvito
Because high-ranked had to endure either running a lame build or running with bad people in order to network and meet good people, high-ranked has no sympathy for low-ranked's demands for a shortcut.
Your unwillingness to suck it up and work at improving your play and meeting better players is why you are low ranked. Start focusing on what you can do to better your situation and quit whining to others about the inherent unfairness of it all. If you don't bring something to the table, no one's going to want to take you. If other people don't know that you bring something to the table, no one will ask you to go. Solve those two problems and the fame will start coming.
As fenix already pointed out, the OP's suggestion does not accomplish the intended mission and presents opportunities for abuse.
Your unwillingness to suck it up and work at improving your play and meeting better players is why you are low ranked. Start focusing on what you can do to better your situation and quit whining to others about the inherent unfairness of it all. If you don't bring something to the table, no one's going to want to take you. If other people don't know that you bring something to the table, no one will ask you to go. Solve those two problems and the fame will start coming.
As fenix already pointed out, the OP's suggestion does not accomplish the intended mission and presents opportunities for abuse.
Hell Raiser
Rank 3 is only 180 points, and from there you can join better and better groups. It's very simple: if you think you're good enough to play with high rank players, then it should be no problem for you to get to rank 3 and work your way up. If you're not good enough, or at least not patient enough, what makes you think you'll be able to pull your weight among high ranked players?
I'm barely even rank 3 (184 points, been that way for years), and I'm going to have to say /notsigned.
I'm barely even rank 3 (184 points, been that way for years), and I'm going to have to say /notsigned.
Still Number One
the reason there is rank discrimination is because good players don't want to waste their time playing with bad players. Even if you implement this it won't change anything. Just because you can tell the high ranked player he can get more fame, doesn't mean he can get more wins. So in reality you would get more fame with the higher ranked players because you would be more likely to win.
This "rank discrimination is bad" argument is stupid. Stop trying to make proven players gimp their teams and take bad players. Get better then you can play with them. They don't want to play with you because you suck. In order to not suck, you have to get a guild filled with fellow sucky players and play the crap out of the game until you don't suck anymore. Then you can play with people who don't suck. Until then if you suck, you play with others who do suck. It is very simple I don't know why you people can't grasp it. You start at the bottom and work your way up. You play with people at your level. You don't play with people above your level. That is how you improve.
This "rank discrimination is bad" argument is stupid. Stop trying to make proven players gimp their teams and take bad players. Get better then you can play with them. They don't want to play with you because you suck. In order to not suck, you have to get a guild filled with fellow sucky players and play the crap out of the game until you don't suck anymore. Then you can play with people who don't suck. Until then if you suck, you play with others who do suck. It is very simple I don't know why you people can't grasp it. You start at the bottom and work your way up. You play with people at your level. You don't play with people above your level. That is how you improve.
B E A S T M O D E
the whole concept of rank discrimination is totally stupid...when i was rank 0, i played with a bunch of other rank 0's until i found a few that i stuck with...a poor person doesn't walk into an upscale restaurant expecting to get cheap food...by the same token, you can't just go to id1 straight from pve and expect to join a R10+ team...there are enough brainless retarded builds to feed r0+ people fame...stop crying...seriously
Shasgaliel
hmm everytime we want do HA there are never sufficient players for it. Outpost is deserted and alliance is silent. We have r7 we have r0 and we do not care whom we take and still we end up taking heroes since there is no one looking for a group. Or one wants bloodspike and other wants balanced and then group does not form since there is no consensus. What is the point of rank discrimination nowadays? People have their own groups. They already know all other high ranked players since they fight them all the time. Taking someone new may reduce their coordination and harm the whole team. One team of r10 faces team of r10. Would anyone even consider taking a r3 to his r10 group seeing group of other r10 in the HA outpost?
Shayne Hawke
Solution to rank discrimination:
Your guild.
/notsigned
Your guild.
/notsigned
Fabez
I'm all for reducing rank discrimination/elitist behavior, which some people above me have so amazingly displayed (thanks for proving my point, I owe you one). The problem is that I don't think you're going to change a certain "thought process" by ways of a game mechanic.
While I see your reasoning for this suggestion, I doubt many of the higher-ranked players would be willing to put more then a single lower-ranked player into their team. It would lower their chances of winning if they took more, and some (non-gimmick) builds simply do require a certain skill level, which lower-ranked players may or may not have.
Due to the above, as mentioned before by others, I don't find it unthinkable that they'll just take one of their alternate accounts (low-ranked) with them to gain the bonus, without actually using the system the way it was intended.
The best solution I can give you now is to either go with friends/guild-/alliance members, or to start your own groups for HA.
- Fabez, r1 Hero player and proud of it.
While I see your reasoning for this suggestion, I doubt many of the higher-ranked players would be willing to put more then a single lower-ranked player into their team. It would lower their chances of winning if they took more, and some (non-gimmick) builds simply do require a certain skill level, which lower-ranked players may or may not have.
Due to the above, as mentioned before by others, I don't find it unthinkable that they'll just take one of their alternate accounts (low-ranked) with them to gain the bonus, without actually using the system the way it was intended.
The best solution I can give you now is to either go with friends/guild-/alliance members, or to start your own groups for HA.
- Fabez, r1 Hero player and proud of it.
AmbientMelody
/notsigned
You would only create a mass-scale fame farming with guild smurfs, followed by mass sell of high ranked accounts on ebay. If you think it would make you more likely to get invited because you have a lower rank, you are mistaken. Plus, in order to farm fame like many are doing already now, you need to have good build, good communication and good team. If either fails, no 'fame' for you. HA is guild-based environment basically since IWAY and similar builds got nerfed to dust ... nerfed mainly because they require way less effort to work than a spike build, which can be as effective, but even the latter took a good share of nerfs.
What needs to be done is introduction of HA ladder ranking, based on solo accounts. Upon entering HA it would simply sum up the ratings and look for a foe closest to your 'global' or 'combined' ranking of the team, to not throw you against an elite guild if there are other teams avaible at the moment. I'm not sure how would it deal with heroes in teams, though ... perhaps a median of 'combined' rank of human players in the team per each hero.
PS. If someone wants to repost my opinion as a suggestion thread in Sardelac Sanitarium, feel free to do so. PM me first though, I'd like to participate in that thread and give feedback.
You would only create a mass-scale fame farming with guild smurfs, followed by mass sell of high ranked accounts on ebay. If you think it would make you more likely to get invited because you have a lower rank, you are mistaken. Plus, in order to farm fame like many are doing already now, you need to have good build, good communication and good team. If either fails, no 'fame' for you. HA is guild-based environment basically since IWAY and similar builds got nerfed to dust ... nerfed mainly because they require way less effort to work than a spike build, which can be as effective, but even the latter took a good share of nerfs.
What needs to be done is introduction of HA ladder ranking, based on solo accounts. Upon entering HA it would simply sum up the ratings and look for a foe closest to your 'global' or 'combined' ranking of the team, to not throw you against an elite guild if there are other teams avaible at the moment. I'm not sure how would it deal with heroes in teams, though ... perhaps a median of 'combined' rank of human players in the team per each hero.
PS. If someone wants to repost my opinion as a suggestion thread in Sardelac Sanitarium, feel free to do so. PM me first though, I'd like to participate in that thread and give feedback.
own age myname
/notsigned
I myself am only r1, but, rank discrimiation exists for a reason. High rank doesn't show skill, it shows experience. High ranks don't have low ranks because the majority are horrible with no experience.
Join a guild for HA, there is actually a lot of unranked HA guilds out.
I myself am only r1, but, rank discrimiation exists for a reason. High rank doesn't show skill, it shows experience. High ranks don't have low ranks because the majority are horrible with no experience.
Join a guild for HA, there is actually a lot of unranked HA guilds out.
EPO Bot
I don't care much. HA is way too meta. I would like a random version of HA instead.
Sarevok Thordin
Sorry but at this point even I have to say rank discrimination will *NEVER* go away. The elitist HAers will abuse every loophole and cranny they can if a system like this was in place to ensure only players they want are in and in the state they want, i.e 1 experienced player an a 2nd account to boost fame.
It's far too late to do anything about the situation now.
All you can really do is build a Gladiator rank and see if people take you based on that instead, which is not a very high chance. HAers themselves are killing/have killed HA.
It's far too late to do anything about the situation now.
All you can really do is build a Gladiator rank and see if people take you based on that instead, which is not a very high chance. HAers themselves are killing/have killed HA.
Avarre
This problem makes a wrong assumption that the issue is rank discrimination. It's not.
HA, like all other areas, works by skill and experience discrimination. Rank is simply the easiest indicator of that for PUGs, and thus is symptomatic of players only wanting to group with others of similar skill. Making changes to rank isn't going to have an effect on that, because there are other ways to determine who is actually good.
If anything, rank helps PUGs form by allowing players to find others with experience rather than purely relying on friends lists (which most do anyways). The problem seems to be players with no experience who want to get into experienced groups. That's not going to happen without good networking.
HA, like all other areas, works by skill and experience discrimination. Rank is simply the easiest indicator of that for PUGs, and thus is symptomatic of players only wanting to group with others of similar skill. Making changes to rank isn't going to have an effect on that, because there are other ways to determine who is actually good.
If anything, rank helps PUGs form by allowing players to find others with experience rather than purely relying on friends lists (which most do anyways). The problem seems to be players with no experience who want to get into experienced groups. That's not going to happen without good networking.
Trub
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Most high ranked HA teams are in their respective guilds, and are in it for the competition.
There is no reason for them to gimp themselves with low-unranked players....that wouldn't be fun.
They gained their fame by competing against others that wanted the same thing: to win!
Why risk losing with a player that doesn't have the experience or instincts they have developed over years of playing?
I'm sorry.../notsigned.
bitchbar player
I have a question, why are you all calling high ranked players elitist?
It is the same as if i want to join an uwsc, i have no clue what to do their, would you take me? Probably not right. So why would a group of experienced ha players take a unexperienced player which reduces their chance of succes? Would you take me on uwsc if you would think i would screw up your run?
And yeah this idea wont work because most high ranked players use guilds or f-lists so second accounts would be the way to go. It is like asking a top gvg guild to take a unexperienced player into the Monthly.
It is the same as if i want to join an uwsc, i have no clue what to do their, would you take me? Probably not right. So why would a group of experienced ha players take a unexperienced player which reduces their chance of succes? Would you take me on uwsc if you would think i would screw up your run?
And yeah this idea wont work because most high ranked players use guilds or f-lists so second accounts would be the way to go. It is like asking a top gvg guild to take a unexperienced player into the Monthly.
Eddie Frenzy Spam
Rank discrimination is not a problem. The only people who seem to think it's a problem are the newer players who aren't willing to put in the effort and want some fast track to becoming good (I.e having good players spoon feed them everything).
Rank is a excellent way for people to gauge the experience of another player and therefore decide whether he is worth bringing a long. If you haven't got the experience then you shouldn't expect to play with people with a lot more experience than you have. You don't expect Top 10 GvG'ers to bring a long people in r1000 guilds do you? You don't expect the hardcore PvE'ers (can't believe I just said that) to bring a long someone who hasn't played the game before. It's just a waste of time.
Basically if you can't be bothered to play with people that have similar experience to yourself and learn together than you really shouldn't expect other people, with better experience, to take you either.
You just have to get used to playing with people who are at the same level as you and you'll find that although the fame comes in relatively slowly, your experience as a player will also dramatically increase as you move up the ranks, you'll also find once you hit around r7 and can look back at how much you've learned, you will realise why the good players never wanted to take you in the first place.
Rank is a excellent way for people to gauge the experience of another player and therefore decide whether he is worth bringing a long. If you haven't got the experience then you shouldn't expect to play with people with a lot more experience than you have. You don't expect Top 10 GvG'ers to bring a long people in r1000 guilds do you? You don't expect the hardcore PvE'ers (can't believe I just said that) to bring a long someone who hasn't played the game before. It's just a waste of time.
Basically if you can't be bothered to play with people that have similar experience to yourself and learn together than you really shouldn't expect other people, with better experience, to take you either.
You just have to get used to playing with people who are at the same level as you and you'll find that although the fame comes in relatively slowly, your experience as a player will also dramatically increase as you move up the ranks, you'll also find once you hit around r7 and can look back at how much you've learned, you will realise why the good players never wanted to take you in the first place.
the Puppeteer
just give every player a r3 bambi and it's fixed
Pugs Not Drugs
Rank discrimination isnt as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Just make your own group. I've made r7++ groups as a r2. Nobody checks the leader.
REDdelver
hmmmmm I just wonder......a life with no (rank or other) "discrimination".... a life where people actually enjoy other people who are different from them......a life where people who are "better/more seasoned" bring people who arent to help them...... This only exists in small pockets. And unfortunately it will never exist to the extent you and most people would like.
While it would be great and wonderful for something like this to happen....realistically its impossible. ESSENTIALLY...What you want is for people to change the basic dynamics of their animalistic behavior.
Its not just rank discrimination...its power hierarchry. Its im better than you. Its i dont want to play with that scrub. Its i dont want to play with that n***** (bomb). Its i dont want to play with that frenchie. and so on.
Excuse my usage of wordage...its only to make a true factual point.
All the countless vents/ts's ive been on ...where there is so much hate of other people they dont even know or could care less to even know. Its about fitting in.
And even if it isnt to an extreme extent of "discrimination," people just generally want to play with certain people. Is that discrimination? sure in a simple form. Is the obvious intent to exclude others...not really. But even if I have a group of 8 people i absolutely love playing with.....essentially by not letting anyone in to play....is a form of discrimination.
This really is a struggle between 3 general portions of your brain. One simple thoughts. One being reasoning/rationalization. The 3rd being animalistic. If most people cant even stop discriminating in real life, how can they be expected to stop in a game where you hide behind a monitor. Whether anyone likes or not, we all do it to some extent.
What you are asking for goes above and beyond this game and what ANET can do to help.
PS It does happen in PVE. It happens everywhere.
While it would be great and wonderful for something like this to happen....realistically its impossible. ESSENTIALLY...What you want is for people to change the basic dynamics of their animalistic behavior.
Its not just rank discrimination...its power hierarchry. Its im better than you. Its i dont want to play with that scrub. Its i dont want to play with that n***** (bomb). Its i dont want to play with that frenchie. and so on.
Excuse my usage of wordage...its only to make a true factual point.
All the countless vents/ts's ive been on ...where there is so much hate of other people they dont even know or could care less to even know. Its about fitting in.
And even if it isnt to an extreme extent of "discrimination," people just generally want to play with certain people. Is that discrimination? sure in a simple form. Is the obvious intent to exclude others...not really. But even if I have a group of 8 people i absolutely love playing with.....essentially by not letting anyone in to play....is a form of discrimination.
This really is a struggle between 3 general portions of your brain. One simple thoughts. One being reasoning/rationalization. The 3rd being animalistic. If most people cant even stop discriminating in real life, how can they be expected to stop in a game where you hide behind a monitor. Whether anyone likes or not, we all do it to some extent.
What you are asking for goes above and beyond this game and what ANET can do to help.
PS It does happen in PVE. It happens everywhere.
Avarre
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This really is a struggle between 3 general portions of your brain. One simple thoughts. One being reasoning/rationalization. The 3rd being animalistic. If most people cant even stop discriminating in real life, how can they be expected to stop in a game where you hide behind a monitor. Where anyone likes or not. We all do it to some extent.
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Daesu
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Rank discrimination is not a problem. The only people who seem to think it's a problem are the newer players who aren't willing to put in the effort and want some fast track to becoming good (I.e having good players spoon feed them everything).
Rank is a excellent way for people to gauge the experience of another player and therefore decide whether he is worth bringing a long. If you haven't got the experience then you shouldn't expect to play with people with a lot more experience than you have. You don't expect Top 10 GvG'ers to bring a long people in r1000 guilds do you? You don't expect the hardcore PvE'ers (can't believe I just said that) to bring a long someone who hasn't played the game before. It's just a waste of time. Basically if you can't be bothered to play with people that have similar experience to yourself and learn together than you really shouldn't expect other people, with better experience, to take you either. You just have to get used to playing with people who are at the same level as you and you'll find that although the fame comes in relatively slowly, your experience as a player will also dramatically increase as you move up the ranks, you'll also find once you hit around r7 and can look back at how much you've learned, you will realise why the good players never wanted to take you in the first place |
Ironically, it is rare in a game such as this because most people are just interested in their own enjoyment. It is the old "I bought this game to enjoy myself, not to help others mentality".If you only work with people of similar ranks that are as strong as you are, then you are only helping yourself out, aren't you? This is why I hate HA and TA.
Martin Alvito
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All the countless vents/ts's ive been on ...where there is so much hate of other people they dont even know or could care less to even know.
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Since this is a team game, if you don't bring skill to the table you are wasting my time and the time of every other member of the team. Competence is a vital ingredient. If you don't bring it to the table, and you blame everybody else for discriminating against you because you can't be bothered to develop competence, you have no one to blame but yourself.
Most truly competitive players would prefer to be the WORST member on the team for a couple of reasons. First of all, you enjoy the most short-term success. More importantly, you have the best growth opportunity. You've got seven better players that you have the opportunity to learn from, and you're put under some pressure to grow or be replaced. This usually leads to the greatest development as a player.
The catch is that those other players aren't willing to put up with too large a skill disparity, or you hold them back and effectively waste THEIR time.
REDdelver
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Here you reveal that you don't understand the problem. It's not about conformance to social norms, or blind discrimination against "those who are different". In many ways, this community is the inverse of society as a whole; people will put up with a lot socially to play with a team with skill. Since this is a team game, if you don't bring skill to the table you are wasting my time and the time of every other member of the team. Competence is a vital ingredient. If you don't bring it to the table, and you blame everybody else for discriminating against you because you can't be bothered to develop competence, you have no one to blame but yourself. Most truly competitive players would prefer to be the WORST member on the team for a couple of reasons. First of all, you enjoy the most short-term success. More importantly, you have the best growth opportunity. You've got seven better players that you have the opportunity to learn from, and you're put under some pressure to grow or be replaced. This usually leads to the greatest development as a player. The catch is that those other players aren't willing to put up with too large a skill disparity, or you hold them back and effectively waste THEIR time. |
There in-lies my point. The chances of your explanation of being the greater percentage of thinking are probably slim. So therefore, you are probably an exception. (which is a good thing)
For one to know one doesnt have any skill to bring to table, one must place with that "one" first......right? Rank discrimination begins at what rank you are, not at what rank you play at. While we are both right, my statements tends to support "rank discrimination" which is the topic.....where yours tends to support skill level "discrimination."
Theres a difference. If you take on someone with low rank and they show they can play....hey great for both of you. But if you dont pick up someone because they are unranked. Theres your difference.
While I believe we are one the same page, I fealt there need to be some clarification.
Edit ...I'll explain my thinking in another way.
I used to be a supervisor in a large beer distribution warehouse. I hired 2 people at same time, both with no forklift experience. I could have easily said to HR that I didnt want them because of no forklift experience. (but I didnt) One guy picked up running the forklift/duties easily within the 3 month grace performance period. The other struggled and struggled.
As much help and assistance I gave him, he was unable to do what was needed to do the job and help out the crew. Sadly, I had to hire someone else. Fact was, we had a business to operate and things need to be done by a certain time.......and we needed people who could do the job.
Scythe O F Glory
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Solution to rank discrimination:
Your guild. /notsigned |
Sai Rith
OR you could make a guild and friends with others at your rank and be patient? The problem with every (or 95%) r0-2 is that they all they think they deserve to be with better ranked players, and think that the other r0-2s are worse than them. Just get start a guild with unranked players who are patient and have the dedication.
/notsigned
/notsigned
Martin Alvito
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Theres a difference. If you take on someone with low rank and they show they can play....hey great for both of you. But if you dont pick up someone because they are unranked. Theres your difference.
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Rank is a low cost signal. It's not a great one. It never was, but as time passes it takes more and more rank to actually signal anything. Most highly ranked players that you could pug are also bad, but on average they will be far superior to the low ranked player.
My view may be a minority view, but experience suggests to me that as you move further up the food chain the views of players continue to more closely approximate that view.
fires element
more often than not ppl will still play with those they know so ending rank discrimination won't change anything. but if you want to get rid of all the LF R x+++ then just eliminate the hero title track all together
Daesu
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OR you could make a guild and friends with others at your rank and be patient? The problem with every (or 95% of them) r0-2 is that they all they think they deserve to be with better ranked players, and think that the other r0-2s are worse than them. Just get start a guild with unranked players who are patient and have the dedication.
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