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Yoom Omer

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27 Jul 2009 at 20:24 - 81

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Originally Posted by Arduinna

I don't want solid details, I'd like to be included into the process of creating the new update, as I was expecting would happen after the "We want players to feel connected to what we are developing even though it may be months away from release, so during development we will be more open about our process and what we are working on."

Also, Regina posted this in response to a player asking her about this, not because Anet decide to ''Hey, let's keep our playerbase informed by handing out some information every now and then". Small detail, but it emphasizes the nature of communication.

But maybe I'm expecting too much from Anet at the moment.

I doubt its that hard a job... I mean, all they have to do is ask regina to make a post: "Hello guys, I'm not allowed to tell you what exactly everything we're doing, but I can tell you a tiny bit: XYZ. If everything goes as planned, it should be ready by ZXY" Thats it. A.Net is losing the player base because of that lack of communication. All they have to do is just to come here and make some posts, even if no real new info. will be in them, at least we know we're getting un update. Or, if we aren't, they can also tell us that and why... It really isn't that complicated...

Spiritweaver

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27 Jul 2009 at 20:30 - 82

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Originally Posted by Arduinna

Also, Regina posted this in response to a player asking her about this, not because Anet decide to ''Hey, let's keep our playerbase informed by handing out some information every now and then". Small detail, but it emphasizes the nature of communication.

But maybe I'm expecting too much from Anet at the moment.

So wait, you complain that Anet don't communicate enough, and when they do communicate, you still complain?

Maybe you are expecting too much.

Don't get me wrong, maybe they could be a bit more forward with the approach to issues and updates, but somehow I feel that people are taking this issue way too far for what is essentially a non subscription based online game.

Daesu

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27 Jul 2009 at 20:46 - 83

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Originally Posted by Yoom Omer

I doubt its that hard a job... I mean, all they have to do is ask regina to make a post: "Hello guys, I'm not allowed to tell you what exactly everything we're doing, but I can tell you a tiny bit: XYZ. If everything goes as planned, it should be ready by ZXY" Thats it. A.Net is losing the player base because of that lack of communication. All they have to do is just to come here and make some posts, even if no real new info. will be in them, at least we know we're getting un update. Or, if we aren't, they can also tell us that and why... It really isn't that complicated...

That's right, there is a lack of communication here. Real communication, just tell us the estimated time when a developer would be freed up to work on the XTH, if you can't give us an ETA. How hard is that?

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Originally Posted by Spiritweaver

Don't get me wrong, maybe they could be a bit more forward with the approach to issues and updates, but somehow I feel that people are taking this issue way too far for what is essentially a non subscription based online game.

Because unlike you, we actually DO care about when the XTH gets fixed:

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Originally Posted by Spiritweaver

I don't care either way. It's not like anyone's life depends on it or that Guild Wars has become unplayable because of it.

That is why you can never understand us.

Spiritweaver

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27 Jul 2009 at 20:52 - 84

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Because unlike you, we actually DO care about when the XTH gets fixed:

Why is it so important to you? Why do you care about an online virtual betting house so much?

lemming

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27 Jul 2009 at 20:54 - 85

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Because unlike you, we actually DO care about when the XTH gets fixed:

Nobody cares about your income stream.

Inde

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27 Jul 2009 at 21:13 - 86

More info courtesy of "obscure wiki talk pages" again (hey I <3 the wiki really, but finding this information is near impossible unless you just happen to stumble across it)-

Person asks:

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Hello Regina, just a quick question; at the start of the year Anet informed the community of a switch in the way it would be supplying new content, with monthly skill updates and 3-4 monthly content updates, while at the same time increasing the communication between anet and the player base as to what updates were being worked on and roughly when the community could hope to receive them. As the last content update was at the end of april, this would put the next content update at the end of august at the latest, however their still has not been any dev update informing the community about this coming content, therefore I am just curious as to if the content update itself will be delayed past its expected august date or if it has instead been decided to provide this content as a surprise to the community in august and thus the lack of a dev update?

Response from Regina:

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Originally Posted by Regina

That was from a developer update written by the development team. We have not forgotten about it. The team has been having discussions about future content updates, and of course those discussions are taking place while keeping that message in mind, but balancing that against what resources we have. You know that Linsey worked for months with no weekends, often working 80 or more hours per week and staying overnight at the office to get that update out the door. This is not a pace that Linsey can sustain forever. Because of the success of the update, we've been able to get resources to hire another designer. This will help Linsey so much with the workload. This hiring process has taken a while, but this is pretty normal when it comes to hiring. The team has high standards, and they've been looking for the most qualified and best candidates. Linsey is keenly aware of that messaging, and she knows that you want information. We just need to make sure that all our ducks are in a row before we discuss details in public.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...Content_update

Lishy

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27 Jul 2009 at 21:29 - 87

fun fact: Anet isn't Nintendo. Don't expect them to be as up to date as all the corporate kings of video games.

I see anet as a really small company who just happen to produce really great gems of video games. It's quite understandable that things are very slow for them and the fact they even get things done is a surprise with what a HUGE game guild wars is.

Players wonder why anet takes so long to produce updates. Well. Have you ever heard the term "Crunch time" before? Video game design takes a shitload long time. And like-said, Linsey worked without sleep. This is quite believable, especially for smaller video game teams because of the infamous "Crunch time"

Though, with that being made clear, if we'll get 7 heroes in the end, I'm willing to wait longer. In fact, I'd be happy if that's the whole content update. There's not much else GW needs besides a market place which had been scrapped. We don't need any more bells or whistles unless they get more devs.

Karate Jesus

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27 Jul 2009 at 21:29 - 88

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Originally Posted by Inde

More info courtesy of "obscure wiki talk pages" again (hey I <3 the wiki really, but finding this information is near impossible unless you just happen to stumble across it)

I'm usually all over Regina's page, because lately she's been pushed into saying things that actually shed some light on player issues (not often, but it happens). I still don't understand the point of having a PR team if Anet never tells us anything, but oh well.

Anyway, by the way she's been wording her statements on the wiki.....I would assume that the content update is going to either get delayed or scrapped. Just read it and tell me if you get a similar feeling, but I think it's delayed at best.

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

fun fact: Anet isn't Nintendo. Don't expect them to be as up to date as all the corporate kings of video games.

I see anet as a really small company who just happen to produce really great gems of video games. It's quite understandable that things are very slow for them and the fact they even get things done is a surprise.]

If Anet is too small to get things done, then they shouldn't be promising things they can't deliver.

For example: In college, I did some small-scale carpentry to earn a little extra money (just shelfs, bookcases, etc). I did the jobs that I could do. I never took on the large refurbishing jobs or the other shit that made lots of money, because I didn't have the time or resources to do it. And if I had taken on one of those jobs, I wouldn't have been able to do it, I would have lost the job, and then developed a bad reputation for starting jobs that I couldn't finish (which in a business that depends on your rep, that's a death-sentence).

Do you see what I mean? Don't fcking promise us something if it's more than your small staff can deliver. And, be fcking honest about why you can't do it or you develop a bad reputation, which can be a death sentence in the video game world as well.

Arduin

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27 Jul 2009 at 21:41 - 89

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Originally Posted by Spiritweaver

So wait, you complain that Anet don't communicate enough, and when they do communicate, you still complain?

Because she still isn't saying anything, not even if something is delayed or not.

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Originally Posted by Spiritweaver

Don't get me wrong, maybe they could be a bit more forward with the approach to issues and updates, but somehow I feel that people are taking this issue way too far for what is essentially a non subscription based online game.

So because it is a non subscription game we aren't allowed to expect Anet to release updates, even after they've said "We will have a major update every 3-4 months, we aren't forgetting about GW1"?

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

fun fact: Anet isn't Nintendo. Don't expect them to be as up to date as all the corporate kings of video games.

I see anet as a really small company who just happen to produce really great gems of video games. It's quite understandable that things are very slow for them and the fact they even get things done is a surprise.

Yeah, well, maybe I'm spoiled by the first few years of Guild Wars with the frequent update, ingame Gaile talks and such, because there used to be a lot more communication, even if Gaile told us "Sorry but I'm not allowed to talk about XYZ at the moment" All we have now is "The team has been having discussions about future content updates" Well, whoopdidoo, nice job on connecting to the playerbase there.

And yes, I know the Live Team is much, much smaller than the teams originally on GW1, but don't go throwing us a bone about being more open about future content updates, and at the same time not saying anything at all. Combined with no news at all concerning GW2 (which is another discussion, and expected because Aion needs to get all the attention), it's not the best PR out there.

Also, basically what ^---- Karate Jesus said.

Karate Jesus

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27 Jul 2009 at 21:54 - 90

Out of context quotes, ftw?

And like I said earlier, saying "Don't expect them to be as up to date as all the corporate kings of video games." is fine and all if they had not promised what we expect.

I don't EXPECT them to be Nintendo, and I doubt that Arduinna does either.

What I EXPECT is that they honor their promises, or not make them at all.

FireWhale

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27 Jul 2009 at 22:01 - 91

I don't agree with the nerfing ideal. Rather, Buff the unused skills and make the underused classes more interesting.

I don't really care if the sin next to me is doing 100 dps with his scythe as long as my dervish is doing something fun as well.

slowerpoke

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27 Jul 2009 at 22:17 - 92

Rough ETAs would be better than the 'wait and see' mentality.

Say 'within X months', then when they have a better idea, they could update the estimate to be more accurate with the number of weeks/days.

Karate Jesus

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27 Jul 2009 at 22:23 - 93

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Originally Posted by slowerpoke

Rough ETAs would be better than the 'wait and see' mentality.

Say 'within X months', then when they have a better idea, they could update the estimate to be more accurate with the number of weeks/days.

Hell, I don't even need rough dates. If they were just honest and said, "Hey, um...since we fck'd up the XTH, and spent too many man-hours working on it, the content update will be a month late".

I would personally be ok with that. At least it's honest.

Apollo Smile

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27 Jul 2009 at 22:26 - 94

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

Out of context quotes, ftw?

And like I said earlier, saying "Don't expect them to be as up to date as all the corporate kings of video games." is fine and all if they had not promised what we expect.

I don't EXPECT them to be Nintendo, and I doubt that Arduinna does either.

What I EXPECT is that they honor their promises, or not make them at all.

Nintendo is very hush hush on their games as well. We barely know anything about the next Zelda except for its being worked on. Remember how secretive they were before finally unveiling the Wii Remote?

Karate Jesus

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27 Jul 2009 at 22:29 - 95

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Originally Posted by Apollo Smile

Nintendo is very hush hush on their games as well. We barely know anything about the next Zelda except for its being worked on. Remember how secretive they were before finally unveiling the Wii Remote?

Did the developers of Zelda ever say,

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Originally Posted by Dev Team

We want players to feel connected to what we are developing even though it may be months away from release, so during development we will be more open about our process and what we are working on.

?

I doubt it. Like I said, I just want what they said they'd provide.

MMSDome

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27 Jul 2009 at 23:27 - 96

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Originally Posted by Inde

More info courtesy of "obscure wiki talk pages" again (hey I <3 the wiki really, but finding this information is near impossible unless you just happen to stumble across it)-

Person asks:

Response from Regina:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...Content_update

Worked for months with no weekends? Where is the result of all this "work." Sorry to hear that an employee is doing her job but for all her extra hours is she actually doing any work or just relaxing, sipping a beer, and playing guild wars? With that much work put in I would expect to see something come out of it.

I am tired of all the excuses we are getting from Regina. We were told we were going to be getting these big content update and it has been 4 months since the last one so we are due for our next big content update.

It isn't that we aren't getting an update that bother me it is the fact that we are constantly being lied to and Regina is putting a spin on things said in the past just to cover their own butts.

A bit of advice to the dev team, don't lie to us, tell us the truth. If you tell us the truth instead on constantly changing your story you may get a little bit more respect instead of the constant frustration you cause.

fenix

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27 Jul 2009 at 23:37 - 97

I'm with Dome, simply coming out and saying "Sorry guys, we've been delayed because of X and Y, but we're trying our hardest to get the content out to you. As a bonus we'll give *insert bonus weekend* for a week" is FAR more effective than constantly lying, changing stories, or simply saying nothing.

FlamingMetroid

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27 Jul 2009 at 23:41 - 98

Guild Wars is perfect; it doesn't need an update.

Arduin

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28 Jul 2009 at 00:59 - 99

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Originally Posted by MMSDome

I am tired of all the excuses we are getting from Regina. We were told we were going to be getting these big content update and it has been 4 months since the last one so we are due for our next big content update.

It's been 3 months, but hey

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Originally Posted by MMSDome

Worked for months with no weekends? Where is the result of all this "work." Sorry to hear that an employee is doing her job but for all her extra hours is she actually doing any work or just relaxing, sipping a beer, and playing guild wars? With that much work put in I would expect to see something come out of it.

As far as I know, Linsey has been working her butt off for the April update, basically doing the work of two people. Something I can only have the greatest of respect for. And content wise, the April update was a fair deal, as far as I as non-developer can tell.

Nodakim

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Hrvatska

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28 Jul 2009 at 01:03 - 100

To be honest,I dont think ANET is updating Guild Wars anymore,because you cant call a few people a real team?
At least thats the impression i got from Linsey and the CM pair,and to add to that the lack of updates proves me.

russiansteven

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28 Jul 2009 at 01:13 - 101

You all know that XTH was just something people used for money right? I mean what else could we have used XTH for? Since XTH is down nobody cares about the tournaments anymore. If they shuts down XTH, Z-keys will go up. If z-keys go up that means people will do more PvP and work for their z-keys instead of being lazy and relying on XTH to get them their z-keys, FoW sets, gold, whatever.

- Stop being lazy and actually work for your z-keys for now. When XTH is back-up go ahead and start slacking off again.

fog_of_redoubt

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28 Jul 2009 at 01:26 - 102

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Originally Posted by Melandrus Torment

I call bullshit right here.

You pay for the game but pay absolutely nothing for any of the updates you recieve. You don't pay for a subscription and anything else that's added to this game after your intitial purchase is done clearly off Anets own back. Therefore you don't really have any right to claim "well I paid for this service" because you are not paying for any service. XTH is not a service, and shouldn't even be considered as such (and if you really want to consider it as one it's most definitely a "free" service). When you start paying to use it then maybe you have grounds to complain.

Some of you people should be thankful they even add anything because they are most certainly not obliged to. I'm assuming you understood this when you first installed the game.

Oh and lastly a developer posted in this thread about it, go figure.

Crying about it isn't going to fix the problem any quicker.

And I call BS right back.

If Anet wants us to recognize a pattern here. A pattern of pay once, and DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT ASKING US FOR ANYTHING OR HOLDING US ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANYTHING, once you buy GW2??

Then maybe there will be a LOT of folks not buying. I am basing my purchase decision off of there support behavior.

Karate Jesus

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28 Jul 2009 at 01:42 - 103

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Originally Posted by fenix

I'm with Dome, simply coming out and saying "Sorry guys, we've been delayed because of X and Y, but we're trying our hardest to get the content out to you. As a bonus we'll give *insert bonus weekend* for a week" is FAR more effective than constantly lying, changing stories, or simply saying nothing.

I couldn't agree more. Has the PR team never heard of incentives? Whether they like it or not, GW has been getting treated like a red-headed step child.....and the community is reacting poorly to it (not that I speak for the whole community, but seriously.....just look here and on GWW. People who normally defend Anet are getting pissed).

Tell us you fck'd up, even though we already know you did, then as an act of attrition give us something to smooth it over.

Wish Swiftdeath

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28 Jul 2009 at 02:05 - 104

I think Linsey is doing a fine job, the problem is that Anet don't have enough staff on GW1 to give us the updates that they promised.

There isn't really alot one or two people can do, it's up to the people at the top to start hiring more people.

MMSDome

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28 Jul 2009 at 03:36 - 105

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Originally Posted by Arduinna

It's been 3 months, but hey

As far as I know, Linsey has been working her butt off for the April update, basically doing the work of two people. Something I can only have the greatest of respect for. And content wise, the April update was a fair deal, as far as I as non-developer can tell.

rounding up its 4 months seeing as august is a few days away.

Lishy

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28 Jul 2009 at 04:13 - 106

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Originally Posted by Wish Swiftdeath

I think Linsey is doing a fine job, the problem is that Anet don't have enough staff on GW1 to give us the updates that they promised.

There isn't really alot one or two people can do, it's up to the people at the top to start hiring more people.

This.
I hear Linsey sometimes workes 80 hours a week and sometimes stays overnight in the office.
Though there's rumors anet is hiring now for devs and that the hiring has been going on for a long time.

All I can say is, I feel bad for the team.

Master Ketsu

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28 Jul 2009 at 04:35 - 107

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Originally Posted by russiansteven

You all know that XTH was just something people used for money right? I mean what else could we have used XTH for? Since XTH is down nobody cares about the tournaments anymore. If they shuts down XTH, Z-keys will go up. If z-keys go up that means people will do more PvP and work for their z-keys instead of being lazy and relying on XTH to get them their z-keys, FoW sets, gold, whatever.

- Stop being lazy and actually work for your z-keys for now. When XTH is back-up go ahead and start slacking off again.

QFT

XTH == RMT

XTH should stay dead.

funway ftw

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28 Jul 2009 at 04:37 - 108

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

That was from a developer update written by the development team. We have not forgotten about it. The team has been having discussions about future content updates, and of course those discussions are taking place while keeping that message in mind, but balancing that against what resources we have. You know that Linsey worked for months with no weekends, often working 80 or more hours per week and staying overnight at the office to get that update out the door. This is not a pace that Linsey can sustain forever. Because of the success of the update, we've been able to get resources to hire another designer. This will help Linsey so much with the workload. This hiring process has taken a while, but this is pretty normal when it comes to hiring. The team has high standards, and they've been looking for the most qualified and best candidates. Linsey is keenly aware of that messaging, and she knows that you want information. We just need to make sure that all our ducks are in a row before we discuss details in public

so from this i read
1/ Linsey works hard and there was plenty of communication to that effect when the last update was postponed and when finally released this would also explain why linseys journal page died and wasnt posted in for almost a month.... (dont get me wrong i dont envy linseys job for one second!)A few skill balances (breaking more skills then fixing them like crazy) and cape awards later we are still none the wiser we know its "broken", we know its "gone" and we know you are "talking about it" what we want to know is what has happened in the last 45 days to fix it!! It wasnt as broken as it is now before the new interface can anyone actually accept that maybe that broke it? yes it was broken a "bit" before that, but its "stuffed" now!

and finally
2/ we cashed in on all the money the last update made us from the ingame "purchases" and we have convinced anet to let us spend some of it on another dev to help us create more updates people can spend money on!

I mean seriously the last update was a money sink for the community. It gave you no more ingame accesses or dungeons it just rewarded (and that is an overstatement) people for redoing mind numbing quests! That was just to gloss over the money grab that the rest of the so called "update" created.

The traveller isnt worth doing i see less and less people doing it weekly I know my guildies rarely bother and given time neither will anyone else.

Communication please!! whats happening?? Lack of response and communication only creates the feeling in the community that "not much" is happening at anet alltogether. Which then just snowballs to gws2 and the lack of communication with it as well but thats a seperate issue altogether.

Daesu

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28 Jul 2009 at 04:51 - 109

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Originally Posted by Master Ketsu

QFT

XTH == RMT

XTH should stay dead.

If they dont want to provide XTH then they shouldn't have advertised it on their website, convinced us to buy new accounts, then take our money.

If you take the money, you are obliged to provide the advertised service otherwise it would be unethical.

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

This.
I hear Linsey sometimes workes 80 hours a week and sometimes stays overnight in the office.
Though there's rumors anet is hiring now for devs and that the hiring has been going on for a long time.

All I can say is, I feel bad for the team.

Nobody says Linsey has to do all the work. With this bad economy I am sure there are lots of people looking for work.

If they cant get an expert coder right away, then they should train some promising person.

fenix

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28 Jul 2009 at 05:01 - 110

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Originally Posted by Daesu

If they dont want to provide XTH then they shouldn't have advertised it on their website, convinced us to buy new accounts, then take our money.

If you take the money, you are obliged to provide the advertised service otherwise it would be unethical.

Nobody says Linsey has to do all the work. With this bad economy I am sure there are lots of people looking for work.

If they cant get an expert coder right away, then they should train some promising person.

If you were convinced to buy new accounts because of their advertisements, you are doing it wrong. They were advertising the XTH so existing players would sign up, NOT so they would buy accounts, and so players who have quit/don't play the game are shown a cool new thing they can join the game to use.

Those who bought accounts just for XTH are greedy.

Mordakai

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28 Jul 2009 at 05:02 - 111

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Originally Posted by Daesu

If they dont want to provide XTH then they shouldn't have advertised it on their website, convinced us to buy new accounts, then take our money.

If you take the money, you are obliged to provide the advertised service otherwise it would be unethical.

That's quite a stretch. Was there a button to "Buy more accounts" next to the ad?

If you wanted to buy more accounts, that's your right, but I'm pretty sure XTH was steup primarily as a way to encourage people to get more involved in PvP, not as a Zkey making machine.

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Nobody says Linsey has to do all the work. With this bad economy I am sure there are lots of people looking for work.

If they cant get an expert coder right away, then they should train some promising person.

No. All additional resources should be going to GW2.

Daesu

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28 Jul 2009 at 05:10 - 112

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

That's quite a stretch. Was there a button to "Buy more accounts" next to the ad?

What are you talking about? Their rules says 1 entry per account. That implies if you have more accounts you can have more entries.

Besides if there are further restrictions, they should have stated them clearly in their rules. Otherwise, people would continue to buy more accounts spurred on by their advertisement of grand rewards.

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Originally Posted by fenix

If you were convinced to buy new accounts because of their advertisements, you are doing it wrong. They were advertising the XTH so existing players would sign up, NOT so they would buy accounts, and so players who have quit/don't play the game are shown a cool new thing they can join the game to use.

If that has been their intention to have the XTH only for existing accounts, then they SHOULD have stated it clearly in their rules. Why didn't they? Oh that's right, perhaps they really want people to buy new accounts?

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Those who bought accounts just for XTH are greedy.

Those who bought new accounts spent their hard earned money on it. It was a fair transaction. To be greedy is not to deliver what you have promised, after taking the money, then run away and do nothing. Which I am sure ANet is not that sort of a company.

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No. All additional resources should be going to GW2.

Then expect more bitching from the GW1 community if that is they way they do CR. If GW2 takes another 2 years to develop then that means no GW1 updates for the next 2 years? Good luck.

Lishy

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28 Jul 2009 at 05:21 - 113

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Originally Posted by funway ftw

it just rewarded (and that is an overstatement) people for redoing mind numbing quests!

Isn't that the whole point of guild wars? Or am I missing something?

fenix

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28 Jul 2009 at 05:27 - 114

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Those who bought new accounts spent their hard earned money on it. It was a fair transaction. To be greedy is not to deliver what you have promised, after taking the money, then run away and do nothing. Which I am sure ANet is not that sort of a company.

And here you undo your entire 'argument'.

They never promised anything.

Daesu

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Join Date: Oct 2008

28 Jul 2009 at 05:32 - 115

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Originally Posted by fenix

And here you undo your entire 'argument'.

They never promised anything.

That is where you are wrong. They promised lots of attractive prizes for taking part in the XTH:

https://www.guildwars.com/competitiv...use/prizes.php

fenix

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Join Date: Aug 2005

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28 Jul 2009 at 05:36 - 116

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Originally Posted by Daesu

That is where you are wrong. They promised lots of attractive prizes for taking part in the XTH:

https://www.guildwars.com/competitiv...use/prizes.php

And yet, you still miss the point. There are no promises there.

There is nothing saying that they guarantee the XTH will always be around, there is nothing saying they guarantee you'll get things from it. It was a free bonus addition, was never promised to be anything more than that, so if it goes down and doesn't come back for X, or forever, that's up to ANet. They have no obligation to fix it.

Daesu

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2008

28 Jul 2009 at 05:41 - 117

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenix

There is nothing saying that they guarantee the XTH will always be around, there is nothing saying they guarantee you'll get things from it. It was a free bonus addition, was never promised to be anything more than that, so if it goes down and doesn't come back for X, or forever, that's up to ANet. They have no obligation to fix it.

And yet you are missing my point. Many people have already bought GW accounts because of their XTH advertisements in the past and people are STILL buying GW accounts for XTH. Why? Because ANet SAID XTH would be repaired and be back (check various websites and posts on this thread from ANet staff).

You are the one that misunderstood their intentions. ANet never said that XTH is gone forever. That is why it is important for a company like ANet to say what they mean and mean they say. And I hope you all would stop distorting their words and intentions with your own just because you want zkey prices to rise. Talk about calling others "greedy".

shoyon456

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

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28 Jul 2009 at 06:11 - 118

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Originally Posted by fog_of_redoubt

And I call BS right back.

If Anet wants us to recognize a pattern here. A pattern of pay once, and DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT ASKING US FOR ANYTHING OR HOLDING US ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANYTHING, once you buy GW2??

Then maybe there will be a LOT of folks not buying. I am basing my purchase decision off of there support behavior.

To further illustrate this point, because I agree with it:
I do not even have to PAY to dl/play Perfect World, Last Chaos, and Runes of Magic to name a few. These games receive regular content updates and offer ample content. You may not enjoy these games, because they diverge greatly from the gameplay of guildwars. However, by the poster fog was replying to's logic I don't even deserve the support they offer, since I didn't pay for their game in the first place!

Guildwars makes me buy the game AND now has microtransactions like these free to play/download games. I'm not talking about the differences in the games, I'm talking about the differences in support and CR here. Anet has gotten my disapproval by essentially neglecting their game. Anet has proven they can produce good games, but if they are going to follow it up with half-assed support by forgetting about their current games, isolate themselves from their playerbase, and continually break their "goals" to the community, I don't want to be a part of the community.

Id rather play a game I sort-of like with great support and continual updates, than a great game that gets stale and rots quickly. Any other studio would have actually continued to give great attention to their old game, instead of using a new game as an excuse. Sure they are a small company, which means they bit off more they could chew. As alluded to, they should have said this and tried to seem empathetic to the community.

Evading your "goals" by saying thats all they were and not "promises" is an excuse, plain and simple. When I was younger, I got spanked every time I made up an excuse like that. People are simple, make them feel good and they'll respond positively. By being apologetic and admitting to your shortcommings while promising to do better in the future, you meet this goal and most people will understand. Right now it seems as if Anet does not even have a PR department.

Master Ketsu

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Join Date: May 2006

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28 Jul 2009 at 06:13 - 119

Quote:

And yet you are missing my point. Many people have already bought GW accounts because of their XTH advertisements in the past and people are STILL buying GW accounts for XTH. Why? Because ANet SAID XTH would be repaired and be back (check various websites and posts on this thread from ANet staff).

You are the one that misunderstood their intentions. ANet never said that XTH is gone forever. That is why it is important for a company like ANet to say what they mean and mean they say. And I hope you all would stop distorting their words and intentions with your own just because you want zkey prices to rise. Talk about calling others "greedy".

No, the person missing the point is you.

The XTH was never intended to be an RMT service ( unless you want to be a conspiracy theorist. ) When you purchased a new account, were you agreeing to a XTH Eula? No, of course not. You agreed to the original GW Eula which says nothing about the XTH staying forever and in fact says everything about reserving the right to change the game and that RMT is forbidden. You did not buy Zkey's, you bought an additional account

If you purchased additional accounts for the sole purpose of farming XTH, despite the fact that this is not what purchasing additional accounts officially guarantees you, then that purchase was a gamble. Get that through your thick head. G-A-M-B-L-E There exists no obligation since that is not the originally intended agreement for purchasing a GW account. An additional account is for access to the GW universe. It doesn't matter what you think or intend to use it for, that is essentially what you are signing up for. And if XTH stays dead, it's your loss. Unless you can find specific documentation that states that your purchase of the account guarantees free Zkey's ( which you can't, because it doesn't exist ) you are shit out of luck.

refer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2009

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28 Jul 2009 at 06:51 - 120

Am I the only one who doesn't give a damn about Zkeys? Make them untradeable, that will kill them off as title buying/currency items.

Besides that though, I just want new freaking daggers for my PvP character. The default ones are horrible. The only way to get PvP rewards though is through XTH. There is no other way. My secret hope is that they are recoding things and FINALLY allowing unlocks.

I can dream, right?