This way players get something,optional of course but at £5 it's not too much, and they get some actual funding.And due to the nature of GW it doesn't give anyone an edge or what ever...I think they definitely need to go down this route more as it works a charm for other companies.
For example Tripwire Interactive and Killing Floor,sure it's a small game and company but they have consistently updated the game evry month with fixes and are now branching into new content,whilst the new maps and weapons come free the new character skins (ie entirely optional content) comes at around $2. Because it's so dam cheap most players buy it,bingo monnies for a few more pixels.
Why do you think they stopped at the BMP?
Why haven't anet done more BMP stuff.
Xsiriss
Fril Estelin
They decided to focus effort and resources on GW2. The GW1 Live Team is quite small and can only improve GW1, not add content.
Plus the BMP was also a means for players to get free inscribable weapons (and some cool skins), so no need for a new one.
Plus the BMP was also a means for players to get free inscribable weapons (and some cool skins), so no need for a new one.
Arduin
I suppose because it takes a lot of Dev power to make a BMP-like pack, and players are able to play through it in a few hours. As in, too much work for too little content.
lilDeath
Time? Money? Resources? GW2?
Think that's it.
Think that's it.
Xsiriss
Now that they have a lot of weapon looks and obviously aren't too bothered about clipping issues they can easily reskin stuff,just look at eotn. As to the means of getting them,they can jsut use stuff that's already in the game, liek after completing a certain number of waves in the missions such as Zos Shivros or even the fighting arenas.It's really not hard if its based upon already in game graphics/programming.
The whole point would be to make money so that's not an issue...They have a seperate team for GW2 and the BMP came out ages ago now,they could have done more says 2-4 months after it.
The whole point would be to make money so that's not an issue...They have a seperate team for GW2 and the BMP came out ages ago now,they could have done more says 2-4 months after it.
pamelf
Does anyone even still play the BMP? All that effort put onto something that no one plays anymore....
Aljasha
i like the bmp. the missions are nice and it shows how the devs would design a single player mission.
i would pay for second bmp but anet don't have the manpower to work on something similar to the bmp. i heard ~450 people are working on assassin's creed, which is a not confirmed head count, however it is definitaley more than anet's 170ish staff. the genres of both games are different, but the aspiration of a populated and vivid world (with consequences for the player's actions) is the same.
hence, i wouldn't expect any major content update but gw2 to the gw franchise.
i would pay for second bmp but anet don't have the manpower to work on something similar to the bmp. i heard ~450 people are working on assassin's creed, which is a not confirmed head count, however it is definitaley more than anet's 170ish staff. the genres of both games are different, but the aspiration of a populated and vivid world (with consequences for the player's actions) is the same.
hence, i wouldn't expect any major content update but gw2 to the gw franchise.
Calaval
A bmp in GW2 might be nice, perhaps playing out events & characters from the Fall of Ascalon.
Karate Jesus
A while back I remember someone suggesting that they make a new BMP, except instead of living out the events of heroes lives we would play as the villans. I thought it was a pretty cool idea. It would be interesting to play as Shiro, the Lich, Palawa Joko, or Varesh and see how they rose to power or something like that.
I know they don't have the resources or the motivation to make another BMP, but if they did.....I'd buy it.
I know they don't have the resources or the motivation to make another BMP, but if they did.....I'd buy it.
Mordakai
IF ArenaNet decides to make another BMP, it should be more repeatable than the "historical" one. Something like Sorrow's Furnace.... (although to be honest I never did the Golem Quests that came out, what, a year ago? They didn't seem to be worth the reward.)
But, if anything, I suspect GW2 will see more stuff like BMPs, and less "Chapters", since you can make quick money with a BMP and not have to rebalance the game due to new skills, classes and races.
But, if anything, I suspect GW2 will see more stuff like BMPs, and less "Chapters", since you can make quick money with a BMP and not have to rebalance the game due to new skills, classes and races.
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Does anyone even still play the BMP? All that effort put onto something that no one plays anymore....
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I think there's a very good probability that people would purchase a new BMP for $5-10 even if it only has a few missions, therefore making it worth the time put in to develop it.
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I'm sure Anet has analysed the numbers behind the BMP and have balanced the pro of making a new one against having the Live Team just updating GW1 and more people working on GW2.
Evasion Twenty
You want them to delay GuildWars2 even longer? I'm quite sure the team doesn't have enough employees and funding to get it done. Even if it would be quite nice.
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IF ArenaNet decides to make another BMP, it should be more repeatable than the "historical" one. Something like Sorrow's Furnace.... (although to be honest I never did the Golem Quests that came out, what, a year ago? They didn't seem to be worth the reward.)
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I wouldn't buy another BMP unless they up the reward into something alot more worth while.
Gigashadow
The BMP was great, even if you didn't get it for free as part of preorder, and paid $5-$10 or whatever it ended up costing. Fun storylines, plus a ton of great weapon skins. I really enjoyed it, and it was cheap entertainment for how little it cost.
Apollo Smile
I would happily pay 10-15 bucks for another bonus mission pack. They were done great and are fun to go through.
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Now that they have a lot of weapon looks and obviously aren't too bothered about clipping issues they can easily reskin stuff,just look at eotn. As to the means of getting them,they can jsut use stuff that's already in the game, liek after completing a certain number of waves in the missions such as Zos Shivros or even the fighting arenas.It's really not hard if its based upon already in game graphics/programming.
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. I can reskin my weapons for free using texmod. And using missions that are already in game gets old fast.
refer
I thought you meant BMP screenshots. JPEGs for the epic fail! You buy that nice graphics card but then take reduced quality screenshots which can't show it off. Like recording music with depth and then using a limiter to take part in the loudness war.
Bonus Mission Pack? Maybe they are running out of ideas creatively.
Bonus Mission Pack? Maybe they are running out of ideas creatively.
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players are able to play through it in a few hours. As in, too much work for too little content.
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Does anyone even still play the BMP? All that effort put onto something that no one plays anymore....
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The BMP doesn't seem to be worth the reward for the time spent, which is why people are not really playing it nowadays.
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The reason, as others said, lies likely in resource allocation and the dubious financial benefit of developing more content for GW1.
Hugh Manatee
I liked the BMP and if I ever need a weapon I usually head there first to see if there's anything good looking, and there usually is, the tengu stuff is sexy, the undead stuff is badass, the charr stuff is vicious and the mursaat stuff is freaky good, and the missions themselves were fun(especially togo's and Turai's). Now that I have a ton of weapons though I do do the missions less, but I like having the option. If they added a new BMP it shouldn't be for weapons, maybe materials, or straight out cash or faction, maybe items for sweet or party titles.
It'd be nice to get new content, maybe a Sorrows like area in NF or Factions, but they just don't have the resources for it.
It'd be nice to get new content, maybe a Sorrows like area in NF or Factions, but they just don't have the resources for it.
Solas
Focusing on GW2 really.
slo I wouldn't be a fan of them charging for things like skins or weapons through the store.
Content that could give them,yes as long as it was at least a mini expansion.
slo I wouldn't be a fan of them charging for things like skins or weapons through the store.
Content that could give them,yes as long as it was at least a mini expansion.
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Does anyone even still play the BMP? All that effort put onto something that no one plays anymore....
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Plus I like to point out that this is a MMORPG if you people wish to play a solo game get a different game.
I'm sick of solo quests in GW, my opinion of course!
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Plus I like to point out that this is a MMORPG if you people wish to play a solo game get a different game.
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Publishers, NCSoft in this case, could give less than a shit how long you use their product, as long as you buy it. Perhaps the people who actually spent time making it would like you to play it, but your personal feelings are not the reason why they haven't made any more, which is the point of this topic. Not "hurr durr i like the bmp, do you?"
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Yes all they want is for us to buy the product, but I personally would not buy such a product after the last BMP. If there are other people who feel like me, which I'm almost certain there are, it would be a complete waste of money for Anet to develop.
Lonesamurai
how do you know how much its been played or not? as its single player content, you can't tell if people have played the BMP missions unless they are using the weapons
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I would happily pay 10-15 bucks for another bonus mission pack. They were done great and are fun to go through.
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But as much as I want a 2nd BMP, I don't think anet has the resources.
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I hardly even see them on heroes anymore...
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I mean: He does one mission once. That means that out of 10 characters one gets weapon. On that character one can choose to give that weapon to hero, and if he keeps it for personal use, chances are he is using build that is incompatible with usage of that weapon. Especially if they were already set for life as far as weapons are concerned.
So there is like 0.5% chance that you can see someones BMP weapon even if you party with him. Chances are, if you actually asked them whether they have BMP weapons, you'd be surprised.
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Anyhow, I have not seen anyone wiedling shiros sword. That means noone ever bothers to finish factions. And certainly, noone has ever done any uw in past two years because its that long sicne i saw someone using stormbow. And don't get me started on nigtfall ... that fail of campaing was not played by anyone, ever. I can say that because i have not seen anyone wielding Fiery Gladius, ever. Not even their Koss heroes have it.
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So there is like 0.5% chance that you can see someones BMP weapon even if you party with him.
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That does not means that people did not do BMP. It's not like they must be covered in BMP weapons, have to farm it 24/7 and have "<3 BMP" cape design.
I mean: He does one mission once. That means that out of 10 characters one gets weapon. On that character one can choose to give that weapon to hero, and if he keeps it for personal use, chances are he is using build that is incompatible with usage of that weapon. Especially if they were already set for life as far as weapons are concerned. So there is like 0.5% chance that you can see someones BMP weapon even if you party with him. Chances are, if you actually asked them whether they have BMP weapons, you'd be surprised. |
I dont think the time spent on the BMP missions are worth it considering how easy it is to get rare weapons nowadays. But since the BMP rewards are customized, whenever you see someone with BMP weapons at least it shows that the guy has a certain amount of achievement, no matter how small it is. No build variations, no heroes, no skillful friends/guildies to help you, no consummables, not even your uber weapons or armor, just pure gamer skills on your own.
I have all the BMP weapons spreaded across all my characters and I wield them more proudly than I would, with a rare skinned weapon that can be farmed/bought.
Cacheelma
More BMP so they can fool us into thinking that it's a one-time exclusive deal again?
No thanks. Besides, they need another product (last time they used GWEN) to fool us into buying to get the new BMP. GW2 may be that product. If it were to come out, that is.
No thanks. Besides, they need another product (last time they used GWEN) to fool us into buying to get the new BMP. GW2 may be that product. If it were to come out, that is.
pamelf
Oh I know not seeing them on heroes etc doesn't PROVE no one plays the BMP. My point is simply that when the BMP first came out we saw those weapons EVERYWHERE. Every hero had them, people were using them left right and centre. The fact that we hardly ever see them around any more, to me at least, attests to the fact that people aren't really as interested in it as they were when it came out.
As said above, it was a one time deal, and it was fun, and I don't think I regret the money for the first time round, but frankly I still don't believe that people would pay to do it again. They just weren't THAT interesting.
Why don't we set up a poll to see if there is actual interest? I'm happy to be proven wrong, but I for one would never pay money for anything like the BMP again.
As said above, it was a one time deal, and it was fun, and I don't think I regret the money for the first time round, but frankly I still don't believe that people would pay to do it again. They just weren't THAT interesting.
Why don't we set up a poll to see if there is actual interest? I'm happy to be proven wrong, but I for one would never pay money for anything like the BMP again.
CyberNigma
I would like to see more stuff like that. I bought GW and want to keep seeing more. I haven't paid anything for GW2 so really don't care whether it gets delayed, canceled, produced on time, etc.. I play Guild Wars - the game I bought. If GW2 was a free upgrade or expansion/chapter and not a reinvention I might have a reason to be interested in it, but as of right now I know almost nothing about it aside from what's been slowly released. Saying that I don't want GW improvements to interfere with GW2 just because it carries the same name and is run by the same company would be like being an EQ player worrying that new enhancements might slow down EQ2 development.
I realize ANet said they are reinventing Guild Wars as Guild Wars 2 and that GW is effectively dead (unlike EQ/EQ2). It doesn't mean that all of the interest I had in Guild Wars just moves to Guild Wars 2. GW2 isn't necessarily the follow-on to many of us that so many people believe.
If ANet decides to re-visit GW after GW2 is released, awesome. If ANet decides to cancel GW2 and re-visit GW, awseome. If ANet decides to delay GW2 in order to release new paid content in GW - awesome. I'm a GW player, not an NCSoft investor.
However, if ANet decided to drop Guild Wars after two chapters and an expansion, what really makes anyone think that GW2 will be any different. I don't really feel like investing all that time into another game by a company with a record (1-0) of abandoning their game concept just because it gets too hard.
So, yeah - I'd like to see new BMPs or expansions, even if it's just a little bit.
I realize ANet said they are reinventing Guild Wars as Guild Wars 2 and that GW is effectively dead (unlike EQ/EQ2). It doesn't mean that all of the interest I had in Guild Wars just moves to Guild Wars 2. GW2 isn't necessarily the follow-on to many of us that so many people believe.
If ANet decides to re-visit GW after GW2 is released, awesome. If ANet decides to cancel GW2 and re-visit GW, awseome. If ANet decides to delay GW2 in order to release new paid content in GW - awesome. I'm a GW player, not an NCSoft investor.
However, if ANet decided to drop Guild Wars after two chapters and an expansion, what really makes anyone think that GW2 will be any different. I don't really feel like investing all that time into another game by a company with a record (1-0) of abandoning their game concept just because it gets too hard.
So, yeah - I'd like to see new BMPs or expansions, even if it's just a little bit.
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I would like to see more stuff like that. I bought GW and want to keep seeing more. I haven't paid anything for GW2 so really don't care whether it gets delayed, canceled, produced on time, etc.. I play Guild Wars - the game I bought. If GW2 was a free upgrade or expansion/chapter and not a reinvention I might have a reason to be interested in it, but as of right now I know almost nothing about it aside from what's been slowly released. Saying that I don't want GW improvements to interfere with GW2 just because it carries the same name and is run by the same company would be like being an EQ player worrying that new enhancements might slow down EQ2 development.
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This way players get something,optional of course but at £5 it's not too much, and they get some actual funding.And due to the nature of GW it doesn't give anyone an edge or what ever...I think they definitely need to go down this route more as it works a charm for other companies.
For example Tripwire Interactive and Killing Floor,sure it's a small game and company but they have consistently updated the game evry month with fixes and are now branching into new content,whilst the new maps and weapons come free the new character skins (ie entirely optional content) comes at around $2. Because it's so dam cheap most players buy it,bingo monnies for a few more pixels. Why do you think they stopped at the BMP? |
the last update with "micro payments" didn't give you much for your money. if those same updates had cost 2-3 bucks then I bet far more people would have bought them.
As far as the BMP goes, I do them when I need another weapon and don't want to pay for a fancy skin and don't want the usual crap that drops constantly.
I don't put the bmp weapons on my heroes because doing those missions more then a few times, as with any mission gets real old real fast. Also some of the bmp skins are only half assed done in my opinion like the murssat weapons not having any animations on them at all, unlike the droppable murssat hammer or the storm artifact....that reeks of laziness. I've yet to do the gwen bmp mission because most every charr item is ugly.
Xanthe Dashka
BMP was epic fail.
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BMP was epic fail.
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it was fun for all of 10 minutes, then totally forgotten about.
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Oh I know not seeing them on heroes etc doesn't PROVE no one plays the BMP. My point is simply that when the BMP first came out we saw those weapons EVERYWHERE. Every hero had them, people were using them left right and centre. The fact that we hardly ever see them around any more, to me at least, attests to the fact that people aren't really as interested in it as they were when it came out.
As said above, it was a one time deal, and it was fun, and I don't think I regret the money for the first time round, but frankly I still don't believe that people would pay to do it again. They just weren't THAT interesting. Why don't we set up a poll to see if there is actual interest? I'm happy to be proven wrong, but I for one would never pay money for anything like the BMP again. |
I'm really glad I never spent money on the BMP itself or I'd have been very disappointed. I think I got a couple of character slots or something and got it as a bonus.
Aeon221
If you assume that, with salaries, tax, etc, the cost of production for something the size of the BMP is about $750k (which feels high, at three quarters of a million bucks, but whatever), that's only 75k sales at 10$.
The potential base of consumers is in the millions, based on sales, so that should be an easy target to hit.
I've never understood why Anet didn't put together a small premium content team for GW1, and leave skill updates and holidays as the free content.
The potential base of consumers is in the millions, based on sales, so that should be an easy target to hit.
I've never understood why Anet didn't put together a small premium content team for GW1, and leave skill updates and holidays as the free content.
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If you assume that, with salaries, tax, etc, the cost of production for something the size of the BMP is about $750k (which feels high, at three quarters of a million bucks, but whatever), that's only 75k sales at 10$.
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I think the reward sucks, so I wouldn't buy it if I have to pay for it. ANet is too much of a carebear to sell time-based rewards that can be gained from farming, in their online stores. It is much more lucrative to spend the time farming than to play BMP.