What is this, City of Heroes and City of Villans?
J/k, but if we were to have another "Evil" Race, I would LOVE to see the Mursaat be playable. They look awesome, they float, and have big scary black things coming out of their backs. Another cool race would be the Tengu, or the Centaurs. There are acctually alot of different races that could be "Playable" in guild wars 2, but I think Anet is going to stick with the 5 that were listed. Unless you get to unlock more races to play, which would be awesome.
Good Vs Evil.. GW2
Triadninja
Konker2020
Good and evil are opinionated and perception oriented. Technically speaking there is no good and evil, it's all based each persons opinion and perspective.
Lonesamurai
I would totally make a centaur character... maybe for an expansion?
Nodakim
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Good and evil are opinionated and perception oriented. Technically speaking there is no good and evil, it's all based each persons opinion and perspective.
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I am gonna disagree with this,because there are relativly good people and relativly bad people.
But that is rare and i think you can only define a single person good or bad sometimes,but not a organization or something...
Eliz Genevieve
I doubt we are going to 'unlock' races in GW2.
Now that they're going to be introduced in expansions, with that I agree.
The unlockable races would be like the Death Knight in WoW, which isn't that of a great idea.
Now that they're going to be introduced in expansions, with that I agree.
The unlockable races would be like the Death Knight in WoW, which isn't that of a great idea.
William the Only
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Originally Posted by Tahlia Tane
I think Guild Wars 2 is going to look really interesting.. GW1 is just playable humans. Having so many playable races would make the game look so different from GW1.
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TottWriter
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Originally Posted by William the Only
I just hope it doesnt turn into WoW!
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I just hope they don't use that individuality in terms of character as a cover to sacrifcice all the other things that made the game so unique. And I hope they improve on what they got right so far.
HawkofStorms
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Originally Posted by hallomik
Given that there are 5 known playable races, and knowing what decisions the designers have previously made in GW1, here are my thoughts on one possible game approach.
Each starting race will have two allied races and two opposed races. If you imagine 5 points on a star, the two points nearest to you will be your ally races, and the two opposite side points will be your foe races. Here is how it could work: -- Human -- Allies: Asura & Silvari Foes: Norn and Charr Made up reasons why: Humans partnership with Asura and opposition to Charr well established in GW1. Silvari befriends humans upon their creation due to humans role in preventing their creation from being stamped out. Norn break away from humans over time and consider them too "weak" a race. -- Asura -- Allies: Human and Charr Foes: Norn and Silvari Asura and Human partnership already established. Asura and Charr form grudging alliance based on their mutual respect for technology. Asura consider Norn anti-intellectual bullies. Asura and Silvari have no common ground due to Asuran's emphasis on technology and Silvari's emphasis on nature. Although they could be friends, early misunderstanding during Silvari's emergence poisons their relationship. -- Charr -- Allies: Asura and Norn Foes: Silvari and Humans Charr and Norn develop mutual respect of their common warlike nature. The Charr share technology development with Asura. Charr see humans and Silvari as weak prey. -- Norn -- Allies: Silvari and Charr Foes: Human and Asura The Norn share love of nature with Silvari and love of battle with Charr. Territorial misunderstandings with humans have erased historical alliances. Norns see Asurans as elitist jerks who don't do their own fighting directly and don't properly revere the natural world. -- Silvari -- Allies: Norn and Humans Foes: Charr and Asura Humans helped the emergence of Silvari and they are strong allies. Silvari and Norn share a reverence for the natural world. Silvari see Charr as despoilers of the earth and the Asuran technological obsession is not understood or appreciated by the Silvari. The early part of the game will lead you to common quests with your allies and forays into "enemy" territory. For instance, humans will have their own quest chains, but will also be able to share in the designated Asuran and Silvari quests. However, during the latter stages of the game, the quarreling races must unite to oppose a recognized common threat. Each race will have quest chains that will enable them to get over their disagreements with their "natural" foes, and end game dungeons can combine players of all races. Of course, this also applies to realm vs. realm PVP. One nice thing about doing it this way is that any person can group with 60% of the players (versus only 1/2 for the standard two-sided arrangement), but there are still plenty of opportunities for in-the-world PVP encounters. |
Reading up on the games website, it seems like a smart idea. You can gradually change your allegiance by working your way around the wheel. But if you betray people too often, you end up being distrusted by everybody.
Too bad Fallen Earth looks like it will be a complete failure. It would be nice to be able to observe just how well this mechanic would work.
Snograt
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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai
I would totally make a centaur character... maybe for an expansion?
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Sylvari/Dryads, hmm - can bring a whole new meaning to tree hugging hippy...
Arduin
Charr innovative? A shamanic and brutish race, bent on crushing mankind, who revel in power and raw damage. A race that later discovers they have been deceived by their false gods, the titans. With splintergroups trying to show the rest of their tribe that they need to stop living in the shadows of their former masters. Only to see the lot still clinging to the 'Titans Are God' doctrine.
If you know anything about the Warcraft universe, this is screaming Orc al over.
Not that I am afraid they will turn GW2 into WoW, it's Anet we are talking about.
If you know anything about the Warcraft universe, this is screaming Orc al over.
Not that I am afraid they will turn GW2 into WoW, it's Anet we are talking about.
Konig Des Todes
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Charr innovative? A shamanic and brutish race, bent on crushing mankind, who revel in power and raw damage. A race that later discovers they have been deceived by their false gods, the titans. With splintergroups trying to show the rest of their tribe that they need to stop living in the shadows of their former masters. Only to see the lot still clinging to the 'Titans Are God' doctrine.
If you know anything about the Warcraft universe, this is screaming Orc al over. Not that I am afraid they will turn GW2 into WoW, it's Anet we are talking about. |
And though I haven't played Warcraft, I do know a handful of its lore, and the Charr do not remind me of the Orc at all. Except the ferociousness and hatred of humans. However, that's seen in many Tengu, many Centaurs, and just about every race that humanity has oppressed.
Arduin
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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes
The Charr are actually not shamanic, despite the name of their previous government, the Shaman Caste. Centaurs, however, are very shamanic.
And though I haven't played Warcraft, I do know a handful of its lore, and the Charr do not remind me of the Orc at all. Except the ferociousness and hatred of humans. However, that's seen in many Tengu, many Centaurs, and just about every race that humanity has oppressed. |
On Orcs.
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The green-skinned orcs are one of the most prolific races of Azeroth. Born on the world of Draenor, the orcs were brought to Azeroth through the dimensional gateway known as the Dark Portal and waged war on the humans while under the influence of the Burning Legion. The orcs once cultivated a noble, shamanistic society on Draenor. Tragically, the proud orc clans were corrupted by the Burning Legion and used as pawns in the Legion's invasion of Azeroth. The orcs managed to rebel, however, and they were ultimately able to help turn the tide against their demon masters. Led by the young Warchief Thrall, the orcs have reclaimed their strength and honor. The orcs moved from the Eastern Kingdoms to Kalimdor, and there they founded the nation of Durotar. Now, the orcs stand ready to fight not for the sake of conquest, but for their very right of survival in their adopted world. |
Lonesamurai
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Compensating for something, Lone?
Sylvari/Dryads, hmm - can bring a whole new meaning to tree hugging hippy... |
but then most of us buy cars for that compensation, you drive trains, whats that say about you? :P
Rocky Raccoon
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Always fella, always...
but then most of us buy cars for that compensation, you drive trains, whats that say about you? :P |
I think the dragons would be fun as a playable race, start out as a young baby and grow into a fierce warrior.
Konig Des Todes
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Not even the Orcs being ordered by the Burning Legion to kill humans? I know humans of Tyria kicked the Charr out of the Ascalon area, and after that skirmishes between Charr and Humans began, but I was under the impression the Titans were the one to urge the Charr on a full scale attack on the Humans.
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By reading that little Orc quote, I only see three similarities: They waged war on humans (though the origin of the war is different), they were (at one point) influenced by something (Charr were not controlled by the Titans, but by the Shaman Caste), and there was a rebellion against those who controlled them (Pyre's rebellion against the Shaman Caste).
That does not scream Orc all over.
Sword Hammer Axe
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Originally Posted by Nodakim
I am gonna disagree with this,because there are relativly good people and relativly bad people.
But that is rare and i think you can only define a single person good or bad sometimes,but not a organization or something... |
However in reality it's a bit more complex. I think most people in the world would agree that Hitler was evil, hell I would say that too lol.
However a lot of people would also say that he was doing what's best for germany/humanity, some even say he did what's best for the jews o.0 Hitler didn't intend to destroy the world, he intended to destroy what could destroy the world. Of course this is an illusion he made for himself and who the hell was he to say that people are different because of race, nationality, economic situation and stuff like that? He was truly mistaken, even if he tried to do it for the best of the world, he tried in a wrong way.
Then there's also the whole definition of what MAKES a person evil. Is it when you kill someone? If that's the case then Hitler isn't evil because he never did himself. Is it when you order someone to be killed? If that's the case then every military commander, not depending on side, is evil.
Evil is relative
Eliz Genevieve
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I think the dragons would be fun as a playable race, start out as a young baby and grow into a fierce warrior.
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And ofc, because the Dragons fly, Aion fanboys would scream 'Clone!' all over it, but that's the least.
We only know, in Tyria as a world, of 2 Elder - I know that they aren't Elder, it's just to differentiate - Dragons: Glint and Kuunavang *excluding all the lesser Saltspray Dragons, Albax included*, and 5 Ancient Dragons - for all we know, the GW2 bad guys.
Dragons as a playable race wouldn't fit in.
shillo
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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes
That does not scream Orc all over.
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Speaker-to-Animals: "Louis Wu, I found your challenge verbose. When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage will suffice. You scream and you leap."
Thalador Doomspeaker
Good and evil are symbiotic. Neither can exist without the other. Without evil, we would never know what means/takes to be good and vice versa.
Every evil starts with a purpose/intention he or she wants to achieve. They believe that they are doing the "right" thing. It's my opinion, but the 'thing' that makes someone evil is the way they go through to achieve their purpose. Although, I know it's not the whole truth.
On the topic, I'd like to see that each race can be good or evil. It would all depend on the characters' deeds. So you can be an evil Sylvari or a good Charr.
I'm sorry, if I made any mistakes in the way I expressed my thoughts about good and evil. I'm not English.
Every evil starts with a purpose/intention he or she wants to achieve. They believe that they are doing the "right" thing. It's my opinion, but the 'thing' that makes someone evil is the way they go through to achieve their purpose. Although, I know it's not the whole truth.
On the topic, I'd like to see that each race can be good or evil. It would all depend on the characters' deeds. So you can be an evil Sylvari or a good Charr.
I'm sorry, if I made any mistakes in the way I expressed my thoughts about good and evil. I'm not English.
draxynnic
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Hmmm, I think it would be fun to see centaurs as an additional playable race in GW2.
As far as "good versus evil", what I'd like to see -- if GW2 does introduce an Alliance/Horde kind of dynamic -- is for the two sides to be both "good" but be fiercely opposed to another. Present players with a faction choice that is not so cut and dried. I love the way conflicts are set up in G. R. R. Martin's Fire and Ice series, wherein good guys are often very bad and bad guys are, as well, not always as bad as they seem. |
Whether they succeeded... I'll let someone who's actually played decide.
Regarding playable races... ANet has only confirmed the five we know, but they haven't said they're the only ones.
Mordakai
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Originally Posted by shillo
Frankly, every time I see Charr, I think Kzinti.
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The Kzinti look pretty much like anamorphic tigers or lions.
The Charr have a much more bestial form: hunched over, not human looking at all.
I love "Ecology of the Charr", it really is a neat description of what a sentient carnivore race could be like. I also like the fact they have no gods, I could be wrong, but I think that's also pretty unique for a fantasy race.
Also, I don't see the Charr having a Bushido or even a Klingon sense of Honor; Pyre Fierceshot shoots another Charr after he gives Charr the information he needs.
Lonesamurai
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Also, I don't see the Charr having a Bushido or even a Klingon sense of Honor; Pyre Fierceshot shoots another Charr after he gives Charr the information he needs. |
A Klingon would shoot the other for giving up the information and being weak... Actually so would a Samurai
Mordakai
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Welcome to the skewed idea of Bushido and the way of the warrior, ESPECIALLY the Klingon idea of it...
A Klingon would shoot the other for giving up the information and being weak... Actually so would a Samurai |
Still, I believe the Charr are pretty unique.
Quaker
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I just figured they would need atleast two factions (good vs evil) for the big epic pvp battles I've come to expect from what we have heard so far
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Lonesamurai
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Huh, well goes to show what I know.
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Calvar Draveir
You DO know how creepy that is, don't you, lone.
Lonesamurai
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You DO know how creepy that is, don't you, lone.
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TottWriter
I'm not even going to think about how a Sylvari would get in there.
shillo
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I'm not even going to think about how a Sylvari would get in there.
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Martacus Grognoggin
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I'm not even going to think about how a Sylvari would get in there.
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Raping Tree anyone?
Lonesamurai
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I'm not even going to think about how a Sylvari would get in there.
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Martacus Grognoggin
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Originally Posted by Martacus Grognoggin
Raping Tree anyone?
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It begins...
TottWriter
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Originally Posted by Martacus Grognoggin
You ever seen the "Giving Tree" bit from Robot Chicken?
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Seriously though, for that one I can see them having slightly hashed lore to get around people bringing names and whatever from their HoM. Either that or they carefully avoid all mention of it and let players make of it what they will. (And as we have seen, they will...)
Konig Des Todes
Ownership doesn't mean biological descendant. Could be adoption or teacher/student passing on. Also it's the children of legends - Zhed, Pyre, Vekk, Jora, Ogden are all legends.
So descendant of legends doesn't mean descendant from your individual character. Though Humans and Norn are known to be able to have children (biologically speaking, other races cannot have children, Humans and Norn are, however, genetically close enough to each other to have children it seems). And aside from Humans and Norn, the only possible races to be able to mate with each other might be Forgotten, Naga, and Krait. Though their differences may be the same as humans and monkeys - i.e., close genetically, but not close enough to have proper offspring.
So descendant of legends doesn't mean descendant from your individual character. Though Humans and Norn are known to be able to have children (biologically speaking, other races cannot have children, Humans and Norn are, however, genetically close enough to each other to have children it seems). And aside from Humans and Norn, the only possible races to be able to mate with each other might be Forgotten, Naga, and Krait. Though their differences may be the same as humans and monkeys - i.e., close genetically, but not close enough to have proper offspring.
Martacus Grognoggin
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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes
Ownership doesn't mean biological descendant. Could be adoption or teacher/student passing on. Also it's the children of legends - Zhed, Pyre, Vekk, Jora, Ogden are all legends.
So descendant of legends doesn't mean descendant from your individual character. Though Humans and Norn are known to be able to have children (biologically speaking, other races cannot have children, Humans and Norn are, however, genetically close enough to each other to have children it seems). And aside from Humans and Norn, the only possible races to be able to mate with each other might be Forgotten, Naga, and Krait. Though their differences may be the same as humans and monkeys - i.e., close genetically, but not close enough to have proper offspring. |
Just a thought....possibly more lore friendly.
Konig Des Todes
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Or possibly, the HoM falls into disrepair in the 250 years since GW1, and the heroes of the future (GW2 characters) simply stumble upon the monuments of the past (GW1 characters) and there is no implied biological descent.
Just a thought....possibly more lore friendly. |
Martacus Grognoggin
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Except for the "Children of the Legends" part... Which shows there is some connection between the GW1 characters and the GW2 characters. Which means no "simply stumble upon" the area.
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So, maybe the word "Children" is used in a figurative sense...
Unless you want to play a game where the devs see a giant cat raping a human lady and making a half cat-man baby as being all fine and dandy lore-wise.
Edit: do they really censor RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO with GOREDENGINE?
Double Edit: I guess RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing so...
NeHoMaR
One of the best things World of Warcraft has is the PvP of Alliance versus Horde (in PvP realms) so half of the players are your friends and the other half your enemies, that's actually plenty cool.
There are another way to make a "good vs evil" war in game, that is, choosing a faction when you create a character; so you can be human of the good faction, or human of the evil faction (I think Warhammer Online use this method; If I am right, the new Star Wars in development will make you select if you are of the Republic or from the Siths; Light and Dark side)
There are another way to make a "good vs evil" war in game, that is, choosing a faction when you create a character; so you can be human of the good faction, or human of the evil faction (I think Warhammer Online use this method; If I am right, the new Star Wars in development will make you select if you are of the Republic or from the Siths; Light and Dark side)
pumpkin pie
Alignment would be good. Choose your playable race > Choose your character's alignment, evil, semi evil, neutral, semi kind, kind.
so characters of the same alignment can join the same guild etc. bleh
so characters of the same alignment can join the same guild etc. bleh
Eliz Genevieve
No, just no.
evil, semi evil, neutral, semi kind, kind?
Why would one need that many alignments?
evil, semi evil, neutral, semi kind, kind?
Why would one need that many alignments?