After complaining about it, I actually DO miss it.
But the + armor thing where it made warriors the best tank, or other characters for the energy management was kinda broken, meaning even though EVERYONE could run it, groups wanted specific classes anyways.
If they had it the way it is now where it sets your armor no matter what etc etc with a mix of the old skill, that would be fun. Despite that I still use it for shits and giggles, like tanking with my rit.
Do you miss Ursan's Blessing?
ajc2123
Konig Des Todes
Do I miss Ursan?
Well, it had its ups, and its downs. I say more downs, personally. It went from profession discrimination to title discrimination. It made the hardest areas so easy a monkey could do it. That is both good and bad. Good in that people got things done, bad in that they were too easy.
However, comparing an Ursan Group to a Perma-SF group, it's hard to say which is better. Ursan can clear every area, while Perma-SF could only clear a majority (many areas in EN are in fact not SF'able, along with a handful of Factions and Nightfall areas), however for Ursan, any profession was allowed.
Personally, I'm glad they nerfed Ursan (aka, no I don't miss the old Ursan). But they need to nerf Shadow Form, and change the hardest of areas so that they are possible without major effort (and at times hours of planning) or major use of cons (coughDoA,Deepcough).
Well, it had its ups, and its downs. I say more downs, personally. It went from profession discrimination to title discrimination. It made the hardest areas so easy a monkey could do it. That is both good and bad. Good in that people got things done, bad in that they were too easy.
However, comparing an Ursan Group to a Perma-SF group, it's hard to say which is better. Ursan can clear every area, while Perma-SF could only clear a majority (many areas in EN are in fact not SF'able, along with a handful of Factions and Nightfall areas), however for Ursan, any profession was allowed.
Personally, I'm glad they nerfed Ursan (aka, no I don't miss the old Ursan). But they need to nerf Shadow Form, and change the hardest of areas so that they are possible without major effort (and at times hours of planning) or major use of cons (coughDoA,Deepcough).
Engage
I never got the skill on my main. I got it on one character but never used it, outside of 'Blood Washes Blood'. So, I don't really miss it. lol.
Nessar
I kinda miss it. It was fun to use when I didn't feel like running a real build. Also it made pve easier in general. Buuuuuut, soon everyone in my guild needed r9+ norn so we could do fow/uw and that was insane. Then people depended on ursan like it was crack.
I wouldn't bring back ursan anyway. There are other builds that tear through pve just as easy, there always will be.
I wouldn't bring back ursan anyway. There are other builds that tear through pve just as easy, there always will be.
Leather Square
Serious question, what if they removed the profession benefits and didn't tie the skill to norn rank, would you feel differently?
pumpkin pie
No, lol, never used it except in the quest.
Why would you miss ursan when you can use Assassin Support, if everyone in a party brings it, you have X8 of them. think about it. I just could not, try as I may get 7 others to do it
and see how it turns out.
Why would you miss ursan when you can use Assassin Support, if everyone in a party brings it, you have X8 of them. think about it. I just could not, try as I may get 7 others to do it
and see how it turns out.
Cloud_Deven
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#2 - spend 10 minutes in Spamadan and tell me the community isn't dead
#3 - yea, at least people could play w/o getting a "mes(or ure choice of prof) sucks, gtfo noob", granted ursan was not the greatest thing in gw history at least it opened up gameplay for the average player.
Captain Bulldozer
I'll echo what Konig said...
I rarely used Ursan myself, as it got boring pretty fast. However, what I DO miss is how easy Ursan made it to get parties in places like Slavers Exile and DoA. What Ursan did do nicely is simplify the art of PuGing so that elite areas like DoA were doable without a considerable headache.
A lot of people compare Ursan to Shadow Form... I'd say both have more or less the same problem. They make areas which are, perhaps through design flaws, too hard for the average player (yeah we all know the average player is pretty nooby these days) doable. For comparison, though, its pretty clear that Shadow form is actually the more powerful of the two skills. Take DoA for example... how many Ursan groups were you part of that failed in Ravenheart Gloom? Even in nm it could be challenging. Currently my perma + 1 hero can run the entire place in HM. Ursans made UWSC take half an hour. Permas made it take 10 minutes. With Ursan, people did Duncan runs about every 3 hours.... with SF people can do a Duncan run in about 30-45 minutes.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not really missing Ursan. I just wish that instead of simply nerfing the flavor of the day's over-powered skill, I wish ANET had taken a deeper look at the design of certain places that makes people able to/need to resort to tremendously over-powered skills to be able to complete.
I rarely used Ursan myself, as it got boring pretty fast. However, what I DO miss is how easy Ursan made it to get parties in places like Slavers Exile and DoA. What Ursan did do nicely is simplify the art of PuGing so that elite areas like DoA were doable without a considerable headache.
A lot of people compare Ursan to Shadow Form... I'd say both have more or less the same problem. They make areas which are, perhaps through design flaws, too hard for the average player (yeah we all know the average player is pretty nooby these days) doable. For comparison, though, its pretty clear that Shadow form is actually the more powerful of the two skills. Take DoA for example... how many Ursan groups were you part of that failed in Ravenheart Gloom? Even in nm it could be challenging. Currently my perma + 1 hero can run the entire place in HM. Ursans made UWSC take half an hour. Permas made it take 10 minutes. With Ursan, people did Duncan runs about every 3 hours.... with SF people can do a Duncan run in about 30-45 minutes.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not really missing Ursan. I just wish that instead of simply nerfing the flavor of the day's over-powered skill, I wish ANET had taken a deeper look at the design of certain places that makes people able to/need to resort to tremendously over-powered skills to be able to complete.
Leather Square
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#1 - pre/post ursan economy still sucked it started to go down during NF and EOTN killed it almost completely
#2 - spend 10 minutes in Spamadan and tell me the community isn't dead #3 - yea, at least people could play w/o getting a "mes(or ure choice of prof) sucks, gtfo noob", granted ursan was not the greatest thing in gw history at least it opened up gameplay for the average player. |
Pleikki
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Don't miss Ursan, as i never used it outside 'blood washes blood', which I completed back in 2007.
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#1 - pre/post ursan economy still sucked it started to go down during NF and EOTN killed it almost completely
#2 - spend 10 minutes in Spamadan and tell me the community isn't dead #3 - yea, at least people could play w/o getting a "mes(or ure choice of prof) sucks, gtfo noob", granted ursan was not the greatest thing in gw history at least it opened up gameplay for the average player. |
#2- wat
#3- if you EVER have had trouble clearing a zone or mission in PvE based on your profession I'm going to have to disregard everything you've ever said.
I pwnd U
Why would I miss something I didn't use? It was an abused skill that was extremely dull to use. Hit 1, now you are a "bear". Mash 123 or whatever it was. *Yawn* I remember when their used to be original builds that people used to beat areas.
Marako D
Ursan was the best skill ever, but it has been replaced with Discord.
wilebill
Never used it. What was the point of being one class or another if Ursan erased the distinction?
Perfected Shadow
Yeah I miss(ed) the whole ursan era when I stopped playing a while. I wouldn't mind it returning because I wanna see a populated doa.
Marty Silverblade
I never used it (I like to play games that you can't beat by banging your head on the keyboard), and it was especially bad since bad players got arrogant about how much they 'achieved'.
Abedeus
No. I don't miss it. I'm happy they nerfed it to hell.
Too bad idiots found a new skill to abuse. At least now more people can get into pugs, regardless of grinding.
Too bad idiots found a new skill to abuse. At least now more people can get into pugs, regardless of grinding.
glacialphoenix
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The profession benefits and skill-tied-to-rank problems are two of its biggest problems, but they're only two. Out of a whole lot. The combination eventually made for an even worse form of profession discrimination, where people were looking for things like 'glf w/me r10 norn ursan with conset' (ridiculous, really), but my beef with it is
1. It replaced the entire skillset. You had absolutely no reason to learn how to play a class because you could get away with just being an Ursan. This meant you'd end up meeting players with no sense of tactics whatsoever. Like rangers who didn't know how to pull.
2. The +health and +armour meant a lot of players thought they were invincible. I'm sure you can see why that's a problem, especially when you're monking.
3. Speaking of monking, Ursan was such a great form of damage mitigation - armour-ignoring, mass KD-lock on enemies - that it encouraged the use of pure-heal bars. The use of which still hasn't gone down today (unless more people are suddenly catching on to the implications of the latest update, which I doubt), despite the fact that players without Ursan are that much squishier.
4. It would still have been a free pass to completing everywhere else in the game. I wouldn't have had a beef with it if you could only use it in Norn areas, but it became so prevalent in the game that you couldn't do anything but HB monk or Ursan if you wanted to play with people. Unless you got together a group of like-minded souls. You couldn't go anywhere and look for a group without seeing people advertising for Ursan. It'd crop up during the CNY and Dragon Festival quests, it'd turn up in Sanctum Cay, it turned up everywhere, to the point of ridiculousness.
Primary attributes affecting the ability to upkeep Ursan meant profession discrimination still existed, which was stupid given the fact that it was probably trying to solve the issue of profession discrimination in the first place. Norn title rank meant you had to grind or be kicked, which devolved into ridiculousness: I have a friend who only maxed her Norn rank (she's going for GWAMM) during the most recent double EotN weekend. Why? Because she couldn't get into Norn point farming groups back when Ursan existed since her Norn rank was too low. Too low being ~R6, I think.
So tl;dr I would have been happier without the two issues you mentioned, but they're just two big flaws in a sea of WTF.
upier
I wasn't planning on getting GWEN, but then I saw Ursan and fell in LOVE with the skill. I then played with a guy that, jokingly, ran it on his mesmer in NM Kryta areas, and I was looking at the guy and he didn't seem any different when running it! So I asked him, how come I don't see the bear form, and he said you do NOT shapeshift into it.
And I was like, OMG! I AM SOOOO NEVER BUYING GWEN, THIS PIECE OF MOTHER RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOING SHIT THAT WON'T ALLOW ME TO MORPH INTO A BEAR!1!!!!!!!1!!! YOU RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOING RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOTARDS AT A.NET GO DIE!1!!!!
And I didn't.
Then a few months later, an ex-guildy dropped a line, and told me he had a spare copy of GWEN left. So I figured since it's free, I could take it.
I still didn't run Ursan though because the memory of having something that I wished with all my heart, being taken away so violently was still to painful to bare! Or to bear!
*goes to weep in a corner*
And I was like, OMG! I AM SOOOO NEVER BUYING GWEN, THIS PIECE OF MOTHER RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOING SHIT THAT WON'T ALLOW ME TO MORPH INTO A BEAR!1!!!!!!!1!!! YOU RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOING RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOTARDS AT A.NET GO DIE!1!!!!
And I didn't.
Then a few months later, an ex-guildy dropped a line, and told me he had a spare copy of GWEN left. So I figured since it's free, I could take it.
I still didn't run Ursan though because the memory of having something that I wished with all my heart, being taken away so violently was still to painful to bare! Or to bear!
*goes to weep in a corner*
Kook~NBK~
Do I miss Ursan Blessing? NOPE, not in the least. I used it once or twice with guildies/allies (VQ Joko's Domain with it) and thought that the complete lack of any kind of challenge sucked the life out of the game.
tadevil
I'm glad they nerfed Ursan and I don't miss it the slightest I never even used it outside of that one quest, now only if they would nerf SF some balance would come to elite missions then I and people who would actually enjoy playing this game with a climax and some effort would be rather happy.
I still see Ursan run by pugs in missions and I bash them for it, I can't stand the skill, it's for people who really do suck at the game. Don't have money for armor? Use Ursan. Don't have good weapons? Use Ursan. No skills unlocked? Use Ursan, because you suck and don't like a challenge even if it might cause you to fail.
I still see Ursan run by pugs in missions and I bash them for it, I can't stand the skill, it's for people who really do suck at the game. Don't have money for armor? Use Ursan. Don't have good weapons? Use Ursan. No skills unlocked? Use Ursan, because you suck and don't like a challenge even if it might cause you to fail.
Bug John
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I'm glad they nerfed Ursan and I don't miss it the slightest I never even used it outside of that one quest, now only if they would nerf SF some balance would come to elite missions then I and people who would actually enjoy playing this game with a climax and some effort would be rather happy.
I still see Ursan run by pugs in missions and I bash them for it, I can't stand the skill, it's for people who really do suck at the game. Don't have money for armor? Use Ursan. Don't have good weapons? Use Ursan. No skills unlocked? Use Ursan, because you suck and don't like a challenge even if it might cause you to fail. |
So ursan was used because it allowed to play without good equipment, and pve has to require "effort", thanks for the laugh.
I hated ursan for the rank requirements and the shitty childish behavior lots of players had, but now I kind of miss seeing some groups completing doa without being tank + nuke.
Ursan allowed terrible players (90% of the pve community) to be somewhat successful, although most of them were unable to exploit it to the max (bad aggro, bad usage of kd, unable to follow called targets...).
Bryant Again
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Ursan allowed terrible players (90% of the pve community) to be somewhat successful, although most of them were unable to exploit it to the max (bad aggro, bad usage of kd, unable to follow called targets...).
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Ursan was the completely wrong way, the "easyasballs" way, to "fix" their PvE game.
"It helped the inexperienced": To an extent. Many were barred entry because of many of the pugs asking for "R10 ONLY PLZ".
But a better way to help the inexperienced? Making the areas less hardcore friendly in Normal mode. Those who are still a bit lacking in performance can see and experience the areas in NM while those still hoping to maintain challenge can stay in HM.
It also aimed to help balance class diversity by completely destroying it. If that's what ANet really wanted to do then they should've made only two classes: the Healzor and the Bear. Funnily enough they even failed in trying to make everyone the same.
In short, UB fails for three reasons:
-Coming up with the idea of making everyone the same in the first place
-Not being able to make every profession the same
-Barely helping the more casual populous, if at all
mathiastemplar
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No, not really.
When Ursan first started up it was all right, but it eventually caused the bad players to come out in droves, thinking that they could get away with anything because it was Ursan, and all you needed was R10 Norn. You'd see things like rangers saying "I didn't bring a bow because I'm running Ursan", and the whole situation degenerated from "GLF Ursan" to "GLF Ursan R10" to "GLF URSAN R10 MUST HAVE CONSET" fairly quickly. As for the original, unnerfed skill, eh, whatever, it's in Blood Washes Blood, and I don't care as long as it stays there instead of being ported around all of Tyria. |
matsif
I miss the fact that unless I get a guild/alliance group together there is no chance of me getting UW done on my warrior anymore and that any class could go anywhere and do elite areas with it
I don't miss that it ruined the economy and the grind required by pugs to get into groups
I don't miss that it ruined the economy and the grind required by pugs to get into groups
Lonesamurai
Did it go somewhere?
dr love
thats how i did all my VQ, ursan slapping
The forth fly
yes i used it a lot for UW/FoW pugs,If you say you didn't ever use it your in to PvP,a idiot or a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing liar
Swahnee
In the ursan era everyone wanted to run ursan+HB
Now everyone wants to run SF+HB/UAmimicry (not necessarily in the same party)
and if you want to try something new (or if something actually works better) than you have to play solo or with few selected friends...
Nothing changed too much IMHO
Now everyone wants to run SF+HB/UAmimicry (not necessarily in the same party)
and if you want to try something new (or if something actually works better) than you have to play solo or with few selected friends...
Nothing changed too much IMHO
saloking
ursan...was horrible noobs went with ursan and thought that they were awesome killing everything. eles went tanking with ursan. everything this game ever was, became unstable with ursan. i hated that skill and i hated everyone that got their "pro" titles and who abused it.
i loved when they nerfed it. all the noobs went back to their original state and the game was being played as it should be. all these r10 went /cutemo mode haha
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i loved when they nerfed it. all the noobs went back to their original state and the game was being played as it should be. all these r10 went /cutemo mode haha
anders_O
Can't say I really miss it, but it would be nice to use something other than my sin for "high-end" pve
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Though, that's what they were designed to do. It doesn't mean it's done well outside of obbi builds.
the pretender
Yeah I did miss ursan. But, meh I found that playing with guild mates is much faster and fun. Now only Perma needs to be nerfed as well, despite what anyones says it does(More or less fully disable for a few months). Give the game some time to catch up (or fully collapse). Either way the game has nothing to offer anymore and MOST likely never will. Its just a time killer.
Fate Crusher
Ursan will only be missed because so many people were able to use it and farm the heck out of DoA and other elite areas.
The team build itself wasn't very strong, only brave. 6 ursans and 2 HB monks? lawl.
The team build itself wasn't very strong, only brave. 6 ursans and 2 HB monks? lawl.
own age myname
I miss it, somewhat. It was a fun way to get norn rank up (ursan groups in Olaf's) because I could PUG and have fun. I never really tried FoW/UW groups with Ursan, but I did try DoA, which failed horribly.
Ursan is better then Shadow Form, imo. Atleast Ursan CAN die.
Ursan is better then Shadow Form, imo. Atleast Ursan CAN die.
MithranArkanere
It was excessive and had to be changed.
Yet still was better than those Speed Clear groups, since it allowed all professions.
Yet still was better than those Speed Clear groups, since it allowed all professions.
isildorbiafra
The question that should be asked is Why! Why skills like ursan and SF?
IMO this is Anets well thought of plan to kill the economy before GW2 comes out....so that we all buy that; and dont linger on the past. And lets be honest. They are doing a splendid job of it.
IMO this is Anets well thought of plan to kill the economy before GW2 comes out....so that we all buy that; and dont linger on the past. And lets be honest. They are doing a splendid job of it.
AngeliqueSynner
I don't miss it.
The only thing I used it for outside of completing Blood Washes Blood was for a bit of mapping in the Dunes of Despair mission on my necro.
I couldn't get past the scarabs with 505 health. 700 fixed that. xD
And I take it for helping friends and guildies do BWB. Because taking back the shrine is a pain in the ass and I don't feel like doing it most of the time.
The only thing I used it for outside of completing Blood Washes Blood was for a bit of mapping in the Dunes of Despair mission on my necro.
I couldn't get past the scarabs with 505 health. 700 fixed that. xD
And I take it for helping friends and guildies do BWB. Because taking back the shrine is a pain in the ass and I don't feel like doing it most of the time.
Test Me
Ursan is past... what's the point of "missing it"?
Balance the elite missions out he says 
You "enjoy effort", so who stops you? Go put as much effort as you like in your balanced elite mission runs. But that is not what you are looking for is it? All you want is that everybody that doesn't "enjoy effort" in a game to be given the same treatment and be forced to make efforts to play the game just because that is how you want to play it.
Live and let live. Plz.
With this I agree.
No matter how brain dumb it was, I liked ursan. And unlike all these brave champions here declaring they've never used it, I've never went to DoA again after ursan was nerfed. All those of you that never used ursan pbly never finished DoA either. Anyway I don't enjoy "the effort" DoA requires. Cause I wanna be able to use the WC at least once in every 3h if I so wish.
And many people seem to forget a very basic thing: brain dead games can be highly entertaining!
But no, I don't miss it. I do miss DoA tho... Was my favorite elite.
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I'm glad they nerfed Ursan and I don't miss it the slightest I never even used it outside of that one quest, now only if they would nerf SF some balance would come to elite missions then I and people who would actually enjoy playing this game with a climax and some effort would be rather happy.
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You "enjoy effort", so who stops you? Go put as much effort as you like in your balanced elite mission runs. But that is not what you are looking for is it? All you want is that everybody that doesn't "enjoy effort" in a game to be given the same treatment and be forced to make efforts to play the game just because that is how you want to play it.
Live and let live. Plz.
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No matter how brain dumb it was, I liked ursan. And unlike all these brave champions here declaring they've never used it, I've never went to DoA again after ursan was nerfed. All those of you that never used ursan pbly never finished DoA either. Anyway I don't enjoy "the effort" DoA requires. Cause I wanna be able to use the WC at least once in every 3h if I so wish.
And many people seem to forget a very basic thing: brain dead games can be highly entertaining!
But no, I don't miss it. I do miss DoA tho... Was my favorite elite.
persuadu
I loved it. I miss it. I hope they bring it back.