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Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

19 Aug 2009 at 09:03 - 121

Quote:

Originally Posted by byteme!

Agreed. Apparently having a full team of "Solo'ers" is much better then a full team of Ursans.

I remember the best argument people could come up with was...

Even though "any" class can use Ursan you were not really playing your class the way it was meant to be played. Well with the current Perma meta in PvE you still can't play your Mesmer, Paragon, Derv etc... Some of you people are way to smart for this game.

A pretty common mentality is people being insanely adamant about an overpowered facet and seeing it as the only one thing killing PvE, and that is not a terribly accurate viewpoint. I know because I used to have it. I was really happy when Ursan was nerfed because I thought PvE was going to perfect without it, but it was then that I widened my view of the game and realized that it is really screwed.

Yes, Ursan was a problem. But it was more hopeless sign from the devs than anything else. They knew not all professions were desired, that PUGs had a hard time going - but instead of fixing those problems, instead of balancing the classes more towards PvE and making things easier for the inexperienced, they pretty much just threw their arms up and went "well *%@! it".

Thus Ursan was born. They didn't want to balance the professions, they didn't want to provide alternate settings for inexperienced players to see the content. They just attempted to make all the classes balanced by making them all the same, and if that's what you plan to do then why have multiple professions at all? With it also being overpowered, this showed that they had no intention of reworking the areas.

But still: the game is better off with Ursan. What's depressing is ANet didn't follow up on it. It's depressing that they nerfed Ursan and just kind of left it at that. There's still a lot - a LOT - of fixing that needs to be done to PvE, and sadly I don't think we're going to see it coming.

Tenebrae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Spain

LHV

R/N

19 Aug 2009 at 09:26 - 122

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryant Again

But still: the game is better off with Ursan. What's depressing is ANet didn't follow up on it. It's depressing that they nerfed Ursan and just kind of left it at that. There's still a lot - a LOT - of fixing that needs to be done to PvE, and sadly I don't think we're going to see it coming.

Thats it , pretty much sums it all . There are now certain COMBOS of skills that need impressive work and fixing but UB ? cmon , it was just 1 skill. 1 skill needed to BREAK any concept GW always offered .... i dont know how those Animal blessings were designed like that in the first place , bad choice .... really bad bad choice .

qvtkc

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

19 Aug 2009 at 13:12 - 123

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryant Again

I was really happy when Ursan was nerfed because I thought PvE was going to perfect without it, but it was then that I widened my view of the game and realized that it is really screwed.

Ursan was nerfed before Zaishen quests were put in the game. Can you imagine what it would be like if it still was as strong as ever? Do you remember how Hell's Precipice looked like on the day they gave us the Prophecies endgame greens?

Every single Zaishen quest mission/bounty would be overrun by people demanding 6 bears 2 monks rank 10 and nothing else. It wouldn't even be a game.

Do Urden

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2008

Mo/

19 Aug 2009 at 13:45 - 124

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrisworld

What's different about it? I forget...

I'm not sure if this was said before, but they changed ursan strike so that it wasn't a ranged attack anymore.

high priestess anya

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

19 Aug 2009 at 13:47 - 125

I absolutely destroyed DOA thanks to Ursan Blessing and I don't miss it one bit. It was fun whilst it lasted but I feel no one skill should be so powerful. It did get tediously boring after 2 weeks of it and it did take the fun out of the hardest area's. Have they nerfed Cryway yet? I haven't played for a while and was hoping the nerf would be here by now.

To Chicken To Die

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Mo/

19 Aug 2009 at 13:53 - 126

Nope not at all. Just now it's funny to think of the commotion made about the nerf. It all has seateld and found it's peace so we went to the next perma XD.

QQ dang brought the perma up.

Ghost Omel

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

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19 Aug 2009 at 14:02 - 127

meh.. not really. I wouldnt go nuts like others if id be back and i wont care if it disapears again. The player that adapts to anything without complainng is the best kind of a player =)

JoeKnowMo

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2005

Wessst Siiide, USA

Mo/

19 Aug 2009 at 15:58 - 128

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryant Again

They knew not all professions were desired, that PUGs had a hard time going - but instead of fixing those problems, instead of balancing the classes more towards PvE and making things easier for the inexperienced, they pretty much just threw their arms up and went "well *%@! it".

Professions have been getting buffed pretty well of late. The Rit and pet buffs for instance.

Outside of specific farming areas where certain builds are requested, what profession has trouble getting into a pug? You won't find prof discrimination when pugging the z-quests so I'm not sure what you're complaining about.

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

19 Aug 2009 at 16:06 - 129

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Omel

meh.. not really. I wouldnt go nuts like others if id be back and i wont care if it disapears again. The player that adapts to anything without complainng is the best kind of a player =)

Dunno about you but I'd at least like *some* feedback from my playerbase in designing the game. Otherwise you get no direction.

Barrage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

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19 Aug 2009 at 16:52 - 130

I kinda wish it wasn't nerfed, honestly the massive amounts of Q.Q coming in on shadow form is exactly the same in ursan. AT LEAST with ursan it doesn't discriminate against classes or skill level.

But it's still a vicious cycle.
1.New farming method introduced
2.Going well for a while
3.Then MASSIVE complaining from players
4.Gets nerfed
5 Repeat from step one

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

19 Aug 2009 at 17:18 - 131

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barrage

I kinda wish it wasn't nerfed, honestly the massive amounts of Q.Q coming in on shadow form is exactly the same in ursan. AT LEAST with ursan it doesn't discriminate against classes or skill level.

It does against rank, though.

Barrage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

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19 Aug 2009 at 17:28 - 132

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryant Again

It does against rank, though.

Well if you take it like that then we are in an argument that will never end, the "perfect farming method" is unachievable by these standards, Ursan is the closest we ever got to "no discrimination "

byteme!

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

On Earth

W/P

20 Aug 2009 at 03:29 - 133

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barrage

Well if you take it like that then we are in an argument that will never end, the "perfect farming method" is unachievable by these standards, Ursan is the closest we ever got to "no discrimination "

Agreed. Been wanting to say something like this but could never come up with the right words.

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

20 Aug 2009 at 05:59 - 134

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barrage

Well if you take it like that then we are in an argument that will never end, the "perfect farming method" is unachievable by these standards, Ursan is the closest we ever got to "no discrimination "

Of course there was no discrimination, everybody was the same! There were no Warriors, Mesmers, Rits, Rangers, or Ele's. There were only Bears and Monks. The only defining difference in all of the classes became not in their skills and attributes but in their appearance. Is that really something we'd want to reduce the game to?

froom

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Mo/

20 Aug 2009 at 14:29 - 135

i'm glad i missed the whole ursan blessing craze.

as a monk, i cringe at the few remaining ppl who still use it regularly.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

20 Aug 2009 at 14:38 - 136

I don't miss it. I can't miss it. It is still in my Skill list.

How could I miss something I have not lost?

Shadowhaze

Nothing, tra la la?

Join Date: Oct 2007

20 Aug 2009 at 15:02 - 137

I kind of miss it how it was but oh well.

X3R0

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2007

W/

20 Aug 2009 at 19:21 - 138

They should make Ursan how it was before since they giving all the noobs what they want anyways, with all these unnecessary skill buffs to Ritualists, Rangers, and Paragons.

Barrage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

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20 Aug 2009 at 20:30 - 139

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Of course there was no discrimination, everybody was the same! There were no Warriors, Mesmers, Rits, Rangers, or Ele's. There were only Bears and Monks. The only defining difference in all of the classes became not in their skills and attributes but in their appearance. Is that really something we'd want to reduce the game to?

Because ursan made it so everyone is on an equal plain (besides rank but you gotta give SOME way to work for it). What people keep saying is that we need a farming method where EVERY class can join in. This was ursan. The only way of completely making it "No discrimination" is to give every class same skill opportunities and, ursan did this, but everyone still complained. So really, it's un-nerf ursan or just nerf farming into oblivion because there will always be outcries of " It's Unbalanced or it discriminates against other classes"

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

20 Aug 2009 at 20:49 - 140

One thing is true, Ursan, Wolf and Raven should have been designed to work toghether,

For example. Dealing two conditions and the other ones getting advantage of one of the conditions:
- Bear: Deals A, B, takes advantage of C and E
- Bear: Deals C, D, takes advantage of A and F
- Bear: Deals E, F, takes advantage of B and D

glacialphoenix

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

Singapore

Royal Order of Flying Lemmings [ROFL]

Mo/

20 Aug 2009 at 23:00 - 141

Quote:

The only way of completely making it "No discrimination" is to give every class same skill opportunities and, ursan did this, but everyone still complained.

It did not. Certain classes were favoured due to primary attribute and/or armour class. Come tail end of Ursan, I started seeing a lot more groups that wanted specific classes because of the added armour bonus, or because of the ability to upkeep it. They changed that particular aspect when they nerfed it, but since we're talking about pre-nerf Ursan Blessing here...

Barrage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

A/

21 Aug 2009 at 00:21 - 142

Quote:

Originally Posted by glacialphoenix

It did not. Certain classes were favoured due to primary attribute and/or armour class. Come tail end of Ursan, I started seeing a lot more groups that wanted specific classes because of the added armour bonus, or because of the ability to upkeep it. They changed that particular aspect when they nerfed it, but since we're talking about pre-nerf Ursan Blessing here...

Interesting observation, i suppose they could fix it to make it to

Ursan Blessing
Elite Form. You take on the aspect of a bear. All your attributes are set to 0 and bear attacks replace your skills. This form ends when your energy hits 0. While this form is active you have 750,,,790,,,800 Health, 100 armor, and 30 energy. Energy is regained with each hit.

I butchered the description but ya get the point.
~Edit~ added skills
Ursan Strike : Deals 60,,,75 slashing damage
Ursan Rage: Deals 100,,,135 physical damage ( No kd ) Hits foes adjacent to you
Ursan Roar: Shout. (2...5 seconds) Inflicts Weakness condition to foes in earshot. Allies in earshot deal +8...15 damage per attacks.

I made em a bit better with lower ranks, but again just suggestions.

nanase ren

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2009

21 Aug 2009 at 01:09 - 143

Quote:

Originally Posted by X3R0

They should make Ursan how it was before since they giving all the noobs what they want anyways, with all these unnecessary skill buffs to Ritualists, Rangers, and Paragons.

Sry but are u retarded so u would rather turn GW back into a giant bear petting zoo?
Paras rits and rangers are so under powered in PVE it is stupid.
Just cos u have no brain and only wanna press a few buttons cos u lack the skill.
Also paras rits and rangers really we disowned in elite areas me i play on a para i had to make Hero and hench cos no one ever played with them now that the buffs are being done they are being used more often.

aga

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2009

England

A/

21 Aug 2009 at 01:17 - 144

I don't miss it, I did after it was nerfed, but then SF got buffed, so that was the new gimmick...

kostolomac

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2008

Serbia

Me/

21 Aug 2009 at 01:23 - 145

Yes I do to some extent. I liked how fast and stress-free it was to organize groups for elite areas, but I hated how nearly every other mission and quest was "LFG r10 ursan or monk, everyone else gtfo".

Cloud_Deven

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

In A Theater Near You

Mistriven Guardians

N/Mo

21 Aug 2009 at 01:52 - 146

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barrage

Because ursan made it so everyone is on an equal plain (besides rank but you gotta give SOME way to work for it).

What he said, if it was no rank people would complain and say "It's too ezy"

Chronos the Defiler

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

W/

21 Aug 2009 at 01:56 - 147

miss it? it is still there...so you can't miss something that isn't gone.

As for me, I never used it.

Cloud_Deven

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

In A Theater Near You

Mistriven Guardians

N/Mo

21 Aug 2009 at 02:06 - 148

Thats like telling a crippled "you can walk on those stubs of legs you got."

qvtkc

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

21 Aug 2009 at 12:38 - 149

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barrage

Because ursan made it so everyone is on an equal plain (besides rank but you gotta give SOME way to work for it). What people keep saying is that we need a farming method where EVERY class can join in. This was ursan.

Why? Seriously now, is there any special reason why you are unable to create a character that people want, instead of demanding that they take whatever you have?

boxterduke

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Walking the ruins of Ascalon

DVDF

Me/

21 Aug 2009 at 13:21 - 150

Nope, don't miss it.
I actually used it once or twice only and that was when beating Mallyx.
I never used it while playing.
Used to get in groups that everyone was Ursan, even if just to do a simple quest. It was disgusting.

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

21 Aug 2009 at 14:13 - 151

I miss tards who tried to defend it, their arguments were simply smashing!
Great fun all around.

Miss Puddles

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

Shiverpeaks Search And Rescue [Lost]

Me/

21 Aug 2009 at 16:48 - 152

I DO miss being able to take my "less wanted" professions through elite areas, dungeons, etc and PuGs were slightly less likely to epic fail.
I DO NOT miss grinding Path to Revelations with each character and being able to complete late night DoA runs while almost fully asleep. As long as you are lucid enough to press tab-space-1-2-3-tab-space-1-2-3 you can complete any area. And that sucks all the fun out of a game.

Cloud_Deven

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

In A Theater Near You

Mistriven Guardians

N/Mo

21 Aug 2009 at 23:56 - 153

Quote:

Originally Posted by qvtkc

Why? Seriously now, is there any special reason why you are unable to create a character that people want, instead of demanding that they take whatever you have?

Because I shouldn't have to think "well people like this so I'll make a (insert choice prof)" It should be "I wanna play a (insert choice prof) so I'm gonna make one." If I wanna be a mes i shouldnt expect to get almost no groups.

And we aren't demanding they take w/e we have, its that they demand we roll w/e they want.

UndeadRoadkill

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

22 Aug 2009 at 03:10 - 154

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cloud_Deven

What he said, if it was no rank people would complain and say "It's too ezy"

The did say it was too easy anyway. The only hard thing about grinding rank is keeping yourself from falling asleep.

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

22 Aug 2009 at 03:59 - 155

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barrage

Because ursan made it so everyone is on an equal plain (besides rank but you gotta give SOME way to work for it). What people keep saying is that we need a farming method where EVERY class can join in. This was ursan. The only way of completely making it "No discrimination" is to give every class same skill opportunities and, ursan did this, but everyone still complained. So really, it's un-nerf ursan or just nerf farming into oblivion because there will always be outcries of " It's Unbalanced or it discriminates against other classes"

What we asked for was more class balance in PvE.

What we got was balance, sure. But we nearly completely lost class identity as well, "nearly" because we still had our classes' appearance.

"Hey doc, my foot hurts."
"Well let's chop it off then!"

X3R0

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2007

W/

22 Aug 2009 at 05:07 - 156

Quote:

Originally Posted by nanase ren

Sry but are u retarded so u would rather turn GW back into a giant bear petting zoo?
Paras rits and rangers are so under powered in PVE it is stupid.
Just cos u have no brain and only wanna press a few buttons cos u lack the skill.
Also paras rits and rangers really we disowned in elite areas me i play on a para i had to make Hero and hench cos no one ever played with them now that the buffs are being done they are being used more often.

First, learn how to spell. Second all those classes where not underpowered you just don't know how to play like so many people. Here let me give you a few examples of what me and my alliance did before the skill changes.

1.Had one monk and one Rit(guildy) in Groove mission while monk sucked the Rit healed everyone even kept singers alive, got Masters no problem.
2.Party made of 5 Paragons, 1 Derv and 2 Rangers, mind you no monks, we killed Varesh HM got masters then killed Abbadon HM masters as well.
Did more missions on HM while we where at it, all masters with same party.
All of this with no CONS.

Learn how to play and not use PvX wiki like everyone else. Anyone who thinks those classes are underpowered can't play.

Cloud_Deven

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

In A Theater Near You

Mistriven Guardians

N/Mo

22 Aug 2009 at 05:09 - 157

I can't imagine a solution to anti-class discrimination that doesn't make people lose class identity. wasn't that the problem in the first place, some professions were deemed better than others and the latter had to h/h

X3R0

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2007

W/

22 Aug 2009 at 05:18 - 158

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cloud_Deven

Because I shouldn't have to think "well people like this so I'll make a (insert choice prof)" It should be "I wanna play a (insert choice prof) so I'm gonna make one." If I wanna be a mes i shouldnt expect to get almost no groups.

And we aren't demanding they take w/e we have, its that they demand we roll w/e they want.

Have to agree with you there Cloud_Deven, most people demand a certain profession and then some want you to run their build(probably PvX), they should take what they can get in a pug. Didn't matter the proffesion with Ursan everyone that had it could get picked, yes some professions work better with it but its about the same everyone do equally as good as long as they know how to play. In be for button smashing cause thats what almost every build is especially assassins.

AKB48

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2008

みやき町

Mo/A

22 Aug 2009 at 05:30 - 159

I'd rather half the damage or even cut the damage by 2/3 than having Ursan the way it is now. The whole problem was that it does waaaaaaaaaay too much damage at little cost and made pve eassssssssssssssssssssssy(somehow that = bad in some people's minds). So instead of making it annoying to play with, why not just adjust the problem it self? Less damage would solve the problem. But......Anet thought otherwise. Xp

aleaf92

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2007

New York City, New York

Mo/

22 Aug 2009 at 06:56 - 160

PvE is still very easy. We all need HHM [Harder Hard Mode].

Ursan made PUGs come back.