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Martin Kerstein

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

28 Aug 2009 at 00:17 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kain Fz

Uhm... Why is it they need Canadians to answer additional mathematical questions? I doubt they have racist intentions, but I don't see the reasoning.

Could a PR or anyone else tell me why this is?

It is a legal requirement:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skill_testing_question

Iotan

Krytan Explorer

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28 Aug 2009 at 00:18 - 42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kain Fz

Uhm... Why is it they need Canadians to answer additional mathematical questions? I doubt they have racist intentions, but I don't see the reasoning.

Could a PR or anyone else tell me why this is?

They've done this in every contest they've had. It has to do with Canadian laws, specifically that you can't give something away. Answering a simple math question means that you "win" it.

As for Australia, Asia, etc. it's all about laws and regulations. Either too costly or too difficult to register for those places.

Perfected Shadow

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Zul'Aman

Umes Uranger U[bot]

28 Aug 2009 at 00:43 - 43

Hmmm are they gonna have runes/insignias? What weapon mods will they have, etc? Sorry if it's been answered already, just not in the mood to read the posts.

El Presidente

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28 Aug 2009 at 00:45 - 44

"We've listened to the voices of many players and are removing heroes from Guild vs. Guild and Heroes Ascent play. In order to give all players the ability to participate in those formats (even if they can't form a full party with other players) we're replacing heroes with a selection of new, henchmen".

OK, it's either really late in the day or I'm just not understanding something here.

1. Remove heroes yet replace with henchies (to form that full party when players can't).

2. Remove heroes yet replace with henchies that have (possible) similar or exact bars (like the ones you typically see in HA now).

Other than the henchman bars will probably be set, unlike the option now to change a hero bar, how is anything changing?

Narcissia

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2007

BC Canada

Guild With No [NAM???]

28 Aug 2009 at 00:46 - 45

Im curious.
Seeing as meta for GvG and HA is usually constantly changing from update to update, will the henchmen bars change as well? Or will we have a bunch of useless heroes in a few months when the meta has changed, and then have to listen to people complain about useless henchmen and not being able to fill up groups, especially in small/starting guilds where they can be short on players?

Elephantaliste

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2008

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28 Aug 2009 at 00:54 - 46

Quote:

In order to give all players the ability to participate in those formats (even if they can't form a full party with other players) we're replacing heroes with a selection of new, henchmen.

Some skillfull players are already doing henchway...

But this upcoming update of HA/GvG will allow any players to start games easier, especially when they can only play a limited amount of time.

We can wounder now how many henchmen will be allowed, 3|4|5|6|7 ?

Soon, a one-man guild top 10 gvg !

More seriously for those participating to the contest, I think it is no use to submit Teaser builds or anything abusing AI velocity.

mage767

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

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28 Aug 2009 at 00:56 - 47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elephantaliste

Some skillfull players are already doing henchway...

But this upcoming update of HA/GvG will allow any players to start games easier, especially when they can only play a limited amount of time.

We can wounder now how many henchmen will be allowed, 3|4|5|6|7 ?

Soon, a one-man guild top 10 gvg !

More seriously for those participating to the contest, I think it is no use to submit Teaser builds or anything abusing AI velocity.

Pvp folks better start worry about their emotes because with henchies, pve guys will enter and get emotes easily.

Emotes ftl.

instanceskiller

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2008

Myst

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28 Aug 2009 at 00:58 - 48

hey was wandering...wen they do announce the winners...how long will it take to actually implement the bars?

cus they will announce the winners late in the month and with the limited resources allocated to gw1...i wander if this will mean they'll have to postpone the content update till the end of next month?

Anon-e-mouse

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

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R/Mo

28 Aug 2009 at 01:04 - 49

Quote:

Originally Posted by snaek

so this is the date of our next content update?

Gotta be one before then, for the Aion wings.. unless the **41** files I downloaded tonight included wings.

41 files for an NPC in GToB, seems a bit excessive.

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

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28 Aug 2009 at 01:06 - 50

Dropped a few builds, fingers crossed.

Lishy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

28 Aug 2009 at 01:07 - 51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Kerstein

It is a legal requirement:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skill_testing_question

Ah, thanks.
I didn't know.

Looking forward to this. I'll try to make a Dervish build

Zanagi Kazuhiko

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Join Date: Jan 2009

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LF trolling/flaming guild, 8=D

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28 Aug 2009 at 01:10 - 52

W/mo mending ftw

tuna-fish_sushi

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Join Date: Dec 2005

California

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28 Aug 2009 at 01:14 - 53

Lol Canadians are not allowed to win something by chance, so they give a small math test so they can say they won it using skill or logic.

Chocobo1

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

New Zealand

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28 Aug 2009 at 01:15 - 54

Do we have to factor in AI flaws/stregnths? As in, putting Pdrain on bars for energy management because we know heroes never miss with it?

Lishy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

28 Aug 2009 at 01:21 - 55

It said "Quebec excluded"

What does that mean? That we don't have to answer the question? Or we cannot enter?

Solas

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ireland

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28 Aug 2009 at 01:32 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by exploiter

That is epic

never get tired of seeing it:P

[quote=Guildwars.com[e]
Originality: Entries must be the submission of the contestant and cannot be taken from any other source. Your submission must not infringe on any patent, copyright, trademark or other intellectual property right, or any privacy, publicity or publishing rights of any third party, or be libelous, obscene or otherwise contrary to law.
[Quote]

I assume this puts an end to using wiki builds?:P
Should make it more interesting

Chocobo1

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

New Zealand

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28 Aug 2009 at 01:35 - 57

I'm kinda worried now, I know some of my bars are similar to that used on wiki but I did actually make them up. Oh well, not really expecting to win anyway. Was going to submit a tainter bar but I just know theres going to be a billion of them put foward.

El Presidente

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28 Aug 2009 at 01:37 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kain Fz

It said "Quebec excluded"

What does that mean? That we don't have to answer the question? Or we cannot enter?

It means entries will not be accepted from those living in Quebec.

go cubs

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2007

Chicago

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28 Aug 2009 at 01:39 - 59

Additional mathmatical question ftw!...i see that linsey is viewing this thread as well :0

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

28 Aug 2009 at 01:40 - 60

One step closer to full hero parties (PvE).

Hopefully the next step will be new builds for PvE henchmen... and then going all the way and just raising the hero cap.

Darth The Xx

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2008

Sen'jin Village

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Mo/W

28 Aug 2009 at 01:47 - 61

So um I live in New Zealand, can I enter? don't see anything saying I can't but just making sure before i waste my time making some bars.

Chocobo1

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

New Zealand

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28 Aug 2009 at 01:53 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth The Xx

So um I live in New Zealand, can I enter? don't see anything saying I can't but just making sure before i waste my time making some bars.

I'm in New Zealand as well and entered. I mean, it's not like it took much of my time to do it considering the limited amount of skills that you can really use effectively in PvP anyway.

Dzjudz

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

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28 Aug 2009 at 01:54 - 63

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth The Xx

So um I live in New Zealand, can I enter? don't see anything saying I can't but just making sure before i waste my time making some bars.

Quote:

Originally Posted by contest rules

Entries will be accepted from legal residents of the United States (excluding the State of Rhode Island, Guam, Puerto Rico, U.S. territories, military installations and commonwealths), Canada (excluding Quebec) and Europe.

Seems like a no for you, sorry.

To everyone: when you submit a build, also place it on pvxwiki or something, so other people can't use it and you're the only one with it

.

Chocobo1

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

New Zealand

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28 Aug 2009 at 01:56 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dzjudz

Seems like a no for you, sorry.

To everyone: when you submit a build, also place it on pvxwiki or something, so other people can't use it and you're the only one with it

.

.... I can't submit a build because I'm not in those countries? Wow.

Eragon Zarroc

Atra estern?? ono thelduin

Join Date: Jan 2008

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28 Aug 2009 at 02:00 - 65

sooooo, what is considered a commonwealth?

"Four states in the United States officially designate themselves as "commonwealths":

Kentucky is designated a Commonwealth by the Kentucky Constitution and is known as the "Commonwealth of Kentucky."

Massachusetts is a Commonwealth, declaring itself as such in its constitution, which states that "The body politic is formed by a voluntary association of individuals: it is a social compact, by which the whole people covenants with each citizen, and each citizen with the whole people, that all shall be governed by certain laws for the common good."

Pennsylvania uses the "Commonwealth of Pennsylvania" as its official title.

Virginia has been known as the "Commonwealth of Virginia"[5] since before joining the United States.[1]

U.S. insular areas

"Commonwealth" is also used in the U.S. to describe the political relationship between the United States and the overseas unincorporated territories:

Commonwealth of the Philippines — formed in 1934, and became independent in 1946.

Puerto Rico — became a commonwealth[6] in 1952.

Northern Mariana Islands — became a commonwealth in 1978."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth#U.S._states

Skye Marin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

The Seraphim Knights [TSK]

E/A

28 Aug 2009 at 02:01 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coney

Also, this opens "unfavorable" advantages for winning the 20 EL tonics, to those owning 20-30+ accounts, giving an obvious edge over single account owners...

This is not necessarily true.

Remember that you need to have the skills on your bar to submit them. I can guarantee you that most if not all people with multiple accounts do not have them UAX with three chapters plus expansion.

You'll want the variety that each chapter brings to have a good shot at making the best builds for any profession.

Tomes won't work either, because you need to unlock the items anyways. If you want to invest in a skill pack just for this contest, well, that's your own prerogative.

Pony Slaystation

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2008

Cardboard Box

Guilds are irrelevant. This... is...... BUILD WARS!!!

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28 Aug 2009 at 02:07 - 67

Quote:

Originally Posted by tuna-fish_sushi

Lol Canadians are not allowed to win something by chance, so they give a small math test so they can say they won it using skill or logic.

Not to be racist, but what happens if they get the math question wrong? They are Canadians after all...
Kidding, but really, what happens if you got the question wrong?

El Presidente

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

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28 Aug 2009 at 02:15 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pony Slaystation

Not to be racist, but what happens if they get the math question wrong? They are Canadians after all...
Kidding, but really, what happens if you got the question wrong?

I think you meant get the answer wrong?

From the wiki link Martin posted:

"Anecdotally, getting the answer wrong is also often not an obstacle to claiming a prize".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skill_testing_question

Guess they can answer it wrong and still win...

Lishy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

28 Aug 2009 at 02:20 - 69

I can't enter T___T

Oh well... Also, hi Linsey!
I hope this is a step closer to customizable henchmen or 7 heroes

Jensy

Site Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2007

Phoenix, Arizona

Blinkie Ponie Armie [bpa]

N/Mo

28 Aug 2009 at 02:30 - 70

Yeah, I wonder what happens to the bars when stuff is mega buffed - OH SHIT - mega nerfed. Should be interesting *g*

Pony Slaystation

Krytan Explorer

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Guilds are irrelevant. This... is...... BUILD WARS!!!

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28 Aug 2009 at 02:38 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Kerstein

No, setting the right attributes is not necessary

On a similar note, will the henchmen have runes and insignias?

II Lucky Charm II

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

Seoul, Korea

Mo/Me

28 Aug 2009 at 02:45 - 72

When this update gets released. I give it 3 weeks before everyone in HA and GvG cry about it. Bad mistake.

Lishy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

28 Aug 2009 at 02:48 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by II Lucky Charm II

When this update gets released. I give it 3 weeks before everyone in HA and GvG cry about it. Bad mistake.

I give it 5 minutes after it goes live.
If someone could complain about GW2 not looking "pretty enough" right after the trailer, they can complain about henchmen

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

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28 Aug 2009 at 02:52 - 74

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc

sooooo, what is considered a commonwealth?

"Four states in the United States officially designate themselves as "commonwealths":

Kentucky is designated a Commonwealth by the Kentucky Constitution and is known as the "Commonwealth of Kentucky."

Massachusetts is a Commonwealth, declaring itself as such in its constitution, which states that "The body politic is formed by a voluntary association of individuals: it is a social compact, by which the whole people covenants with each citizen, and each citizen with the whole people, that all shall be governed by certain laws for the common good."

Pennsylvania uses the "Commonwealth of Pennsylvania" as its official title.

Virginia has been known as the "Commonwealth of Virginia"[5] since before joining the United States.[1]

U.S. insular areas

"Commonwealth" is also used in the U.S. to describe the political relationship between the United States and the overseas unincorporated territories:

Commonwealth of the Philippines — formed in 1934, and became independent in 1946.

Puerto Rico — became a commonwealth[6] in 1952.

Northern Mariana Islands — became a commonwealth in 1978."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth#U.S._states

No commonwealths means the second kind of commonwealth, not the first.

Anyway, will people please stop complaining or going "WHAT!?!" about the legal requirements? It's not A.net's fault if the laws in your country prohibit this.

Anyway, kinda cool contest with the rewards and all, so I'm sure I'll enter. At the same time... I don't see how getting rid of heroes from PvP but just replacing them with henchmen really helps. So you can still PvP with AI, just not AI that's TOO effieicent/customized to be used with your build. Seems like a middle ground that won't please anybody.

evenfall

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

28 Aug 2009 at 02:57 - 75

Where do people get the impression that the hero/henchman limit in HA and GvG will be be removed?
It will probably still be 2 for HA and 4 for GvG.
So it is just replacing flexible hero bars with fixed henchman skill bars that will be obsolete after a few major skill updates.

stretchs

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

Untimely Demise [Err了] - SOHK

28 Aug 2009 at 03:09 - 76

Blegh that content update every 3-4 months things seemed too good to be true when they promised it. Now it seems like we will be lucky to get one every 6mos if at all =\

That said, good to see the henchmen skill bar idea, but without them changing with the times they will be useless quickly if not completely from the word go. Not being able to customize the skillbar of your AI basically eliminates alot of people's ability to run degenerate builds... oh wait that is a positive, but it does keep some people from being able to gvg/ha because of lack of players effectively

MagmaRed

Furnace Stoker

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28 Aug 2009 at 03:30 - 77

I'm amazed that people aren't seeing what they are doing. You can submit a build based on current Meta, but if the Meta changes the build may not do any good. This means they want builds not based on Meta, but on GENERAL effectiveness. They are henchmen, so no skill micro, and no individual flags. They will be far less useful than a hero even with an identical build to a hero. Make the builds very general to fit into large variety of teams, and you will have a better chance at winning (in my opinion).

Daesu

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2008

28 Aug 2009 at 03:44 - 78

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagmaRed

I'm amazed that people aren't seeing what they are doing. You can submit a build based on current Meta, but if the Meta changes the build may not do any good. This means they want builds not based on Meta, but on GENERAL effectiveness. They are henchmen, so no skill micro, and no individual flags. They will be far less useful than a hero even with an identical build to a hero. Make the builds very general to fit into large variety of teams, and you will have a better chance at winning (in my opinion).

Which is why henchmen would still be useless in pvp. If their skill bar is too good people would bitch about it again, so their skill bars have to be bad enough that people dont bitch. If they are bad, then they are useless.

I dont see the point of using henchmen after getting rid of heroes. It is just busy work, creating something that nobody would use, unless he is a noob in the first place. If I cant get enough human players to form a full team, I would rather not GvG than to have my ass handed back to me, guaranteed, because of the lousy henchmen.

Good luck getting named after something that is going to be bad and useless.

Skye Marin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

The Seraphim Knights [TSK]

E/A

28 Aug 2009 at 03:49 - 79

I gotta say, I'm all for this.

Heroes in PvP only work well in limited situations, and work too well in a handful. Some are cheap, but as a whole, they don't provide much of a challenge. It's the same thing over if something works very well.

Tease, Tainted Flesh, Power Drain and others are used more effectively by Heroes than by Humans, so I'm strongly leaning towards the belief that bars with skill like these in them won't be picked. 20 prizes hints that there will be 1 hench of each profession for both GvG and HA. I'd imagine it would be something like this:

GvG

Warrior - Cripslash
Ranger - Burning Arrow / Interrupt
Elementalist - Ice Snare
Necromancer - Single-target Curse Hexes
Mesmer - Domination Resmer
Monk - WoH Monk
Assassin - Palm Striker
Ritualist - Weapon of Warding Resto Rit
Dervish - Featherfoot Wounding Scythe
Paragon - Incoming / hold your ground

HA

Warrior - Axe / Bull's Strike / BoA
Ranger - Incendiary Arrows / Apply Poison / Interrupt
Elementalist - Searing Flames
Necromancer - AoE Hexes
Mesmer - Illusion
Monk - Life Shealth + Divine Boon + Channeling
Assassin - Black Mantis Thrust, Fox Fangs, Death Blossom
Ritualist - Splinter Weapon/Ancestor's Rage/Offering of Spirit
Dervish - Sandshard / Heart of Fury / Wounding strike
Paragon - Burning Refrain / The power is yours / They're on fire

I'm also hoping that they refresh the builds more than just this one time, perhaps every 3 months. Skill updates do happen.

Endrance

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2009

[CK]

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28 Aug 2009 at 04:03 - 80

Damn, I just can't debate one thing with my current build I'm wanting to enter. Should I put a hard res on it? >:[