I have no desire to participate in the UWSC, I don't care that others do. Great keep driving down the prices of ecto and valuable drops, more in the market equals more availability for the masses.
If it needs to be nerfed, a simple method to at least limit the viability of the current SC team by increasing the number of dying nightmares and giving them Soulrending Shriek.
Best way to nerf UWSC?
BulletStopper
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Easy way : you do no damage under SF (including degen of course).
1) still exists for tanking
2) kills every solo farm (with sliver mostly)
1) still exists for tanking
2) kills every solo farm (with sliver mostly)
Targren
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I have no desire to participate in the UWSC, I don't care that others do. Great keep driving down the prices of ecto and valuable drops, more in the market equals more availability for the masses.
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http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tranquility
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2) Wand Tranq down.
3) Disrupting Dagger the new Tranq.
Problem solved. You've made players waste a skill slot that previously contained damage, assuming they cannot just wand down a new Tranq in time to refresh SF (which may obtain if only one critter in the mob has Tranq). This slows players down. It does not stop them.
madriel222
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Problem solved. You've made players waste a skill slot that previously contained damage, assuming they cannot just wand down a new Tranq in time to refresh SF (which may obtain if only one critter in the mob has Tranq). This slows players down. It does not stop them.
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Martin Alvito
Yes, slowing them down is the objective. But this works like a latent logit preference function - there's a tipping point at which it ceases to make sense to farm with SF, and we don't know exactly where that tipping point is. We know that it exists when it becomes more efficient to use something else to farm, but we aren't completely informed about the speed of the alternatives or the precise impact of any given change.
Yes, adding Tranquility would slow players down and may solve the problem. Or it may be as effective as nerfing Prot Bond was. People simply substituted to Prot Spirit and kept right on chugging along at little efficiency loss.
This isn't a situation where half measures are likely to work. The creative mechanics used in the Frostmaw run (let the SF die taking an aggro to open a kill window for the 605) should be sufficient to convince you that an SF's ability to bypass mobs is worth making numerous sacrifices to retain.
The mechanic is overpowered and needs to be addressed directly.
Yes, adding Tranquility would slow players down and may solve the problem. Or it may be as effective as nerfing Prot Bond was. People simply substituted to Prot Spirit and kept right on chugging along at little efficiency loss.
This isn't a situation where half measures are likely to work. The creative mechanics used in the Frostmaw run (let the SF die taking an aggro to open a kill window for the 605) should be sufficient to convince you that an SF's ability to bypass mobs is worth making numerous sacrifices to retain.
The mechanic is overpowered and needs to be addressed directly.
IronSheik
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1) Stand at the edge of Tranq's range. Refresh.
2) Wand Tranq down. 3) Disrupting Dagger the new Tranq. Problem solved. You've made players waste a skill slot that previously contained damage, assuming they cannot just wand down a new Tranq in time to refresh SF (which may obtain if only one critter in the mob has Tranq). This slows players down. It does not stop them. |
azizul1975
to answer topic : make SF end if the player attack or use attack skill. honestly it should have been for escaping purpose only....
tryptamine_xxp
hey al you ppl living of uwsc ever think that if it gets nerfed the price of ectos will sky rocket making your ecto stacks worth more? 
Elephantaliste
add a nasty environmental effect in HM.
QueenofDeath
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hey al you ppl living of uwsc ever think that if it gets nerfed the price of ectos will sky rocket making your ecto stacks worth more?
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QueenofDeath
Ahh the ole I know thousands of people that will quit if the nerf this or that. lol See it in every thread about SF and nerfing. lol Well let em quit those that cheat are probably those that grief as well. I've always heard if you cheat you'll lie and if you'll lie you'll steal and if you'll steal you'll eventually kill and if you kill well you don't deserve to be able to play any games. )
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Nuclfus
Pull a Smiter's Boon on SF already. Because it's already been shown in the past that if balancing a skill is really really hard, there's still the lazy option of pretending it doesn't exist.
Ccat
People who say they'll quit are complete liars. They probably think saying this over the internet (of all things) affects ANet and actually doing it even moreso, but it doesn't. There's more to PvE than farming, and they've already payed for the game. Not like it affects ANet in the slightest if people quit now, also, see liars.
every time a meta has been nerfed/deemed ineffective, there has been another after it. Move on.
every time a meta has been nerfed/deemed ineffective, there has been another after it. Move on.
MithranArkanere
Give Fingers of Chaos effects against all 10 professions, and drop Graps of Insanity here and there.
Against assassins, Fingers of Chaos would work like Illusionary Weaponry, for example.
Against assassins, Fingers of Chaos would work like Illusionary Weaponry, for example.
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The game was more enjoyable when they were worth more and didn't drop like candy from a Pinyata. Ahhh I loved the days of 30k +30hp mods and of course 80k to 100k Superior Vigor and Superior Absorbsion runes. 20k-30k for all the Superior Monk runes as the 55 was pretty much the sole soloing character at that time before the SF sin and the cheating 6 hero gamers. All things had good value in the good ole days. Today there's nothing of value left except torment and destroyer weapons and silly mini pets. You can get +30hp mods for 1k lol 1 silly farking k. Hilts and inscriptions are a dime a dozen except for a handful like that HSR mod for the offhand. Anet has built a childs toy of a game now. Everything drops from the ceiling of the game like candy from a Pinyata and the children gleefully charge in and greedily take advantage of it (playing SF sins and other solo gimmick builds). They turned what was suppose to be a skillful game into a romper room of diaper laden boys and girls going goo goo and gah gah and MINE! MINE! MINE!
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2. WALL OF TEXT.
3. Destroyer Weapons are worth like 25-35k.
4. This game is about skill, yes SF takes away some of that, but predominantly you are simply whining about people being able to buy what they want.
Kumu Honua
The solution is simple.
Disable the skill upon use like derv forms are disabled.
Disable the skill upon use like derv forms are disabled.
Short
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The solution is simple.
Disable the skill upon use like derv forms are disabled. |
x sithis x
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1. Don't use the same metaphor twice.
2. WALL OF TEXT. 3. Destroyer Weapons are worth like 25-35k. 4. This game is about skill, yes SF takes away some of that, but predominantly you are simply whining about people being able to buy what they want. Stfu tbh. |
2. stop trolling
3. 20-25k lol
4. stop troling & he/she isnt really whining about buying stuff they want ... he/she is saying that things used to actually have value instead of being practically threw away like toilet paper ... ive merched so many +30 mods its crazy ... i mean yeah i can sell for like for sitting in kamadan for a little or i can sell for like 200-400g to merch instantly
... they are just sayin when things dropped you actually made money ... instead of farming ecto for days for cash
QueenofDeath
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NO. The solution is to get rid of cons. You people are thick. Yes SF could do with a nerf but it does no harm as a tank/runner so why nerf it as them as well? Just make it not possible to deal damage when in it. They are outsped by Derv Runners and make fine tanks that can still be quite vulnerable in some areas.
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1. stop trolling 2. stop trolling 3. 20-25k lol 4. stop troling & he/she isnt really whining about buying stuff they want ... he/she is saying that things used to actually have value instead of being practically threw away like toilet paper ... ive merched so many +30 mods its crazy ... i mean yeah i can sell for like for sitting in kamadan for a little or i can sell for like 200-400g to merch instantly ... they are just sayin when things dropped you actually made money ... instead of farming ecto for days for cash |
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Vdawg1337
Remove uw, I mean how many times does greneth have to have his realm cleaned out.
Arcole
I don't know if its been said but sig of disenchantment for banished dream riders
BTW: Who decided to bring up this old thread, it had been dead for ~ 15 days
BTW: Who decided to bring up this old thread, it had been dead for ~ 15 days
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