Confirmation that the Live Team is going after SF this year

Lol hurd of SY? /sigh

The obvious fact that the skill is totally broken when possible to be maintained was obvious just right after the buff update. They should have nerfed it back immediately and admitted that it was a mistake, but instead they did the Ursan thing again and let it run for a year and a half... so huge player masses got used to it as something normal.

When fixing obviously broken things SPEED matters.

Isn't that the perfect $$$ decision?
1. Ursan is the only way to go. What's that? You wanna go DoA? Do you have R10 Norn and R8 Lightbringer? No? Then gtfo.
Solution: buy EOTN if you still wanna do high end pve.
2. Shadowfarm become the new ursan, UWSC hits the fan. Do you have a sin and all the required skills from other campaigns? No? Then gtfo.
Solution: buy more GW.

I thought they said they weren't touching the skill itself anymore?

Could this possibly mean they are changing the areas in which they are abused?

We'll see if they actually get time to find a solution - there's a big difference between "being on the list" and actually "being done."

I haven't read through the whole thread, but I did catch that someone surmized that it was the ecto farmers (read: SF permas) that "inflated" the value of certain rare items (read: BDS', Silverwings, and other dungeon end-chest rewards) by having the ectos with which to pay such high prices. Using the SF-influence logic as a basis for explaining the economy of such items - doesn't it follow then that without SF there will be presumably less ectos and end-chest rares, so that those rares will then be more rare and worth more ecto? Furthermore, less ecto will drive up the cost for ecto which will make the ecto cost for such rare items even more expensive? Maybe my logic is totally flawed, and there are certain presumptions being made, but basically doesn't that mean that the death of SF-perma farming will mean even more to power-sellers? Even if balanced and 600/smite teams (or some other new gimmick that we do not yet now of) take the place of SF-perma farming, it's doubtful UWSC/FOWSC will be done in 15 min as it is now, nor will dungeons be "ran" in such a short time, so less runs/clears = less rares/ectos.

Meh, dunno but I'm glad I don't rely on my sin for anything other than keg farming..oh wait, err..for nothing now lol.

Its Anet Marketing
it's a pretty simple scenario

Think of it like this (using trade chat really)

Anet: WTS New campaign (Factions) With two near useless classes
Response: ..........

Anet : Wts New Campaign + Ultimate farming skill
Response: OMG BUY BUY BUY

It'll still be as rare as ever, but people will have less money now. Which means, everything will scale down, e.g. if something was worth 30 ectos and it goes down to 20 ecto, it'll still taking as long time to get the ectos, it's just a smaller number.

Hope you get it. :P

Actually don't care I used it to feather farm thats about it. Ok couple 5-10 ectos in tomb but thats it honest engine.

I have moved on to a different class and build that is more fun farming different things solo. I cannot devulge do to possbility of it being nerfed

Anybody can tell that perma-sins are dominating the "elite" PvE areas of the game and it's so bad that they become the focus of many teams.

While I expect that ArenaNet is going to nerf the "perma" aspect of Shadow Form, the idea that it will "fix" things in Guild Wars is truly ridiculous. All this will do is push the game into a new meta. The game has had no new skills in over two years. Despite that we have a static skill set, the game is still vastly unbalanced years later. Some of this is because ArenaNet "fixes" some bad skills by completely rewriting how they work, and this allows people to abuse them in a new mechanic.

Yes, you are exactly right. Spot on.

The only thing I'd like to add is "All this will do is push the game into a new meta." -> "All this will do is push the game into a new BORING meta."

Cuz, let's face it. Anyone still playing this game is basically farming, whether they know it or not. Perma and team builds based around it (and also to an extent, 600s) are basically the only fun builds left to play in this game.

I don't agree with that at all. I've always enjoyed getting an actually balanced team together to play and hopefully(at least for a little while) getting rid of perma SF sins will open the door to more balanced teams again. I miss the days of taking hours to do DoA and UW and stuff, soooooo much more fun than all these dumb speed clears.

Could'nt have put it any better myself. ^^

Manlyspikes = new speed clear for everyone's information.

You do realize that no matter how slow you do it, it's still technically farming? Once you've done an area once, everything that follows is, by definition, farming. SF nerf will just push obby flesh back into the meta, and elite area times will be about the same as they were before. Back on page 3(i think) i had a big post about what will happen once it's nerfed, and frankly it isn't that big of a change. It will just make eles the tanking/farming class again, with an incredibly powerful sliver armor and MORE survivability.

Recap:
Anyone who thinks an SF nerf will bring back balanced teams is deluding themselves. Wave goodbye to sins and say hello to eles.

Manlyspikes have already been used in every area it's actually possible to use them in. Urgoz, DoA, Kath, FoW, Bogroots...probably forgetting something. However, it probably wouldnt be possible in UW, and it would be much slower than other options

I'm curious as to what will happen, Will it be a change for the good and bring back balanced teams to the elite area's? Or will most players simply wait for the next farming meta and begin a new cycle of abuse?

Idea's?

They'll get rid of scrolls for entering UW and FoW and charge "a large sum of money" per person to enter either place per visit.

However, Mesmers can get in for free.

ITT: Monks lol'ing at permas

TBH, I'm somewhat sad since I just got into the uwsc scene..but guess what? Time to work on my monk, or get ready for uwsc ritway.

i play the occasional AB, RA, random pve mission, and some gvg. i turn all the luxon/kurzick faction i have into materials, leave after every RA match whether i have a good group or not. i do pve missions purely to play with my friends who can't pvp well. lastly, i gvg because i enjoy it.

what am i farming? unless you believe you can actually farm FUN, then i guess i'm not farming anything now, am i?

if that's the cause, please retract your last statement. it is incorrect.

No matter how you put it, it's still "technically" farming. You may ejoy gvg, but it's still "technically" farming balth faction. I love fow, but it's still farming

if i'm playing not to explicitly gain faction, then i am not farming. with your logic, you might as well classify exercising as farming oxygen. after all, exercise makes you breath faster, and more oxygen to be "farmed".