)What is to be the fate of the titles associated with the events slated for removal?
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If i am 2 points from a title and it gets removed, i would be a bit disgruntled at best...
HB/TA Removal Set for This Week!
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Question for Regina: (or Gaile )
What is to be the fate of the titles associated with the events slated for removal?
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If i am 2 points from a title and it gets removed, i would be a bit disgruntled at best...
)What is to be the fate of the titles associated with the events slated for removal?
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If i am 2 points from a title and it gets removed, i would be a bit disgruntled at best...
Keyez
Finally it is confirmed. At last PvE'ers can get back to the PvE grind, and stop congesting the servers.
Kc Quipor Ultra
Question to all devs from arena net
Will the haloween update in the same update as the remove of HB ? (so haloween this week ingame ? )
Will the haloween update in the same update as the remove of HB ? (so haloween this week ingame ? )
Aljasha
great, thanks for the update again and i am kinda thrilled to test sealed deck with friends/guildies.
i know i am one of anets biggest critic, but i just want to tell you guys, you do a really good job at keeping your game alive and interesting.
i know i am one of anets biggest critic, but i just want to tell you guys, you do a really good job at keeping your game alive and interesting.
Aera
That's funny. TA is going to be removed but no complaints about TA are mentioned, just the stupid RR exploiters.
*sigh*
Farewell good old Team Arenas.
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What happens to the Gladiator title btw, can it only be acquired through RA then? There's no way I'm going to get my final 600 points for my G9 in RA.
*sigh*
Farewell good old Team Arenas.
*EDIT*
What happens to the Gladiator title btw, can it only be acquired through RA then? There's no way I'm going to get my final 600 points for my G9 in RA.
Jeydra
This is so going to be one of the most disappointing updates ever, way more disappointing than the worst skill balance changes. After the outcry over keeping both TA and HB, ANet goes ahead and removes them, what the heck.
Sheesh.
Sheesh.
DreamRunner
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Originally Posted by Aera
That's funny. TA is going to be removed but no complaints about TA are mentioned, just the stupid RR exploiters.
*sigh* Farewell good old Team Arenas. *EDIT* What happens to the Gladiator title btw, can it only be acquired through RA then? There's no way I'm going to get my final 600 points for my G9 in RA. |
If only Anet actually did something with TA, it could have become something really good. I just need 160 left for my G6, I might as well just keep on doing RA until I do it and quit.
Eliz Genevieve
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This is so going to be one of the most disappointing updates ever, way more disappointing than the worst skill balance changes. After the outcry over keeping both TA and HB, ANet goes ahead and removes them, what the heck.
Sheesh. |
They wouldn't go back on their word because of a bunch of HB lovers.
sLiceR
whats a whinner? the fusion of a winner and whiner?
that was a quality post tbh
that was a quality post tbh
axe
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That's funny. TA is going to be removed but no complaints about TA are mentioned, just the stupid RR exploiters.
*sigh* Farewell good old Team Arenas. *EDIT* What happens to the Gladiator title btw, can it only be acquired through RA then? There's no way I'm going to get my final 600 points for my G9 in RA. |
I dont necessarily disagree with you though but maybe this new format will be similar, I remember how dissapointed I was when Anet did the 6v6 HAweekend and then just INSTANTLY came to the conclusion that "6v6 is better" because of how many districts were there (double fame) they never even asked the community, they just changed it, so I imagine your frustration.
Here is to hoping that SD will be in the same ballpark as the "ideal" TA format and I am sorry that TA was a casualty of the epic fail that was Hero Battles, using that Dev. time on TA instead of HB would have been a much better use.
Sankt Hallvard
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Actually I would assume to see more sync teams in RA now.
If only Anet actually did something with TA, it could have become something really good. I just need 160 left for my G6, I might as well just keep on doing RA until I do it and quit. |
PS. I can guarantee you that sync teams will pop up like toadstools.
moriz
there are already a ton of sync teams. i might just have horrible luck, but every time i RA, the opposing team has an 75% chance of having a monk (while i don't have one) and have a 50% chance to have a fully synergized build (while i have something random, like three rangers and a melee rit).
QueenofDeath
Here's the 64 million dollar question now. When you win 10 battles in a row in RA what's going to happen? Are you going to be thrown back into the RA join area or get to continue until you lose? I think being able to continue until you lose will cause major problems then in RA as sync teams will be hard to beat out by random groups thus going from one mole hill to another with problems with arenas and exploiting them.
Jeydra
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that outcry didn't work. HB and TA were dead, and have been wanted to be removed for at least one year. When Anet finnally takes an official stand 'bout it, whiners com in doing what they do best: whining.
They wouldn't go back on their word because of a bunch of HB lovers. |
FREDtheDINOSAUR
According to Gaile, support plans on banning. To what extent, it's unclear, but she made comments about being heavy handed against the few they catch (and said she already knows of 1 permanent ban.
It seems that Anet is going to make an example of a few RRers and leave the rest alone...which is a horrible idea.
I'll link/quote the comment she made on GWW about this as soon as I get to a computer. I'm on my cellphone right now.
EDIT: At this point, she's made several comments about banning, so I will link them on the OP. Please look there for them.
It seems that Anet is going to make an example of a few RRers and leave the rest alone...which is a horrible idea.
I'll link/quote the comment she made on GWW about this as soon as I get to a computer. I'm on my cellphone right now.
EDIT: At this point, she's made several comments about banning, so I will link them on the OP. Please look there for them.
Gun Pierson
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Originally Posted by FREDtheDINOSAUR
she already knows of 1 permanent ban.
I'll link/quote the comment she made |
Looking forward to the quote.
My New Name
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great, thanks for the update again and i am kinda thrilled to test sealed deck with friends/guildies.
i know i am one of anets biggest critic, but i just want to tell you guys, you do a really good job at keeping your game alive and interesting. |
anets biggest critic and keeping the game alive in the same post...
where were you last 2 years?
@ OP:well was about time they promised it months ago...
now economy won't suffer horribly at least...
so when can we expect SF nerf?
Windf0rce
Good news, curious to see what becomes of RA after 10 wins, HA enabling, max Balthazar faction, and Sealed Deck obviously.
Even if Sealed Deck doesn't come out yet, at least this will kill the pathetic RR day.
Even if Sealed Deck doesn't come out yet, at least this will kill the pathetic RR day.
FREDtheDINOSAUR
The quotes and links of Gaile's response to concerns over RR day bans has been added to the OP.
It is an interesting conversation and I recommend that all of you follow the link and read the questions/responses.
Still amazed that none of this is coming from Regina (although, in this case, I understand it since bans are a support question).
It is an interesting conversation and I recommend that all of you follow the link and read the questions/responses.
Still amazed that none of this is coming from Regina (although, in this case, I understand it since bans are a support question).
Little O B S I
Bring on the wall!!
HawkofStorms
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I would like to see Anet keep HB for 1 more RR day, but change it so both teams show up as red; obviously this can not work in the long term because of logistics and issues with the minimap, etc, but it would still be nice just to hear the cheaters moan and complain about something else before HB goes for good.
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Person who loads on the North/West side of the map resigns.
Person who loses Rock Paper Scissors resigns.
The "solution" to RR is to make the quest not repeatable or have such a high requirement (10 wins instead of 2) that it becomes unproductive.
Again, HB isn't being removed because of RR. It is being removed because it sucks and is unpopular.
Jeyda, the proof is, in the original post saying they were going to get rid of HB and TA, Regina posted server side statistics showing that TA and HB were the 2 least played PvP formats in the entire game. Any given week, about 40 times as many RA games were played compared to HB (again, a statement from Regina's original post a month or two ago). They sucked. They were unpopular ghost towns. You can't deny that. That is a FACT. Not a made up "I believe it so it must be true" fact. A fact, backed by statistics.
Also, to all the "why isn't A.net CR team doing a better job announcing this?" All the people who actually cared about playing HB and TA, not just exploiting it for RR, (which is an INCREDIBLY SMALL portion of the community) have been aware of the pending update for at least a month. The fact that most people don't know about it, doesn't matter. Most people don't care. Think of the holiday events. "Where do I get my hat?" every 30 seconds. No matter how much info A.net releases, the people who don't really play that often aren't going to be kept informed. Only the diehards know information ahead of time, but only diehard fans even really care about TA or HB.
DreamWind
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I'm sure ANet learned from the VoD abuse along with its removal and will continue to implement necessary changes to prevent the abuse of gameplay in any shape or form.
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That's funny. TA is going to be removed but no complaints about TA are mentioned, just the stupid RR exploiters.
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Nobody has seen Sealed Deck yet, its possible that its just like TA, but with the lame removed?
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I remember how dissapointed I was when Anet did the 6v6 HAweekend and then just INSTANTLY came to the conclusion that "6v6 is better" because of how many districts were there (double fame) they never even asked the community, they just changed it, so I imagine your frustration.
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Here is to hoping that SD will be in the same ballpark as the "ideal" TA format and I am sorry that TA was a casualty of the epic fail that was Hero Battles, using that Dev. time on TA instead of HB would have been a much better use.
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Cracko
Oh wow, banning people for participating in RR day, has anet gone bat insane?
"When the law no longer represents the people, the people aren't wrong, the law is."
How in earth could they make the connection with SCAMMERS and RRers.
The most loving and honest people in know in GW have played RR, as they saw no harm in it. How are we supposed to know it's illegal? We'd have to check Gaile Grey's talk page and see if it has been discussed, communication with the players is KEY in making a great game.
You could've put up an announcement saying it is illegal but nooo, we'll keep it down so people can still do it, but we'll ban them for it after there's no more RR days.
/rant
"When the law no longer represents the people, the people aren't wrong, the law is."
How in earth could they make the connection with SCAMMERS and RRers.
The most loving and honest people in know in GW have played RR, as they saw no harm in it. How are we supposed to know it's illegal? We'd have to check Gaile Grey's talk page and see if it has been discussed, communication with the players is KEY in making a great game.
You could've put up an announcement saying it is illegal but nooo, we'll keep it down so people can still do it, but we'll ban them for it after there's no more RR days.
/rant
Vazze
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Vazze
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Regina posted server side statistics showing that TA and HB were the 2 least played PvP formats in the entire game. Any given week, about 40 times as many RA games were played compared to HB (again, a statement from Regina's original post a month or two ago).
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Sarevok Thordin
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Oh wow, banning people for participating in RR day, has anet gone bat insane?
"When the law no longer represents the people, the people aren't wrong, the law is." How in earth could they make the connection with SCAMMERS and RRers. The most loving and honest people in know in GW have played RR, as they saw no harm in it. How are we supposed to know it's illegal? We'd have to check Gaile Grey's talk page and see if it has been discussed, communication with the players is KEY in making a great game. You could've put up an announcement saying it is illegal but nooo, we'll keep it down so people can still do it, but we'll ban them for it after there's no more RR days. /rant |
Anet would be crazy to start banning people left and right in this situation. I too know alot of very happy people that went ahead and did it given there was no big notice about it once it got into full swing, even now there is no ingame notice, how is anyone that doesn't visit the wiki/forums know what the stance is on this, they see a herd and just go running along with it.
FREDtheDINOSAUR
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I agree, this went on for MONTHS and Anet didn't do anything about it, basically saying "Ok go ahead". Compare this to the far crazier duping incident, they curbed that quite quickly compared to this.
Anet would be crazy to start banning people left and right in this situation. I too know alot of very happy people that went ahead and did it given there was no big notice about it once it got into full swing, even now there is no ingame notice, how is anyone that doesn't visit the wiki/forums know what the stance is on this, they see a herd and just go running along with it. |
HOW were people who don't gnome the wiki (like me) or people who don't constantly check the forums supposed to know this was wrong? There was no dishonor system to prevent it and there was no in-game information OR EVEN official journal information condemning it.
You can't just swing the ban-hammer now and assume that people were aware of what they were doing. YOU DIDN'T TELL THEM!
BlackSephir
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The most loving and honest people in know in GW have played RR |
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a) oblivious, lack common sense b) dishonest
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FREDtheDINOSAUR
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Are you honestly trying to say you people didn't know it was a god damn exploit? There's only 2 possibilities:
a) oblivious, lack common sense b) dishonest It's in EULA. |
To comment #2 - And how many of them do you think have read the EULA? Have you?
BlackSephir
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How were they supposed to know it was match manipulation and could lead to ban?
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Mangione
I didn't participate in RR.
It was too good to be true, and if something is that good it is cheating or a scam.
Maybe it's just my (un)common sense, but I saw it as an exploit as soon as I heard about it.
Then Gaile clearly stated that RR is match manipulation.
QFT.
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It's a comparison that can't stand.
Match manipulation is different from using gimmicky builds to win pve areas, does this need to be even explained?
It was too good to be true, and if something is that good it is cheating or a scam.
Maybe it's just my (un)common sense, but I saw it as an exploit as soon as I heard about it.
Then Gaile clearly stated that RR is match manipulation.
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Are you honestly trying to say you people didn't know it was a god damn exploit? There's only 2 possibilities:
a) oblivious, lack common sense b) dishonest It's in EULA. |
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To comment #1 - They knew it was an exploit BUT so is Speed Clearing dungeons, SF farming, etc. (and Anet has said it too). How were they supposed to know it was match manipulation and could lead to ban? (unless they caught the 2 comments on 2 obscure pages on GWW or buried in a forum here).
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Match manipulation is different from using gimmicky builds to win pve areas, does this need to be even explained?
own age myname
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I don't know, maybe from the fact that they were MANIPULATING THE OUTCOME OF THE MATCH?
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Cracko
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I didn't.
It's in EULA. |
BlackSephir
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Because the common GW player (were talking about just the average joe who PUGs and stumbles across RR day in AC) are conscious on what they are doing?
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Seriously, go ask a doctor.
own age myname
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Brain-dead people shouldn't be playing GW anyway.
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Cracko
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Brain-dead people shouldn't be playing GW anyway.
So? There's a lot in EULA that hasn't been posted in the announcements. Doesn't mean it's unimportant. |
but you dont care, youre too smart to fall in the grasps of RR day anyway.
FREDtheDINOSAUR
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I don't know, maybe from the fact that they were MANIPULATING THE OUTCOME OF THE MATCH?
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No, but that's only because I'm smarter and prettier than them, plus I have lots and lots of COMMON SENSE which prevents me from doing stupid shit like this and even if I wanted to do some stupid shit I'd make sure they've got nothing on me.
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And where is common sense supposed to come in? There was NOTHING to prohibit this in-game, therefore people can not be held accountable for doing it. Common sense occurs when you do something and a response occurs teaching whether or not to do it again. Well, this went on for months with no reaction. How were they supposed to learn?
If they ban, they will have a whole lot of support tickets saying "I didn't know that was wrong." And what can Anet say to that? It was in the EULA and on 2 obscure wiki pages? That's just not fair.
Sarevok Thordin
Remember:
This went on for MONTHS and it only caught hold big time when the Sealed Deck announcement went up (including HB's removal).
No login-announcement, no Dishonor (This could have prevented the ENTIRE THING), no nothing went into the game to stop it, it was just left to fester for a couple of weeks and the thing spiralled out of control when news got out to the big PvE alliances.
Anet should take it in their stride as a wakeup call to better remain in contact with the players. Even the wiki-page took ages to get feedback about the practice and given the potential (and executed) actions of players anyone could have given a response in 10 seconds if it was ok or not.
This went on for MONTHS and it only caught hold big time when the Sealed Deck announcement went up (including HB's removal).
No login-announcement, no Dishonor (This could have prevented the ENTIRE THING), no nothing went into the game to stop it, it was just left to fester for a couple of weeks and the thing spiralled out of control when news got out to the big PvE alliances.
Anet should take it in their stride as a wakeup call to better remain in contact with the players. Even the wiki-page took ages to get feedback about the practice and given the potential (and executed) actions of players anyone could have given a response in 10 seconds if it was ok or not.
BlackSephir
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omfg, if you care about your players, you put up an announcement for that
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Ask a lawyer if agreeing to a document without reading it first is wise.
Actually, you can ask anyone sane and the answer will be the same.
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You didn't RR, I didn't RR, many others didn't RR. It's common sense.
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Draikin
As far as I know nobody has been banned for match manipulation at this point and it's highly unlikely to happen. Support never punished match manipulation in HB no matter what happened, they aren't going to start now. Most people figured that out long ago and it's one of the reasons RR was so successful. It's not that people "didn't know" about it (which is no excuse anyway), they just knew Anet would ignore them.