Wintersday Workshop
GeminiJuSa
@Minami: I don't really know what you should aim for in the BG, I think the snow flakes are cute, but I'm not good with festive myself.
I think - if you want some composition crits - cut the edges kinda close to them you'd give them a "bigger" look as you also can increase the size of the pic showing more detail. The mini version shown here is not very true to all the work you've put onto it. It's fine to put the light behind the characters as it will slightly take the focus off the "border decorations" and aim slightly more towards the character's themselves.
Also, I think slightly more prominent shadows under then will make it slightly more, I dunno but better
Use the method like so:
http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs51/f/20...ZicToXemia.jpg
ignore the horrible colour composition and motive and just look at the shadow. i used a medium opacity and a fairly big brush for that one. Using a grey hue would probably distinguish their shadows more from the shadow of the snow.
It's only my opinion. Though :P You use it if you want.
I think - if you want some composition crits - cut the edges kinda close to them you'd give them a "bigger" look as you also can increase the size of the pic showing more detail. The mini version shown here is not very true to all the work you've put onto it. It's fine to put the light behind the characters as it will slightly take the focus off the "border decorations" and aim slightly more towards the character's themselves.
Also, I think slightly more prominent shadows under then will make it slightly more, I dunno but better
Use the method like so:
http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs51/f/20...ZicToXemia.jpg
ignore the horrible colour composition and motive and just look at the shadow. i used a medium opacity and a fairly big brush for that one. Using a grey hue would probably distinguish their shadows more from the shadow of the snow.
It's only my opinion. Though :P You use it if you want.
Evangelin
@Chyminy:Thanks =) for this one i used super sculpey over a wire armature...i normaly work with a simple wooden sculpting tool and fingers =)) and shes going to be about 25 cm (about 10 inches)
@Minami: Thanks! I also really like ur entry its super cute! My sculpt is from super sculpey and i probably wont paint it just spray paint with white i think...not sure yet lol...
@Minami: Thanks! I also really like ur entry its super cute! My sculpt is from super sculpey and i probably wont paint it just spray paint with white i think...not sure yet lol...
Chyminy Riquet
Chyminy Riquet
In response to Blue's Critique:
1)corrected perspective of pillars
2)fixed blocky face (I think)
3)added some subtle atmospheric perspective to the figure. Not sure if I'm totally convinced on this one since it is such a short distance Also, since most atmospheric perspective is due to dust or mist in the air and the current precipitation is snow I'm not sure it will play much of a role. But here it is anyhow so let me know what you guys think. Does it add more depth?
4) Tried to pull the bow towards her by moving it to the right. I didn't think turning the plane of the bow towards (approaching parallel to) the picture plane would have fixed the problem since it would have looked like she was shooting her own foot.
5) Added some atmospheric perspective to the pillars, wreath, and bow. This toned down some of the highlights and cooled down some of the warmer colors like the red bow. Also reduced the value of some of the larger snowflakes to prevent distracting the eye. My larger concern is not the light values themselves but rather that the light values aren't paired with dark values which would create bullseyes to attract the eye. I'll save that for the centers of interest.
A word about the composition and design. It is roughly triangular with 3 centers of interest that Blue adeptly pointed out: The present, the figure, and the grentchie with the blue eyes. To draw the eyes to the present I used contrasting colors (red and green) rather than contrasting values. The eyes of the grentchie on his comparatively darker face created a strong value contrast. The main figure also displays a large value contrast (another reason I'm hesitant to add atmospheric perspective to the figure because it would blunt the value contrast). But the figure is also popping with warm tones against the cooler background.
Thanks again Blue for your well thought out critique. I'm very appreciative that you would take the time.
1)corrected perspective of pillars
2)fixed blocky face (I think)
3)added some subtle atmospheric perspective to the figure. Not sure if I'm totally convinced on this one since it is such a short distance Also, since most atmospheric perspective is due to dust or mist in the air and the current precipitation is snow I'm not sure it will play much of a role. But here it is anyhow so let me know what you guys think. Does it add more depth?
4) Tried to pull the bow towards her by moving it to the right. I didn't think turning the plane of the bow towards (approaching parallel to) the picture plane would have fixed the problem since it would have looked like she was shooting her own foot.
5) Added some atmospheric perspective to the pillars, wreath, and bow. This toned down some of the highlights and cooled down some of the warmer colors like the red bow. Also reduced the value of some of the larger snowflakes to prevent distracting the eye. My larger concern is not the light values themselves but rather that the light values aren't paired with dark values which would create bullseyes to attract the eye. I'll save that for the centers of interest.
A word about the composition and design. It is roughly triangular with 3 centers of interest that Blue adeptly pointed out: The present, the figure, and the grentchie with the blue eyes. To draw the eyes to the present I used contrasting colors (red and green) rather than contrasting values. The eyes of the grentchie on his comparatively darker face created a strong value contrast. The main figure also displays a large value contrast (another reason I'm hesitant to add atmospheric perspective to the figure because it would blunt the value contrast). But the figure is also popping with warm tones against the cooler background.
Thanks again Blue for your well thought out critique. I'm very appreciative that you would take the time.
Evangelin
@Chyminy: Yea its a wire twisted around itself and then you make a stickman sort of. And i put a brass tube in one leg so it can be inserted on the wooden base. (i hope that made sense lol)
This is a pix of how the armature looked before. (theres tape over the wire)
This is a pix of how the armature looked before. (theres tape over the wire)
Funeral Rites
Think the deer is too creepy??
http://i47.tinypic.com/2wf4nrb.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/2wf4nrb.jpg
Chyminy Riquet
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Originally Posted by Evangelin
@Chyminy: Yea its a wire twisted around itself and then you make a stickman sort of. And i put a brass tube in one leg so it can be inserted on the wooden base. (i hope that made sense lol)
This is a pix of how the armature looked before. (theres tape over the wire) Yes! Thanks so much for sharing. I'm looking forward to seeing more steps.
This is a pix of how the armature looked before. (theres tape over the wire) Yes! Thanks so much for sharing. I'm looking forward to seeing more steps.
Tzu
wow Chyminy, that looks *much* better, great progress!
And I can't wait to see that sculpture Evangelin, that's certainly original!
Looks great so far, I really like her proportions, and her tummy looks... so real! O.o'
And I can't wait to see that sculpture Evangelin, that's certainly original!
Looks great so far, I really like her proportions, and her tummy looks... so real! O.o'
Tommy's
As my studying drained all my inspiration I decided to give the colouring a try. Went better then I expected. Noticed that shadows can be alot darker then I thought, as you can see on Hailfall ops: Will give her some darker shadows later. All subjects to experiment
Anyway here is colouring on Chicken of the Seas and Hailfall. Hope you like it. Don't know if I'm gonna keep the boots of Chicken this way, I find them rather ugly :?
Hope people like 'm (specially chicken and shala ofcourse )
Anyway here is colouring on Chicken of the Seas and Hailfall. Hope you like it. Don't know if I'm gonna keep the boots of Chicken this way, I find them rather ugly :?
Hope people like 'm (specially chicken and shala ofcourse )
Hailfall
Haha i love this Tommy ^^
Eragon Zarroc
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Originally Posted by Funeral Rites
Chyminy Riquet
Shewmake
@Chyminy: I really like the angle & setting you chose!
@Crucist: I think the boots look cool!
@Evangelin: Great job on the details; I agree with Tzu-- her stomach looks real!
@Funeral Rites: Like Eragon said, you should add the roller beetle too :P; as for the deer, are you trying to make it a norn form by having the humanoid body? Great job on the papercrafts!
@Crucist: I think the boots look cool!
@Evangelin: Great job on the details; I agree with Tzu-- her stomach looks real!
@Funeral Rites: Like Eragon said, you should add the roller beetle too :P; as for the deer, are you trying to make it a norn form by having the humanoid body? Great job on the papercrafts!
zidane888
Sleigh Jacking :
Eragon Zarroc
Nice Zidane! very awesome
although it feels like the focus is on the entire left-side of the pic and the right feels strangely empty...idk ;-) just rambling
p.s. i want a flying polar bear with a shiny red nose
although it feels like the focus is on the entire left-side of the pic and the right feels strangely empty...idk ;-) just rambling
p.s. i want a flying polar bear with a shiny red nose
Tommy's
You have your very own style zidane. And I love it!
Great chance on falling into the prices again!
Great chance on falling into the prices again!
Dyeane
Ok, finally done with exams and home for the holidays
Everyone's entries are looking great! I am especially interested in seeing how Tzu's costume turns out. Your level of dedication and craftsmanship is admirable!
Here's what I'm working on:
The 2nd image is all blurry because it's still stuck in its jar.. I couldn't find a jar large enough, so it's sealed itself to the bottom! He was really just supposed to be a test run, but I've grown rather fond of him, and even if he isn't quite contest material I'd hate to shatter him
Everyone's entries are looking great! I am especially interested in seeing how Tzu's costume turns out. Your level of dedication and craftsmanship is admirable!
Here's what I'm working on:
The 2nd image is all blurry because it's still stuck in its jar.. I couldn't find a jar large enough, so it's sealed itself to the bottom! He was really just supposed to be a test run, but I've grown rather fond of him, and even if he isn't quite contest material I'd hate to shatter him
Minami
@ Dyeane, that is so cool! Reminds me of chemistry class experiments years ago Except that that was with something blue...
@ Chyminy, your pic looks so much better after you retouched it following Blue's suggestions!
@ Zidane, awesome pic! I want that shiny nosed polar bear! ^_^
I can't wait to see everyone's finished work!
Well, this is as far as I got with my pic...
I dunno what else to do
@ Chyminy, your pic looks so much better after you retouched it following Blue's suggestions!
@ Zidane, awesome pic! I want that shiny nosed polar bear! ^_^
I can't wait to see everyone's finished work!
Well, this is as far as I got with my pic...
I dunno what else to do
tmakinen
Minami, in my opinion the lights look somehow cheap and crude when compared to the sweet and detailed avatars, and as such they distract rather than add to the image. Something like a wreath pattern around the edges would produce a visually much more attractive frame and if you then draw a branch of mistletoe hanging from the top it will add to the story and people who spot it will laugh out loud when they understand what will happen after the avatars have traded gifts
Morag D
I HAVE FINISHED!!
sorry about the preview thingy, I'm just making sure that no one will nick it
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@ Minami: I agree with tmakinen, the lights distract from your wonderful image a bit. I think a big part of you background problems comes from the wide crop. You could crop away a lot of the white stuff and focus your scene at the same time - don't be afraid to crop out little parts of your figures as well! Maybe a bit like that?:
sorry about the preview thingy, I'm just making sure that no one will nick it
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@ Minami: I agree with tmakinen, the lights distract from your wonderful image a bit. I think a big part of you background problems comes from the wide crop. You could crop away a lot of the white stuff and focus your scene at the same time - don't be afraid to crop out little parts of your figures as well! Maybe a bit like that?:
Widowmaker
Minami: I have to agree with the above comments. You've obviously put a lot of work into the figures that such a flat background does them little justice. I wouldn't suggest anything too detailed though as they need to stay the focus.
Morag: You might want to try adding a very subtle warming of the colours around the handshake to draw the eye to it. Just a tiny amount will be enough to really cement that as the focal point.
Quick poke about to elaborate what I mean:
Morag: You might want to try adding a very subtle warming of the colours around the handshake to draw the eye to it. Just a tiny amount will be enough to really cement that as the focal point.
Quick poke about to elaborate what I mean:
Minami
Thanks guys!
Your suggestions would fix the problem I've been seeing, thanks so much ^_^
I'll get to it asap
@ Morag: Owoooh... soo awesome!
Your suggestions would fix the problem I've been seeing, thanks so much ^_^
I'll get to it asap
@ Morag: Owoooh... soo awesome!
Morag D
@ widowmaker: you are sooooo right! Thanks a ton!
@ minami: thanks!
new version:
@ minami: thanks!
new version:
Eragon Zarroc
very awesome morag love it <3
Tzu
wowsy, Zidane, I LOVE your textures! XD
And thanks, Dyeane. What exactly did you make the frost effect on your snowman of? It's brilliant, looks so real! o.O' And can you take it out of the jar, etc? Your project looks really interesting, got me really curious. :3
Minami, I agree with what everyone else have said, somewhat. I think your background/frame looks really cute, but it's true that it doesn't do your characters much justice in that case. And I wonder what's in Grenth's gift??? D8
Morag D, FANTASTIC artwork, so incredibly inspired and stylish and original, and the theme is just perfect! Widowmaker's idea made it perfect in my opinion, I've no CC for you! XD
And thanks, Dyeane. What exactly did you make the frost effect on your snowman of? It's brilliant, looks so real! o.O' And can you take it out of the jar, etc? Your project looks really interesting, got me really curious. :3
Minami, I agree with what everyone else have said, somewhat. I think your background/frame looks really cute, but it's true that it doesn't do your characters much justice in that case. And I wonder what's in Grenth's gift??? D8
Morag D, FANTASTIC artwork, so incredibly inspired and stylish and original, and the theme is just perfect! Widowmaker's idea made it perfect in my opinion, I've no CC for you! XD
KiyaKoreena
@ Dyeane. It looks to me like a salt or sugar crystal figure (am I wrong?), so couldn't you just put a little bit of hot water in the bottom to loosen it up? Just like a mm or two to work it away. I wouldnt try rocking the figure to get it off the bottom, maybe once you dissolve a little of the very bottom you could take a pair of chopsticks and tape a short length of fishing line or dental floss to the very tips (tied and duct taped to be secure). Put the tips down to the very bottom of the jar and loop it under the feet into the dissolved groove. Maybe a little sawing motion with help lever it slightly away from the jar bottom or you can loop it and use the sticks/string to focus the pressure to that area where you want it to break instead of higher up the figure.
Widowmaker
Happy to help.
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Originally Posted by Tzu
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And I wonder what's in Grenth's gift??? D8
Look on his face, something verrrrry cheap.
Minami
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Originally Posted by Widowmaker
Happy to help.
Look on his face, something verrrrry cheap.
And veeery tiny O_o
My original idea was that Grenth was gonna give that teeny tiny present, and Dwayna would be giving him a huge one, so big that she would've been standing in front of it, and as tall as she is.
But I love the mini Dhuum ^_^
Look on his face, something verrrrry cheap.
And veeery tiny O_o
My original idea was that Grenth was gonna give that teeny tiny present, and Dwayna would be giving him a huge one, so big that she would've been standing in front of it, and as tall as she is.
But I love the mini Dhuum ^_^
Dzjudz
Okay, here a first look at my new project.
Idea: Dwayna down the rabbit hole
As I said before, I'm a novice at all of this (always a good excuse for terrible work ). Anyway, I've been experimenting a bit with vectors in photoshop and this is what I got so far.
As I hope you can see, it's a drawing of Dwayna at the famous rabbit valley in eotn. Down in the valley you can see santa with a tree. All of this is obviously not finished.
I also wanted to ask some advice. I'm going for a cartoony look. I was wondering how to illustrate the path and the walls. Any suggestions on how to do this? I'm using Photoshop CS4 by the way.
P.S. At least it's better than my previous stick figures .
Idea: Dwayna down the rabbit hole
As I said before, I'm a novice at all of this (always a good excuse for terrible work ). Anyway, I've been experimenting a bit with vectors in photoshop and this is what I got so far.
As I hope you can see, it's a drawing of Dwayna at the famous rabbit valley in eotn. Down in the valley you can see santa with a tree. All of this is obviously not finished.
I also wanted to ask some advice. I'm going for a cartoony look. I was wondering how to illustrate the path and the walls. Any suggestions on how to do this? I'm using Photoshop CS4 by the way.
P.S. At least it's better than my previous stick figures .
tmakinen
Dzjudz, in my opinion this is a much better idea than the first one, and it's funny and original as well.
If you have trouble visualizing the environment then it might be a good idea to go to the place in game, take some nice screenshots and use those as a reference. Should help a lot since the perspective is somewhat challenging.
While we all know that it's a trap, you could underline the fact by making Grenth take a sneak peek from under the hood as he waits for the descending Dwayna. Another possibility would be to draw the scene from the perspective of Grenth (since it's his trap after all) and put Grenth on the foreground, facing camera, rubbing his hands in evil anticipation while we see Dwayna walking down the slope with rabbits at the background. That would provide a more dramatic setting and you would have both characters facing the camera instead of the other way round.
Edit: also, that way you could make Grenth an active participant of the scene, as he could, e.g., be making wintersday gifts with 'unusual' contents (see Nightmare Before Christmas).
If you have trouble visualizing the environment then it might be a good idea to go to the place in game, take some nice screenshots and use those as a reference. Should help a lot since the perspective is somewhat challenging.
While we all know that it's a trap, you could underline the fact by making Grenth take a sneak peek from under the hood as he waits for the descending Dwayna. Another possibility would be to draw the scene from the perspective of Grenth (since it's his trap after all) and put Grenth on the foreground, facing camera, rubbing his hands in evil anticipation while we see Dwayna walking down the slope with rabbits at the background. That would provide a more dramatic setting and you would have both characters facing the camera instead of the other way round.
Edit: also, that way you could make Grenth an active participant of the scene, as he could, e.g., be making wintersday gifts with 'unusual' contents (see Nightmare Before Christmas).
Dzjudz
Ah yes, I didn't mention that I was planning on making a 4-part comic again. This is only the first of the four screens. (Oh man what have I gotten myself into, even this one only has taken me a lot of time already ). The (un?)expected Grenth revelation (I know everyone sees it coming) is planned for the third screen. The second screen shows Dwayna about halfway down, following the first rabbit, and with several hints that she's walking into a trap. The fourth screen will show a victorious Grenth and a captured Dwayna.
Dyeane
@Tzu & Kiya
Borax crystals, actually They form faster than salt/sugar. It's supposed to come out of the jar but it's stuck! I added way too much borax to the water, I guess! I was so paranoid about not adding enough, heh.The hot water thing maaaay work to loosen it, but there's soo much borax layered at the bottom I'm not sure if it'll be effective. I'm definitely going to try that though.
I want to make a few more, but I ran out of white stems! I thought it'd only take a couple to make a figure, but it takes like 5. I need to go get more.
Borax crystals, actually They form faster than salt/sugar. It's supposed to come out of the jar but it's stuck! I added way too much borax to the water, I guess! I was so paranoid about not adding enough, heh.The hot water thing maaaay work to loosen it, but there's soo much borax layered at the bottom I'm not sure if it'll be effective. I'm definitely going to try that though.
I want to make a few more, but I ran out of white stems! I thought it'd only take a couple to make a figure, but it takes like 5. I need to go get more.
KiyaKoreena
I never heard of using that before. I need to try it!
tmakinen
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Originally Posted by Dzjudz
I know everyone sees it coming
I think that this is the problem. A good story in 3 or 4 frames consists of introduction, punchline (unexpected turn of events) and denouement (look at that last year's polar bear comic to see what I mean). You are giving away the punchline on the first frame and the last three are just a very drawn out denouement that is boring because it is completely unnecessary - everything was already revealed in the first frame! Less is more, never add more stuff than is needed to make your case. The idea that you have can be expressed in just one frame and that way you'll spare a lot of work and the end result will be more to the point and thus better as well.
Edit: if you absolutely insist on doing a 4 frame strip with the given idea, then you should not reveal that the events happen in the infamous rabbit hole before frame #3, preferrably not before the last frame. Expand your story so that the first two frames contain an introduction, like Dwayna walking through the forest, noticing a little rabbit freezing in the snow. She decides to help and make the rabbit warm and when the rabbit has thawed it leads Dwayna down to the hole, apparently asking her to help other poor rabbits as well. The punchline (we see the familiar rabbit hole with an obvious Grenth in disguise) can be put to the last frame because the outcome is so obvious that it can be left for the reader to figure out.
Now, for something completely different, I'm also preparing an official contest entry. I won't be submitting the project to this workshop but as a long time guru member I'll give you a sneak peek of one of the stop motion puppets that I've made (BTW, my avatar is also a puppet of my own making). I figured out that I can't lose with this work - even if ANet doesn't think highly of my work I'll still have the puppets
Edit: if you absolutely insist on doing a 4 frame strip with the given idea, then you should not reveal that the events happen in the infamous rabbit hole before frame #3, preferrably not before the last frame. Expand your story so that the first two frames contain an introduction, like Dwayna walking through the forest, noticing a little rabbit freezing in the snow. She decides to help and make the rabbit warm and when the rabbit has thawed it leads Dwayna down to the hole, apparently asking her to help other poor rabbits as well. The punchline (we see the familiar rabbit hole with an obvious Grenth in disguise) can be put to the last frame because the outcome is so obvious that it can be left for the reader to figure out.
Now, for something completely different, I'm also preparing an official contest entry. I won't be submitting the project to this workshop but as a long time guru member I'll give you a sneak peek of one of the stop motion puppets that I've made (BTW, my avatar is also a puppet of my own making). I figured out that I can't lose with this work - even if ANet doesn't think highly of my work I'll still have the puppets
Tzu
Inde & Arenanet have decided to donate 1 code for Grenth's Regalia, and 1 code for Dwayna's Regalia to the Wintersday Workshop!
I will need the rest of the day to discuss where these glamorous prizes shall be placed, or if I need to make a new award entirely, with the other Judges (specifically Zholn Cherub as he is the only other judge, except me, who will be a judge for all the awards and in turn is not legible for any, to avoid bias). If you have some input or ideas, feel free to share, though the final descision will rest on the two of us.
No idea what I'm talking about? Check out this update & the new Costumes!
I will need the rest of the day to discuss where these glamorous prizes shall be placed, or if I need to make a new award entirely, with the other Judges (specifically Zholn Cherub as he is the only other judge, except me, who will be a judge for all the awards and in turn is not legible for any, to avoid bias). If you have some input or ideas, feel free to share, though the final descision will rest on the two of us.
No idea what I'm talking about? Check out this update & the new Costumes!
stouda01
Name: Stouda Cz
Idea: Grentch in snowball fight
Genre: Illustration
I didn't really find time to continue on this lately but i hope that changed with holidays .) Grentch is still far from finished and also i haven't really figured out the background yet
Idea: Grentch in snowball fight
Genre: Illustration
I didn't really find time to continue on this lately but i hope that changed with holidays .) Grentch is still far from finished and also i haven't really figured out the background yet
Morag D
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Originally Posted by Tzu
I want!
Minami
After trying several suggestions, this is what I figured...
No matter how nice & detailed I make the xmas lights, it's not gonna look good. Even with opacity down and colors faded it takes away too much from the scene itself. So I dropped that idea.
Tried drawing a wreath border, turned out to be a disaster. I think I found my "why do I have such a hard time drawing this simple thing" thing... It looked like twig worms with green growths. >_<
I thought this part was gonna be easy
This is my latest try... What do you guys think?
No matter how nice & detailed I make the xmas lights, it's not gonna look good. Even with opacity down and colors faded it takes away too much from the scene itself. So I dropped that idea.
Tried drawing a wreath border, turned out to be a disaster. I think I found my "why do I have such a hard time drawing this simple thing" thing... It looked like twig worms with green growths. >_<
I thought this part was gonna be easy
This is my latest try... What do you guys think?
Widowmaker
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Originally Posted by Tzu
Someone is going to happy with those prizes.
KiyaKoreena
I like that much better Minami.
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Status update: Working on more ornaments (non skill ones, still cant find the parts I finished for the two monk ones.) Sorry no pictures, husband hasnt brought the camera back from work yet.
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Status update: Working on more ornaments (non skill ones, still cant find the parts I finished for the two monk ones.) Sorry no pictures, husband hasnt brought the camera back from work yet.