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UWSC Nerf and Anet's "Progress"

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Joe Fierce
Joe Fierce
Wilds Pathfinder
• #81
WHAAAAA SF NEEDS TO BE NERFED!!

WHAAAAA SF GOT NERFED FOR UW!!



This is all I see. Stop crying. I like what I've seen with the "new" six hundred build that's currently emerging, but it's currently kindof off, it needs some work.

Quit trying to simulate izzy's job by saying this or that should or shouldn't be nerfed, punt the box over to the other side of the room, come up with something new, and become a god damned innovator for once, think of something new. Guild Wars hasn't gone to shite, it's aged beautifully, it's players have gone to shite, I remember the days in which a nerf meant thinking of a new way to do it, not crying, and hell, sometimes we even came up with new ways of doing it even before t'was nerfed. Learn from your predecessors.
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Funk ee Monk ee
Frost Gate Guardian
• #82
Best post regarding UWSC I've ever seen Joe Fierce. Kudos!
Joe Fierce
Joe Fierce
Wilds Pathfinder
• #83
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Originally Posted by Funk ee Monk ee View Post
Best post regarding UWSC I've ever seen Joe Fierce. Kudos!
There's a reason I've been around so long and have such a low post count my friend, it's this crazy little thing I like to call thinking before posting.
reaper with no name
reaper with no name
Desert Nomad
• #84
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Originally Posted by Sora of the Divine View Post
Just a random collection of thoughts I had while skimming this thread:

Disclaimer: I am in no way, shape, or form condoning the use of Shadow Form.
1) SF is not the only way to complete the UW.
2) There are so many players who think they're amazing at this game and are against the use of SF. Certainly more than enough that if you wanted to, you could all get together and play through the UW normally. It is a forum, after all. Be semi-social.
3) I've seen many people say that they're in it for the good gameplay, not the gold. Taking into consideration my previous thought and how active some GWG players seem to be, it shouldn't be hard at all to create a group of like-minded players to complete UW the "fun" way "for the sake of gameplay." Unless you're all lying and actually care about the gold, nothing is being taken away from you through other players' use of SF. Grow up, quit acting self-righteous and expecting everything to be handed to you on a silver platter, and make some use of your available player resources.
4) Even if SF is hurting your ability to join PuGs, many of the people I've talked to who have complained about SF are the same people who've complained to me about how bad PuGs were long before SF was originally buffed. Many of you wouldn't have gone through an elite area with PuGs even with god mode skills, let alone normally.

In short, if all of the QQers really are as concerned about the quality of their personal gameplay as they seem, they'd use their available resources to enjoy themselves and not try to impose their own ideals on people who want to rush through these areas.

You're missing the point. Godmode simply should not exist. And if it does, it certainly should not be limited to one class. It should either be equally available to everyone (and before people mention Ursan; it did not do this; in fact it did the opposite, since ranger and warrior ursans were better than other ursans in every single way), or be available to no one.
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Crippie its Tom
Frost Gate Guardian
• #85
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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce View Post
WHAAAAA SF NEEDS TO BE NERFED!!

WHAAAAA SF GOT NERFED FOR UW!!



This is all I see. Stop crying. I like what I've seen with the "new" six hundred build that's currently emerging, but it's currently kindof off, it needs some work.

Quit trying to simulate izzy's job by saying this or that should or shouldn't be nerfed, punt the box over to the other side of the room, come up with something new, and become a god damned innovator for once, think of something new. Guild Wars hasn't gone to shite, it's aged beautifully, it's players have gone to shite, I remember the days in which a nerf meant thinking of a new way to do it, not crying, and hell, sometimes we even came up with new ways of doing it even before t'was nerfed. Learn from your predecessors.

If that was at my original article, then read it please. If it was at the 6ish pages of QQ, then I generally agree with you.
Joe Fierce
Joe Fierce
Wilds Pathfinder
• #86
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Originally Posted by Crippie its Tom View Post
If that was at my original article, then read it please. If it was at the 6ish pages of QQ, then I generally agree with you.
Yessir. Indeed.
Caligo
Caligo
Ascalonian Squire
• #87
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Originally Posted by reaper with no name View Post
You're missing the point. Godmode simply should not exist. And if it does, it certainly should not be limited to one class. It should either be equally available to everyone (and before people mention Ursan; it did not do this; in fact it did the opposite, since ranger and warrior ursans were better than other ursans in every single way), or be available to no one.
Hmmm... I seem to remember that after the initial buff (with the pve/vp split) that any class could maintain sf. Even when it was 'balanced' again to shorten the duration, it was still possible to maintain on an x/A, provided you had the +1 attributes from grail and a misc personal consumable. It's still possible now with even more personal cons, but it's to the point that if you get the least bit of lag, you're a goner. Either way, if they were to restore it to not being 'limited to one class', it would still be more Q.Q and 'unfair'.
reaper with no name
reaper with no name
Desert Nomad
• #88
You misunderstand. I'm not saying that godmode is okay for everyone. I'm saying that what's even worse than the existence of godmode is for only one class to have it, because then it's both hideously broken and unfair, instead of just hideously broken.
DreamWind
DreamWind
Forge Runner
• #89
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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce View Post
This is all I see. Stop crying. I like what I've seen with the "new" six hundred build that's currently emerging, but it's currently kindof off, it needs some work.

Quit trying to simulate izzy's job by saying this or that should or shouldn't be nerfed, punt the box over to the other side of the room, come up with something new, and become a god damned innovator for once, think of something new. Guild Wars hasn't gone to shite, it's aged beautifully, it's players have gone to shite, I remember the days in which a nerf meant thinking of a new way to do it, not crying, and hell, sometimes we even came up with new ways of doing it even before t'was nerfed. Learn from your predecessors.
There is something called balance. If a game is not balanced, the people have a right to complain or else they will leave. "Coming up with something new" does not cut it when in PvE something is clearly superior and there is no reason to play anything else and in PvP you have no choice but play a certain build or you get rolled.
Joe Fierce
Joe Fierce
Wilds Pathfinder
• #90
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Originally Posted by DreamWind View Post
There is something called balance. If a game is not balanced, the people have a right to complain or else they will leave. "Coming up with something new" does not cut it when in PvE something is clearly superior and there is no reason to play anything else and in PvP you have no choice but play a certain build or you get rolled.
Guildwars is one of the most balanced MMOs I've ever seen, yet people complain about the balance of it more than any other MMO I've seen.

That's when you make a better build, afterall is that not what pvp is about when coupled with tactics?
reaper with no name
reaper with no name
Desert Nomad
• #91
To be fair, better builds don't always exist.

And I hope GW is not one of the most balanced. With classes stepping on each other's toes right and left and godmode available, I shudder to think about what other MMOs' balance must be like.
Lishy
Lishy
Forge Runner
• #92
DreamWind
DreamWind
Forge Runner
• #93
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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce View Post
Guildwars is one of the most balanced MMOs I've ever seen, yet people complain about the balance of it more than any other MMO I've seen.
I disagree. But either way we aren't talking about balanced MMOs, we are talking about balanced games in general. Guild Wars had potential that it never met due simply to balance issues.

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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce
That's when you make a better build, afterall is that not what pvp is about when coupled with tactics?
Of course, but when there is a skill or build that:

a. Dominates the metagame
b. Makes the game simply unfun

Then the company has to do something about it. If it comes down a battle of "play that build or bring a counter to that build" then the company has to do something about it.

In the case of PvP, this has been happening since Nightfall. In the case of UWSC, it dominates anything else being played there and dominates assassins. It also makes the game unfun for everybody else who realizes that there are people with an invincible skill who are more efficient than just about anything else they can come up with.
X Dr Pepper X
X Dr Pepper X
Frost Gate Guardian
• #94
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Originally Posted by DreamWind View Post
There is something called balance. If a game is not balanced, the people have a right to complain or else they will leave. "Coming up with something new" does not cut it when in PvE something is clearly superior and there is no reason to play anything else and in PvP you have no choice but play a certain build or you get rolled.
Guildwars is one of the most balanced MMOs I've ever seen, yet people complain about the balance of it more than any other MMO I've seen.

That's when you make a better build, afterall is that not what pvp is about when coupled with tactics?
This thread is not about pvp. This thread is about ANet's extremely slow half assed progress to nerf SF. And pvp is not ruled by any one gimmick build but rather a consistency in teamwork and individual skill where balanced builds can beat any gimmick. Mind blast ele is better than a Melshot ranger for midline dmg support now, but a good player can overcome obstacles as well as a great team.

Also complain away. Its human nature to complain and to try and change things for the better. Dont let some arrogant guy troll you and hide behind his keyboard and attempt to silence you.
q
qvtkc
Wilds Pathfinder
• #95
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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce View Post
Guildwars is one of the most balanced MMOs I've ever seen, yet people complain about the balance of it more than any other MMO I've seen.

That's when you make a better build, afterall is that not what pvp is about when coupled with tactics?
Yes, because everyone knows that there are have never been overpowered gimmick builds in PvP.
Joe Fierce
Joe Fierce
Wilds Pathfinder
• #96
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Originally Posted by qvtkc View Post
Yes, because everyone knows that there are have never been overpowered gimmick builds in PvP.
Yes, because everyone knows this thread is about PvP in the first place.

But, I don't feel like a prick and not responding to you in a more intelligent way, so I'm not going to simply leave it at that, I'll go on to say "Balanced will beat gimmick. And honestly, if you're the first person doing something overpowered, it's not a gimmick to you, you're just running a overpowered build you found, now get out there and find the next overpowered thing, that's what the point of the game is"
DreamWind
DreamWind
Forge Runner
• #97
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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce View Post
Yes, because everyone knows this thread is about PvP in the first place.

And honestly, if you're the first person doing something overpowered, it's not a gimmick to you, you're just running a overpowered build you found, now get out there and find the next overpowered thing, that's what the point of the game is"
Until you realize that everybody and their mother is running the same build because there is nothing better. This works in both PvE and PvP.
byteme!
byteme!
Forge Runner
• #98
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Originally Posted by DreamWind View Post
b. Makes the game simply unfun
You can use any argument you want but for crying out loud DO NOT use the word fun or unfun. It's clearly subjective and a personal preference. The way you phrased it made it sound like you were passing it off as fact. Shadowform is NOT fun?? Good for you. Don't speak on my behalf please. (not that I said SF is fun but don't speak for me regardless)
DreamWind
DreamWind
Forge Runner
• #99
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Originally Posted by byteme! View Post
You can use any argument you want but for crying out loud DO NOT use the word fun or unfun. It's clearly subjective and a personal preference. The way you phrased it made it sound like you were passing it off as fact. Shadowform is NOT fun?? Good for you. Don't speak on my behalf please. (not that I said SF is fun but don't speak for me regardless)
Fine. Replace the word unfun with the word stale.
Joe Fierce
Joe Fierce
Wilds Pathfinder
• #100
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Originally Posted by DreamWind View Post
Until you realize that everybody and their mother is running the same build because there is nothing better. This works in both PvE and PvP.
No, it's because people SETTLE, not that they "realize there is nothing better" my current main guild, we do balanced builds, that are generally faster and more reliable than the gimmicks for doa and such. So, lol.