With the demise of UW, FOW is now the next target to be hit. Shard prices are spiraling out of control downwards. Times are 13-15minutes to clear an elite area! Elite areas should take at least 30mins!
We need a new holiday questline that introduces Balthazar's Champions... Paragons (very fitting with fow) and has Anthem of Disruption. Other skill ideas: "You're all alone!" which would reinforce teamplay... Fear me/None shall pass for pure annoyance.
Or just simply made the Tower Mage take damage when hit.
The FOW Problem
optymind
Malice Black
Elite areas should take hours, but that doesn't go with the GW mind frame these days.
upier
It's funny because some of us said that's exactly what would happen.
Abedeus
Anthem of Disruption is useless. They can't hit what you can't hit. Yeah.
Fixing SF would be still better.
Fixing SF would be still better.
Latham
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
Elite areas should take hours, but that doesn't go with the GW mind frame these days.
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You honestly don't need a new quest line, the problem is SF.
Reflect
SF
Shadow Form
Swine Flu ...
Shadow Form
Swine Flu ...
mathiastemplar
Leave as it is... q_q theads won't help...
Personally Idc.. 20 mins SC is fine.. If you dislike SC, just use oldschool teams..
Did you complain about FoWsc before UW was nerfed? NO...
Stop it...
gg
Personally Idc.. 20 mins SC is fine.. If you dislike SC, just use oldschool teams..
Did you complain about FoWsc before UW was nerfed? NO...
Stop it...
gg
Eragon Zarroc
They made RoJ scatter enemies which screwed with the original SC. You must now wait a year before they make another simple nerf that can be worked around . Sorry 
Reformed
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Originally Posted by upier
It's funny because some of us said that's exactly what will happen.
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Originally Posted by Abedeus
Anthem of Disruption is useless. They can't hit what you can't hit. Yeah.
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Abedeus
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Originally Posted by Reformed
Anthem of Disruption doesn't need to hit to interrupt. That doesn't just mean SF, obstruction doesn't stop the effect either.
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Then again, it would piss off also normal players.
Symeon
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Originally Posted by mathiastemplar
Leave as it is... q_q theads won't help...
Personally Idc..(Note: poster actually does care as he doesn't want his beloved SC to be nerfed.) 20 mins SC is fine.. If you dislike SC, just use oldschool teams.. Did you complain about FoWsc before UW was nerfed? NO... Stop it... gg (Summary: DUN LIKE IT DUN USE IT) |
I expect if ANet responds at all they will waste more of their time fiddling with each elite area in turn rather than resorting to the obvious solution.
Arduin
3 hours for an elite area sounds about right. The thing is, a lot of people aren't playing those elite area's anymore, they are farming them.
Reformed
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Originally Posted by Symeon
People have always complained about any elite area being completed in less than half an hour...
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Azure Requiem
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
Elite areas should take hours, but that doesn't go with the GW mind frame these days.
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If fow and uw saved progress I would agree to this. But dcing or people up and leaving can make an entire group waste time this way. That is a flaw in gw game design though, instanced areas are nice, but inability to replace a dcer /leaver sucks.
Arduin
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Originally Posted by Azure Requiem
If fow and uw saved progress I would agree to this. But dcing or people up and leaving can make an entire group waste time this way. That is a flaw in gw game design though, instanced areas are nice, but inability to replace a dcer /leaver sucks.
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leaver - voteban from Alliance.
Seriously, if you want to come and complete this area, and it has been stated it takes ~3hrs, stay with the party for 3hrs or don't bother to come.
Of course, sometimes people are forced to leave because their cat just ate their goldfish, but that doesn't happen very often, does it?
Azure Requiem
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Originally Posted by Arduinna
dcer - Reconnect function.
leaver - voteban from Alliance. Seriously, if you want to come and complete this area, and it has been stated it takes ~3hrs, stay with the party for 3hrs or don't bother to come. Of course, sometimes people are forced to leave because their cat just ate their goldfish, but that doesn't happen very often, does it? |
Sword Hammer Axe
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Originally Posted by Reflect
SF
Shadow Form Swine Flu ... |
Silly Fart
and so on
Get my point? XD
Little O B S I
Make Shadow Form a stance.
Winterclaw
Shard prices were inflated for too long, it's about time they went back down.
Phineas
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Originally Posted by Arduinna
dcer - Reconnect function.
leaver - voteban from Alliance. Seriously, if you want to come and complete this area, and it has been stated it takes ~3hrs, stay with the party for 3hrs or don't bother to come. Of course, sometimes people are forced to leave because their cat just ate their goldfish, but that doesn't happen very often, does it? |
OT: Paragons are not a Core class, and I am sure I've read before where ANet want FoW to be as Core as possible. So.. we're back to looking for new 'monster skills' (which are broken imo).
Kc Quipor Ultra
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Originally Posted by reflect
sf
shadow form swine flu ... |
AKB48
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Originally Posted by mathiastemplar
Leave as it is... q_q theads won't help...
Personally Idc.. 20 mins SC is fine.. If you dislike SC, just use oldschool teams.. Did you complain about FoWsc before UW was nerfed? NO... Stop it... gg |
Never underestimate the will of the hardcores to drive the price of everything into the billions and then the trillions so they will be the only ones left with things to "show-off" to us "noobs". People will always btch about SF, that, is a given truth, you fix FoW, they btch about something else, you fix that, they continue to btch and btch. It's like a kid who will only stop crying when he's got everything he wanted. So don't expect these btching to stop anytime soon, or later, for that matter. Go ahead, btch and flame, but guess what? Don't think Mommy Anet is gonna give you what you want, kids.
paddymew
Ensure that all party members can use a summoning stone each, and it will probably make more people form player teams :/
Abedeus
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Originally Posted by AKB48
Never underestimate the will of the hardcores to drive the price of everything into the billions and then the trillions so they will be the only ones left with things to "show-off" to us "noobs". People will always btch about SF, that, is a given truth, you fix FoW, they btch about something else, you fix that, they continue to btch and btch. It's like a kid who will only stop crying when he's got everything he wanted. So don't expect these btching to stop anytime soon, or later, for that matter. Go ahead, btch and flame, but guess what? Don't think Mommy Anet is gonna give you what you want, kids.
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I never had billions or trillions. The most I have ever had was about 300k, and even I think it's very little. I just know things are bad for the game the way they are.
You know how to fix UW, FoW and everything else revolving SF? Nerf SF. Or reverse it to the way it was before. Status quo will work better than anything A.Net is going to throw.
jonnieboi05
Yep. I was one of the people who also believed FoWsc was next after UW finally got "fixed". It's only natural- take away something and the QQ-crowd goes to the next best thing. Sadly, farmers will be farmers.
~LeNa~
Golgotha
lol
The never-ending nerf cryfest. GWG's specialty.
The never-ending nerf cryfest. GWG's specialty.
BlueXIV
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Originally Posted by Phineas
Depends... How many goldfish have you got?
OT: Paragons are not a Core class, and I am sure I've read before where ANet want FoW to be as Core as possible. So.. we're back to looking for new 'monster skills' (which are broken imo). |
Death's Charge and Starburst says hi
Bob Slydell
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Originally Posted by Reflect
SF
Shadow Form Swine Flu ... |
RotteN
Look, the problem with all these area's was/is shadow form. If you "solve" the Shadow Form problem, you'll solve everything.
I'm not advocating to nerf shadow form into oblivion. Apparently, there is a fanbase that enjoys grinding for loot as much and as fast as possible. You shouldn't take all the toys of that fanbase away. However, right now, the skill's just too good in too many places. So toning it down is actually feasible.
I'm not advocating to nerf shadow form into oblivion. Apparently, there is a fanbase that enjoys grinding for loot as much and as fast as possible. You shouldn't take all the toys of that fanbase away. However, right now, the skill's just too good in too many places. So toning it down is actually feasible.
Zahr Dalsk
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Originally Posted by Latham
Takes just under an hour to clear FoW with a balanced team build in Hard Mode.
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Because the latter was a terrible sort of cancer all of its own. It was like Shadow Form except instead of "You must play Assassin," it was "you must play one of these few classes and something derivative of this build."
Abedeus
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
By balanced do you mean balanced as in a varied team or balanced as in the shitty W+E+Mo+N gimmick commonly referred to as "Balanced"?
Because the latter was a terrible sort of cancer all of its own. It was like Shadow Form except instead of "You must play Assassin," it was "you must play one of these few classes and something derivative of this build." |
Still, I think the holy trinity you were refering to was crappy. Solid, but slow and ineffective when compared to the really balanced team - physical way, for instance.
snowman relic
ok we will solve all problems right now everyone who complains about ectos and crap prices cuz of Sc go to a online store and buy the crap if u such winy little B******* that you cant let any1 else have fun its not your own personal game if u dont like it either stop playing or ignor it
Bryant Again
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It's funny because some of us said that's exactly what will happen. |
Fay Vert
If only there was one skill they could just balance to solve all these excessive farming problems...
Yawgmoth
Whenever there will be an area worth doing there's SF that will own it. What most intelligent people understanding the game's mechanics knew mere days (or even minutes) after the ridiculous buff is the truth that one skill that absurdly overpowered is able to ruin the entire game. 1 single skill is a problem and a fix is so simple.
Ninja Ninja
Its no debate that SF has turned titles like master of the north from how many dungeons you need to beat into how many assassin runs you need.
Arduin
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Originally Posted by the western warrior
ok we will solve all problems right now everyone who complains about ectos and crap prices cuz of Sc go to a online store and buy the crap if u such winy little B******* that you cant let any1 else have fun its not your own personal game if u dont like it either stop playing or ignor it
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Also, this debate is not about the ectoez
Fril Estelin
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Originally Posted by Fay Vert
If only there was one skill they could just balance to solve all these excessive farming problems...
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Game Design is indeed fun
.OT: As many said, it's an arms' race. But farmers are chasing an invisible chicken.
Azure Requiem
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Then there are the ones saying stuff like, "I can't play the game because I am not running a sin with shadowform". I play just fine on any my characters with friends and have fun doing so. I also pointed out with so many seeming like minded people, I fail to see how not being able to form groups with like minded people is anything but unwillingness to put the effort in.
The counter to this is, "even if we did it wouldn't be as efficient." So what? If you are playing and enjoying the game what does it matter if one group's fun is more efficient than your group.
Then there are the people that are upset because it makes hardmode / dungeons / elite areas doable quickly. Counter to this is how horrible rewards get the longer it takes to finish unless you get lucky on end chest drop.
Meh, would adding a time stamp to end chest from entering the area make this group happy? Each end chest's loot gets better the longer it takes to finish the objective to spawn it. (with a set time for optimal clear break off point decided by I guess Anet on how long it should take)
Anything Anet does will make some mad, and some happy. The whining wont stop, it will just be a different group complaining. And the cycle starts again.
Loot Junkie
I remember way back in the day I teamed up with ShadowspawnX and some other friends of his and we cleared FoW twice in the same day. It made me feel like a god. I wish this game still provided that same sense of accomplishment, but it got watered down with OP crap bigtime.