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Originally Posted by Symeon
Has anyone else noticed the announcement of the update on the login screen? An interesting development, particularly after the communication failures over the Halloween quests.
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Update 11/19/09
Arduin
Xenomortis
Me and a group of people have just been through the UW in NM.
We're currently standing around the in the Hall of Judgment, waiting for the red bar to fill. It's about half way now.
That's right, standing. We killed Dhuum ages ago.
Are we supposed to be able to kill him?
We're currently standing around the in the Hall of Judgment, waiting for the red bar to fill. It's about half way now.
That's right, standing. We killed Dhuum ages ago.
Are we supposed to be able to kill him?
bodyboarder
mini smite crawler finally the mini i want arrives 
Xenomortis
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Originally Posted by Xenomortis
Me and a group of people have just been through the UW in NM.
We're currently standing around the in the Hall of Judgment, waiting for the red bar to fill. It's about half way now. That's right, standing. We killed Dhuum ages ago. Are we supposed to be able to kill him? |
Finished.
This is was an interesting concept - the idea of a long endurance battle with a boss that you couldn't easily kill, except it's at the end of a series of quests that takes a good while for a balanced team to power through without making any mistakes and you can kill him fairly quickly, which means you end up waiting 20 minutes for the chest to appear.
It needs some refining I think.
Regina Buenaobra
Hey all. I know you're concerned about the SF issue, so we talked to the devs about what their goals were so we could convey that to you. I just posted about the SF issue here.
evilseabass
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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra
Hey all. I know you're concerned about the SF issue, so we talked to the devs about what their goals were so we could convey that to you. I just posted about the SF issue here.
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The Drunkard
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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra
Hey all. I know you're concerned about the SF issue, so we talked to the devs about what their goals were so we could convey that to you. I just posted about the SF issue here.
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shoyon456
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Originally Posted by evilseabass
bout damned time...
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Still, I can't understand why in the month before the next skill update they're allowing permasins to have even MORE expensive items to farm for. Maybe not as fast, but after some refining and practice I'd say that most will be making roughly the same amount by selling the new minis and scythe.
IronSheik
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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra
Hey all. I know you're concerned about the SF issue, so we talked to the devs about what their goals were so we could convey that to you. I just posted about the SF issue here.
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draxynnic
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Originally Posted by toocooltang
If you really want to make UW a little bit harder for SF groups you should have updated the fingers of chaos skill and add those monsters as pop ups to the underworld in addition to the skeletons. Would have been much easier to do imo. http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Fingers_of_chaos
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
But they did plan on henchmen, or they wouldn't have been in at release.
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Originally Posted by bryann380
.....who came up with that stupid idea? Festival quests are supposed to be easy and fun. This ruins it. [goes to delete WG quest from log]
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Originally Posted by Regina Buenobara
Hey all. I know you're concerned about the SF issue, so we talked to the devs about what their goals were so we could convey that to you. I just posted about the SF issue here.
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fenix
You guys at ANet aren't very good at your jobs.
I figure, with my wealth of GW knowledge, I'll give you some tips as to how you can improve on what you're doing to earn our money.
Skill balancers; Ruin Shadow Form. Totally. Then ruin anything people come up with as a replacement.
Community Relations: Stop giving us pointless nonanswers. Tell us when you're going to do things, tell us when you aren't. Writing a page of HERP DERP WE'RE GONNA LOOK INTO IT just makes people mad.
Everyone else: Hurry up and finish GW2. We may be patient, but we're not THIS patient. You DO still want money...right?
I figure, with my wealth of GW knowledge, I'll give you some tips as to how you can improve on what you're doing to earn our money.
Skill balancers; Ruin Shadow Form. Totally. Then ruin anything people come up with as a replacement.
Community Relations: Stop giving us pointless nonanswers. Tell us when you're going to do things, tell us when you aren't. Writing a page of HERP DERP WE'RE GONNA LOOK INTO IT just makes people mad.
Everyone else: Hurry up and finish GW2. We may be patient, but we're not THIS patient. You DO still want money...right?
Aussie Boy
Just had "A new build is available exit GW" in chat a few min ago.
How many times is that now to fix something that should have been checked
in QA before adding to the live server.
How many times is that now to fix something that should have been checked
in QA before adding to the live server.
shoyon456
So they rushed Dhuum out the door before it was ready, with it having many bugs because many of us (myself included) were QQ'ing because there was no conclusion to the quest chain in sight.
Both of these problems could have been solved by an official Anet announcement confirming permanent changes to UW, but that bugs needed to be worked out and when to expect it. *sigh* I keep saying it and I'll say it again, its a CR fail.
Both of these problems could have been solved by an official Anet announcement confirming permanent changes to UW, but that bugs needed to be worked out and when to expect it. *sigh* I keep saying it and I'll say it again, its a CR fail.
Aussie Boy
No offense to Regina in any way but please Bring back Gail is all i have been saying yeah yeah most times it was the wrong info
but she talked and comunicated things to us every day in game or on a few forums
that's what A CR is supposed to do IMO.
but she talked and comunicated things to us every day in game or on a few forums
that's what A CR is supposed to do IMO.
Golgotha
The sad part is that while you guys are possibly the biggest whiners on the entire scope of the internet, some reason Anet considers you guys the group they're trying to appease with changes.. regardless of the fact you guys will pat them on the back for a nerf, then tear them down for another skill for the next 6 months and attack the job they've done for a game you likely haven't given a cent to for months or years. Rinse. Repeat.
Guess what? We just got a FREE content addition. Whether or not you think it's sufficient, or would rather cry about the things you didn't receive for free, to tear down their job and efforts is incredibly arrogant and frankly, idiotic.
Guess what? We just got a FREE content addition. Whether or not you think it's sufficient, or would rather cry about the things you didn't receive for free, to tear down their job and efforts is incredibly arrogant and frankly, idiotic.
Kerwyn Nasilan
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Originally Posted by Golgotha
The sad part is that while you guys are possibly the biggest whiners on the entire scope of the internet, some reason Anet considers you guys the group they're trying to appease with changes.. regardless of the fact you guys will pat them on the back for a nerf, then tear them down for another skill for the next 6 months and attack the job they've done for a game you likely haven't given a cent to for months or years. Rinse. Repeat.
Guess what? We just got a FREE content addition. Whether or not you think it's sufficient, or would rather cry about the things you didn't receive for free, to tear down their job and efforts is incredibly arrogant and frankly, idiotic. |
shoyon456
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Originally Posted by Golgotha
The sad part is that while you guys are possibly the biggest whiners on the entire scope of the internet, some reason Anet considers you guys the group they're trying to appease with changes.. regardless of the fact you guys will pat them on the back for a nerf, then tear them down for another skill for the next 6 months and attack the job they've done for a game you likely haven't given a cent to for months or years. Rinse. Repeat.
Guess what? We just got a FREE content addition. Whether or not you think it's sufficient, or would rather cry about the things you didn't receive for free, to tear down their job and efforts is incredibly arrogant and frankly, idiotic. |
If the game is good it will sell, but they definitely wont be getting past players back from this haphazard approach, and they certainly won't be getting my close friends.
A good game sells, good CR keeps players through incorporating criticism. Anet is in the fortunate place where all they need to do is sell once. And once you buy, unless you pawn off the account you might as well play since you're not paying anything to keep it.
Zahr Dalsk
Haven't even set foot in UW yet. Been busy playing TF2. Dead Ringer > all.
byteme!
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Originally Posted by Golgotha
The sad part is that while you guys are possibly the biggest whiners on the entire scope of the internet, some reason Anet considers you guys the group they're trying to appease with changes.. regardless of the fact you guys will pat them on the back for a nerf, then tear them down for another skill for the next 6 months and attack the job they've done for a game you likely haven't given a cent to for months or years. Rinse. Repeat.
Guess what? We just got a FREE content addition. Whether or not you think it's sufficient, or would rather cry about the things you didn't receive for free, to tear down their job and efforts is incredibly arrogant and frankly, idiotic. |
Golgotha
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Originally Posted by shoyon456
This is only a problem because of their "free content" in buffing out SF to stupid levels. And no, I haven't given them any money, but up until they significantly decreased support for the game and went on to GW2, I've been telling people not to buy it AND to be skeptical of GW2 when it comes out.
If the game is good it will sell, but they definitely wont be getting past players back from this haphazard approach, and they certainly won't be getting my close friends. |
It's a different game. There's more than enough content for the current players of GW. Focus on making the next one great.
Cuilan
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Originally Posted by Golgotha
some reason Anet considers you guys the group they're trying to appease with changes..
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AlsPals
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Originally Posted by Golgotha
The sad part is that while you guys are possibly the biggest whiners on the entire scope of the internet, some reason Anet considers you guys the group they're trying to appease with changes.. regardless of the fact you guys will pat them on the back for a nerf, then tear them down for another skill for the next 6 months and attack the job they've done for a game you likely haven't given a cent to for months or years. Rinse. Repeat.
Guess what? We just got a FREE content addition. Whether or not you think it's sufficient, or would rather cry about the things you didn't receive for free, to tear down their job and efforts is incredibly arrogant and frankly, idiotic. |
shoyon456
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Originally Posted by Golgotha
So you'd rather they take invaluable development time from GW2 (the very game you're now skeptical of) to put in new balances and content to GW1? That's kind of backwards in it's logic. I'd be more worried about GW2 if they continued to sink a good amount of development time in GW1, especially given how hard the game industry has been hit by the current economy.
It's a different game. There's more than enough content for the current players of GW. Focus on making the next one great. |
go cubs
As a side note, I finished UW in HM and fought Dhumm... we got rocked within minutes and 6 of our 8 members died, Not really sure what happened as we all read up on what to do and we followed it closely....anyway....
My wish is that It werent so hard on a balanced team, i mean theres so many tiny things that can go wrong which turn into getting booted out. I would much rather do that than use SF.
My wish is that It werent so hard on a balanced team, i mean theres so many tiny things that can go wrong which turn into getting booted out. I would much rather do that than use SF.
electropop
Did Dhuum get fixed so that he doesn't have the 90% damage reduction anymore (Sorry if this has been asked before)
Abedeus
Wait, wait.
SF is going to be nerfed in the next skill update?
TWO MORE MONTHS? You are worse than Blizzard's team that handles Diablo 2.
SF is going to be nerfed in the next skill update?
TWO MORE MONTHS? You are worse than Blizzard's team that handles Diablo 2.
KageNoShi
Well my phantasmal butt just got handed to me by Dhuum in hard mode along with the rest of the Mobway group I was in(PuGs+No experience in fighting Dhuum=/= success).
Also whats this about an SF nerf I wasn't paying attention?
Also whats this about an SF nerf I wasn't paying attention?
vikdog
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Wait, wait.
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N E D M
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Originally Posted by vikdog
Diablo 2 still gets updates? That game came out 10 years ago.
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Abedeus
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Originally Posted by vikdog
Diablo 2 still gets updates? That game came out 10 years ago.
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Also, 2009 - 2000 = 10? Yaaay.
Riot Narita
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Originally Posted by shoyon456
The best indicator of future behavior is past behavior.
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Me, if past behaviour is anything to go by, I personally would expect GW2 to be an awesome game, have at least 3 years of excellent support and content updates... maybe winding down after that but still with decent updates and support while A-Net works on The Next Big Thing.
Kerwyn Nasilan
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Originally Posted by shoyon456
Yes, a team of 3 people is significant development resource. My point is if this is the kind of attention they give their game after four years, what kind of support should we expect out of GW2? If they can't exercise proper CR with GW1, why should that change with GW2? The best indicator of future behavior is past behavior.
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Lishy
Judging from posts saying sf nerf will be two months, I expect something in the similar format to the Ursan nerf where other PvE skills were more balanced?
If UW is made less frustrating and more forgiving to balanced teams, all is forgiven to ANET though. Good luck
If UW is made less frustrating and more forgiving to balanced teams, all is forgiven to ANET though. Good luck
IlikeGW
I hope when they get the test krewe going they give more rational feedback than Anet's current testers. I mean they missed a lot of things here.
- Trying to stop SF groups by changing UW... in a way that gives no advantage at all to balanced groups? That's stupid.
- Making Dhuum a Halloween quest, but if you did the quest chain you find out the last one requires an UW clear. How is that rewarding? And I don't mean materially... I mean if you're telling a story, don't make the ending be "and now you have to do an UW clear" the ending. That's not a quest that's a gotcha, you MMO playing jackasses will do anything!
- Trying to stop SF groups by changing UW... in a way that gives no advantage at all to balanced groups? That's stupid.
- Making Dhuum a Halloween quest, but if you did the quest chain you find out the last one requires an UW clear. How is that rewarding? And I don't mean materially... I mean if you're telling a story, don't make the ending be "and now you have to do an UW clear" the ending. That's not a quest that's a gotcha, you MMO playing jackasses will do anything!
Lishy
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Originally Posted by IlikeGW
I hope when they get the test krewe going they give more rational feedback than Anet's current testers. I mean they missed a lot of things here.
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Although keep in mind that for whatever confidential reasons Arenanet has (Hush hush), they have reasons for whatever they do.
Killed u man
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Originally Posted by N E D M
have you seen runescape lately?
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Tough you have to pay a monthly fee (which is minima ,like what 6 euros?), Jagex listens to the community. They always create a healthy balanced between cathering the community, but also making people "work" for rewards.
Tough, GW is a better game (arguable in it's state post 2005), Runescape has had better support for over a year now.
Jagex used to make the same mistakes (They removed PvP -wilderness for those who played it) as Anet. They did, however, make a 180° turnaround the day they realized alot of people left. (Just like GW)
Now, they're activly taking suggestions on their forums, and following them through. I actually suggested several in-game updates myself (I was amazed they actually read my thread on the forum, and pushed the idea through).
Obviously:
Any new content > no content
But alot of people seem to forget:
Broken content < Fixed content.
They can add a million new maps, and people will still find a farm build for it. Anet WANTS to achieve a "high-end PvE" environment where you can't just buttonbash your way through. (Pretty much like every Elite Area, and PvP right now)
To be honest, the ONLY reason I can think off why they still haven't nerfed farming builds, is chinese farming bots. (Who supply a constant and steady income of money for Anet, concidering they buy acounts)
Abedeus
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I assure you, we won't let you down. Especially since I'm a huge nag
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Reflect
The issue with Sf was it was the best way to do uw...
Anet are trying to remove it, by making it the ONLY way to clear it or wtf?
Anet are trying to remove it, by making it the ONLY way to clear it or wtf?
Symeon
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Originally Posted by Golgotha
The sad part is that while you guys are possibly the biggest whiners on the entire scope of the internet, some reason Anet considers you guys the group they're trying to appease with changes.. regardless of the fact you guys will pat them on the back for a nerf, then tear them down for another skill for the next 6 months and attack the job they've done for a game you likely haven't given a cent to for months or years. Rinse. Repeat.
Guess what? We just got a FREE content addition. Whether or not you think it's sufficient, or would rather cry about the things you didn't receive for free, to tear down their job and efforts is incredibly arrogant and frankly, idiotic. |
We don't have to praise every inch of what they do just because it's free. The Live Team are being paid to update GW1, and even if they weren't, there's nothing wrong with us evaluating the changes they make.
I suppose there is a large majority who will see this merely at face value and think 'cool, a new boss and some minis'. Of those who actually consider the broader impact, though, many don't think this update has done enough. The news that more is to come may ease some of the dissatisfaction.
DreamWind
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Funny how people choose the past behaviour that suits them, and ignore the rest. On guru, that generally means choosing the bits that suit wallowing in a cesspool of pessimism and depression (the place that people go when they exhausted a game, but for some reason just can't move on)
Me, if past behaviour is anything to go by, I personally would expect GW2 to be an awesome game, have at least 3 years of excellent support and content updates... maybe winding down after that but still with decent updates and support while A-Net works on The Next Big Thing. |