Update 11/19/09

All this, and nothing seems to have really changed O_o Unless an uber stealthy SF nerf IS still planned.

Props to Anet for trying to solve the UWSC and farming issues without nerfing Shadow Form. You really tried, even giving us new content in the process, so I can't really complain.

Now just nerf the goddamn skill, as it's obvious where the problem lies. Touch up 600/smite while you're at it.

i bet its this

I think people have been bitching for a tougher UW since day 1. It now gets to a point where it is so tough then only gimmicky builds can make it.

We are asking that they make it even tougher so nobody can ever make it. Dhumm should have spammable 0.1s area wide 10,000 damage per hit AoE skill that goes through armor, SF, PS, and everything else.

i agree with joe fierce..i dont like the assassin profession tbh i hate them but i made 1 so i can farm with sf if i ever want to and i dont need to QQ every 5 seconds over it because im too lazy to make 1. i do honestly prefer doing things on my monk but if i wanted do uwsc (pre nerf) i cant do it with a monk so i have to use an assassin..if u dont wanna use a sin go find a way to do it without them and stop complaining

edit: oh and im doing balanced right now on my monk..were doing fine not a full team of SF sins..i think people are just lazy

welll if the speed clearers get lots of mini smites----then the price will come down for those of us with less than 5ecto to our names.....since yeah, last time I was in the UW (before halloween/wintersday quests) was when 55-ing was in......no idea what builds are in now and I dont even HAVE a sin!!
wtb smite ---when the price comes down.

No I don't want a tougher UW, I want a weaker SF. If they have to nerf it to oblivion or even change the function entirely so be it.

Dunno about anyone else but I got got another update (2mb Aprox )
hope this is a fix the crashing i get since the first update.

Let me start by saying I love Arenanet/Guild Wars and I have almost never joined in with the naysayers against them, but this is definitely a blunder of epic magnitude.

We went from promises of seeing this latest gimmick build craze nerfed to being promised this awesome once-in-a-lifetime style lore event that honestly played out differently than pretty much any of us expected, to the realization that it was all to supposedly do the nerf but in honesty has only barely slowed down these farmers while giving them new shiny rewards to sell for massive profits.

I cannot see any good in this and it is very clear that Underworld itself needs to be looked at again and hard. At what point do we go from knowing games should be fun to making things so impossibly challenging that most of the community will never finish it, all in the name of calling it an "elite area".

I believe this goes against the true original spirit of Guild Wars entirely and you don't need to classify an area as "elite" by making it this hard or only rewarding to certain people.

Unfortunately we also have to understand the lack of people working on Guild Wars 1 so this will always hinder us from this point forward. My hat goes off to the GW Live Team for trying something so ambitious but alas this great hyped up lore moment has been ruined for many, including me.

I was having periodic "Friends List" crashes over and over until this 2nd update. If I had to bet what it was, it got fixed.

Nonetheless, I have to admit I've never completed The Underworld. As of right now, unless I conform to the norm, it'll stay uncompleted.

Make him have a skill to directly counter Shadow Form.


That scythe looks sexy as though, I want it bad.

So, is smite crawler guaranteed one-per-run drop, or what?

Honestly, ice wastes is the only hard part for balanced.

Its a really cool boss battle and the goodies are nice, I just wish it was more accessible to other players.

Okay I just noticed the final quest is called The Nightman Cometh....All is forgiven solely for that reference =D

But seriously that's great.

Still curious how good the new Scythe is(Stats wise.)

Or just make it that you can't use Shadow Form in the Hall of Judgment?

An environmental effect, if you would. Not sure what you'd call it, but that isn't my job to figure it out.

Enchantments 30% as long.

do you need halloween quest to see dhuum?

No. I dont think so.

Edit: Anyone has a screenshot with miniature infobox and scythe infobox?