Speedbook on any toon

Doc Roboto

Doc Roboto

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2008

Not sure why people are paying sins to speedbook for them when anyone can do it. With the ominous SF nerf looming.. maybe its time to look at alternatives anyway.

COTN: bring a full group with skills to kill 1 group and the bear. Bring sac skills on your bar. Move heroes off and sac (don't move from original spawnpoint). Run to 3 bear spawns in heroview and have them kill the thing. easy. 5 mins.

ATC: Run to helmet (its not that tough). Flag heroes off as the first charr group is incoming. Let them kill you. In heroview, go kill boss. easier. 2-4 mins.

ATFH: Get creative. Using 3 monk heroes as the sin does.. ? I did it easily on several toons. even a paragon can do it.

GOLEM can also be done this way in 7-8 minutes which may have appeal for some.

Remember HFFF? Same idea for cotn and atc.
Bring party speedbuffs on your hero bars for faster results.


-Cheers

chessyang

chessyang

Not far from Elite

Join Date: Apr 2006

Florida

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Roboto View Post
.... Run to 3 bear spawns in heroview and have them kill the thing. easy. 5 mins.
-Cheers
will have to try this..


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Originally Posted by Doc Roboto View Post
GOLEM can also be done this way in 7-8 minutes which may have appeal for some. -Cheers um really in HM? i must be missing something. usual takes 15 or 20 mins.

Braxton619

Braxton619

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

A/W

Easier and Faster: Go to Doomlore Shrine, District 1, Press P and type this "Looking for speedbook 3k=book"... Get a PM in minutes and join there group. Keep calm on ATC and resign after mission. Help kill the nornbear on COTN. Allow the sin to kill the destroyer in seconds.

Also I can do a book in 6 minutes. I don't think a non-sin can achieve this.

cthe13

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2008

Island of Pashar [Ruah]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Braxton619 View Post
Easier and Faster: Go to Doomlore Shrine, District 1, Press P and type this "Looking for speedbook 3k=book"... Get a PM in minutes and join there group. Keep calm on ATC and resign after mission. Help kill the nornbear on COTN. Allow the sin to kill the destroyer in seconds.

Also I can do a book in 6 minutes. I don't think a non-sin can achieve this.
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Originally Posted by Doc Roboto View Post
Not sure why people are paying sins to speedbook for them when anyone can do it. With the ominous SF nerf looming.. maybe its time to look at alternatives anyway. Sin speedbook = SF
/facepalm

Doc Roboto

Doc Roboto

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by Braxton619 View Post
Easier and Faster: Go to Doomlore Shrine, District 1, Press P and type this "Looking for speedbook 3k=book"... Get a PM in minutes and join there group. Keep calm on ATC and resign after mission. Help kill the nornbear on COTN. Allow the sin to kill the destroyer in seconds.

Also I can do a book in 6 minutes. I don't think a non-sin can achieve this.
There are several threads on assassin speedbooking. Go post you 6 minute achievement there. This thread is for doing it on any toon (and keeping their cash).

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Originally Posted by chessyang View Post
will have to try this..


um really in HM? i must be missing something. usual takes 15 or 20 mins. GOLEM is a bit more involved.. might make seperate thread elsewhere if its needed. 7 mins is entirely doable, and repeatable. yes, in HM.

epicfail86

epicfail86

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

TSR

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gave this a try and i gotta say its really easy and fast. looking forward to maxing my titles thnx!

Siirius Black

Siirius Black

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

The Dragon's Lair

La Legion Del Dragon

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I think there's a variation of the sin build but with a warrior. Not sure what he used. but ATFH was done pretty fast.

Spiritz

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

DMFC

The reason ppl pay sins for speedbooking is the speed.
On a sin atc,cotn and atfh can be done in under 15 mins total and those with cash will do what most normal ppl will do - go for speed.
Would you take a 15 min train to see a friend or take a 45 min train ? - most will say 15 min train.

Considering that sf and 600/smite users are going to be hit by the almighty nerfbat soon ( and others going by anets hints ) a lot of builds for running will become void .

OP - wouldnt it be better ( and more traditional ) to post builds and give a more detailed explanation on how to do things ( Would be nice for newer players ) otherwise this thread will become another flaming troll post and get closed.

Al Dente

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2008

Ember Power Victory [EMP]

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Lets leave GOLEM well and truly out of this. We know it's the fourth fastest, but we don't need to do it because we already have the three fastest. As for your other suggestions, that's dependant on SF being unusable, which they've said they aren't going to do.

People will still look for sins to do this after the nerf because:

*20 seconds is as fast as you can kill the Great Destroyer, and that bar doesn't use SF
*CotNB is mostly running, and what are assassins good at? Again, SF isn't actually needed, it's just to make things a bit easier on the sin
*ATC is essentially running, and any tank build could take him [the boss] down. Even SF in it's previous incarnations.

Yes, perhaps paupers can run this on their own chars instead of hiring sins, but sins will still have the majority of the market share, methinks. We'll just have to wait until the nerf comes.

SpiritBond

SpiritBond

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2009

Domain of Anguish

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Currently im doing this on my monk, either i don't solo Great Destroyer, which could be easy soloed by the monk. It's easier with 3 bonders and a damage monk .

Sir Tieger

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

Jade Reapers [JD]

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I see quite a few people missed the entire point of this topic.......

SPEEDBOOKING ON ANY CHARACTER!!!!!!

No one knows for sure what will or will not happen to SF when we finally get a skill update.

So what is wrong in coming up with alternatives for worst case scenario?

People need to stop being so attached to having others run everything for them.

And nice job TC, im gonna try this out on a couple of my other chars.

Spiritz

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

DMFC

Like i said - if possible post some builds so we can see/try them , one thing the community hates is when someone says x can be done with monks etc but doesnt show any builds - so plz plz plz post the builds
well you got me. might just be my heroes/setup. but i would like to see some sort of write of it.

maybe if i have time after the wintersday and depending on the next skill update i'll try it on my warrior and write something up.


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Originally Posted by Spiritz View Post
so plz plz plz post the builds Shadow Form + Vampiric sword/axe/bow/dagger/spear/etc.... (sorry had to say it)

Doc Roboto

Doc Roboto

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2008

In response to some people thinking this is a 45 minute train, lets do a little math:

People have a tendency to exaggerate completion times when it comes to this stuff. These are the times that are achievable by mr joe average.

Against the charr is done easily in 2-4 minutes.
Curse of the nornbear is done easily in 4-7 minutes.
A time for heroes is dependant on the toon used.. any character can run SV/AV as secondary mesmer. any character can use YMLAD. Toss in some degen or other damage from your characters profession. A monk can do it solo in a couple minutes. So can any other character using the 3 bonder monks.

When you put it all together thats 8-13 minutes per book doing it on your own. This is fast.

As for posting builds.. really?

load on your favorite speedy build for atc (this is just for the trip to the helmet)
load bip or br for cotn and use it on the norn standing beside you after you flag off your heroes. It's that easy. Don't over complicate things.

I'll try and clarify a few things here..
Half your team is henchman. Take the ones that help balance out your heroes. Since you are attacking single target / small groups, take the necessary skills on your heroes to do so. It really isn't a fair fight for the bad guys.

In ATC, your team will see no baddies except for the end bosses. Its flagging and hitting fall back on a hero when it forgets. When you reach the bosses, spread your heroes out. aggro and win.

In COTN, there may be a single group of mandragor at the entrance to the cave. It spawns about half the time. Your heroes and henchman should be able to kill them off. After that, the only enemy you will see is the nornbear. Tag the first 2 spots, spread out your flags for the 3rd. aggro and win.

Nothing about this is complicated. It is fast. Anyone can do it.

CE Devilman

CE Devilman

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

hell

Do U Trust Anet

N/Mo


my heros...(not sure I need rez) +henc monk+2x henc ranger

Ctrl ..and if U see any mandragor ...resign and try one more time

nornbear..just pop him and fallback/un-flag U team..no need to fight.(U still need to fight the last one)

Doc Roboto

Doc Roboto

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2008

I spent a few minutes and got the armor to 105hp ATFH on my warrior.
Tossed together a few builds (the ATFH one is strikingly similar to the sin one)
This was just a quick throw together, and I am certain some skills could be replaced with better ones.. the purpose here is simply to show completion times.
I chose to fight the mandragor group in cotnb to have this reflect a standard set of runs.




chessyang

chessyang

Not far from Elite

Join Date: Apr 2006

Florida

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ya thanks for the runs last night Doc Roboto. to save 1 min (ya i know) in CoTN just flag 1 hero to the second spawn part read to pop the norm up once the first group is done.

i'll pos some SS later when i get home. Did 10 books last night. probably craft some armor also. have 50 some more books to run.

Hantex Brinx

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2009

PLS explain GOLEM!Ty for the guide!I was just looking for something like this because my main is a ranger and i want to do staff with him not only with my monk/sin...

afya

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/Me

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Originally Posted by Spiritz View Post
Well as your normal brain cant computerize - i was asking for the hero builds to be shown as mentioned in a previous reply - sheesh.
lol, okok, hero build u'r asking. I'll suggest u to bring hench since their AI brain alrdy figured their builds out.

Doc Roboto

Doc Roboto

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xander The Survivor View Post
Do you think is possible for you to make a guilde or explain how to do that?
yep.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/8...t10420568.html

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Well as your normal brain cant computerize - i was asking for the hero builds to be shown as mentioned in a previous reply - sheesh.
Because you have 7 AI players on your team, the builds you decide to use have a lot less impact than a solo build. If you are looking for a starting point, refer to the screenshots. I tossed those builds together in a sloppy manner, but they work fine. I'm sure you could shave some time off the runs by putting together some fine tuned builds if you want.

Essence Snow

Essence Snow

Unbridled Enthusiasm!

Join Date: Nov 2009

EST

DPR

I am going have to thank you for this lil gem. Works like a charm! I use same for atc and cotb, then pi atfh. Will be rounding out last 4 eotn titles on account in this manner. Thanks again!

DBMan

DBMan

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2009

The Phoenix Dynasty [Tear]

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Having trouble with ATFH. As soon as i get burn the regen stopped.

This is on my Ranger btw

Zodiak

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Gatineau, Qc, Canada

Kiss of Anguish [KISS]

P/W

I'm also having trouble with ATFH with my Paragon

Xander The Survivor

Xander The Survivor

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2008

DoA

Terra Noise [Zraw]

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Thanks going to try it now

Doc Roboto

Doc Roboto

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by DBMan View Post
Having trouble with ATFH. As soon as i get burn the regen stopped.

This is on my Ranger btw
Cut and paste this build onto your ranger for a quick win.

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DBMan

DBMan

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2009

The Phoenix Dynasty [Tear]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Roboto View Post
Cut and paste this build onto your ranger for a quick win.

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Can't really see the build since i'm on my laptop, but i'll try it once i get on my PC.

Doc Roboto

Doc Roboto

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2008

For those having difficulty staying alive in ATFH, I made some changes to the 3 monk builds to improve survivability. Using life barrier & life bond AFTER all 3 heroes have cast protective bond on you will reduce the damage you take (from 5 to 2 (and 1 from attacks)).
If you have your deldrimor title up, your need for healing is greatly reduced.

These are the 3 builds to cut and past onto your monks:

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With characters that use alot of targeted attacks/spells, you may not need any healing at all.


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Originally Posted by Zodiak View Post
I'm also having trouble with ATFH with my Paragon
Found this build to be quite fast (under 1 minute) for paragon:

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Remember the casting order on your monk heroes, and make sure you have your deld title up!

DBMan

DBMan

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2009

The Phoenix Dynasty [Tear]

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Just figured out it was the Destroyer of deeds that screwed me over

Essence Snow

Essence Snow

Unbridled Enthusiasm!

Join Date: Nov 2009

EST

DPR

Atfh can be h/h in 1 min by anychar using PI and discords if anyone is having problems with using the 105 way. Just kill the two destoryer of lives on the left side and any other destroyers on left side and then lead aggro of Great Destroyer with PI and it'll hit it for 75% health in one hit, PI again if it is not dead by time of recharge...and your done. Just Use discords and normal build/armor/PI easy pie.

Doc Roboto

Doc Roboto

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2008

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow View Post
Atfh can be h/h in 1 min by anychar using PI and discords if anyone is having problems with using the 105 way. Just kill the two destoryer of lives on the left side and any other destroyers on left side and then lead aggro of Great Destroyer with PI and it'll hit it for 75% health in one hit, PI again if it is not dead by time of recharge...and your done. Just Use discords and normal build/armor/PI easy pie.
This really does make it simple.

Thx Essence Snow

CE Devilman

CE Devilman

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

hell

Do U Trust Anet

N/Mo

GOLEM

note the plants in front of me..the right spot to die..
(if the 2 golem pops up in U party..resign)


flag rez hero near U..rest to left golem..die..flag henc to green star


qust starts..flag henc/heros to the left side (red X U need to fight) (green X is save spot(rez spot))(flag henc/heros near wall from red X to next red X)
after the golem are completed warming up..flag henc/heros to the bosses and kill em.


use the rez hero to get U up..run to the right side..
use a speedboost..bypass if U hit right side wall on the way and left side to center rez..and run to U henc/heros..the end.


dont forget titel Stout-Hearted.
Whenever you use a Skill against a Destroyer, it takes 5...15 damage and you gain 5...15 Health.
While a character displays the Deldrimor title, this effect is applied to that character and all of their heroes.
ATC
COTN

Doc Roboto

Doc Roboto

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2008

There is an existing guide on GOLEM (amazingly similar) posted several days ago.
Any helpful or additional information you may have could be posted there.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/8...t10420568.html

In the time it takes to do GOLEM, you could do the other 3 missions (or close enough). The math just doesn't work out.
For the purpose of speedbooking, GOLEM holds little relevance (which is why the guide was posted elsewhere).

chessyang

chessyang

Not far from Elite

Join Date: Apr 2006

Florida

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@CE Devilman Good write up!! your should add your notes to the other thread thoe.


@Doc Roboto i think he's just posting general help for those who are asking where to stand at the start + the run. Ya the math does not add up but it gives you 5 or so mins to do other stuff on the PC or stuff in the background and gain the 1500 pts for that page/mission.


just my own pics for others i guess

When you just zone check out the grass patch just above you


another shot of the grass


stand in the stop.

CE Devilman

CE Devilman

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

hell

Do U Trust Anet

N/Mo



might as well add 2 builds to do ATFH (works on all)
req daggers or sword+offhand and a beer.and a good rank in deldrimor (put titel on)
...and 105hp low armor..

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12 dagger or 12 sword and 12 tac.

monks..
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(13 in Protection Prayers)

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Special:PvXDecode
not so fast but it will work ...for all

30sec to enc. me and 30 sec to do it (HM)

Essence Snow

Essence Snow

Unbridled Enthusiasm!

Join Date: Nov 2009

EST

DPR

Finished 41st Eotn title across account using this method. If u look for speed bookers, I highly suggest you look into this.

Kudos again for this~One of the more useful threads on guru imo~

~Thanks!~Take care and Have fun~

Zodiak

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Gatineau, Qc, Canada

Kiss of Anguish [KISS]

P/W

I'm just wondering. Is it really worth it doing GOLEM at an additional 8 minutes compared to doing Against the Charr, Curse of the Nornbear and A Time for Heroes which is supposed to take 8 to 15 minutes? and woudnt it double the time for a Speedbook?

chessyang

chessyang

Not far from Elite

Join Date: Apr 2006

Florida

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Originally Posted by Zodiak View Post
A Time for Heroes which is supposed to take 8 to 15 minutes? and woudnt it double the time for a Speedbook?
AtfH shouldn't be 8 mins long. But yes doing Gloem would add more mins to the speed run and if you add it up in the long run it would be a waste of roughly 71mins.

here's my uber excel work up.



YES i rounded up. I used 1 min for a rezone or resign walk to the quest person, swap book out and zone loading. so a 3 (or 8) min run is really less then 4 (or 10) mins long.