Raise the Gold Cap!!!
Eragon Zarroc
nty, its fine the way it is
Puddin Cheeks
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Don't raise the tradeable cap, make personal hold 100-500k, chest 10mil.
I myself tend to spend it once i get 700k in there but i could see this helping some of the people that have to diligently trade with their mules and hope they dont get flagged for RMT to their own second account.
EDIT: I have sold all of my ecto, but i would like to defend against the 100k trade staying like it is. The ecto basically(artificially) became of value when people decided it was just rare enough to turn into a monetary valued item amongst players.
The reason this happened was solely because of the trade cap on gold for items that are valued above 100k(pretty obvious). If you take away the need for the artificially made item, it becomes useless. Others have stated this and it will happen instantly if the trade cap was increase over 200k.
You would have a mass selling of ecto to trader from almost everyone that believes this mechanism and it would probably land somewhere around an onyx gemstone pretty quick only because of how many are out there in peoples' storage. End of my tried explanation.
Don't raise the tradeable cap, make personal hold 100-500k, chest 10mil.
I myself tend to spend it once i get 700k in there but i could see this helping some of the people that have to diligently trade with their mules and hope they dont get flagged for RMT to their own second account.
EDIT: I have sold all of my ecto, but i would like to defend against the 100k trade staying like it is. The ecto basically(artificially) became of value when people decided it was just rare enough to turn into a monetary valued item amongst players.
The reason this happened was solely because of the trade cap on gold for items that are valued above 100k(pretty obvious). If you take away the need for the artificially made item, it becomes useless. Others have stated this and it will happen instantly if the trade cap was increase over 200k.
You would have a mass selling of ecto to trader from almost everyone that believes this mechanism and it would probably land somewhere around an onyx gemstone pretty quick only because of how many are out there in peoples' storage. End of my tried explanation.
Turbo Ginsu
/Signed.
NwN's very stable economy was never affected by the fact that there is no gold cap on players. Hell, NwN has so few storage issues that the Player Chest is a novelty, not a necessity.
The 5x increase is a nice start, but remove it altogether and you'll see a couple things. Ecto will no longer be needed as a trade money source, prices will increase slightly simply due to the fact that there is more gold about, but eventually, due to people being able to handle large amounts of gold, which is not at all subject to the same sorts of value fluctuation as a liquid asset such as ecto, the economy will stabilise itself, and may even work properly for once. That's a novel idea indeed.
NwN's very stable economy was never affected by the fact that there is no gold cap on players. Hell, NwN has so few storage issues that the Player Chest is a novelty, not a necessity.
The 5x increase is a nice start, but remove it altogether and you'll see a couple things. Ecto will no longer be needed as a trade money source, prices will increase slightly simply due to the fact that there is more gold about, but eventually, due to people being able to handle large amounts of gold, which is not at all subject to the same sorts of value fluctuation as a liquid asset such as ecto, the economy will stabilise itself, and may even work properly for once. That's a novel idea indeed.
Shasgaliel
I do not care so much about post however I would love to have this cap increased in pre.
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Morphy
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It's hard to predict how this might affect ecto prices. Chaos could ensue. Do we really want to risk that for an issue this small?
It's hard to predict how this might affect ecto prices. Chaos could ensue. Do we really want to risk that for an issue this small?
Shasgaliel
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It's hard to predict how this might affect ecto prices. Chaos could ensue. Do we really want to risk that for an issue this small? |
HawkofStorms
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This will have a detrimental impact on the economy. You can't do stuff like this retroactively. If this had been implemented when the game first came out or even just a few months into the game, that would have been fine. But doing this now would just cause all sorts of craziness.
@Shasgaliel, real nice attitude. You just want to screw over everybody else. You don't want to work for anything in the game. Ie, all the rich people who have a monopoly, 90% of them worked there asses off to get there, the others bought gold or got a really lucky drop, and even those people don't hang on to their money for long. It's not like this is the real world where some lucky SOBs just inherient millions they didn't earn. People who have money in this game were playing on an even playing field with everybody else. When you made your first character, everybody had zero gold and nothing but 3-5 damage starter weapons. Don't complain about being poor in a video game. It's not like it matters. It's not like you are starving to death or need money in a game were all the gear is ascetic anyways. If you want money in GW... go earn it like the rest of the rich players.
This will have a detrimental impact on the economy. You can't do stuff like this retroactively. If this had been implemented when the game first came out or even just a few months into the game, that would have been fine. But doing this now would just cause all sorts of craziness.
@Shasgaliel, real nice attitude. You just want to screw over everybody else. You don't want to work for anything in the game. Ie, all the rich people who have a monopoly, 90% of them worked there asses off to get there, the others bought gold or got a really lucky drop, and even those people don't hang on to their money for long. It's not like this is the real world where some lucky SOBs just inherient millions they didn't earn. People who have money in this game were playing on an even playing field with everybody else. When you made your first character, everybody had zero gold and nothing but 3-5 damage starter weapons. Don't complain about being poor in a video game. It's not like it matters. It's not like you are starving to death or need money in a game were all the gear is ascetic anyways. If you want money in GW... go earn it like the rest of the rich players.
spirit of defeat
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for the character purse.
/notsigned
for the chest
It helps trade and why would you need more then 1000K ?
If you have more go to ecto's or charity
for the character purse.
/notsigned
for the chest
It helps trade and why would you need more then 1000K ?
If you have more go to ecto's or charity
3cho
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Should be like inf cause I just want to sell my Kanaxai for gold only.
Should be like inf cause I just want to sell my Kanaxai for gold only.
Lanier
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no one needs that much gold anyway. If you really have farmed so much money that your storage is full and your ecto's panel is full, uninstall guildwars and go get yourself a life. seriously.
no one needs that much gold anyway. If you really have farmed so much money that your storage is full and your ecto's panel is full, uninstall guildwars and go get yourself a life. seriously.
Commander Kanen
Yeah. also make the trade cap bigger. so you dont HAVE to buy things that are "100k+50e"
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Grim Aragorn
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have always wished for this, i hate having to use other items when trading, straight cash is much better for economy and it makes things much easier.
have always wished for this, i hate having to use other items when trading, straight cash is much better for economy and it makes things much easier.
gremlin
Would I be right in saying many of the people who don't want this have a substantial investment in ectos and are busy farming for more.
Not saying that is wrong just an observation.
As I posted in another thread now closed it is very inconvenient to have to buy ectos to make a trade with another player.
Any player should be able to pay any amount they wish without any artificial limit if they have the cash they should be able to spend it.
If altering the currency badly affects the price of ectos so be it, start dumping them now so you won't get caught out if they drop in value.
Or perhaps a better suggestion which would preserve the value of ectos.
If your going to use ectos or anything else as currency then its value should be fixed in the game and it should be removed from the rare material traders list.
So we would have Gold Platinum Ecto.
Problem solved we can trade in ectos and they would act as real currency.
Since it already exists in the game it shouldn't take much time to remove it from all the traders and fix its value.
Not saying that is wrong just an observation.
As I posted in another thread now closed it is very inconvenient to have to buy ectos to make a trade with another player.
Any player should be able to pay any amount they wish without any artificial limit if they have the cash they should be able to spend it.
If altering the currency badly affects the price of ectos so be it, start dumping them now so you won't get caught out if they drop in value.
Or perhaps a better suggestion which would preserve the value of ectos.
If your going to use ectos or anything else as currency then its value should be fixed in the game and it should be removed from the rare material traders list.
So we would have Gold Platinum Ecto.
Problem solved we can trade in ectos and they would act as real currency.
Since it already exists in the game it shouldn't take much time to remove it from all the traders and fix its value.
Spookii
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I absolutely hate buying anything over 100k just because I have to:
A) Go out and buy ectos. This makes me have to dodge people trying to get as much pure gold for their ectos as possible, just so I don't watch my hard earned cash poof into thin air (14e vs 15e per 100k, or whatever the going rate is).
B) Then try to haggle with the person on how much they think that ectos are worth. Same issue as before, just reversed roles.
Buying something for 500k is 500k flat, there's no riff-raff. Buying something for 500k in ectos could either mean you are getting it for cheaper or they're getting more money for their item (depending on who is willing to break first AND how cheap you got your ectos/how high they can sell them).
I absolutely hate buying anything over 100k just because I have to:
A) Go out and buy ectos. This makes me have to dodge people trying to get as much pure gold for their ectos as possible, just so I don't watch my hard earned cash poof into thin air (14e vs 15e per 100k, or whatever the going rate is).
B) Then try to haggle with the person on how much they think that ectos are worth. Same issue as before, just reversed roles.
Buying something for 500k is 500k flat, there's no riff-raff. Buying something for 500k in ectos could either mean you are getting it for cheaper or they're getting more money for their item (depending on who is willing to break first AND how cheap you got your ectos/how high they can sell them).
Xenomortis
Ectos will lose some value, but they won't crash.
I really don't see any point though. Any reasonable limit is as good as any other, and no limit will cause economic problems.
I really don't see any point though. Any reasonable limit is as good as any other, and no limit will cause economic problems.
Morphy
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Would I be right in saying many of the people who don't want this have a substantial investment in ectos and are busy farming for more.
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B) Then try to haggle with the person on how much they think that ectos are worth. Same issue as before, just reversed roles.
Buying something for 500k is 500k flat, there's no riff-raff. Buying something for 500k in ectos could either mean you are getting it for cheaper or they're getting more money for their item (depending on who is willing to break first AND how cheap you got your ectos/how high they can sell them). |
gremlin
[QUOTE=Morphy;5318495]No, you wouldn't. Perhaps you might want to read people's arguments before making vile and overgeneralized statements like that.
Apologise if the comment is considered overgeneralised and Vile but I cannot see any reason whatsoever to not have a better currency system other than the greed some people seem to display.
Many times the argument against increasing the cap is that it will cause a price crash in Ectos who cares about such a crash other than those who have a large investment in ectos.
I have one ecto if the price dropped to 1 gold tomorrow it would make no difference to me if I had just farmed or worse power traded myself to 100 ectos I would be pretty annoyed.
That is why I asked the question
Whatever the arguments against a larger cap or more coin types the present system of barter to make up the difference is just silly and worse it is elitist.
Every player has access to gold and platinum but not everyone has access to Ectos and armbracers and the like.
What that means in fact is many of the casual player cannot easily get them for themselves so have to buy them off the players who can.
Do you really think that a system where I have to buy my coinage "ectos" off one player at a price they set to then go argue with another player that they really are worth that price and use them to buy something else.
It is totally and utterly stupid and if I have alienated all the players on the forum by somehow accusing them of being greedy then I can live with it.
There is no defence whatsoever to not improve the coinage system do away with ecto bartering.
Apologise if the comment is considered overgeneralised and Vile but I cannot see any reason whatsoever to not have a better currency system other than the greed some people seem to display.
Many times the argument against increasing the cap is that it will cause a price crash in Ectos who cares about such a crash other than those who have a large investment in ectos.
I have one ecto if the price dropped to 1 gold tomorrow it would make no difference to me if I had just farmed or worse power traded myself to 100 ectos I would be pretty annoyed.
That is why I asked the question
Whatever the arguments against a larger cap or more coin types the present system of barter to make up the difference is just silly and worse it is elitist.
Every player has access to gold and platinum but not everyone has access to Ectos and armbracers and the like.
What that means in fact is many of the casual player cannot easily get them for themselves so have to buy them off the players who can.
Do you really think that a system where I have to buy my coinage "ectos" off one player at a price they set to then go argue with another player that they really are worth that price and use them to buy something else.
It is totally and utterly stupid and if I have alienated all the players on the forum by somehow accusing them of being greedy then I can live with it.
There is no defence whatsoever to not improve the coinage system do away with ecto bartering.
Morphy
Lol, anyone can farm ecto's/ambraces. Those areas stopped being a challenge a long time ago. Cut the crap, man.
NerfHerder
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Buying something for 500k is 500k flat, there's no riff-raff. Buying something for 500k in ectos could either mean you are getting it for cheaper or they're getting more money for their item (depending on who is willing to break first AND how cheap you got your ectos/how high they can sell them).
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And Morphy just proved Spookii's arguement. It doesnt matter if its 500k or 100k and 1 gold. Something other than gold will be used that is not as precise of a trading tool. At the least we should be haggling over a more accurate price. Ecto traders dont like to sell 14-15 ectos and X amount of gold because it means they will have to pay a fair price. If the item being sold and the currency(ecto) are both variable in worth, establishing a price becomes twice as tricky. If trading caps are taken out of the picture a more accurate price can be established.
And if you want to talk about stopping gold farmers that sell for real money. Just google buy Guild Wars gold and read a couple websites. They dont even farm gold anymore, they prefer ectos. I dont know what it is, but something is wrong with that picture. I feel sympathy for people that have to convert gold into ectos(or anything worth over 100k) when they reach their limit. Because ectos can fluctuate depending on skill/content updates, Armbrace says "Hi"! Increasing the trading and storage cap is one way to maintain a fair trading system.
Another fix could be like Zcoins. You could purchase a coin that would be customized to you that is the same as X amount of gold that you could cash in at any time. That would solve the bank cap. But, you would still need things like ectos to buy things over 100k. Another solution would be tradable coins worth X amount of gold. The latter seems the best solution vs raising the trading/storage cap.
A stack of ectos is worth 1.5-1.7 mil in gold at the low end. If I cant hold that much in my bank from normal gameplay, why am I forced to buy/trade ectos(or any substitute) at a variable worth?
lemming
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Ectos will lose some value, but they won't crash.
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Whatever the arguments against a larger cap or more coin types the present system of barter to make up the difference is just silly and worse it is elitist.
Every player has access to gold and platinum but not everyone has access to Ectos and armbracers and the like. What that means in fact is many of the casual player cannot easily get them for themselves so have to buy them off the players who can. Do you really think that a system where I have to buy my coinage "ectos" off one player at a price they set to then go argue with another player that they really are worth that price and use them to buy something else. It is totally and utterly stupid and if I have alienated all the players on the forum by somehow accusing them of being greedy then I can live with it. There is no defence whatsoever to not improve the coinage system do away with ecto bartering. |
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And if you want to talk about stopping gold farmers that sell for real money. Just google buy Guild Wars gold and read a couple websites. They dont even farm gold anymore, they prefer ectos. I dont know what it is, but something is wrong with that picture. I feel sympathy for people that have to convert gold into ectos(or anything worth over 100k) when they reach their limit. Because ectos can fluctuate depending on skill/content updates, Armbrace says "Hi"! Increasing the trading and storage cap is one way to maintain a fair trading system.
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Also, this has nothing to do with gold selling.
gremlin
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Lol, anyone can farm ecto's/ambraces. Those areas stopped being a challenge a long time ago. Cut the crap, man.
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If farming ectos ambracers wasn't a challenge everybody would be doing it.
If everybody was doing it then no one would be buying them.
If no one was buying them then no one would be selling them the price would be very low and they would be no use in trade.
Because farming them is outside the ability or playing time of a large proportion of the player base they are worth farming for the rest.
Xenomortis
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If farming ectos ambracers wasn't a challenge everybody would be doing it.
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And no, it isn't really a challenge.
Still Number One
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That isn't strictly true I am afraid.
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It really isn't difficult to do in the least bit and anybody that cares enough to do it can.
Mia Clemons
I think everyone is failing to see consequences of this.
YES, i agree that having over 100k on my person would be nice, however, increasing the cap on the amount of money you can store in your chest or person would only lower the price of transferable materials (ectos).
Consider the scenario:
A wealthy player who has 10 stacks of ectos and 1,000k in his Xunlai chest (among other things).
If the cap were to be increased to 5,000k, the smart wealthy player would thus want to sell most of his ecto to max out that 5,000k in his vault (gold will always be worth more then tradeable materials due to its nature). Imagine every wealthy player in the game does this, at least to some degree. The result would be a shift in market prices for all items that required payments above 100k, which from an economic standpoint would result in inflation of gold and a significant decrease in the price of ectos (possibly making them close to worthless)
In essence, this idea while seemingly harmless would cause market instability, which Anet does NOT want to deal with and neither do we as players. (Imagine if the United States Stock Market crashed again, while this scenario is on a lesser scale, the result would be similar.)
im sorry to say but i must....
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YES, i agree that having over 100k on my person would be nice, however, increasing the cap on the amount of money you can store in your chest or person would only lower the price of transferable materials (ectos).
Consider the scenario:
A wealthy player who has 10 stacks of ectos and 1,000k in his Xunlai chest (among other things).
If the cap were to be increased to 5,000k, the smart wealthy player would thus want to sell most of his ecto to max out that 5,000k in his vault (gold will always be worth more then tradeable materials due to its nature). Imagine every wealthy player in the game does this, at least to some degree. The result would be a shift in market prices for all items that required payments above 100k, which from an economic standpoint would result in inflation of gold and a significant decrease in the price of ectos (possibly making them close to worthless)
In essence, this idea while seemingly harmless would cause market instability, which Anet does NOT want to deal with and neither do we as players. (Imagine if the United States Stock Market crashed again, while this scenario is on a lesser scale, the result would be similar.)
im sorry to say but i must....
/notsigned
NerfHerder
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I'm not sure if you realize that increasing the gold cap would cause ectos to "fluctuate" more than it has the entire time since Shadow Form came out.
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Also, this has nothing to do with gold selling.
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I have alot of money(to me its alot of money) invested in ectos, over a stack, that I converted from gold just to keep from going over the bank/player cap. So I have some potential loss here as well. But I feel, a better system is out there. And if I have to take a hit in order to make a better system, so be it. Its not like I cant farm more gold just from playing the game. Or should I be grinding ectos day in day out instead of earning cash the fun way(playing the game)?
If there is a better soution than a real Auction House/Marketplace, what I or others suggested, or "Its fine the way it is." I would like to hear it.
MithranArkanere
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I certainly wouldn't.
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Do you think anyone normal can stand such BOREDOM for so long?
Farming repetitively like many people do would drive me insane.
Yeah, a 5 years old could do it, but even a 5 years old would get bored after a couple of hours.
And hands hurt too.
Xenomortis
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You are wrong. It's an incredible challenge.
Do you think anyone normal can stand such BOREDOM for so long? |
Winterclaw
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which from an economic standpoint would result in inflation of gold and a significant decrease in the price of ectos (possibly making them close to worthless)
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Haggis of Doom
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(Imagine if the United States Stock Market crashed again, while this scenario is on a lesser scale, the result would be similar.)
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All this will do is make really rich people less rich. Which isn't a bad thing since they are either:
- Good at getting rich (power traders, farmers with a brain who know how to adapt) in which case they will get even richer in no time, or;
- Lamers who had a lot of time abusing a broken build they copied from PvX and who cry after a nerf, in which case we don't care about them.
The really poor (either bad at making money or very casual players) will finally get a chance at getting Obsidian armor, which isn't very pretty on many professions to begin with thus overpriced. Nothing wrong with a bit of forced communism with virtual goods.
Lanier
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And no, it isn't really a challenge.
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Morphy
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That isn't strictly true I am afraid.
If farming ectos ambracers wasn't a challenge everybody would be doing it. If everybody was doing it then no one would be buying them. If no one was buying them then no one would be selling them the price would be very low and they would be no use in trade. Because farming them is outside the ability or playing time of a large proportion of the player base they are worth farming for the rest. |
DoA: DwG
Both areas have builds that any monkey can play. Unless you want to claim there are people who can't play these builds?
People don't farm these areas because they have better things to do. Believe it or not, there actually are people who play this game without the intent of earning virtual cash. Hard concept to grasp, I know. Ecto's have value because they take a lot of time to farm, time that most people prefer to spend on things they enjoy more. And because they're used as valuta, obv.
Dewshine Wildclaw
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Ectos are a crafting material... not a currency. Or thats how it should be.
I don't expect to ever hit the cap on the xunlai, but that doesn't matter.
Ecto as a third tier of currency sucks imo.
So I guess Im in for this mainly for better easier trade.
If I sell something worth more than 100k I want gold not ecto. If I buy something worth more than 100k I want to be able to pay with gold not ecto.
Ectos are a crafting material... not a currency. Or thats how it should be.
I don't expect to ever hit the cap on the xunlai, but that doesn't matter.
Ecto as a third tier of currency sucks imo.
So I guess Im in for this mainly for better easier trade.
If I sell something worth more than 100k I want gold not ecto. If I buy something worth more than 100k I want to be able to pay with gold not ecto.
yitjuan
wouldn't the large availability of gold WITHOUT gold sinks drive the eventual prices of everything else up? I suppose it really doesn't matter if the price of a year 1 mini goes up to 50k each , because who collects minis anyway?
Xenomortis
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When it comes to farming, the most challenging thing is being able to force yourself through the monotony and repetitiveness. It may not be the type of "challenge" that you or morphy meant, but it is a challenge none-the-less, and I find it very challenging trying to force myself to go farm ectos.
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If something doesn't require any ability to get through then it simply cannot be a challenge. Doing anything many times over is dull, but I know many people who are willing to spend several hours going at it during events.
The reason why I don't ever farm is because it is dull, but that doesn't impart challenge, that just adds a requirement for extra motivation.
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wouldn't the large availability of gold WITHOUT gold sinks drive the eventual prices of everything else up? I suppose it really doesn't matter if the price of a year 1 mini goes up to 50k each , because who collects minis anyway?
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Increasing the cap will, at best, cause ectos to deflate. I certainly don't see any reason as to why assests will inflate.
gremlin
Ok so anyone can farm ectos its easy fair enough.
So anyone can run some kind of solo build and get them if they really really wanted them, of course it will take a bit of practice and maybe a few failures but yes it can be done.
And eventually they will be able to farm away and spend all their available game time farming perhaps some night getting a couple of ectos and other times getting a dozen or more.
They will probably lose the will to live turn to alcohol or just get rsi.
But back to the original point it shouldn't be needed.
The whole reason the game designers put gold and platinum into the game was for ease of trading.
They never imagined it would need altering as they never thought some items would become so valuable to the players.
As we all know it takes them a while to correct mistakes so fixing the money system by altering the cap or adding a new coin after 5 years is by no means unusual.
Some parts of the game have needed fixing for almost as long.
So anyone can run some kind of solo build and get them if they really really wanted them, of course it will take a bit of practice and maybe a few failures but yes it can be done.
And eventually they will be able to farm away and spend all their available game time farming perhaps some night getting a couple of ectos and other times getting a dozen or more.
They will probably lose the will to live turn to alcohol or just get rsi.
But back to the original point it shouldn't be needed.
The whole reason the game designers put gold and platinum into the game was for ease of trading.
They never imagined it would need altering as they never thought some items would become so valuable to the players.
As we all know it takes them a while to correct mistakes so fixing the money system by altering the cap or adding a new coin after 5 years is by no means unusual.
Some parts of the game have needed fixing for almost as long.
lemming
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I do and personally dont care if ectos turn into the price of pre HoM shards. It's a rare material used for crafting, thats all it should be.
It would make all the ectos they farmed turn into ash, and that would make me smile. But they would just sell gold, Zkeys, Armbraces, etc. So you have a point, it is probably a seperate issue. But, there is a reason why they prefer ectos. A better system of trading could prove useful in tracking gold sellers. I have alot of money(to me its alot of money) invested in ectos, over a stack, that I converted from gold just to keep from going over the bank/player cap. So I have some potential loss here as well. But I feel, a better system is out there. And if I have to take a hit in order to make a better system, so be it. Its not like I cant farm more gold just from playing the game. Or should I be grinding ectos day in day out instead of earning cash the fun way(playing the game)? If there is a better soution than a real Auction House/Marketplace, what I or others suggested, or "Its fine the way it is." I would like to hear it. |
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I was about to chime in that this was a stupid idea until I read this. Now I'm completely for raising the cap to 10,000,000 in the vault and 1,000,000 in person.
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You are wrong. It's an incredible challenge.
Do you think anyone normal can stand such BOREDOM for so long? Farming repetitively like many people do would drive me insane. Yeah, a 5 years old could do it, but even a 5 years old would get bored after a couple of hours. And hands hurt too. |
tldr: Some people have more money than others. Get used to it.
Mia Clemons
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Yeah. We'll have unemployment and starvation. Wait... what?
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My analogy was, by increasing the overall supply of gold to the degree that is mentioned in here, you would effectively be creating a similar situation to that of the market crash.
/notsigned again
Lensor
The percentage of players who are rich enough to max out all gold holding capability (1.8 million if typical 8-character account) is very small, whereas the economic implication of increasing the holding limit would be very large.
Bascially this change would have small potential gain but large potential risk.
Not worth it.
/notsigned.
Bascially this change would have small potential gain but large potential risk.
Not worth it.
/notsigned.
Rushin Roulette
Signed at increasing the personal cap to 500K and the Storage capacity to 5000K, but not signed to increasing the per trade cap above 100K.
Im not saying that because im super rich (With around 30e in storage im not really anywhere near in the league of Panda/ Island guardian Traders... not that Im adverse to someone donating one to me
), but because it would seriously screw over the economy if 2/4 of the tradeable objects (Gold, Platinum, Ecto and Armbraces) were to suddenly drop in value.
You can see that in Armbraces at the moment from the addition of the HoM Calculator and the various DoA SC and non SC runs. Items that used to be worth 100 Armbraces are suddenly 400 Armbraces, meaning that the people who have been diligently saving up for ages to finally get those 100 Armbraces have suddenly been screwed over royally and the rich become even richer.
Increasing the trade cap and therefore devaluing Ectos will be hitting the wrong people (The ones whining themselves that they cant afford something etc. and everyone else who isnt whining but in the same situation).
Im not saying that because im super rich (With around 30e in storage im not really anywhere near in the league of Panda/ Island guardian Traders... not that Im adverse to someone donating one to me
), but because it would seriously screw over the economy if 2/4 of the tradeable objects (Gold, Platinum, Ecto and Armbraces) were to suddenly drop in value.You can see that in Armbraces at the moment from the addition of the HoM Calculator and the various DoA SC and non SC runs. Items that used to be worth 100 Armbraces are suddenly 400 Armbraces, meaning that the people who have been diligently saving up for ages to finally get those 100 Armbraces have suddenly been screwed over royally and the rich become even richer.
Increasing the trade cap and therefore devaluing Ectos will be hitting the wrong people (The ones whining themselves that they cant afford something etc. and everyone else who isnt whining but in the same situation).
gremlin
Increasing the amount of gold you can keep in storage is of far less importance than the amount you can use in a single transaction.
I can always spread my wealth over all my characters or even other accounts if needed.
What is important is to be able so spend any amount in trade without having to resort to rare materials.
Presently the Underworld and some other elite areas are not used by many because they cannot take henchies there and so are limited to self + 3 heroes.
When we get full hero parties anyone will be able to take a full party of heroes into the elite areas and prices will change anyway.
I can only guess at what will happen to the prices once large numbers of players start farming for themselves.
They will not be as efficient as the solo or team builds currently working such areas but they will be there.
So just fix the currency so people can trade
I can always spread my wealth over all my characters or even other accounts if needed.
What is important is to be able so spend any amount in trade without having to resort to rare materials.
Presently the Underworld and some other elite areas are not used by many because they cannot take henchies there and so are limited to self + 3 heroes.
When we get full hero parties anyone will be able to take a full party of heroes into the elite areas and prices will change anyway.
I can only guess at what will happen to the prices once large numbers of players start farming for themselves.
They will not be as efficient as the solo or team builds currently working such areas but they will be there.
So just fix the currency so people can trade