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shadows of hob

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Rocky (Dragon)Mountains

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03 Feb 2010 at 16:50 - 361

I decided to react on this thread, because I too see that bots are becoming more and more of a problem, especially on Special Event arena's. There are now an ridiculous amount of bots in the normal snowball matches. In the AT's and even in the teams that won the AT's, bots are being used. I know about 6 people that have said to me that they are using bots. They are even proud that 'their bot won the AT for them'. I am not going in discussion if there are bots for RBR, but I can't discard it. I, too, have played with people that ended up in the top 100 and I too found it very suspicous that they followed the same path/same skills at exactly the same times over and over.

What is funny, is that once they get blocked by an other player, they just stay there and only go forth if the blocking player moves away. When the blocker does, even if he has long lost, that beettle still goes on the same path/skills.

Of course, at least some people in the top 100 ARE good and they fully deserve their prize for all the work they did to improve their skills, but I just can't help it that such experiences aren't very good for my trust in this game.

I wish you all a very happy Canthan Newyear.

Greedy Gus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Striking Distance

03 Feb 2010 at 17:00 - 362

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kattar

I'd trust Reverend Dr over you. Proof is required of any such claims. Although that's a little off topic.

Pretty sure just following this thread has shown this poster as an actual coder for the bots available on google, and reverend is just trying to make educated guesses based on playing.

Reverend Dr

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03 Feb 2010 at 21:10 - 363

A fiend and I sifted through the google code but targets of skill are not a discernible variable, unless there is something we missed. Of course if there is a way to determine this that we missed then I'm going to look back into designing a prot-bot.

Revelations

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Not Dead

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03 Feb 2010 at 23:46 - 364

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kattar

I'd trust Reverend Dr over you. Proof is required of any such claims. Although that's a little off topic.

You do realize that you're talking to one of the most prolific developers of the bot?

Kattar

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SMS (lolgw2placeholder)

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04 Feb 2010 at 11:59 - 365

Quote:

You do realize that you're talking to one of the most prolific developers of the bot?

Nope; don't have any experience with sunec. Just Reverend Dr.

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

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Trying to stay out of Ryuk's Death Note

N/R

04 Feb 2010 at 12:33 - 366

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revelations

You do realize that you're talking to one of the most prolific developers of the bot?

So we can blame him for [email protected] up Guild Wars? How deeply associated with the Gold Seller that sponsors the Elite Retard site is he?

Considering that site also has posts providing tools to hack accounts and people that were bragging about how many accounts have been hacked, you may want to keep your mouth closed. Anyone associated with that site should be considered a waste of sperm.

Google Translate is a wonderful thing....

Shayne Hawke

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Clan Dethryche [dth]

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04 Feb 2010 at 13:12 - 367

So, what does a legitimate team look like in these games then? A team that loses all the time?

Revelations

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04 Feb 2010 at 13:31 - 368

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tullzinski

So we can blame him for [email protected] up Guild Wars? How deeply associated with the Gold Seller that sponsors the Elite Retard site is he?

Considering that site also has posts providing tools to hack accounts and people that were bragging about how many accounts have been hacked, you may want to keep your mouth closed. Anyone associated with that site should be considered a waste of sperm.

Google Translate is a wonderful thing....

I'm not blaming anyone, and AFAIK, Mr S. is only one of a handful of individuals who have been working with the bot code. On the off chance that I did decide to point fingers it would certainly not be at him.

I was simply trying to point out that if anyone knows exactly how much leverage the client is given then it is him. Though I usually (silently) concur with the opinions of Reverend Dr, in this case his speculation is most probably less accurate than the information given by someone who has helped significantly in the creation of the bot code.

At very least, the GW client can detect spells targeted on you, and though it may not be documented with the rest of the function list I think it safe to say that Sunec wouldn't really have cause to misrepresent the ability of the GW client.

dr love

...is in denial

Join Date: Sep 2006

Hyperion

starcraft 2

P/Me

04 Feb 2010 at 14:41 - 369

The GMs are obviously in a frenzy of activity banning bots:

Subject snowball dominance bots Discussion Thread Response (GM XXX)
Hello,

We appreciate your report of the bot situation in Guild Wars. We will investigate the parties involved and take action accordingly.

Please contact us if you have any further questions.

Regards,
GM XXX
The Guild Wars Support Team Response (XXX)
Hello,

Thank you for contacting the Guild Wars Support Team.

I am escalating your ticket to our Guild Wars senior staff members to assist you further. Once they have reviewed your question, one of them will contact you as soon as possible.

Regards,
GM XXX
The Guild Wars Support Team

Customer (XXX)
hi, i'm just curious if anything is being done about snowball dominance botting (amongst many many other bots). its a repeatable quest with great rewards.

here's a link to probably the most popular version: XYZ

if it's of no concern, then i'll be happy to run it, and bot 10000s of tonics for myself. then i'll load up and bot a mini polar bear as well. there was only a few hundred thousands of tonics generated from the bot during the holidays, i'm sure a few thousand more is no big deal.

cheers!

Tullzinski

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04 Feb 2010 at 14:58 - 370

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revelations

I'm not blaming anyone, and AFAIK, Mr S. is only one of a handful of individuals who have been working with the bot code. On the off chance that I did decide to point fingers it would certainly not be at him.

I was simply trying to point out that if anyone knows exactly how much leverage the client is given then it is him. Though I usually (silently) concur with the opinions of Reverend Dr, in this case his speculation is most probably less accurate than the information given by someone who has helped significantly in the creation of the bot code.

At very least, the GW client can detect spells targeted on you, and though it may not be documented with the rest of the function list I think it safe to say that Sunec wouldn't really have cause to misrepresent the ability of the GW client.

Fully aware of how knowledgable Mr S. is. The finer points of the progam (and others), the versitility and capabilities are impressive. What it can detect or not does not matter any more. Don't really care about the ability of the GW Client. The point remains; All facets of GW are tainted by this crap.

You can get bots to do ANYTHING in the game. If it does not exist it can be made. Currently anything with a desirable reward has a bot associated with it.

What is driving this? Is everyone that lazy? Can't handle a challenge? Anti grind? ANETs fault for having things people want? Too busy? Greed? Jealousy? If you want to practice you API skills/hobby try making something for Word or Excel instead.

My bet is that real money drives this. Selling everything to the Gold Sellers for real cash is a very strong incentive. Need a gold trimmed cape, mini polar bear, greased lighting, 1000 ectos, 1000 plat, no problem you name it and I bet they can get it. If this is not someone's reason for botting, then they are retarded.

So, I AM blaming him and any handful of individuals you care to name. Cite any excuses you want, in the end the game is destroyed and soon noone will enjoy it. Go screw up someone elses enjoyment.

You know what screw it all, Hey ANET just give everyone everything in the game and call it a day. Once everybody has every single reward/items/title/money the existence of the gold sellers and bots is pointless. Just put a NPC in the game and call him Lazy F@$&ing A$$holes Santa Claus. You click on him and get anything you want. The only stuff worth anything in the game will then be those things awarded by ANET itself which cannot be obtained in game.

VV @bud Thanks!

BuD

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Nunya

E/Mo

04 Feb 2010 at 17:18 - 371

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tullzinski

My bet is that real money drives this

Absolutely.

That forum that has been thrown around here that has the links & the guide on how to use it, has a section for people to sell stuff...some of the stuff for sale is stacks of Z Keys for real money through pay pal accounts.

FN pathetic.

btw, love the avatar Tull, Ren & Stimpy FTW!!!

Reverend Dr

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05 Feb 2010 at 01:09 - 372

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kattar

Nope; don't have any experience with sunec. Just Reverend Dr.

I had examined the code and didn't see a way which is why I posted what I did. However this was an error on my part and I missed something that I should not have. The client does indeed receive targets of spells.

HawkofStorms

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05 Feb 2010 at 02:13 - 373

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadows of hob

I decided to react on this thread, because I too see that bots are becoming more and more of a problem, especially on Special Event arena's. There are now an ridiculous amount of bots in the normal snowball matches. In the AT's and even in the teams that won the AT's, bots are being used. I know about 6 people that have said to me that they are using bots. They are even proud that 'their bot won the AT for them'. I am not going in discussion if there are bots for RBR, but I can't discard it. I, too, have played with people that ended up in the top 100 and I too found it very suspicous that they followed the same path/same skills at exactly the same times over and over.

What is funny, is that once they get blocked by an other player, they just stay there and only go forth if the blocking player moves away. When the blocker does, even if he has long lost, that beettle still goes on the same path/skills.

Of course, at least some people in the top 100 ARE good and they fully deserve their prize for all the work they did to improve their skills, but I just can't help it that such experiences aren't very good for my trust in this game.

I wish you all a very happy Canthan Newyear.

Agreed, its getting kinda ridiculous in snowball arena.

Oh well...

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

05 Feb 2010 at 11:52 - 374

GM ApplePython insists that their interrupt bot detection script works perfectly.

Apparently interrupting every single cast 1s cast under 8 fc for six minutes is normal behavior. Perhaps they need a better documented example of interrupt botting to base their script off of.

Thevil King

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

05 Feb 2010 at 12:03 - 375

this whole botting thing is turning out to be more and more of a joke now. i cant even be able to win a game without being called a "bot"... in fact, i cant even do a simple cancel trick or do a simple close range dodge without being accused of cheating. this is going way to far. all this botting thing is doing, is giving players a scapegoat to blame their failures on.

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

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05 Feb 2010 at 12:28 - 376

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thevil King

this whole botting thing is turning out to be more and more of a joke now. i cant even be able to win a game without being called a "bot"... in fact, i cant even do a simple cancel trick or do a simple close range dodge without being accused of cheating. this is going way to far. all this botting thing is doing, is giving players a scapegoat to blame their failures on.

Then tell them to go ahead and report you or shut the hell up. Tell them how to do it on top of it. No bot, no worries and they can get a suspension for falsely reporting you. If they still piss and moan /ignore....

Drake Slasher

Frost Gate Guardian

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MoO

D/W

05 Feb 2010 at 14:03 - 377

This is pretty ridiculous.
I've been accused of using a "pickup bot"... so i can "pick up the presents faster than anyone else" lol
You know what my pickup bot is? target next item + spacebar -_-"
It's true that a lot of people just can't accept the fact of someone else being better than them. They make up bullsh!t like pickup bots, which leads to stupid threads like this.
As to RBR : I used to not know how you could get a 480 score, however i didn't accuse the players who did get 480+. Then i watched that famous youtube vid and made a high score myself.
Good players : try to learn from their mistakes
Bad,lazy etc players : don't bother to improve their game and accuse the good players.

Tullzinski

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05 Feb 2010 at 14:18 - 378

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drake Slasher

They make up bullsh!t like pickup bots, which leads to stupid threads like this.

Snowball bots do exist and it is a major problem, so does the RBR bot. But thanks for your opinion anyway.

Killed u man

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

05 Feb 2010 at 15:25 - 379

Honest players are ALWAYS going to be victim of botters getting called out. Simply by me wanting to "check every top snowball guild and RBR 100 scores", there's going to be a few innocent people getting checked by Anet.

But as long as you don't get banned for it, what's the problem? If anything, you should be GLAD someone is calling you a botter, because if you GENUINLY KNOW you're NOT A BOTTER, it means you're pretty gud at rupting stuff...

It's like when I play BBsin in both HB (top 20) and HA. I got called botter, for weapon swapping, so many times cuz I managed to quarter knock (and I mean a fully quarter, interrupted spirit bond, LS like 4-5 times) a prot monk 4 times in a row. I took this as a compliment tough, because those players tought my playstyle was unhuman behaviour, and thus calling me essentially superhuman good. (Tough they were morrons, cuz it's not that hard)

And Drake, there's always going to be morrons who call everyone out, who beat them, on botting. Just ignore them, if you know you're not botting, why do you care?

Yuris Sayuri

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2008

MoO, Glad, Boo

Mo/W

05 Feb 2010 at 15:30 - 380

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tullzinski

Snowball bots do exist and it is a major problem, so does the RBR bot. But thanks for your opinion anyway.

Who are you? Did you won a couple of Snowball aT's? Did you had RBR Top100 rankings by urself? I guess not, so don't talk about stuff you can't exhibit experiences yet. I don't care if you certainly know about normal PvP/PvE but event games is a different story.
A Major problem? Definitely not. I wouldn't win that many Snowball/RBR events then. As you said before, people that don't believe me can go ahead and report me as often as they want. I dont mind, it won't happen anything, because i truly know i don't bot / use macros.

There are only some pickup bots and macros, which give you just a tiny advantage (Even these tools don't guarantee you a faster pickup. It's all about the servers and pings). It's much more than that to make you win snowball aT's.
To say RBR has effective bots is really a joke.

Get experiences and you can complain about other opinions.

Tullzinski

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05 Feb 2010 at 16:16 - 381

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuris Sayuri

Who are you? Did you won a couple of Snowball aT's? Did you had RBR Top100 rankings by urself? I guess not, so don't talk about stuff you can't exhibit experiences yet. I don't care if you certainly know about normal PvP/PvE but event games is a different story.
A Major problem? Definitely not. I wouldn't win that many Snowball/RBR events then. As you said before, people that don't believe me can go ahead and report me as often as they want. I dont mind, it won't happen anything, because i truly know i don't bot / use macros.

There are only some pickup bots and macros, which give you just a tiny advantage (Even these tools don't guarantee you a faster pickup. It's all about the servers and pings). It's much more than that to make you win snowball aT's.
To say RBR has effective bots is really a joke.

Get experiences and you can complain about other opinions.

Attack me if it makes you feel better. Questioning what people have done in GW is pointless. IMO it is a MAJOR problem. You disagree. There is an awful lot of I in your post. Last time I looked this is not about you. Drake stated the bots were made up, they are not and the proof is overwhelming that they exist.

Quote for me where I said that RBR has effective bots please. Previously, stated they exist and made no assumptions about their effectiveness.

IMO arguments about how effective or not these are is pointless. The bots exist, are publically available, easy to setup, easy to modify, seemingly not detectable, not being banned in a meaningful way. This makes them a Major Problem.

coil

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Join Date: Aug 2007

06 Feb 2010 at 06:40 - 382

just out of curiosity, how can they catch anyone botting or even macroing? unless they're repeating a blatantly obvious sequence many many times...there's no 3rd party app that other mmo's use (gameguard/punkbuster), they cant detect anything not interfering with packets but even if you do interfere with packets (which apparently are the types becoming prevalent) is there anything built into the client to detect this?

other than people sending in reports and gm's watching you and getting suspicious (which i highly doubt they have the resources to do) can they really even do anything about this issue?

dr love

...is in denial

Join Date: Sep 2006

Hyperion

starcraft 2

P/Me

06 Feb 2010 at 13:42 - 383

Quote:

Originally Posted by coil

just out of curiosity, how can they catch anyone botting or even macroing? unless they're repeating a blatantly obvious sequence many many times...

Lets be honest. Seeing as how anet doesn't even have the capacity to catch pve bots that exhibit repetitive behavior and no human input, they will NEVER catch a pvp bot where a human is also playing.

So load up your pvp bots, because it's the way of the future.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

06 Feb 2010 at 22:42 - 384

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuris Sayuri

Who are you? Did you won a couple of Snowball aT's?.

WTF DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?

Slander and insult people who disagree with you all you want, that doesn't change the fact that snowball bots/macros do exist.

RBR bots are inferior to a human, so that's not as big a problem.

Thevil King

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

07 Feb 2010 at 14:42 - 385

macros only give a minor advantage for picking up presents. effective bots that can do tricks such as dnd is just a joke.
from what i see so far, this botting business is benefitting the NON-botters more than the "botters", because it provides a great excuse for the "elite" players to blame their loss on. how could the opponent beat us? by botting, ofc.
so today i was just playing a random 4v4 snowball game. and it just happens that 2ppl in my team did not load, so it was a 2v4. it also just happens to be the case that we won that game. then it just happens that one of my opponent has a pheonix rank, and i did not. the entire game i only used the dnd trick once, and geuss what, im labeled a botter and got reported. isnt that nice, the "pro" ha player gets to keep his confidence and delusion that the only possible way he can lose is his opponents cheating

Yuris Sayuri

Frost Gate Guardian

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MoO, Glad, Boo

Mo/W

07 Feb 2010 at 14:58 - 386

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

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Never forget, 90% of this thread is off-topic. Borat's complaining about snowball-at/rbr bots. I just can proof these kinda bots ain't effective. Who needs bots that don't guarantee you a victory (You won't risk your account for almost useless bots)? As Thevil King mentioned it twice already, people just want to have an excuse for their failing.

If you don't have enough experiences in event games a discussion doesnt make sense.

The Arching Healer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Super Kaon Action Team [SuKa]

07 Feb 2010 at 15:27 - 387

Bots in snowball actually give a huge advantage. I know some people that where completely shit at the snowball game. Now that they have these bots, instead of top ~20 in a tourney, they always get top 4. This has obviously nothing to do with knowing the game better.

Altho I never heard of this Yuris Sayuri guy, probably a player who joined after NF. But the guild MoO obviously uses macro's. But I wont deny the fact that some guys in MoO do know what they are doing. But there are still many players that rely too much on their macro's/bots.

Thevil King

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

07 Feb 2010 at 16:10 - 388

bots and macros are not the same thing.....using a macro does nothing to guarantee taht you will pick up faster against a good player, so at best it will only provide a minor advantage against good teams. in fact, just the people from my guild who uses mouse clicks and still be able to pickup as fast as any one using macros
as for the bots that are allegedly able to perform complex tricks such as dnd or even win rbr with 480k, i strongly doubt that they exist, and if they do, i doubt they will be effective enough to be able to have any merit at all.
and what is the problem with joining before/after NF? as far as i know you can start yesteday and become a pro, or start since beta and still remain a noob. also, this is event games we are talking about here, not gvg or ha

Killed u man

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

07 Feb 2010 at 16:39 - 389

I'll agree with Yuris that botting RBR might not get you the MAXIMUM score possible, but that it guarantees a 480K+ time if the setup is right (No kd's, and good boxes, just like a real player needs) is definatly possible.

And then there's snowball Arena. If you HONESTLY still believe that tactics and "skill" outweighs the advantages of picking the present up faster, than I really doubt how much you guys really know about Snowball AT's.

It all comes down to PICKING UP THE RELIC, and running it to YOUR AVATAR. That's 99% of snowball explained in one sentence. So a bot will definatly guarantee you the victory, as long as you have enough ppl using it, and they're not completely braindead. For example, 1 guy bottin in a team isn't going to do alot. Sure,he's always going to pick up the present, but once he gets KD'd, you still need someone else to pick it up.
And when you have 8 monkeys playing with a bot, they're still not going to accomplish anything, pretty sure a child realizes that.

My point is that if you have a team of 8 reasonably good people (I concider MoO a good guild, tough I assume they're botting nontheless) abusing bots, the first place is pretty much in the pocket the second you enter the AT. Regardless of Grenth or Dwayna or whatever...

bursta91

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07 Feb 2010 at 19:14 - 390

My name's Burster,
I suck at GW,
I own a g15 keyboard

ps. when the rbr bot gets released CC me a copy please

lemming

The Hotshot

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Honolulu

International District [id???]

07 Feb 2010 at 21:32 - 391

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Arching Healer

Altho I never heard of this Yuris Sayuri guy, probably a player who joined after NF. But the guild MoO obviously uses macro's. But I wont deny the fact that some guys in MoO do know what they are doing. But there are still many players that rely too much on their macro's/bots.

Yuris is in MoO.

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

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08 Feb 2010 at 13:50 - 392

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuris Sayuri

I just can proof these kinda bots ain't effective. Who needs bots that don't guarantee you a victory (You won't risk your account for almost useless bots)? As Thevil King mentioned it twice already, people just want to have an excuse for their failing.

If you don't have enough experiences in event games a discussion doesnt make sense.

On second thought, I'm being delusional trying to discuss the effectiveness issue any further with anyone. Effectiveness of the bots is a straw man argument.

Trinity Fire Angel

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08 Feb 2010 at 14:52 - 393

there are heaps of websites if you look hard enough for interrupt and rbr bots on the web. i had my previous post removed cause i actually named the bots name and made references to the website.

hell, there is a good video of the interrupt bot interrupting patient spirit 100% of the time. prove to me that that is not a bot and i will prove to you that my r10 Luxon title is actually more 1337 than starcraft's pheonix emote.

still... there are people in this thread that still deny these bots actually exist!!!

Killed u man

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

08 Feb 2010 at 15:03 - 394

If they were to admit the bot exists, they also admit the possibility exists they botted, because they've been defending they didn't, based on the arguement RBR can't be botted.

Therefore, against all logic, they simply can't admit RBR bots exists, even tough a quick trip to google (*COUGH*) will already net you some RBR bots, albeit rather primitive. (Not the ones I'm talking about) Tough the pre-scripted route is already there. One would simply have to mold it into a c#/++ batch and then merge it with a version of the interrupt bot to react to KD's, aswell as to see who still has Ram, etc...

Kattar

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Me/

08 Feb 2010 at 15:17 - 395

Ok, this is the last warning: if anymore names are mentioned, this thread will be deleted. The loads of off topic crap in this thread is more than enough reason to close or delete it. Don't give me another reason.

Got it?

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

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08 Feb 2010 at 15:34 - 396

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killed u man

Do not post links to outside websites containing bots. Do not post names of websites containing bots. Blur out all names, including guild tags, in any pictures posted. Thank you.

And as a final note I would like to say:

If no reply is being made (Both on wiki, here or from Guild Wars), I WILL make said bots public. The interrupt bot is already publicly available, but that's only the start. If you guys don't care, I don't care either, and every PvP'er will be abusing those bots...

Now Killed you violated the very thing you posted on your OP.

Also believe that the "final note" portion is in progress on the other site.

+1 for closure....

Killed u man

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

08 Feb 2010 at 15:38 - 397

Lol, so in essence:

Bots aren't officially regarded as a problem on guru, untill their existence has been proven, but we can't proof it?

I dind't even post a link, I didn't even post the full name.

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

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08 Feb 2010 at 16:01 - 398

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killed u man

Lol, so in essence:

Bots aren't officially regarded as a problem on guru, untill their existence has been proven, but we can't proof it?

I dind't even post a link, I didn't even post the full name.

I think guru made it clear they cannot post all the bot info here, since it will affect their status. The fact this thread is still here is acknowledgement of the issue. Guru is not the problem.

ANET cannot fix it either. Years of bots has proven that. That leaves reporting and banning, but hard to do when you can take over the bot at any time. Only the most obvious ones will be banned....

Kattar

EXCESSIVE FLUTTERCUSSING

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SMS (lolgw2placeholder)

Me/

08 Feb 2010 at 16:05 - 399

Quote:

Bots aren't officially regarded as a problem on guru, untill their existence has been proven, but we can't proof it?

No one, other than Martin and that's not really what he meant anyway, is saying there isn't a problem with bots in Guild Wars.

Quote:

I think guru made it clear they cannot post all the bot info here, since it will affect their status. The fact this thread is still here is acknowledgement of the issue. Guru is not the problem.

This. We will not be the platform for people to find such information and thus violate the terms of agreement for Guild Wars. There's no secret conspiracy going on here. Guru is not an evil empire bent on destroying Guild Wars. I could care less. But I, personally, will not allow anyone to taint this website with any such information.

Quote:

I dind't even post a link, I didn't even post the full name.

You posted more than enough to find a website. If I posted GuildWarsGuru as a source, every one would know how to find it, even if I didn't post the ".com" on the end.

Killed u man

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

08 Feb 2010 at 16:07 - 400

My friend (who makes bots) says they can be easily detected if they wanted to.

And no, personally PM'ing Anet is one of the worst things you can do, as the example with my friend has proven, you're likely to get banned yourself simply for notifying them through email...