Botters in PvP (Preventive actions for RBR)
X Ghoul
Its already apparent in gvg, slowly creeping into ha, and now is going into RA. Once all the casual pvp'ers (ie. pve'ers) see this problem in RA we wont see any /care from anet which is a shame.
Trader of Secrets
Yeah true that all games have bots no matter what, but wouldnt it be better if they actually did something about it, temp bans/permabans/watever. How hard can it be to actually spot a bot.
Axel Zinfandel
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Originally Posted by Braxton619
First of all, all games have bots. WoW has a ton of bots and other games as well.
I don't care too much about bots. You know there going to show up... why care about it? Stop being a baby about it. |
Lord Dagon
yea pve bots arent a problem(i dont see why anet would even ban ppl that use them in pve (i would use them if i knew w/ my luck i would get a perma ban))
but in pvp if ur a caster u cant even get a 1/4 second spell off w/out being interupted. So yea it would be nice if they did somehting about the pvp bots.. but just let the ppl use it them in pve.. this would provide a balanced way to play right?
thats jsut my opinion : pvp+ no bots at all
pve= you can use bots if u want but u dont have to.(would be nice if you could w/out the fear of getting permabanned forever ;p)
but in pvp if ur a caster u cant even get a 1/4 second spell off w/out being interupted. So yea it would be nice if they did somehting about the pvp bots.. but just let the ppl use it them in pve.. this would provide a balanced way to play right?
thats jsut my opinion : pvp+ no bots at all
pve= you can use bots if u want but u dont have to.(would be nice if you could w/out the fear of getting permabanned forever ;p)
Hyperventilate
Personally, I feel you can't have a double standard. "Bots in PVP are bad, m'kay!" immediately followed by, "But bots in PVE are perfectly alright! 
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You don't get both, you either hate them or you like them. I think anyone who has used any sort of bot deserves a permaban, but that's unlikely to happen. The only thing you can really do is build around them. Expect the bots and try to take measures to counter them.
Arenanet doesn't seem to particularly care about the bots (Or else a lot of them would be gone), but not much we can do as humble players.
You don't get both, you either hate them or you like them. I think anyone who has used any sort of bot deserves a permaban, but that's unlikely to happen. The only thing you can really do is build around them. Expect the bots and try to take measures to counter them.
Arenanet doesn't seem to particularly care about the bots (Or else a lot of them would be gone), but not much we can do as humble players.
Karate Jesus
Sadly, Anet doesn't care about PvP botting. I hate to say it so bluntly, but it's the truth. There have been bots in JQ and FA for almost 2 years now, and there's never been anything done about it. Only now, that other people are starting to notice the spike bots, interrupt bots, festival bots, etc. are people caring. Which is stupid.
Botting has been a problem for a while and nothing has ever been done about it. Why would they fix it now?
Botting has been a problem for a while and nothing has ever been done about it. Why would they fix it now?
Missmelady
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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus
Sadly, Anet doesn't care about PvP botting. I hate to say it so bluntly, but it's the truth. There have been bots in JQ and FA for almost 2 years now, and there's never been anything done about it. Only now, that other people are starting to notice the spike bots, interrupt bots, festival bots, etc. are people caring. Which is stupid.
Botting has been a problem for a while and nothing has ever been done about it. Why would they fix it now? |
I believe the reason that people are caring about the bots now is because its more then a handful of people using them. Since qq forums has started to post links and such and guides for how to use these bots everyone and there mother have downloaded them. Pretty soon just to stay competetive in any form of pvp everyone that pvps will have to be running a bot.
Again as stated the only reason people are caring now is because the bots are now more widely available and known.
Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by Missmelady
Again as stated the only reason people are caring now is because the bots are now more widely available and known.
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Like I said, if Anet cared, they would have done something.
Tearz1993
my biggest issue is the lack of recognition that they're there from ANet.
tlee
can't beat them? join them.. Personally, i don't care much about bots in any game... As long as i still get to play my game, i'm all good..
lemming
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Originally Posted by Missmelady
I believe the reason that people are caring about the bots now is because its more then a handful of people using them. Since qq forums has started to post links and such and guides for how to use these bots everyone and there mother have downloaded them. Pretty soon just to stay competetive in any form of pvp everyone that pvps will have to be running a bot.
Again as stated the only reason people are caring now is because the bots are now more widely available and known. |
Nerel
I'm still stunned by people openly supporting the use of bots in the game, congratulations on your ethically challenged gamer awards... then you look at the guild tags, oh, I'm not RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing surprised anymore. Go play The Sims, seriously.
Zehnchu
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Originally Posted by Nerel
I'm still stunned by people openly supporting the use of bots in the game, congratulations on your ethically challenged gamer awards... then you look at the guild tags, oh, I'm not RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing surprised anymore. Go play The Sims, seriously.
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There have been several huge bot bans then factions and more bots and we continued on reporting the old way before the /report option. After that update we the players over worked the Anet team handling all these reports. And then there's the pvp penalty that was also added at the same time.
And there was a very long debate over the /report which doesn't need to be rehashed.
It's not that none of us stopped caring it's that we are sick of all the arguments over and over and over and over, what are you going to add that hasn't already been said over the past five years every three months. If you are to busy yourself to bother to take a screen shots and send it in to anet or use the /report then then you are just adding to the problem of not doing anything to combat bots. That's about as best of any us can do....just keep reporting them and on the next.
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h yeah87 days till new zomg bot thread
pumpkin pie
If ArenaNet is going to look into Bots in PvP, they better do something about sync in RA first 
Tullzinski
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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus
Like I said, if Anet cared, they would have done something.
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Even detection is an issue, the api is used in other programs that are OK with ANET and you cannot tell the difference between them.
Have you even looked at the program that is being used? Hell even Microsoft makes this thing easier to use. If you can stop it I bet you can become a wealthy man.
Trinity Fire Angel
Well... until Borat mentioned it in this thread, i had no idea that there were such things as interrupt bots. So i did some searching and found you can't name the bot either, the interrupt bot. I can;t name the site i found, but from what i read, ANet need to do a Game Revision.
I am a little disturbed after browsing the forums on this unnamed site and seeing the absolute number of hits and views on everything botting and injecting on all the different types of bots that exist, etc etc.
Teaseway on steriods.
I am a little disturbed after browsing the forums on this unnamed site and seeing the absolute number of hits and views on everything botting and injecting on all the different types of bots that exist, etc etc.
Teaseway on steriods.
StormX
Why was my comment deleted? Bots in the snowball arena count as pvp bots do they not? I kept getting teamed with the same bots last night, that coupled with the many synch groups made earning gamer points a huge pain in the ***. I know nobody cares about bots in anywhere other than in so called "high end" pvp, but I think I speak for many others when I say that these bots significantly detract from my enjoyment of the game.
bitchbar player
I was wondering is there also a cancel bot? Would be funny to run against an interupt bot.
Killed u man
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Originally Posted by bitchbar player
I was wondering is there also a cancel bot? Would be funny to run against an interupt bot.
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So every time a diversion is being cast on you, instead of having the interrupt bot using an "interrupt skill", you make it cancel your spell.
I know the interrupt bot, if you take away the artificial lag, can interrupt a 1/4s spell (even upwards to 6-7 fast casting, it can still get it if the bot has FC aswell), so it should be able to cancel your spells for you when "heavy interrupts" (Dshot, PD and PB) are getting used.
Tough this is only theorycrafting, I have not heard of such a cancel bot existing, but I do not see why it couldn't. Then offcourse comes the question: Interrupt bot vs Cancel bot, and you'll find that the interrupt bot still wins, simply because the Monk can not afford to cancel his spells. A monk cancelling his every spells means he's not going to prot/heal anyways, so the initial goal is still reached. (Which is to shutdown a Monk)
4thVariety
If somebody was to acquire the bot and send it to ArenaNet, then I am sure they could look into it. But only knowing a bot exists, does not help anybody.
Produce tangible proof and ArenaNet can act. Use your social hacking skills to get to the botters, point out observer mode matches, if somebody has battlefield awareness he should not have.
Even though all forums ban the posting of bot links and delete them, does not mean ArenaNet would not appreciate knowing about them. Just send a PM.
Produce tangible proof and ArenaNet can act. Use your social hacking skills to get to the botters, point out observer mode matches, if somebody has battlefield awareness he should not have.
Even though all forums ban the posting of bot links and delete them, does not mean ArenaNet would not appreciate knowing about them. Just send a PM.
Kattar
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Originally Posted by 4thVariety
If somebody was to acquire the bot and send it to ArenaNet, then I am sure they could look into it. But only knowing a bot exists, does not help anybody.
Produce tangible proof and ArenaNet can act. Use your social hacking skills to get to the botters, point out observer mode matches, if somebody has battlefield awareness he should not have. Even though all forums ban the posting of bot links and delete them, does not mean ArenaNet would not appreciate knowing about them. Just send a PM. |
They know what the bots are and how they work. They just can't fix them. That's why they're not saying anything.
Tullzinski
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Originally Posted by 4thVariety
If somebody was to acquire the bot and send it to ArenaNet, then I am sure they could look into it. But only knowing a bot exists, does not help anybody.
Produce tangible proof and ArenaNet can act. Use your social hacking skills to get to the botters, point out observer mode matches, if somebody has battlefield awareness he should not have. Even though all forums ban the posting of bot links and delete them, does not mean ArenaNet would not appreciate knowing about them. Just send a PM. |
ANET already has it, probably longer than most of us know. It is so bad that there is a bot for damn near everything. Hell they even have bots to do the SOS quest.
How do you provide proof when the "bot" operator can jump in at ANY time and take control. These bots can be used at will. They are not comparable to an AFK type bot and are much harder to lock down. It comes down to your word against the botters. And if you are wrong you can be banned for false reporting.
To rewrite the Guild Wars code to stop this plague is probably not in the cards, not worth it in the games life cycle, maybe another 1 and a half years left? Would be nice to stop but don't hold your breath.
Haha not taking that bet Kat!!! Bet there is a bot to take that bet though!
Firefly21
Warvic
LOL I decided to check how easy it is to get bots in this game. I used my brothers inactive account. I found a website with Snowball arena, snowball dominance, raptor farm bots and many MANY more. You only had to register to DL that stuff. I decided to search the botname on google, and found an an different download. Guess what? It worked lol. It was only to test it. But here is proof how easy it is to get an bot.
Reverend Dr
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Originally Posted by Killed u man
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You could create a bot that cancels certain skills you are using should *any* interrupt be used, however this will be extremely ping dependent. With 9 fastcast and very unreliable servers, this bot would not be able to reliably perform its function in this way.
However it should be possible to program a bot to read an interrupt bot's timing. After adjusting it for the interrupt bot you are facing, have a command to make this bot automatically cancel cast during the brief window that the interrupt bot uses the interrupt (which should be known if the cancel bot was adjusted correctly). What you'd end up with is a bot that has no advantage against human players (reliable cancel casting at the same exact time is not any more advantageous as regular cancel casting), but will always make the interrupt bot waste an interrupt.
Well that is until interrupt bot code gets updated to throw in a random amount of delay on the interrupt, which I'm honestly surprised they hadn't done already just to avoid looking like a bot.
Tullzinski
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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr
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LOL Guild Wars will soon be reduced to nothing but bots playing bots. Actual Humans will be few and far between. F%$@ it automate the whole damn game, and we can just log in from time to time to see what epeen item we got. Too bad noone will have anyone to show it too since all the humans will be gone.
sunec
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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr
Target for spells are not given to the clients, such the bot can determine that a spell was being cast, but not where. While a player turns to face a target, facing is also done server side; the client receives only the current direction of a player, player rotation is the client adjusting for multiple direction changes over time. While for several points it should be able to determine velocity of rotation and figure out landing position, this wouldn't be possible to determine and get a response in the time it takes for an interrupt to go off, nor would it always yield only only player as the target of the skill.
You could create a bot that cancels certain skills you are using should *any* interrupt be used, however this will be extremely ping dependent. With 9 fastcast and very unreliable servers, this bot would not be able to reliably perform its function in this way. However it should be possible to program a bot to read an interrupt bot's timing. After adjusting it for the interrupt bot you are facing, have a command to make this bot automatically cancel cast during the brief window that the interrupt bot uses the interrupt (which should be known if the cancel bot was adjusted correctly). What you'd end up with is a bot that has no advantage against human players (reliable cancel casting at the same exact time is not any more advantageous as regular cancel casting), but will always make the interrupt bot waste an interrupt. Well that is until interrupt bot code gets updated to throw in a random amount of delay on the interrupt, which I'm honestly surprised they hadn't done already just to avoid looking like a bot. |
Any action done by someone towards another player/monster is sent from the server including target information, which means the client knows at the start of each attack/skill cast who the target is. This is simply how it works.
Yuris Sayuri
You can easily test it by observing ur health while you're running around with 'self regeneration'. Your regeneration will instantly stop when an enemy/ally starts a skill with you as target.
Gigashadow
Rather than getting into an arms race against the bots, by trying to prevent them (good luck with that), they could just go for the ban approach.
Even now they could be silently collecting the list of all unexpected DLLs that have loaded into the Guild Wars process, and logging the DLL name and user name. A month from now, when they have identified which DLLs are bot DLLs, they could simply mass ban everyone who had bot12345.dll etc. loaded in the address space over the past month. Sure, it doesn't permanently solve the problem, but it gets rid of some of the botters, and puts the fear of future banwaves into anyone considering trying it in future.
Even now they could be silently collecting the list of all unexpected DLLs that have loaded into the Guild Wars process, and logging the DLL name and user name. A month from now, when they have identified which DLLs are bot DLLs, they could simply mass ban everyone who had bot12345.dll etc. loaded in the address space over the past month. Sure, it doesn't permanently solve the problem, but it gets rid of some of the botters, and puts the fear of future banwaves into anyone considering trying it in future.
OoO Rift OoO
Im 100% sure the bot .dll's are named "graphics.dll" not "bot1234.dll"
Having to scan the dlls is something anet wil have to do, but probably wont...
Having to scan the dlls is something anet wil have to do, but probably wont...
The Ghetto Prophet
Unfortunately, packets are packets - either script generated or from a keyboard.
It's pathetic that the top GvGers who always lectured us about honor were worse than pvers.
It's pathetic that the top GvGers who always lectured us about honor were worse than pvers.
Ferminator
If MS(Microsoft) owned this game. They would be dropping on the bot problem like a ton of f***ing bricks. Why isn't Anet?
Think about it, they own Xbox, which has a lot of very good fps games. They (hopefully) are extremely vigilant when it comes to botting/hacking etc because it is CHEATING ON A COMPETITIVE MULTI-PLAYER FORMAT.
Think about it, they own Xbox, which has a lot of very good fps games. They (hopefully) are extremely vigilant when it comes to botting/hacking etc because it is CHEATING ON A COMPETITIVE MULTI-PLAYER FORMAT.
pigdestroyer
I've ran into it more and more often in HA, so we decided to run one, we completely wiped a good team in matter of a couple of mins.
Tullzinski
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Originally Posted by Ferminator
If MS(Microsoft) owned this game. They would be dropping on the bot problem like a ton of f***ing bricks. Why isn't Anet?
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ROFL Microsoft PROMOTES it:
Developer support is available in the form of the Microsoft Windows SDK, providing documentation and tools necessary to build software based upon the Windows API and associated Windows technologies.
Kattar
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Shayne Hawke
I saw a page on an infamous forum today of a bot that was made for the purpose of beating other guilds assumed by them to be abusing other bots. And they also made a nice, boldface plea to the mods to not delete their thread, even though they admitted that botting is wrong.
I'm glad to see that some people are trying to stoop so low as to think they should be fighting fire with fire when they still realize flat out that they're ending up doing more harm than good. And the moderators of that infamous forum seem to be letting them get away with that too.
I'm glad to see that some people are trying to stoop so low as to think they should be fighting fire with fire when they still realize flat out that they're ending up doing more harm than good. And the moderators of that infamous forum seem to be letting them get away with that too.
Killed u man
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What is most fairest:
3 guilds farming every other guild using bots, pretty much winning exclusivly.
every guild using bots, bringing the playing field back on an equal level, albeit with bots.
That being said, I just asked my "man on the inside", and he said it is indeed possible to see if a spell is targetting you through code.
Not having asked more details, this is rather obvious, because as stated before, your health regen stops. This means that somewhere in the larger transfer of packets, there is one that states: "You're now being targetting by xx spell, stop regen"
Heck, it probably gives you the straightforwards information: "XX is casting XX spell on you"
But this is off-topic. My main point still is valid and stands.
Tough now with the pickup bot being wildly available, I find it funny how these botting guilds (and it's more than those I mentioned) still manage to out pick up certain members of my team botting. (I play fully legit, as I am not even capable of botting on this pc if I wanted to. -There's something wrong with my processor, it just freezes the second I inject into GW-)
What is most fairest:
3 guilds farming every other guild using bots, pretty much winning exclusivly.
every guild using bots, bringing the playing field back on an equal level, albeit with bots.
That being said, I just asked my "man on the inside", and he said it is indeed possible to see if a spell is targetting you through code.
Not having asked more details, this is rather obvious, because as stated before, your health regen stops. This means that somewhere in the larger transfer of packets, there is one that states: "You're now being targetting by xx spell, stop regen"
Heck, it probably gives you the straightforwards information: "XX is casting XX spell on you"
But this is off-topic. My main point still is valid and stands.
Tough now with the pickup bot being wildly available, I find it funny how these botting guilds (and it's more than those I mentioned) still manage to out pick up certain members of my team botting. (I play fully legit, as I am not even capable of botting on this pc if I wanted to. -There's something wrong with my processor, it just freezes the second I inject into GW-)
Kattar
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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke
I saw a page on an infamous forum today of a bot that was made for the purpose of beating other guilds assumed by them to be abusing other bots. And they also made a nice, boldface plea to the mods to not delete their thread, even though they admitted that botting is wrong.
I'm glad to see that some people are trying to stoop so low as to think they should be fighting fire with fire when they still realize flat out that they're ending up doing more harm than good. And the moderators of that infamous forum seem to be letting them get away with that too. |
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Shayne Hawke
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Originally Posted by Killed u man
Tough now with the pickup bot being wildly available, I find it funny how these botting guilds (and it's more than those I mentioned) still manage to out pick up certain members of my team botting. (I play fully legit, as I am not even capable of botting on this pc if I wanted to. -There's something wrong with my processor, it just freezes the second I inject into GW-)
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Tullzinski
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Originally Posted by Killed u man
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I find it funny how these botting guilds (and it's more than those I mentioned) still manage to out pick up certain members of my team botting. |
I guess it depends on how it is setup.
Too bad the "all rights reserved" section is cutting off the full glory of Jora's picture.