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Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

02 Mar 2010 at 09:05 - 481

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamWind

I admit to not having played the game recently, but let me get this straight:

They spent 5 months to make an obvious must-nerf even better at worst, and just a little bit worse at best? LOLROFLMAOCOPTERS!

And people wonder why I haven't played this game recently.

I saw the notes, then had to read them again.
And again. And again. And again.
Then I lol'd.

Dodged a pothole on the freeway, only to fly off the bridge.

Mokeiro

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2009

02 Mar 2010 at 10:04 - 482

Quote:

Originally Posted by dark4190

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I feel that without the ability to 600/smite with heros I will never 600/smite again (due to my lack of faith in other players).

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Easy fix for you: go play offline solo games, they say Oblivion is nice.

pinkeyflower

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2010

02 Mar 2010 at 10:11 - 483

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Dodged a pothole on the freeway, only to fly off the bridge.

Good analogy for this mess.

voids sleet

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2009

Ridirian Guides {RGA}

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02 Mar 2010 at 10:12 - 484

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mokeiro

Easy fix for you: go play offline solo games, they say Oblivion is nice.

might i suggest knights of the nine and shivering isles to go along with it

Test Me

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2008

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02 Mar 2010 at 10:48 - 485

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamWind

They spent 5 months to make an obvious must-nerf even better at worst, and just a little bit worse at best?

Valid question. I thought that they spend so much time because they needed to implement some new game mechanic to make SF more interesting (pretty sure RB was suggesting that). Instead they just changed numbers and texts and SF, SB, OF work like VoS only that you can still cast...

Gun Pierson

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Belgium

PIMP

Mo/

02 Mar 2010 at 11:09 - 486

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mokeiro

go play offline solo games, they say Oblivion is nice.

Are you relatively new to GW? Because GW ALWAYS catered to solo farmers too.

'ArenaNet tries to keep the game fun for everyone while still providing fun and rewarding play for solo farmers.'

Source: dev update from 2007 (that's almost 3 years ago btw).
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Devel...dates/20070420

sportacus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2008

Burninating the countryside

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02 Mar 2010 at 13:30 - 487

My view on this whole situation, is if you're going to make SF still viable, what's wrong with adding minor buffs to skills like Vow of Silence?

Operations

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2007

Saint Louis, MI (yes, it exists)

Pylons of Bastet [PofB]

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02 Mar 2010 at 16:26 - 488

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Originally Posted by Ecomancer

One could say that I am simply ranting, but look at the way the skills work and their requirements. OB Smash requires 5 energy, deals additional damage and inflicts dazed for a maximum 8 seconds if foe is knocked down.
Compare this to Skull Crack. Its an ELITE attack, requires 9 adrenaline, inflicts daze for 10 seconds maximum but foe needs to be casting a spell. Now it wouldn't have been such an issue if this stupid skill were non elite. But the fact that it is an elite skill and DEALS no additional damage it is one of the most absurd if not idiotic skill ANET have conjured up.

No, you're not ranting. I've noticed the same thing with some Ele skills.

For example, compare Searing Flames to Rodgort's Invocation. To get a similar effect of RI, you must cast SF twice. That's 25 vs 30 energy. The main difference is SF just burns a little longer. It not really worth the elite slot. If they just combined the two effects into one (making it, in essence, an Elite RI) then I could see it.

Meridon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2008

Funny Business Inc [FBI]

02 Mar 2010 at 16:37 - 489

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Originally Posted by Operations

It not really worth the elite slot.

Searing Flames causes no exhaustion, effectively costs only 5 energy with 14 Fire Attunement and 13 Energy Storage, is spammable, has a short activation time, doubles as a great way to cover conditions with it's huge duration, has increased potential with several copies in the team, and most important of all, synergizes incredibly well with pretty much any other Fire Magic skill.

Yes Searing Flames is worth the Elite slot. In fact, in PvE comparison to many other Ele elites, it's worth the elite slot 10 times over.

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

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02 Mar 2010 at 16:41 - 490

Quote:

Originally Posted by Operations

No, you're not ranting. I've noticed the same thing with some Ele skills.

For example, compare Searing Flames to Rodgort's Invocation. To get a similar effect of RI, you must cast SF twice. That's 25 vs 30 energy. The main difference is SF just burns a little longer. It not really worth the elite slot. If they just combined the two effects into one (making it, in essence, an Elite RI) then I could see it.

SF is a perfect skill for few people using it at the same time. Cast time is 1 second instead of 2, and recharge is 2 seconds instead of 8. So in the time you cast 4 SFs, you can cast only two RFs, ignoring the cast time.

Morphy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2009

The Netherlands

Not going to keep up with that anymore

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02 Mar 2010 at 17:01 - 491

Searing Flames promotes casterspikes. I'm sorry, why did you bring this up again?

reaper with no name

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2009

FaZ

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02 Mar 2010 at 17:30 - 492

I feel I owe Anet an apology.

No, not for my assertions that their priorities for buffing are mixed up (Mesmers, dervs, and rangers all needed buffs more than tactics and non-spirit ritualists). Not for my worries that Demonic Flesh will be overpowered in the hands of HB+WA warriors (jury's still out on that one).

One of my primary worries about the preliminary update notes was that the buff to Fear Me would be a huge boon to scythe warriors (a build so good at what it does already that some would argue it makes using a dervish meaningless), possibly to the point that it would make even scythe sins obsolete.

Well, I finally got around to doing the math, and it turns out that a scythe warrior using Fear Me is actually less effective. The reason is that although their crit rate is certainly higher, they have to drop an attack skill in order to take it. The resulting loss of dps from that turns out to be greater than the added dps from the higher crit rate. The amount varies depending on attributes (at some spreads it's a pretty close race), but the scythe warrior appears to always be better off with an additional attack skill rather than Fear Me.

So, sorry for doubting you on that particular detail, anet.

Orry

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2010

02 Mar 2010 at 17:33 - 493

Quote:

Originally Posted by reaper with no name

I feel I owe Anet an apology.

No, not for my assertions that their priorities for buffing are mixed up (Mesmers, dervs, and rangers all needed buffs more than tactics and non-spirit ritualists). Not for my worries that Demonic Flesh will be overpowered in the hands of HB+WA warriors (jury's still out on that one).

One of my primary worries about the preliminary update notes was that the buff to Fear Me would be a huge boon to scythe warriors (a build so good at what it does already that some would argue it makes using a dervish meaningless), possibly to the point that it would make even scythe sins obsolete.

Well, I finally got around to doing the math, and it turns out that a scythe warrior using Fear Me is actually less effective. The reason is that although their crit rate is certainly higher, they have to drop an attack skill in order to take it. The resulting loss of dps from that turns out to be greater than the added dps from the higher crit rate. The amount varies depending on attributes (at some spreads it's a pretty close race), but the scythe warrior appears to always be better off with an additional attack skill rather than Fear Me.

So, sorry for doubting you on that particular detail, anet.

They lowered the percentages since the preliminary notes, didn't they? This may be a reason why.

reaper with no name

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2009

FaZ

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02 Mar 2010 at 17:49 - 494

Huh. I thought so too, but figured it might have been my imagination.

Good. Then it's likely they were listening. This bodes well, considering that they also decided in the end not to buff Steelfang Slash.

Of course, if that's true then it means they probably were doing the math too, because on some of those attribute spreads, it was pretty close (like within 3 dps or so).

Now, if they would only fix dervishes and mesmers...

Lithril Ashwalker

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2008

Alabama

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02 Mar 2010 at 20:04 - 495

everyone i see in towns are tanking with shadowform. even eles with their new update to obby flesh are abusing it. correct me if im wrong, but didn't everyone hate shadowform? isnt this hypocritical?

Cuilan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2008

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02 Mar 2010 at 20:05 - 496

My mesmer can perma again. It's like Ursan, but for running and tanking!

afya

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/Me

02 Mar 2010 at 20:25 - 497

oh, post is moved
lemme reply again
Anet forgot why OF has -speed, why BU is 20% instead of 25%, why VoS can't cast spell, why cant perma SB.
I wouldnt say thats a nerf.

Lithril Ashwalker

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2008

Alabama

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02 Mar 2010 at 20:51 - 498

its kinda of really hypocritical, sure im happy that every profession can be used now and sins arent hogging all glory, but, its kind of ...gee...pathetic to say shadow form users suck, then nerf...shadowform rocks my mes uses it ~.~]

its like everyone h8s anet then when they buff or nerf something they are aww i love you anet ...yeah...you like that dont ya... its pathetic.

reaper with no name

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2009

FaZ

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02 Mar 2010 at 21:47 - 499

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker

everyone i see in towns are tanking with shadowform. even eles with their new update to obby flesh are abusing it. correct me if im wrong, but didn't everyone hate shadowform? isnt this hypocritical?

Depends on why they hated SF in the past.

If, for example, they were like me and hated it because it made playing other professions pointless, then one could easily justify the use of it now, since now all professions can join in.

There are problems with this idea, of course, but I won't go into them because I still don't use SF and it was just an example.

Rest assured, though, there are hypocrites on both sides of the aisle on this one.

Ghost Dog

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

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02 Mar 2010 at 21:55 - 500

Im no hypocrite, I'm still tired of impatient children chomping at the bit to abuse a game they were 2-3 years late to, yet have more stuff then the people that did it the real way and have quit long ago.

They can RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO off.

dark4190

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

IGN: Serial Experiments

Farm people, not drops

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03 Mar 2010 at 08:24 - 501

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mokeiro

Easy fix for you: go play offline solo games, they say Oblivion is nice.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dark4190

I feel that without the ability to 600/smite with heros I will never 600/smite again (due to my lack of faith in other players).

I feel my ability to move around and command heros is more convenient and effective than some human players. I didn't say I didn't like playing with people.. I just don't like banking on them to do _anything_ on my runs.

Master Mayhem

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

Mo/

03 Mar 2010 at 16:20 - 502

Dear A-Net

You have completely destroyed my monk so go fudge yourself. I am unable to do 600/smite with my heroes because of the fudgin nerf, I ONLY USED IT FOR VANQUISHING ONLY FOR FUDGE SAKE NOT FARMING! You nerf the 600 but not the fudgin shadow form. Now every profession can use Shadow form and its much uber than before.

Please nerf Shadow form just how you nerfd my beloved 600 n smite boon.

Thank you.

The-Bigz

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2010

Cause you think I troll doesn't make my point less valid

We Roll Pros [POD]

A/W

03 Mar 2010 at 16:21 - 503

God forbid you must change hero builds or change holy wrath on your bar. Hint hint.

Edit: Master Mayhems thread got moved here which I replied to, which caused bump. I did not necro week old flame thread.

FyrFytr998

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Connecticut USA

[ITPR]

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03 Mar 2010 at 21:24 - 504

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master Mayhem

Dear A-Net

You have completely destroyed my monk so go fudge yourself. I am unable to do 600/smite with my heroes because of the fudgin nerf, I ONLY USED IT FOR VANQUISHING ONLY FOR FUDGE SAKE NOT FARMING! You nerf the 600 but not the fudgin shadow form. Now every profession can use Shadow form and its much uber than before.

Please nerf Shadow form just how you nerfd my beloved 600 n smite boon.

Thank you.

600/Smite is doable if you can body block correctly. Even with a hero. Then again I've only been doing it for UW, so I can't say how it fairs in other areas. Granted it is no longer set it and forget it like it was before, and adds a little more time.

Rampage

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

04 Mar 2010 at 04:25 - 505

Dear ANet:

Get a clue.

Damn Rock Gin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2010

04 Mar 2010 at 05:43 - 506

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rampage

Dear ANet:

Get a clue.

That is exactly Anets problem, they have never had a clue. It never seems to fail, players enjoying the game, THE WAY THEY LIKE TO, not the way some of these elitist snobs think they should enjoy enjoy the game, then they whine to Anet here on the forums, and Anet seems to always think that the few elitists here represent the vast majority of all GW players, so Anet happily nerfs the hell out of our builds. When will they be happy? Probably after everyone has left the game because they have had their enjoyment taken away, then the elitist snobs will be happy, and, in Anets eyes they will have FIXED the game.

reaper with no name

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2009

FaZ

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04 Mar 2010 at 06:04 - 507

If one's enjoyment comes from breaking the game in half, then they shouldn't be playing an online game to begin with; they should go find a toy store, buy some legos, and build their own little world, where they are God and everything always goes their way.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, necessarily, but in games like this there are things like balance and challenge to worry about. In every game that exists these are fundamental concepts used to measure the quality of a game and it's ability to provide fun. God mode has no place.

Rampage

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

04 Mar 2010 at 08:32 - 508

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damn Rock Gin

That is exactly Anets problem, they have never had a clue. It never seems to fail, players enjoying the game, THE WAY THEY LIKE TO, not the way some of these elitist snobs think they should enjoy enjoy the game, then they whine to Anet here on the forums, and Anet seems to always think that the few elitists here represent the vast majority of all GW players, so Anet happily nerfs the hell out of our builds. When will they be happy? Probably after everyone has left the game because they have had their enjoyment taken away, then the elitist snobs will be happy, and, in Anets eyes they will have FIXED the game.

What you have to understand is this:

Skills like shadow form do not have a place in online games.
The ability to clear end game areas in 8 minutes does not have a place in online games.

The problem isn't ANet nerfing these broken skills, it's ANet allowing them in the game in the first place. None of you would be whining if there was never a speed clear. None of you would be whining if there was never a skill that made you invincible to the majority of enemies in PvE. ANet screwed up, and because of that people like you think you deserve whatever you want.

Do you believe there should be an iWin button in this game, that whenever you press it you beat whatever area you're in? I'm going to assume no. If you agree with me there, than you must agree that there should be some balance in this game. If you agree that there should be some balance in this game, then you should see why ANet is doing what they're doing. If you don't see that, it's because you're a blind fanboy who doesn't give a shit about actually playing the game as opposed to using broken builds to get your e-gold.

If you honestly think anyone who wants clearly broken skills that do not belong in this game elitists, I'll ask you to go play hello kitty island adventure, because you clearly don't know anything about quality online games. At the end of the day, GW is just like any other online RPG. Do you see any of those games with a single skill that allows you to be invincible to everything around you? No, because other companies aren't dumb.

Also, in b4 you calling me an elitist for looking at things from a logical point of view instead of a 'I bought this game so I should have the ability to do what I want in a retarded amount of time because I can only play 15 minutes a day' point of view. Don't blame the 'elitists' for ruining your 'fun', blame ANet for allowing you to have the 'fun' that should have never been in this game.

ANet didn't ruin this game, the shit community did. Most of you must have played a lot of harvest moon, considering all you care about is farming.

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Event Organiser and IRC Tiger

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04 Mar 2010 at 08:43 - 509

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rampage

What you have to understand is this:

Skills like shadow form do not have a place in online games.
The ability to clear end game areas in 8 minutes does not have a place in online games.

The problem isn't ANet nerfing these broken skills, it's ANet allowing them in the game in the first place. None of you would be whining if there was never a speed clear. None of you would be whining if there was never a skill that made you invincible to the majority of enemies in PvE. ANet screwed up, and because of that people like you think you deserve whatever you want.

Do you believe there should be an iWin button in this game, that whenever you press it you beat whatever area you're in? I'm going to assume no. If you agree with me there, than you must agree that there should be some balance in this game. If you agree that there should be some balance in this game, then you should see why ANet is doing what they're doing. If you don't see that, it's because you're a blind fanboy who doesn't give a shit about actually playing the game as opposed to using broken builds to get your e-gold.

If you honestly think anyone who wants clearly broken skills that do not belong in this game elitists, I'll ask you to go play hello kitty island adventure, because you clearly don't know anything about quality online games. At the end of the day, GW is just like any other online RPG. Do you see any of those games with a single skill that allows you to be invincible to everything around you? No, because other companies aren't dumb.

Also, in b4 you calling me an elitist for looking at things from a logical point of view instead of a 'I bought this game so I should have the ability to do what I want in a retarded amount of time because I can only play 15 minutes a day' point of view. Don't blame the 'elitists' for ruining your 'fun', blame ANet for allowing you to have the 'fun' that should have never been in this game.

ANet didn't ruin this game, the shit community did. Most of you must have played a lot of harvest moon, considering all you care about is farming.

Are you calling Hello Kitty Island Adventure a bad game? Because if you are sir, then you sir, are an asshat.

Seriously though, quality post. This sums up the situation perfectly. If there never WAS ridiculous farming builds, no one would be complaining - as everyone would be used to running 8 man balanced teams.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

04 Mar 2010 at 08:56 - 510

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rampage

The problem isn't ANet nerfing these broken skills, it's ANet allowing them in the game in the first place. None of you would be whining if there was never a speed clear. None of you would be whining if there was never a skill that made you invincible to the majority of enemies in PvE. ANet screwed up, and because of that people like you think you deserve whatever you want.

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ANet didn't ruin this game, the shit community did. Most of you must have played a lot of harvest moon, considering all you care about is farming.

Pick one.
It will make more sense.

Rampage

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

04 Mar 2010 at 09:02 - 511

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

Pick one.
It will make more sense.

ANet screwing up and the community ruining the game are completely different stories. ANet screwed up by allowing such broken skills into the game, the community ruined the game by being whiny bitchy 8 year old kids with ADD. Every game company is going to screw up on something, they aren't Jesus, but not every game community is as shit as this one. I'd have to say that the GW community is almost as dumb as the RS community, which is a real hit in the balls.

Although I did word that pretty poorly. What I meant to say is the community ruined this game more than ANet did.

Shasgaliel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2008

[bomb]

04 Mar 2010 at 09:41 - 512

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rampage

ANet screwing up and the community ruining the game are completely different stories. ANet screwed up by allowing such broken skills into the game, the community ruined the game by being whiny bitchy 8 year old kids with ADD. Every game company is going to screw up on something, they aren't Jesus, but not every game community is as shit as this one. I'd have to say that the GW community is almost as dumb as the RS community, which is a real hit in the balls.

Although I did word that pretty poorly. What I meant to say is the community ruined this game more than ANet did.

QFT I agree with content of both your posts. I would just add that RMT and the amount of people buying gold from them did some mole work too. Amount of hacks was just enormous. Actually would there be so much RMTs if there was no easy farming?

Orry

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2010

04 Mar 2010 at 12:05 - 513

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenix

Are you calling Hello Kitty Island Adventure a bad game? Because if you are sir, then you sir, are an asshat.

Seriously though, quality post. This sums up the situation perfectly. If there never WAS ridiculous farming builds, no one would be complaining - as everyone would be used to running 8 man balanced teams.

He was obviously telling them to go see what a quality game looks like before they make judgements about this one.

M @ T

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2006

South of heaven

S E X Y Shinigami[SEXY]

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04 Mar 2010 at 12:11 - 514

After reading the first 12 pages all I saw was discussions on Perma, 600,SW and ES animation. I can't be arsed to read more but I would like to say that there are other skills which have been changed and means that we are going to have a new meta here. SW has already been used in HA for instance like mentioned be4. BB Wars are used too now.

And, no more SA Rangers, BS eles and VoR mes with Pious Concentration, PB is hurt, Primal rage is meh.

Mark of Fury will come into play, maby Charge too on runners, hammer Wars are gonna have a party in general, not because of Earfshakur only apparently.

And all that just came into mind, there are seriously so many more, don't just discuss permas and 600s and whatever ffs.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

04 Mar 2010 at 12:19 - 515

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rampage

ANet screwing up and the community ruining the game are completely different stories. ANet screwed up by allowing such broken skills into the game, the community ruined the game by being whiny bitchy 8 year old kids with ADD. Every game company is going to screw up on something, they aren't Jesus, but not every game community is as shit as this one. I'd have to say that the GW community is almost as dumb as the RS community, which is a real hit in the balls.

Although I did word that pretty poorly. What I meant to say is the community ruined this game more than ANet did.

The community used the sad state of the game that A.Net created. Maybe even abused the state - but that speaks even more about how A.Net dropped the ball regarding their ability to fix crap.
A.Net failed. And it's in no way the obligation of the community to pick up the pieces and help them get up.

Shuuda

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guildless

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04 Mar 2010 at 13:04 - 516

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

The community used the sad state of the game that A.Net created. Maybe even abused the state - but that speaks even more about how A.Net dropped the ball regarding their ability to fix crap.
A.Net failed. And it's in no way the obligation of the community to pick up the pieces and help them get up.

So in other words, you're sort of like people who go looting when there's a disaster?

Yes, Anet messed up. But in no way does that entitle you to whinge when they try and fix their mistake.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

04 Mar 2010 at 13:22 - 517

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shuuda

So in other words, you're sort of like people who go looting when there's a disaster?

Yes, Anet messed up. But in no way does that entitle you to whinge when they try and fix their mistake.

We do not have the right to demand that something is fixed or that something needs to be left alone. But we do have the right to bitch, to criticize, to praise or to even rage on the game.

As long as A.Net keeps up the "take it or leave it"-attitude, it can not be our fault when something goes wrong.

Shuuda

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guildless

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04 Mar 2010 at 13:54 - 518

Quote:

But we do have the right to bitch, to criticize, to praise or to even rage on the game.

Never said you didn't, so don't try that shit on me. But you're not just criticizing or praising, you're basically acting as if Anet shouldn't fix mistakes because you benefited from them. If you take advantage of something that was never meant to be, a backlash in inevitable.

It's easy to blame Anet for everything without accepting your own fault in the matter.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

04 Mar 2010 at 14:05 - 519

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shuuda

Never said you didn't, so don't try that shit on me. But you're not just criticizing or praising, you're basically acting as if Anet shouldn't fix mistakes because you benefited from them. If you take advantage of something that was never meant to be, a backlash in inevitable.

It's easy to blame Anet for everything without accepting your own fault in the matter.

Everything that players suggest needs to go through A.Net and A.Net needs to implement it.
Which means that everything that ends up in the game is there because A.Net wants it to be there. Or at least because they do not oppose it being there.

When the players get the tools to implement changes on our own, then we will be responsible for those changes. Until then, it's A.Net's fault when something goes wrong and it's their moment of glory when things go right.
Seriously, if you are going to blame the players for the crap that happens, give us a share of the profit from the things that go right!

Shuuda

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guildless

Me/

04 Mar 2010 at 14:21 - 520

Quote:

Everything that players suggest needs to go through A.Net and A.Net needs to implement it.

Why? Most players don't have a clue on how to run, develop or improve a game. Most are also self-serving, in that they'll only make suggestions for purely their benefit. I dread to think what this game would be like if people like you had their way.

Quote:

Until then, it's A.Net's fault when something goes wrong and it's their moment of glory when things go right.
Seriously, if you are going to blame the players for the crap that happens, give us a share of the profit from the things that go right!

My goodness, is your vision so black and white? I'll repeat, shall I?

If you take advantage of something that was never meant to be, a backlash is inevitable.

Do you understand what I'm trying to tell you here?