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Kaleban

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26 Mar 2010 at 21:14 - 121

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Originally Posted by Yelling @ Cats

That's a lot of typing to just call me a liar.

Not once in my post did I imply you were lieing, just that you're simply misinformed and base your arguments on terrible premises.

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I'll respond to your last post. If ANet could magically hit a button, and everything was perfect? Yeah, it would be great. However, there's far more important things that I care about than making Maguuma drop ectos.

And yet you've offered no constructive ideas to the contrary. You've basically decided to hold your breath until everyone agrees with you. As for the more important things, what is the likelihood they'll be addressed? For that matter the likelihood of my idea? Even if its a snowball's chance in hell, you can't argue that the idea has merit and is needed, as others have show with their drop stories.

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As for barren outposts being repopulated? You are just absolutely naive if you think that is even remotely true.

How is it naive? If you agree that people are reward motivated, then balancing rewards in all areas means people that would like to play elsewhere other than the UW but can't lure themselves away from ecto drops, could finally break their addiction.

If on the other hand you believe that people are not reward motivated, and that they only play areas they want to, then nothing ANet could do would change the state of the game, as those barren areas are that way due to player choice.

The bottom line is, whether ANet makes a change or not, it can only be a positive change for the community at large, regardless of how YOU play.

Yelling @ Cats

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26 Mar 2010 at 23:01 - 122

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Originally Posted by Kaleban

Not once in my post did I imply you were lieing, just that you're simply misinformed and base your arguments on terrible premises.

And yet you've offered no constructive ideas to the contrary. You've basically decided to hold your breath until everyone agrees with you. As for the more important things, what is the likelihood im retarded they'll be addressed? For that matter the likelihood of my idea? Even if its a snowball's chance in hell, you can't argue that the idea has merit and is needed, as others have show with their drop stories.

How is it naive? If you agree that people are reward motivated, then balancing rewards in all areas means people that would like to play elsewhere other than the UW but can't lure themselves away from ecto drops, could finally break their addiction.

If on the other hand you believe that people are not reward motivated, and that they only play areas they want to, im retarded then nothing ANet could do would change the state of the game, as those barren areas are that way due to player choice.

The bottom line is, whether ANet makes a change or not, it can only be a positive change for the community at large, regardless of how YOU play.

You greatly overestimate rewards in this game tbh

Do you REALLY think 95% of the game is empty because "rewards suck"? Do you really think that's what it is?

Kaleban

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27 Mar 2010 at 00:09 - 123

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Originally Posted by Yelling @ Cats

You greatly overestimate rewards in this game tbh

Do you REALLY think 95% of the game is empty because "rewards suck"? Do you really think that's what it is?

LOL!

Now I see where the disconnect is. No, I don't think the lack of players in the whole game is a result of bad rewards, although it may have some small overall effect. The game needs fresh blood and ideas if it is to attract a larger playerbase. Or like Diablo 2 and Starcraft, with sequels on the horizon many have gone back to playing to "set the tone."

What I've tried to explain is that for the current population of GW, the lack of decent rewards throughout most of the game discourages those who might otherwise play in non-elite areas from doing so, instead spending their gaming time in "profitable" areas such as UW and DoA.

As I've said, if ANet scales up the reward balance such that other areas are AS profitable on a per unit time basis as the exclusively popular areas, that it will encourage players both old and new to play more of the game.

And its not even that difficult of a fix! Tweaking a few numbers in the loot system, or dropping loot scaling entirely is much easier than spending six months on a skill balance that doesn't even deliver what was promised.

After this I'm done arguing with you. I've laid out my points concisely and logically, and if you still insist on just being obstinate, then there is no point.

Yelling @ Cats

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27 Mar 2010 at 02:27 - 124

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Originally Posted by Kaleban

What I've tried to explain is that for the current population of GW, the lack of decent rewards throughout most of the game discourages those who might otherwise play in non-elite areas from doing so, instead spending their gaming time in "profitable" areas such as UW and DoA.

This is just simply wrong.

I have never once, in my entire history of playing GLB, heard someone say "Well, I really want to do the Frost Gate mission, but the rewards aren't good enough compared to DoA".

Never, not a single time. Has anyone? Anyone (besides Kaleban because we know what his answer will be) reading this thread heard guildies bummed out because they wanted to do mid-game stuff but it wasn't "rewarding" enough?

People don't want to do mid-game stuff because it is boring as f*ck, not because they don't have a chance of an ecto.

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27 Mar 2010 at 04:26 - 125

KK, finished Legendary skill hunter today. Bet you'er all just itching for a big list of all the various goodies I got. OK, with no further delay, here is the list of greens, golds and other rare items I got from the bosses I killed in Tyria, Cantha and Elona:

1. Green | Shield | Churkeh's Defiance.

What do you think? Impressive list eh?!

Nope. There is absolutely nothing wrong or deterring about the general state of loot drops throughout the 3 continents of the Guild Wars universe. With drops like those, I can't wait to get back to the keyboard to get stuck in, and FARM MY GUTS OUT!

Yep. That's what I'm gonna do now. I've got my title, and my Rainbow Phoenix and I'm gonna farm til my fingers bleed, but I'm sure I'll take time out here and there to go play just for the fun of it, cause that's just Cool For Cats.

Turbo.

Yelling @ Cats

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27 Mar 2010 at 05:00 - 126

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Originally Posted by Turbo Ginsu

KK, finished Legendary skill hunter today. Bet you'er all just itching for a big list of all the various goodies I got. OK, with no further delay, here is the list of greens, golds and other rare items I got from the bosses I killed in Tyria, Cantha and Elona:

1. Green | Shield | Churkeh's Defiance.

What do you think? Impressive list eh?!

Nope. There is absolutely nothing wrong or deterring about the general state of loot drops throughout the 3 continents of the Guild Wars universe. With drops like those, I can't wait to get back to the keyboard to get stuck in, and FARM MY GUTS OUT!

Yep. That's what I'm gonna do now. I've got my title, and my Rainbow Phoenix and I'm gonna farm til my fingers bleed, but I'm sure I'll take time out here and there to go play just for the fun of it, cause that's just Cool For Cats.

Turbo.

Must have been difficult doing Legendary Skill Hunter without max weapons or armor.

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27 Mar 2010 at 05:03 - 127

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Originally Posted by Yelling @ Cats

Must have been difficult doing Legendary Skill Hunter without max weapons or armor.

Wow. Just wow. You're certainly a brain aren't you. Weapon was a green. I got it farming. Armor was AWESOME!!! And your point is? I'ma ignore you now and go back and farm all the stuff you don't care about. Because I do.

Cheers.

Yelling @ Cats

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27 Mar 2010 at 05:18 - 128

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Originally Posted by Turbo Ginsu

Wow. Just wow. You're certainly a brain aren't you. Weapon was a green. I got it farming. Armor was AWESOME!!! And your point is? I'ma ignore you now and go back and farm all the stuff you don't care about. Because I do.

Cheers.

I was merely compenting how you claimed you killed every boss in the game, and the only thing that dropped was a shield.

I mean, there's no way you could have afforded max armor with that, let alone a rune or a max damage weapon.

Or were you expecting fountains of ectos to fly out of the bosses asses? I'm just trying to make sense of what you are saying, tbh.

Yelling @ Cats

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27 Mar 2010 at 05:22 - 129

In fact, wouldn't the fact that you killed all of the bosses in the game, willingly, go to show that Failban's premise of "players only play content that drops lots of ectos" is completely false?

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27 Mar 2010 at 05:30 - 130

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Originally Posted by Yelling @ Cats

In fact, wouldn't the fact that you killed all of the bosses in the game, willingly, go to show that Failban's premise of "players only play content that drops lots of ectos" is completely false?

That was not his point. Never was. Witty insults using his name don't make that any less true either.

There was reward in it that I did all that grind for, sure. A rainbow Phoenix that you can't buy. Would I have gone to 95% of those areas for any other reason? NO F$#$#^ WAY!

See, I'd rather go to places where I can have fun whilst making a profit. For me personally, unless it's a rare occasion I get to play with my Guild, if fun and profit aren't both there, then neither am I. Doesn't make any sense.

If I wanted to play a game that was fun, but didn't have anything upgradeable or any other reason for playing other than fun, it'd be Day of Defeat, and I'd never look sideways at GW ever again.

Yelling @ Cats

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27 Mar 2010 at 05:36 - 131

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Originally Posted by Turbo Ginsu

NO F$#$#^ WAY!

Wait...

So you have no desire to go to mid-game places. Why?

Now, I know you have your hand way down Failbans pants because, well, you want more ectos...but try to think for a second. Is the only reason that you don't like doing those places because you don't get stacks of ectos, or is the reason you don't like doing those places because they are really f'ing boring?

Would you rather ANet spends time making ectos drop in Maguuma, or would you prefer ANet takes the time to actually make Maguuma fun without having to dangle an ecto-encrusted carrot in front of you?

Making ectos drop throughout the game is the same as forcing the triangle block through the square hole. Will it work? Possibly, but it is ass backwards and completely missing the point.

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27 Mar 2010 at 05:41 - 132

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Originally Posted by Yelling @ Cats

Wait...

So you have no desire to go to mid-game places. Why?

Now, I know you have your hand way down Failbans pants because, well, you want more ectos...but try to think for a second. Is the only reason that you don't like doing those places because you don't get stacks of ectos, or is the reason you don't like doing those places because they are really f'ing boring?

Would you rather ANet spends time making ectos drop in Maguuma, or would you prefer ANet takes the time to actually make Maguuma fun without having to dangle an ecto-encrusted carrot in front of you?

I like ecto, but the fact they don't drop in Maguuma etc, doesn't keep me away from there. The fact that nothing worth having drops there is what keeps me away.

If you spent less time trying to insert your single gun theory of "Pew-pew! More Ectoze!!" into everyones line of thought, perhaps you'd be better able to read what they actually are saying.

Yelling @ Cats

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27 Mar 2010 at 05:45 - 133

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Originally Posted by Turbo Ginsu

You sir, are a moron. I like ecto, but the fact they don't drop in Maguuma etc, doesn't keep me away from there. The fact that nothing worth having drops there is what keeps me away.

If you spent less time trying to insert your single gun theory of "Pew-pew! More Ectoze!!" into everyones line of thought, perhaps you'd be better able to read what they actually are saying.

I call troll. Same as last time u got yourself banned. Rofl, nice try. I suppose it's true that leopards never do change their spots, do they?

Anyone with a brain got anything intelligent to say?

Yes, I'm obviously trolling because I think the game needs more than ectos dropping everywhere.

PS: Nothing worth having drops anywhere. Nothing does any more damage or has any more armor than collector items.

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27 Mar 2010 at 11:17 - 134

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Originally Posted by Yelling @ Cats

Must have been difficult doing Legendary Skill Hunter without max weapons or armor.

I don't see how such an obviously wrong conclusion (you can simply upgrade items, or eventually buy them if maxed out gear did not drop) contributes to this discussion...

QueenofDeath

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27 Mar 2010 at 12:27 - 135

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and FARM MY GUTS OUT!

Is life so terrible an unfulfilling in your real world that you have to resort to this? What a waste of time and life. I'll be bowling, playing golf, tennis, raquet ball, swimming, lying on the sandy beach with a beautiful girl/woman drinking brewskie's and basking in the sun until dark and then and then and then......well I can't tell you then because mommy's would cry to Guru admin's that this person hurt her babies wittle mind.

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27 Mar 2010 at 12:39 - 136

I'm married with 4 kids...I think if I were to do any of those things, I'd no longer be married, and I'd prolly lose the kids into the bargain...

At least farming ToPK doesn't take hours of unbroken concentration, because getting leg skill hunter damn near got me castrated...

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27 Mar 2010 at 12:40 - 137

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Originally Posted by QueenofDeath

Is life so terrible an unfulfilling in your real world that you have to resort to this? What a waste of time and life. I'll be bowling, playing golf, tennis, raquet ball, swimming, lying on the sandy beach with a beautiful girl/woman drinking brewskie's and basking in the sun until dark and then and then and then......well I can't tell you then because mommy's would cry to Guru admin's that this person hurt her babies wittle mind.

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And then you wake up at the age of 90, the beautiful girl next to you can use her breasts for sharpening knives, your skin is wrinkled and you can't lie on the sun anymore due to the risk of stroking and you realize you've wasted your life as much as the person who played computer games.

Who cares about the road, if the end is the same for everyone in 9 out of 10 cases? Others end even earlier.

QueenofDeath

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27 Mar 2010 at 14:45 - 138

Ahhh but I have more and better REAL LIFE stories to tell what will you have to tell your grandchildren? Ohh Ohhh I farmed Guild Wars till my fingers bled isn't that a rewarding story children? hahahah Life is about living it and building a story not playing games all of it.

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27 Mar 2010 at 14:59 - 139

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Originally Posted by QueenofDeath

Ahhh but I have more and better REAL LIFE stories to tell what will you have to tell your grandchildren? Ohh Ohhh I farmed Guild Wars till my fingers bled isn't that a rewarding story children? hahahah Life is about living it and building a story not playing games all of it.

You presume far too much of people you've never met. I'm a legally certified mentally-disturbed type, and will be heavily medicated for the rest of my life because of it. My life story wouldn't be out of place in a bestselling thriller, or a testimonial on a victims of pedophiles and child-abusers web page.

-However-

That has nothing whatsoever to do with GW apart from the fact that it is one of the few places that I can find mental solace, and yes the reason I farm alone so much is that I'm really just not good to be around most of the time, and when I am, there's no telling how long it will last. I really hate airing dirty laundry at any rate, so without any further ado, let's get back to the topic, if we may.

Turbo.

Kaleban

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27 Mar 2010 at 15:01 - 140

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Originally Posted by QueenofDeath

Ahhh but I have more and better REAL LIFE stories to tell what will you have to tell your grandchildren? Ohh Ohhh I farmed Guild Wars till my fingers bled isn't that a rewarding story children? hahahah Life is about living it and building a story not playing games all of it.

Notice how you're comparing what's a more rewarding end result (stories for your children) and picking the more personally rewarding of the two?

Thanks for proving my point.

Oh and one more thing @Yelling but not Listening, this discussion has never been about ectos, that was simply one easy example, that simpletons tend to focus on. I'm not sure how you can say HM Maguuma or Crystal Desert is boring compared to UW, the gameplay is exactly the same. The only differences boil down to environmental graphics (what is prettier) and drops.

So what you're saying is its more fun to play in the same greenish black area where good stuff drops, as opposed to playing in multi-colored pretty areas where shit drops. So apart from the subjective artistic preferences of players, you're agreeing that the only motivator is the drops.

You need to get it through your thick skull, the gameplay is the same EVERYWHERE, whats different is the environment and loot. Your whole argument is moot anyways, since the inception of Zaishen missions that cause dead outposts to be active again every couple of months completely disproves your theory. But of course you'll come up with some fingers-in-your-ears argument... can't wait.

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27 Mar 2010 at 18:07 - 141

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Originally Posted by QueenofDeath

Ahhh but I have more and better REAL LIFE stories to tell what will you have to tell your grandchildren? Ohh Ohhh I farmed Guild Wars till my fingers bled isn't that a rewarding story children? hahahah Life is about living it and building a story not playing games all of it.

- Ohh, kids, let me tell you stories about the time I scored with 3 chicks at once...
- Sure thing, gramps, did you take your meds today?

Oh, no, you will be telling stories of how you were educating people on the Internet about their attachment to a video game.

...Seems to me like it's actually worse than playing the game. At least you would be doing something productive.

QueenofDeath

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27 Mar 2010 at 19:36 - 142

Hardly proved your point ole boy because you have no point other than an insignificant game of no value to life itself. But, you keep on living in your delusion that this game has some significant value other than throwing away time as that is what most 'simpletons' as you call them believe. You proved my point thank you.

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27 Mar 2010 at 20:01 - 143

Spending time having fun is not throwing it away IMO. Sure, you can choose to spend your time differently, but how is your choice any better than somebody else's choice? Let each make his/her own choice and be content for yourself and don't tell other people how to make those choices. Thanks.

Kaleban

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27 Mar 2010 at 20:08 - 144

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Originally Posted by QueenofDeath

Hardly proved your point ole boy because you have no point other than an insignificant game of no value to life itself. But, you keep on living in your delusion that this game has some significant value other than throwing away time as that is what most 'simpletons' as you call them believe. You proved my point thank you.

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And yet, ironically, you're spending your free time arguing about the insignificance of said game on an internet forum...

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27 Mar 2010 at 20:17 - 145

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Originally Posted by Kaleban

And yet, ironically, you're spending your free time arguing about the insignificance of said game on an internet forum...

I guess that is more rewarding for him than going out and building memories to tell to his/her grandchildren lol .

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28 Mar 2010 at 04:57 - 146

I'm not down with ecto dropping everywhere but agree that rewards should be changed a "little bit"

How about that thing Gun Pierson said about armor or item sets. The pieces to a set can drop anywhere in a given area within a campaign. Like, for Tyria there could be ascalonian/desert/shiverpeaks sets. The 5 piece ascalonian set can be obtained as "random" drops. Beginning after borlis pass, heading west then south down to Sanctum Kay. In any of those zones in between u have a chance to get a piece for that set.

Then the desert one has its zones. maybe including topk!.. you get the idea. Same for all three campaigns and Eotn. Eotn could include pieces related to some dungeons or the chance is a tiny bit higher to get a piece in a dungeon.

Thats one kind of incentivizing. Good for vanquishers/explorers/normal playthroughs.
On top of that Dungeons do need more incentive to invest the time to play them.
1 rare material at most/all weps max but with variable req still/an armor piece/5k.
Or, leave the chests the way they are and make killing the enemies in the dungeon a little more profitable overall. Just ideas.

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29 Mar 2010 at 20:53 - 147

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Originally Posted by (Datura)

I'm not down with ecto dropping everywhere but agree that rewards should be changed a "little bit"

How about that thing Gun Pierson said about armor or item sets. The pieces to a set can drop anywhere in a given area within a campaign. Like, for Tyria there could be ascalonian/desert/shiverpeaks sets. The 5 piece ascalonian set can be obtained as "random" drops. Beginning after borlis pass, heading west then south down to Sanctum Kay. In any of those zones in between u have a chance to get a piece for that set.

Then the desert one has its zones. maybe including topk!.. you get the idea. Same for all three campaigns and Eotn. Eotn could include pieces related to some dungeons or the chance is a tiny bit higher to get a piece in a dungeon.

Thats one kind of incentivizing. Good for vanquishers/explorers/normal playthroughs.
On top of that Dungeons do need more incentive to invest the time to play them.
1 rare material at most/all weps max but with variable req still/an armor piece/5k.
Or, leave the chests the way they are and make killing the enemies in the dungeon a little more profitable overall. Just ideas.

I've always liked the idea of "loot armor" as well, its a lot more incentive to get out and play then to farm for mats and then buy armor.

Sure, having armor "custom made" for your character may be more realistic, but so is going to a 9 to 5 job instead of slaying monsters.

I hope GW2 goes to the armor drop system, and perhaps reserves the "economy" and a possible auction house for crafting non-essential or cosmetic stuff. As in, we should have to adventure and quest for good loot, but can make all the doilies and doohickeys we want in town!

And yes, it would be exactly like WoW's system, in fact I would rather have the playerbase be the skilled crafters, such as armorsmiths and weaponsmiths and such, able to make "collector" level gear, with the uber skins and items reserved as end quest or end-boss drops.

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29 Mar 2010 at 21:28 - 148

Crafting = grind

It was specifically NOT added to GW because they wanted skill > time

That was when GW was good

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29 Mar 2010 at 23:15 - 149

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Crafting = grind

It was specifically NOT added to GW because they wanted skill > time

That was when GW was good

I'm confused. Isn't having to farm materials and gold for the NPCs to craft armor, weapons, consumables, etc. grind?

And wouldn't having armor drop like everything else remove quite a bit of the grind?

The whole skill>time thing is a pipe dream for a PvE MMO. To get people to keep playing PvE, there has to be something to do once you've "beaten" the game (campaigns) and in most MMOs, this is trying to get epic/elite drops, leveling crafting to make better stuff so that raids are easier etc.

From what I've seen, GW has NEVER followed the skill>time idea, its even more evident as the game has gotten more and more grindy (more diversified PvE titles, more rare skins), and more difficult to acquire rewards (loot scaling).

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30 Mar 2010 at 08:28 - 150

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Crafting = grind

It was specifically NOT added to GW because they wanted skill > time

That was when GW was good

Based on all ANet has said when in regards to that statement, I always felt that when they meant "skill > time" they meant that you would never become a "more successful" or powerful player just by pumping time into something (i.e. grinding a dungeon to get more powerful loot).

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Originally Posted by Kaleban

The whole skill>time thing is a pipe dream for a PvE MMO. To get people to keep playing PvE, there has to be something to do once you've "beaten" the game (campaigns) and in most MMOs, this is trying to get epic/elite drops, leveling crafting to make better stuff so that raids are easier etc.

It's very hard to keep up with so much content without a subscription fee, not to mention how content people have been for years on end.

What I'd rather see differently in GW2, though? Tailor future GW2 campaigns to be catered towards high-end characters. Have the start of the future campaign's level be the end of the original campaigns, and so on and so forth.

It was cool to see each GW1 campaign be stand-alone, but it came at a rough price. If GW2 wants to see increased longevity, this is what I feel should be done.

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Originally Posted by Kaleban

From what I've seen, GW has NEVER followed the skill>time idea, its even more evident as the game has gotten more and more grindy (more diversified PvE titles, more rare skins), and more difficult to acquire rewards (loot scaling).

I felt that spit started to hit the fan with PvE skills and beneficial titles. In Nightfall things were slipping away from ANet, near GW:EN they were blatantly kicking everything off of the bridge.

But things were fine in Prophecies and Factions. Only minor exception might've been the...shit what were they called, Celestial Elites near the final missions in Factions? It's been so long.

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30 Mar 2010 at 18:51 - 151

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Originally Posted by Yelling @ Cats

I simply don't care about loot.

You are one ridiculously arrogant person. You are trying to project your preferences onto the Guild Wars community at large, saying that since you don't care about loot then it logically follows that no one else can either. Either that or you believe that ArenaNet should design their game around you personally, when you know that you are in the minuscule minority.

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PS: Nothing worth having drops anywhere. Nothing does any more damage or has any more armor than collector items.

...And I'm sure that you walk around in a towel because it is cheaper than clothes and keeps you warm just as well.

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Is the only reason that you don't like doing those places because you don't get stacks of ectos, or is the reason you don't like doing those places because they are really f'ing boring?

Yeah, because farming is so exciting.....why else would so many people do it?