Petition to Demand a Response from Anet on Botting

Karate Jesus

Karate Jesus

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Well, as most of you probably know, botting has grown exponentially in Guild Wars over the last few months. By the latest estimates, over 5,000 players are currently running a popular botting program (that I'm not allowed to mention here) and many of them use more than one account to bot. That's not even counting the absurd number of players who use other botting programs or write their own bots.

This doesn't just affect one aspect of the game. Currently, there are RA (glad) farming bots, raptor farming bots, numerous interrupt bots, gamer point farming bots, Dragon Arena bots, Rollerbeetle bots, spike bots, and soon a full team of HA farming bots.

If this anniversary didn't draw attention to it, I don't know what will. People were selling over 1,000 stacks of Cupcakes in Kamadan at any given moment during the event because of this problem and Codex, RA, JQ, and FA are a mess due to these (soon enough, HA will be too).

If there's nothing you can do, Anet, then admit to it. If you can do something, do it.

tl;dr - /sign if you demand a response on botting from Anet.

Quail Stomp

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2010

N/A

Yes i would love a response to the bot problem but i still dont think they can do much about it. Im sure if they could stop the bots they would have done it already but i can still hope something will happen. Its killing pvp, pve i dont care much about because its already easy but its still breaking the rules.
BIG OL /SIGN

Grunntar

Grunntar

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Join Date: Apr 2005

Demand a response...? LOL!

Yawgmoth

Yawgmoth

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Join Date: Apr 2005

Mandatory /signed.

Botting is a highly important issue right now as easy to use bots are free to get and public.

Karate Jesus

Karate Jesus

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grunntar View Post
Demand a response...? LOL!
I'm not saying they'll respond, but we can still demand a response. If they don't give us one, then that just means that they're too cowardly to do anything about it anyway (remember Red Resign?).

I've heard that the TK is pushing them on this as well and that they're "supposedly" working on something. I'm still pretty skeptical. I don't think they can do a damn thing, and if they could, I doubt they would.

Penny

Penny

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Join Date: Jan 2007

Playing a bit but not too much.

<3

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/signed ofc !

sixdartbart

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Join Date: Jun 2005

Peace Machine GRRR [DiE]

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Bots and cheating programs have ruined several other games that I've played and I think most games are infested with them, GWs originally didn't have this problem and dealt with any kind of cheating swiftly but it seems they have been overrun as well.

Zero tolerance is the only solution for this and I hope you are doing a better job of keeping them out of GW2 then you are currently doing in GWs.


I would like to hear as well, what happened, did you send everyone who protected GWs from this crap to work on GW2 or did these botter punks just magically get smarter than your game and you can't do anything about them?

Hyperventilate

Hyperventilate

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Join Date: Nov 2007

Somewhere in California

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I'd love to hear a response, but I don't think "demanding" is appropriate.

dusanyu

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Join Date: Nov 2007

Illusion of skillz [Iz]

W/E

As a member of the PvP Community i /sign without hesitation.

Kityn

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Join Date: Mar 2005

Michigan

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How many times does the people at Anet have to say that they ban thousands of bots a month? This has been talked before and is nothing new. They ban thousands a month. And thousands replace them.

aefghuys

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Missouri

Obon

D/P

/signed ...we beg of u anet

Ravious

Ravious

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Join Date: Mar 2006

Servants of Fortuna

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All "forcing" them to do will get you some boilerplate about them watching the problem, banning bots, and possibly exploring solutions, or something. If that's what you want, okay.

Bob Slydell

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

I'm sure we'll get one, but you know exactly the format it's going to be. Here, I'll speak for arenanet:

We are working around the clock to combat botting. We have banned 5,000 accounts this week for botting. If you suspect a bot, please use the report feature and or contact support with the matter.

Thanks.

Karate Jesus

Karate Jesus

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kityn View Post
How many times does the people at Anet have to say that they ban thousands of bots a month? This has been talked before and is nothing new. They ban thousands a month. And thousands replace them.
The problem with your statement is that it's very untrue. Sure, the bots in Bergen Hot Springs get banned and then replaced, but there are literally THOUSANDS of players who bot daily and have never been touched.

Thousands....that's not a joke. Go on the main GW botting forum (again, I can't name it) and you can talk to guys who have been botting on 10+ accounts for over a year and haven't been touched.

The problem is that Anet only catches stupid bots (like the Bergen ones or the JQ ones) and they rely almost entirely on players reporting them. Players can't tell the difference on most of the public bots now because they're too good, and neither can Anet if they don't use any other protocols to catch them besides behavior.


EDIT:Again, I doubt they're doing a damn thing. I just think it's time we let them know that we're sick of it and that we want something done.

Flint Dictus

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2008

/signed. Cause the response will display how helpless they are.

Ninja Ninja

Ninja Ninja

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/signed, I don't like the drunkard title bot either.

Karate Jesus

Karate Jesus

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja View Post
/signed, I don't like the drunkard title bot either.
Oh, that reminds me. I forgot to mention that raptor bot users commonly use a chest-running bot to use all the lockpicks they get. So, lucky/unlucky titles + treasure hunter/wisdom are affected as well.

Bob Slydell

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

I still don't understand why they can't update the client to break the injection methods? They managed to break KSMod because some bots were using the same exact method KSMod used, so can't they do a little more coding and stop allowing DLL injections?

Scarlett Romanov

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kityn View Post
How many times does the people at Anet have to say that they ban thousands of bots a month? This has been talked before and is nothing new. They ban thousands a month. And thousands replace them.
You know that's bull. Go to Fort Aspenwood. There are botters that have been there since atleast last summer. (A certain elementalist....I'm sure you know who.) He has Dishonorable hexes on him all the time. I've reported him. Others have. I've manually reported him through the ncsoft website. Point is, if they're actually looking at reports, they'd see that this asshat has been labeled a leecher (automatically by the system) and by several players since last year! I'm about 95% sure that reports go directly to limbo.

They don't care about Guild Wars 1 anymore. They've left it to waste away while they're working on Guild Wars 2. For now it feels like they're keeping GW1 servers running solely so they can make a few bucks out us retards (yes, me too) that keep paying them for novelities like costumes. Its sad, I know, but I can't see them taking great strides to help a five year old game. I want them to come out and do something because I do still enjoy aspects of this game (I spend a lot of time in FA.). so /signed. However, I don't have much faith in them doing anything. Not atleast anytime soon. I can really hope that Guild Wars 2 will be managed better.

If you manage to get a response out of Regina (didn't someone bring up bots to Gaile already?) or anyone, it will be similar to the response this person posted. No offense or anything. Chances are they won't bring the banhammer down this time or do anything remotely good for an old busted game.

Ninja Ninja

Ninja Ninja

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Join Date: Dec 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Karate Jesus View Post
Oh, that reminds me. I forgot to mention that raptor bot users commonly use a chest-running bot to use all the lockpicks they get. So, lucky/unlucky titles + treasure hunter/wisdom are affected as well.
All this talk about bots sounds so game breaking. Do any of the JQ bots that get reported get banned?

Aleta

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

California

TTP

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyperventilate View Post
I'd love to hear a response, but I don't think "demanding" is appropriate.
Neither do I. Also where do your estimates come from?

I don't believe this game has been abandoned. However with a limited amount of warm bodies to go around I would guess they do the best they can.

Respectfully requesting a response would be better.

Shadar

Shadar

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Croatia

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/signed, although I don't expect anything will actually be done. Prove me wrong anet, please

Mini Vizu

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2010

I don't think these bots exist. I haven't seen any. All the W/N players in rata sum respond to me when I say hello.

cosyfiep

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

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ok I will give you the other response from Anet:

we are working on gw2 and have no more resources to put to the game that is currently live....

eg...they aint gonna do anything about it even if you scream and shout until you turn blue.

Errant Venture

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Join Date: Sep 2008

Vent Rage [vR]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aleta View Post
Neither do I. Also where do your estimates come from?

I don't believe this game has been abandoned. However with a limited amount of warm bodies to go around I would guess they do the best they can.

Respectfully requesting a response would be better.
The estimates are based off the number of copies of one of the most popular botting tools downloaded from a particular botting site.

capashen

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Join Date: Jun 2009

The Kaos Order [TKO]

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/unsigned let everyone do whatever they want

Essence Snow

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Join Date: Nov 2009

EST

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/unsigned based on spite(completely underrated btw).....not too keen on demands...rather hear a response on other matters

Crazy monk Cro

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Join Date: Mar 2008

CROATIA

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/signed ...5000000 of us gave them 200$ for the fcking game...and now they dont whant to bother....seems like they dont give fck about us now when we bought the game...

--------------------GW2---------------------same?!?

Ninja Ninja

Ninja Ninja

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Quote:
Originally Posted by capashen View Post
/unsigned let everyone do whatever they want
By let everyone do what they want you mean cheat and exploit the game?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Essence Snow View Post
/unsigned based on spite(completely underrated btw).....not too keen on demands...rather hear a response on other matters
This is a growing problem that is only going to get worse.

aspi

aspi

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Join Date: Jan 2010

eeew

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What's the use, I think it's a good idea but a bit too late. Let them prefend botting for GW2, who the hell is botting in a dying game anyway?

Mr. Undisclosed

Mr. Undisclosed

I phail

Join Date: Mar 2007

Phailville

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lol who cares.

merek

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2010

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mini Vizu View Post
I don't think these bots exist. I haven't seen any. All the W/N players in rata sum respond to me when I say hello.
Really? look at all the ones (not only W/N but also E/Me) that come into the circle directly in front of the zoning area and then turn immediately around an d go right back outside.. you try and do it.. you can't they are bots msg them see if you can type their name before they go back outside. It is sad it is an exploit that must be addressed if A-net wishes to keep their community happy going into GW2.

/signed

ps: There must of been thousands farming cupcakes this past anniversary.

Mesmers Are Bad

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Join Date: Aug 2008

NJ

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Essence Snow View Post
/unsigned based on spite(completely underrated btw).....not too keen on demands...rather hear a response on other matters
^this.

I don't play pvp because the barriers for entry are too ridiculous to regularly get good groups together or to join pugs.
So yeah, enjoy the bots, you deserve them. /notsigned

EDIT:And pve is busted to hell anyway so i don't mind the economy getting flooded with cheap cupcakes.

Essence Snow

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Join Date: Nov 2009

EST

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja View Post
By let everyone do what they want you mean cheat and exploit the game?



This is a growing problem that is only going to get worse.
Since I detest GW PvP I could care less what happens to it.....let it die completely for all I care. As for PvE bots...they don't really affect me. I play GW to run around killing stuff, not to mass farm only to sell in an artificial market. I'd play a stock market game if I thought that was fun. So, since I don't PvP and the ones in PvE don't affect me, I really don't see it as a problem.

Danny Used Frenzy

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2009

Iowa City, IA

Mo/

As a member of a botting community and contributing bot and script writer, /signed.

Meridon

Meridon

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Join Date: Dec 2008

Funny Business Inc [FBI]

For a business, transparency towards it's clients is a virtue. Why Anet/NCSoft doesn't seem to get that is a mystery to me.

/signed.

Karate Jesus

Karate Jesus

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aleta View Post
Neither do I. Also where do your estimates come from?

I don't believe this game has been abandoned. However with a limited amount of warm bodies to go around I would guess they do the best they can.

Respectfully requesting a response would be better.
The estimate, as Errant said, came from the site where you can download the bots openly. It's likely an underestimated amount, but it's the only figure we have.

Unfortunately, we're beyond the point of "respectfully requesting" anything. Anet hasn't done anything about the JQ bots or bots like the Bergen bot for years, and it's led us here. We're to the point where they need to do something or we'd might as well hand GW over to the bots.

Ninja Ninja

Ninja Ninja

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Join Date: Dec 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mesmers Are Bad View Post
^this.

I don't play pvp because the barriers for entry are too ridiculous to regularly get good groups together or to join pugs.
So yeah, enjoy the bots, you deserve them. /notsigned
HA is only one part of pvp. The only people I can see not concerned about players abusing the game and making titles worthless are new players.

II Lucky Charm II

II Lucky Charm II

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

Seoul, Korea

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Karate Jesus View Post
Well, as most of you probably know, botting has grown exponentially in Guild Wars over the last few months. By the latest estimates, over 5,000 players are currently running a popular botting program (that I'm not allowed to mention here) and many of them use more than one account to bot. That's not even counting the absurd number of players who use other botting programs or write their own bots.
Where did you get this number?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Karate Jesus View Post
This doesn't just affect one aspect of the game. Currently, there are RA (glad) farming bots, raptor farming bots, numerous interrupt bots, gamer point farming bots, Dragon Arena bots, Rollerbeetle bots, spike bots, and soon a full team of HA farming bots.
Most of the bots you have listed here are PvP bots. I don't see why you would want to fix this; you can use this to your advantage. Bots are not that smart... Interrupt bots can easily be tricked if you cancel your skill before they interrupt you.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Karate Jesus View Post
If this anniversary didn't draw attention to it, I don't know what will. People were selling over 1,000 stacks of Cupcakes in Kamadan at any given moment during the event because of this problem and Codex, RA, JQ, and FA are a mess due to these (soon enough, HA will be too).
This game is no different than real life. It is still subjected to the law of supply and demand. Sooner or later, the price for these cupcakes will fall drastically and the bots will become obsolete.

There is no need to fix any of these bots. Banning players won't help either. Just join the botter and help make this community a better place. If everyone bots, we will all be on even field.

NOT SIGNED

Danny Used Frenzy

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2009

Iowa City, IA

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Karate Jesus View Post
The estimate, as Errant said, came from the site where you can download the bots openly. It's likely an underestimated amount, but it's the only figure we have.

Unfortunately, we're beyond the point of "respectfully requesting" anything. Anet hasn't done anything about the JQ bots or bots like the Bergen bot for years, and it's led us here. We're to the point where they need to do something or we'd might as well hand GW over to the bots.

The actual number of unique users is closer to about 1,500, but that doesn't include copies that the downloaders have individually distributed, nor the multiple accounts they're using.

I'm sure there's easily 5,000 accounts, though.