Petition to Demand a Response from Anet on Botting

Hells Fury

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Looking at that site with bots i think it's even dangerous to be in the same district with bots. For example that EDITED :lets just call it some chest running bot . Person who isn't using bot and running repeatedly those chests for lucky points might be reported for botting and perma banned.
Hell atm i can't think out any reason why would anyone refuse to buy another gw account and load a bot. This might be the reason why they aren't doing anything about it.
Keeping the thread alive.

The Josip

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Stop complaining about the bots. Bots are not a bad thing, bots are a byproduct of a bad thing.

Repetitive, linear gameplay, that rewards time over skill = bad.

Bots are the cure.





(Note: there are some exceptions, but none in PvE)

Kumu Honua

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If you don't like repetitive linear gameplay, then don't play the games with repetitive linear gameplay.

Bots are degenerate. They serve no beneficial purpose to the health of a game. You can already see the damage done by the parasites that use them. Just try to play Jade Quarry. You can't get a game without at least one useless bot.

Bots and those who use them should be eradicated like the infestation they are.

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Originally Posted by The Josip View Post
Stop complaining about the bots. Bots are not a bad thing, bots are a byproduct of a bad thing.

Repetitive, linear gameplay, that rewards time over skill = bad.
PvP is not grind, yet people bot it.

Current "falken botting" is not driven by grind either. Just by profit.

You might have point about drink bots and such, but not about current botting scene, not by far.

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yeah it was definitely to buy armor
Thats absolutely disgusting!

Test Me

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Stop complaining about the bots. Bots are not a bad thing, bots are a byproduct of a bad thing.
It's true. And most of us still playing are definitively as bots!

But there is another side to it, that is as time goes by people tend to automate things. So it is normal that people (that can) write code to automate what they "bot-by-hand" to bot by software automatically instead.

In reality if someone would take the time they could write a software bot that emulates the human behavior so its undetectable, making it fail sometimes on purpose like humans do, or take random breaks or walk randomly... anything we do in GW can be done automatically in a software, not very complex one either

I know a lot of people here have this impression that GW is skillful play, but that's not so true, all GW play can be automated and done better by machines which in my opinion is the exact opposite of skill.

Karate Jesus

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I imagine profit is part of it.

He's made a solid amount of money selling bots, considering that it's more of a hobby for him than anything else. There's an obvious profit to be made from producing bots and Anet sure seems to be profiting off of them.

EDIT: Oh, and it looks like Gaile went down her talk page and answered a bunch of questions. Guess which one she skipped over? Yep, our little botting question was ignored as if it were that chick with the headgear who sits in the corner at prom.

Classy move.

Eragon Zarroc

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I imagine profit is part of it.

perhaps these people are just making gui's to try and scam people into buying them? i mean, i can make a gui that doesn't do anything at all real quick, lol.



anybody wanna buy? only tree-fitty ;-) lololol

Karate Jesus

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perhaps these people are just making gui's to try and scam people into buying them? i mean, i can make a gui that doesn't do anything at all real quick, lol.



anybody wanna buy? only tree-fitty ;-)
Unfortunately, it's not just a gui. It's a working bot. I know Danny pretty well, and he has several bots that run well (including one that can do ToPK for ectos). I've seen this one in action personally. It works.

Tullzinski

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ANET, just make it all for free at this point. Put in a Santa Claus NPC, type in what you want and HO F&@$ing HO Santa awards it to you. Everyone can fill up their HOM and get whatever the hell you want. No need to bot anymore since the motive will be removed. Why bot when you can it for free.

If you do not want to use Santa then don't. This is beyond crazy at this point.

Karate Jesus

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ANET, just make it all for free at this point. Put in a Santa Claus NPC, type in what you want and HO F&@$ing HO Santa awards it to you. Everyone can fill up their HOM and get whatever the hell you want. No need to bot anymore since the motive will be removed. Why bot when you can it for free.

If you do not want to use Santa then don't. This is beyond crazy at this point.
People would still bot PvP titles.....

snaek

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PvP is not grind, yet people bot it.
*cough*pvptitles*cough*

Essence Snow

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Unfortunately, it's not just a gui. It's a working bot. I know Danny pretty well, and he has several bots that run well (including one that can do ToPK for ectos). I've seen this one in action personally. It works.
Just wondering if you have reported him yet? U know ban the botters.

Amy Awien

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...But there is another side to it, that is as time goes by people tend to automate things. So it is normal that people (that can) write code to automate what they "bot-by-hand" to bot by software automatically instead.
If people would write their own bots that would at least be some accomplichment.

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Just wondering if you have reported him yet? U know ban the botters.

Well, strictly speaking, if he wrote the software then it is not third-party software and therefore his account is not bannable for using third-party software.

But most botters will likely just abuse something other people created.

Karate Jesus

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Just wondering if you have reported him yet? U know ban the botters.
Who? Danny? He's been reported more times than I can count. I think he may have even reported himself.

Anet doesn't care. Hell, half of the bot-script writers I know have never been banned....ever. Not once.

Firebaall

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Sounds like a resounding "approval" to bot.

No comments from Anet staff. Lots of extra accounts around, no longer being used for XTH. Sounds like a recipe for a bot bumper crop.

From what I read on that bot site, the enabler in this whole fiasco is the .dll injection of the graphics.dll file that is permitted for "legal" user mods. It might be time to brush off some of those extra accounts, and put them to "work".

Get off your hands Anet. Silence speaks volumes.

Tullzinski

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People would still bot PvP titles.....
screw it give em those too....

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If people would write their own bots that would at least be some accomplichment.
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Who? Danny? He's been reported more times than I can count. I think he may have even reported himself.

Anet doesn't care. Hell, half of the bot-script writers I know have never been banned....ever. Not once.
Need I say more? Read the above. Software engineers can have a hobby you know? Some contribute to open source, some write GW bots... to each his own.

Zahr Dalsk

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If you don't like repetitive linear gameplay, then don't play the games with repetitive linear gameplay.
I don't know if you're aware of this, but Guild Wars is MARKETED AS A GAME WITHOUT REPETITIVE LINEAR GAMEPLAY.

Bobby2

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This thread has taken a turn for the utterly hilarious, keep em coming

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maybe this thread needs to be moved over to guildwars2guru for any hope for a response from Anet. lots of interesting info here though. i did a search on Ebay and found a person selling stacks of ecto, starting bid $30 and buy it now @ $40. the person is in sweden. probably all bot farmed. heck theres even a person selling a ghostly hero for $600

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Karate Jesus

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Originally Posted by R_Frost View Post
maybe this thread needs to be moved over to guildwars2guru for any hope for a response from Anet. lots of interesting info here though. i did a search on Ebay and found a person selling stacks of ecto, starting bid $30 and buy it now @ $40. the person is in sweden. probably all bot farmed. heck theres even a person selling a ghostly hero for $600
Kanaxai is worth around $6,000 USD. Expect more of this.

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who is selling a kanaxai to even guess that? second, who is going to spend $6000 on a video game pet? no one is that stupid.

DigitalFear

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second, who is going to spend $6000 on a video game pet? no one is that stupid.
You'd be surprised.

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You'd be surprised.
No. He's right. There was a WoW character sold a few years ago.

It was basically one of the best geared toons on the planet at the time.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/09/17/wo...nearly-10-000/

It that sold for less than $10,000, Kanaxai will not sell for anywhere close to that much. I doubt Kanaxai would sell for more than a couple hundred US.

lemming

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Kanaxai's ingame value is at least $5000 in ectos. Why would it go for a couple hundred USD?

Martin Alvito

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It's pretty well established at this point that a clean Kanaxai is +/- $5,000 USD. I'd believe reports that the price has increased. I don't follow RMT pricing closely.

Limited supply and cachet make some people do things that look pretty silly to most people. There are a number of people in major U.S. cities that drop thousands of dollars on a single outfit of clothing. Yet that clothing is made from the same fabrics you and I wear at a fraction of the price.

Karate Jesus

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It's pretty well established at this point that a clean Kanaxai is +/- $5,000 USD. I'd believe reports that the price has increased. I don't follow RMT pricing closely.

Limited supply and cachet make some people do things that look pretty silly to most people. There are a number of people in major U.S. cities that drop thousands of dollars on a single outfit of clothing. Yet that clothing is made from the same fabrics you and I wear at a fraction of the price.
To get back on topic, these are the types of things I fully expect to see leading up to GW2 unless something is done.

With botters running amok, ectos are being sold for RL money more often. Other items are also being sold for RL money, such as the new minis that botters have been farming for and similar items.

This will only get worse without some sort of action.

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To get back on topic, these are the types of things I fully expect to see leading up to GW2 unless something is done.

With botters running amok, ectos are being sold for RL money more often. Other items are also being sold for RL money, such as the new minis that botters have been farming for and similar items.

This will only get worse without some sort of action.
Agreed
I stopped playing for an extended period of time and this kind of thing is common in every other mmo that I played which was pretty sick after being use to playing GWs, early on they did a great job of keeping the cheats out of the game {reporting a player for a gate glitch that we didn't know what happened until watching on obs mode then finding out that him and everyone in that GvG against us was banned the next day always made GWs seem above other games} but coming back to see bots gone wild in GWs was disapointing to say the least.

One can only hope that GW2 will be more in line with how GWs was ran originally but they cheats are always going to be trying reguardless of what they do.

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http://www.arena.net/blog/design-dir...t-account-bans
Wow was this posted yet?

Snap we got a response lol.