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lishi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

21 May 2010 at 07:47 - 681

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Actually, it's about being too cheap to expend the money to hire a large enough support staff to police the game. My suspicion is that ANet would like to do this, but someone at NCSoft refuses to let them spend the money.

Throwing money at the problem is the only way ANet can solve it. Trying to close the flaws or institute an automated detection process would just set off the classic arms race between the cheaters and the developers...and I've yet to see a developer win that race.

That's pretty troubling if it's true. Sounds like a possible malware vector.

There are a lot of cheater, but the project who allow the bot to work itself its maintained by just few guy.

If anet manage to render invalid all the work they have done i don't think they will bother to do it all again for a dying game.

Sure, the same thing work the other way, im not sure if anet will bother to work to such extent on a old game.

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

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21 May 2010 at 14:09 - 682

Still no response, huh?

Maybe they're busy with the upda-HAHAHAHA. Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

Looks like they just don't care.....

Killed u man

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

21 May 2010 at 16:30 - 683

They're definatly aware of the problem, aswell as aware of this thread. But Anet's past policy on major community issues was to simply stonewall the community, and after a year orso release some random update which sorta fixed the problem only to find that people simply didn't care anymore.

So my best gues:

About 1 year from now, they will release their new botcatching method, having Gaile/Regina march all proud into HA id1 only to find a tumbleweed rolling by...

Shuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu (Wind blowing to illustrate the epic sadness of Anet's actions on this issue) uuuuuuu....

carnage-runner

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada, B.C. Vancouver. aka.. amazing.

[Sith]

W/Me

21 May 2010 at 22:13 - 684

No one will read this message so who even cares. I'm typing in this white box expecting 0 people to read this far. Bots are taking over ANET. Notice how all the responses seem automated?

/Raped.

king swift

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2007

Kamadan AD1

Zealots Of Shiverpeak [ZoS]

D/A

22 May 2010 at 00:02 - 685

Quote:

Originally Posted by carnage-runner

No one will read this message so who even cares. I'm typing in this white box expecting 0 people to read this far. Bots are taking over ANET. Notice how all the responses seem automated?

/Raped.

The problem with the bots is that they act based on changes to the game environment and are not "repeated processes." I do not think A-Net is capable of detecting these bots, and hence, the have no solution or answer to the problem.

stretchs

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

Untimely Demise [Err了] - SOHK

22 May 2010 at 01:27 - 686

Well with this update they have nerfed several farming spots with the hosing of Sliver as well as redoing the skill set on the Vaettir's. So they didnt kill botting directly, but did take a shot at it in PVE by nerfing some of the ways they did so.

Unfort for pvp, it just got better for them, as they can now do things even faster =\

Schnellburg

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

America -5 GMT

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22 May 2010 at 01:33 - 687

Quote:

Originally Posted by stretchs

Well with this update they have nerfed several farming spots with the hosing of Sliver as well as redoing the skill set on the Vaettir's. So they didnt kill botting directly, but did take a shot at it in PVE by nerfing some of the ways they did so.

Unfort for pvp, it just got better for them, as they can now do things even faster =\

There are still plenty of places for bots to farm. Anet can't nerf them all without destroying the game. So plan on seeing them for quite some time.

stretchs

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

Untimely Demise [Err了] - SOHK

22 May 2010 at 01:43 - 688

Mosdef true that it didnt kill all of them, but 2 of the most popular spots have taken a ding in PVE

Septeric

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2010

TRS-80 land or Colorado... depends on the weather.

House of Septeric

22 May 2010 at 01:46 - 689

HAHA.. great!

anet's response to this thread.... nerf some more shit!

GW2 is going to real fun /sarcasm

Schnellburg

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

America -5 GMT

Me/

22 May 2010 at 01:49 - 690

2 of the most popular spots? You can still raptor farm, just not with an ele anymore. And Vaettirs were never that great imho. You can still run a raptor bot all day, and make an easy 200k on a daily average. They didn't really nerf that much.

Nerel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2008

Australia, what you want my home address?

[CAT]

Mo/

22 May 2010 at 02:39 - 691

Quote:

Originally Posted by Septeric

HAHA.. great!

anet's response to this thread.... nerf some more shit!

GW2 is going to real fun /sarcasm

Really? I thought Anet's response was to BUFF mesmer interrupt bots.

pinkeyflower

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2010

22 May 2010 at 06:15 - 692

/signed (now this should be 12 characters)

ruk1a

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2008

UR MOM LOL

ATTACK OF THE KILLER TOMATOES

A/

22 May 2010 at 06:58 - 693

Quote:

Originally Posted by nerel

really? I thought anet's response was to buff mesmer interrupt bots.

boom head shot

Mangione

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

22 May 2010 at 11:16 - 694

There are many more bots than usual in JQ during this weekend.

Some are obvious bots, they heal themselves when is not needed when they are at full health, they use defense skills while staying idle inside the base, they get stuck and keep spamming stances... others simply run to a place, use a running skill and get killed (no, I'm not talking about necro bombers... seen a Rt/El simply running to yellow, ALWAYS, no matter who was holding the quarry, without doing anything else).

It doesn't matter that some people report. Many just say "what's the point in reporting? Anet doesn't care".

Why someone at Anet doesn't go into JQ and starts banning at least the obvious ones?

Saint Scarlet

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2010

Everywhere

Rise of Corruption[RoC]

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22 May 2010 at 11:49 - 695

For the last 3 weeks everyday i have done Jade Quarry i have encountered the [City] bots and not only me but most the team keep reporting them. Anet should have had at least 100+ reports about each of the 5 members there are in the guild yet still they are being used. Quite clearly bots from the way they move, use skills and get confused when a shrine is capped before they can suicide themselves so they just stand there and spam SoA til they die. WHEN are you going to actually remove these bots that people keep reporting or is it because you for some perverse reason you wish to keep them???

Ka Tet

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

Pita Bread And Scud Missiles Ai[iiii]

22 May 2010 at 17:11 - 696

Anet is unconcerned with bots, as long as they are not actively selling gold, in any way other than a token fashion.
Bots do nothing to disturb the Care Bear environment that Anet is seeking to create. As such, they will not divert support staff to botting issues as that would prevent those staff members from instituting questionable bans based on arbitrary readings of the rules of conduct in order to coddle the beloved Care Bears who populate their target demographic.
An earlier poster listed 4 examples of Anet behavior, including the "Conga Line" incident, suiting Anet needs. Expecting Anet to do otherwise will only provide you with false hopes of better behavior.
As long as your bot does nothing offensive to fracture the gentle psyches of the Care Bear market, your bot is safe.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

22 May 2010 at 23:43 - 697

You know the bullshit grind needed for EotN rep? You know the mindless AP spam needed for vanquishing? (If you play certain classes.)

Bots for both of those, consequences of poor design on ArenaNet's part.

While I was, originally, against the idea of bots in this game, when I looked at the sheer number of design flaws that it could fix: grind, the lack of a minion party window, the hero limit (follow bot), and so on, I realized that it's perhaps the best thing that's happened to GW in a long time.

Ninja Ninja

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

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22 May 2010 at 23:49 - 698

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

You know the bullshit grind needed for EotN rep? You know the mindless AP spam needed for vanquishing? (If you play certain classes.)

Bots for both of those, consequences of poor design on ArenaNet's part.

While I was, originally, against the idea of bots in this game, when I looked at the sheer number of design flaws that it could fix: grind, the lack of a minion party window, the hero limit (follow bot), and so on, I realized that it's perhaps the best thing that's happened to GW in a long time.

TL;DR your crying because you can't handle it.

-Sonata-

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2007

Pretty Hate Machines [NIN]

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23 May 2010 at 00:09 - 699

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

While I was, originally, against the idea of bots in this game, when I looked at the sheer number of design flaws that it could fix: grind, the lack of a minion party window, the hero limit (follow bot), and so on, I realized that it's perhaps the best thing that's happened to GW in a long time.

Grind? I sometimes wonder if I play the same Guild Wars other people play. I wasn't aware I had to WoW it up to lvl 80.

Minion party window? Not necessary.

Hero Limit? Is this coming from a community that constantly touts how easy PvE is? That unless you're a noob, or some scrub, you can put any 8 skills on a bar and steam roll through PvE with only henchmen? That the introduction of heroes made the game even more easy to begin with?

Design flaws? No. These are player flaws.

lishi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

23 May 2010 at 00:25 - 700

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

You know the bullshit grind needed for EotN rep? You know the mindless AP spam needed for vanquishing? (If you play certain classes.)

Bots for both of those, consequences of poor design on ArenaNet's part.

While I was, originally, against the idea of bots in this game, when I looked at the sheer number of design flaws that it could fix: grind, the lack of a minion party window, the hero limit (follow bot), and so on, I realized that it's perhaps the best thing that's happened to GW in a long time.

Bad design? let me tell you why people bot :

the reason of why they started may differ, some just started, some other have seen their friend / fellow player start and started too to not get left behind.

But the reason of why they are doing it its simple : advantage over other player.
Maxing anything in guild wars is not obligatory even the pve skill allow to do anything hard mode with a middle rank of 4-6.

The design and grind are just a ready available excuses like the HA bots demonstrate.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

23 May 2010 at 01:56 - 701

Quote:

Originally Posted by lishi

But the reason of why they are doing it its simple : advantage over other player.

People start grinding because Anet rewards repetitive behavior, which runs inherently counter to a health human mind, thus making it ideal to have a program do it instead. Sorry bro, it's true.

Danny Used Frenzy

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2009

Iowa City, IA

Mo/

23 May 2010 at 02:07 - 702

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

People start grinding because Anet rewards repetitive behavior, which runs inherently counter to a health human mind, thus making it ideal to have a program do it instead. Sorry bro, it's true.

There's a reason anyone with any above-average of computer literacy uses scripts to do everything else on their computer. It only makes sense to apply it to Guild Wars.

I'm sure people who played the market manually for years kicked and screamed when eTrade and other companies began letting them place stop-loss measures and such, but that's how the world works.

And since I'm really starting to doubt ANet's ability to respond to the botting issue, I'll go ahead and say it:
That's how Guild Wars works, too.

El Perma Shadow

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2009

Conspired Illuminated Experts (CLX)

A/

23 May 2010 at 02:25 - 703

I read the first and a couple other posts throughout this thread. And laughed the whole time doing it... There is a way to prevent botting, but stopping it completely is out of the question. It's extremely pointless to stay here and complain about it. One argument I noticed was "people selling 1000's of cupcakes and..." who cares. I knew people who had enough time to farm all that and then some. Some people power trade. buy low sell high make money and repeat.... /not signed because we need content update not ban hammer update.

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

23 May 2010 at 04:33 - 704

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Perma Shadow

I read the first and a couple other posts throughout this thread. And laughed the whole time doing it... There is a way to prevent botting, but stopping it completely is out of the question. It's extremely pointless to stay here and complain about it. One argument I noticed was "people selling 1000's of cupcakes and..." who cares. I knew people who had enough time to farm all that and then some. Some people power trade. buy low sell high make money and repeat.... /not signed because we need content update not ban hammer update.

You're missing a few zeroes there.

lishi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

23 May 2010 at 09:52 - 705

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

People start grinding because Anet rewards repetitive behavior, which runs inherently counter to a health human mind, thus making it ideal to have a program do it instead. Sorry bro, it's true.

People don't run multiple raptor bot for avoiding griding asura title, they also don't run pvp interupt bot for the same reason.

Sorry bro, it's true. They either have profit for their game goal or they like to have their pvp ego boosted.

Skiasca

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2009

Devon, uk

RoC

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23 May 2010 at 10:00 - 706

Quote:

Hero Limit? Is this coming from a community that constantly touts how easy PvE is? That unless you're a noob, or some scrub, you can put any 8 skills on a bar and steam roll through PvE with only henchmen? That the introduction of heroes made the game even more easy to begin with?

Design flaws? No. These are player flaws.

Couldn't have said it better myself -Sonata-

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

23 May 2010 at 18:50 - 707

Quote:

Originally Posted by lishi

People don't run multiple raptor bot for avoiding griding asura title

Of course not, they run multiple raptor bots for gold so they can buy expensive armour and weapons. Again, a consequence of grind, specifically grind for gold. Hate to burst your bubble.

Ninja Ninja

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

W/

23 May 2010 at 19:24 - 708

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

People start grinding because Anet rewards repetitive behavior, which runs inherently counter to a health human mind, thus making it ideal to have a program do it instead. Sorry bro, it's true.

Hate to burst your bubble but there is no design flaw, you expecting titles to be a short term goal and grinding them so you don't have to invest time is a failure on your part. Sorry bro, it's true.

BuD

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

Nunya

E/Mo

23 May 2010 at 19:44 - 709

Who wouldnt want to get through these grindy titles faster? Like Zahr said its automation, bot can be running while youre at work, get those rep titles up so youre more easily accepted into groups.

Or for gold/items for your armor/shinies...

Ninja Ninja

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

W/

23 May 2010 at 19:50 - 710

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuD

Who wouldnt want to get through these grindy titles faster? Like Zahr said its automation, bot can be running while youre at work, get those rep titles up so youre more easily accepted into groups.

Or for gold/items for your armor/shinies...

When titles were first created people took there time and got it done fine, but now with gw2 coming noobs are looking for an easy way to max all there titles fast.

DreamWind

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2006

E/Mo

23 May 2010 at 19:54 - 711

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

You know the bullshit grind needed for EotN rep? You know the mindless AP spam needed for vanquishing? (If you play certain classes.)

Bots for both of those, consequences of poor design on ArenaNet's part.

While I was, originally, against the idea of bots in this game, when I looked at the sheer number of design flaws that it could fix: grind, the lack of a minion party window, the hero limit (follow bot), and so on, I realized that it's perhaps the best thing that's happened to GW in a long time.

You know...I knew I was wasting my time arguing with you in all those hero threads, but I'm glad you have confirmed my thoughts with this post. Anybody who thinks bots are ok is a word I can't say on here without being banned.

lishi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

23 May 2010 at 20:09 - 712

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Of course not, they run multiple raptor bots for gold so they can buy expensive armour and weapons. Again, a consequence of grind, specifically grind for gold. Hate to burst your bubble.

Again, i don't have to tell you how pretty much anyone can afford multiple set of elite armor playing normally (or even with few hour of botting), no they run bot's all day to buy stack of ectos, rare minis and weapon.

But guess want, no one need those to play the game, you have the choice to buy any of those very good looking and cheap weapon skins, you dont need a bds just to show off.

If you want play a game where you can just type /give xxx go play diablo in single player. I don't think anyone here think 15k's armor are actually so hard to get you have to bot them.

And like i repeated many times, PvP bots just confirm what i said. You can reduce the cost of every single thing in this game so that even someone who just started an account can get it in few minutes, people will still bot.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

23 May 2010 at 20:43 - 713

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamWind

You know...I knew I was wasting my time arguing with you in all those hero threads, but I'm glad you have confirmed my thoughts with this post. Anybody who thinks bots are ok is a word I can't say on here without being banned.

I have similar feelings towards you with your insistence that heroes are bad and fun should not be allowed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lishi

they run bot's all day to buy stack of ectos, rare minis and weapon.

It's all cosmetic so what's the problem?

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

23 May 2010 at 20:44 - 714

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Of course not, they run multiple raptor bots for gold so they can buy expensive armour and weapons. Again, a consequence of grind, specifically grind for gold. Hate to burst your bubble.

yeah it was definitely to buy armor

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

23 May 2010 at 20:47 - 715

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemming

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yeah it was definitely to buy armor

Well, what else is he gonna use it for? Nothing that seems like a problem to me.

Could it hurt the economy? Oh, boo hoo, power traders have been displaced! And nothing of value was lost.

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

23 May 2010 at 20:51 - 716

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Well, what else is he gonna use it for? Nothing that seems like a problem to me.

Could it hurt the economy? Oh, boo hoo, power traders have been displaced! And nothing of value was lost.

Kanaxais are worth what, $4000?

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

23 May 2010 at 20:52 - 717

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemming

Kanaxais are worth what, $4000?

A consequence of ArenaNet's decision to introduce items of incredible rarity. Maybe a lesson will be learned here by the developers.

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

23 May 2010 at 21:04 - 718

You're missing my point. People bot pve for reasons that go beyond their in-game needs.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

23 May 2010 at 21:06 - 719

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemming

You're missing my point. People bot pve for reasons that go beyond their in-game needs.

There is never a need, there are wants. As long as the game features repetitive time investment there will be bots. Titles, minipets, armour, rare weapons, rare crafting materials, gold, etc - all combine to cause botting.

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

23 May 2010 at 21:23 - 720

Who doesn't want money for not doing anything?