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ruk1a

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19 May 2010 at 02:31 - 601

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Originally Posted by LowOiL

Just an old fellow here that likes to play GWs to relax, have logged in about 7k hours and just now have finally got 25 titles maxed. I hoped to get GWAMM eventually and I am close to level 11 Kurz now (all just HH vanquishes)... I am sorta a loner and don't really do guild thing alot, but I do take pride in the accomplishments I have managed. All PvE and I don't even have a clue how to PvP.

/SIGNED

Please Anet do your best to stop the bots. I worked hard for what titles I have, please don't let cheaters devalue my accomplishments.

I'm sorry but it's far too late.

Oh and expect a ban soon for legitimately farming your titles.

dancing gnome

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19 May 2010 at 05:22 - 602

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

The specific bot he mentioned has always been free, or at least it has been free for quite a while (around a year).

Oh, look....this thread is 30 pages now.....still no reply? Wow, I'm shocked

A "petition" to "demand" something was never going to get any respect. You have to give a little to get a little. A thread with this much (understandable) aggression is a flashing neon light exclaiming "Posting here is futile".

00039

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19 May 2010 at 05:52 - 603

Anet will never ever admit there's a botting problem since it'll cut into GW2 sales, it's as simple as that.

Elephantaliste

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19 May 2010 at 07:34 - 604

Ye, why would they communicate about all problems they can't solve ? it is not like if botting was specific to gw.
tl;dr What is everyone expecting from a response ? empathy ? I heard it will get nerfed.

Their core activity is game designing, not hacking prevention. And they are trying to make gw2 less rewardfull to grinding/botting/leeching. Maybe they will succeed, maybe they will fail. Life is not about playing on computer only anyway.

Martin Alvito

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19 May 2010 at 07:49 - 605

Quote:

Originally Posted by merek

Why not make those reports public so we can all see what A-net is doing about this issue? That way everyone can see and judge A-net with facts not just speculation.

U.S. law. Right to privacy.

Doing this would be the fastest way for the company to commit suicide. The damages in the subsequent class action would be crushing.

Nerel

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19 May 2010 at 10:54 - 606

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elephantaliste

Ye, why would they communicate about all problems they can't solve ? it is not like if botting was specific to gw.
tl;dr What is everyone expecting from a response ? empathy ? I heard it will get nerfed.

Amazingly I don't think you know what tl;dr means.

Aljasha

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19 May 2010 at 11:13 - 607

Quote:

Originally Posted by 00039

Anet will never ever admit there's a botting problem since it'll cut into GW2 sales, it's as simple as that.

Actually, they know about this problem, but they probably won't ever tell when or what they did to get rid of some bots, because telling the public about measures taken is like handing the very source code to hackers. You'll probably read more threads named "help i got banned for no reason" once those measures are in place and working.

Karate Jesus

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19 May 2010 at 12:56 - 608

Quote:

Originally Posted by dancing gnome

A "petition" to "demand" something was never going to get any respect. You have to give a little to get a little. A thread with this much (understandable) aggression is a flashing neon light exclaiming "Posting here is futile".

As I've said before and will undoubtedly have to say again, "Petition to Demand [Blank]" is a protest term. It's actually a legal term. If you were to file for the right to protest an event at your local city's office, their form would be titled something similar.

That said, I personally couldn't give less of a rat's ass what the thread is called. If a mod wants to move it, that's fine. However, I seriously doubt that a new name will improve our chances of getting a response from Anet.

Actually, it's been a while since I've seen any thread answered by an Anet employee on Guru. I think they've moved on. For example, here are Regina's responses on GW2Guru lately and here are her responses on GWGuru lately. Rather large difference.

JR

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19 May 2010 at 16:24 - 609

If this develops into nothing more than an attack thread it will be closed. The topic is the issue of botting, stay on it.

Elephantaliste

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19 May 2010 at 16:25 - 610

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerel

Amazingly I don't think you know what tl;dr means.

It looks like on GwG forums im never explicit enough... so it might explain such a thing...

As JR said,
/close... it is going nowhere

AtomicMew

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19 May 2010 at 18:04 - 611

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elephantaliste

It looks like on GwG forums im never explicit enough... so it might explain such a thing...

tldr means too long didn't read. How can you tldr a point that was one sentence long with another point of the same length? Obviously if you tldr something else, you need to specify what that is.

merek

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19 May 2010 at 18:10 - 612

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

U.S. law. Right to privacy.

Doing this would be the fastest way for the company to commit suicide. The damages in the subsequent class action would be crushing.

I don't want to know the botters names,where the live etc.. erase that from the report but just give us a solid number.. not like Gaile and say oh we ban around 1000 or so a week... and along with the report (w/o the personal info) a answer to this problem because it is out of control.

snaek

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19 May 2010 at 18:21 - 613

i don't think they're lying bout banning bots. they're just not banning enough to make people feel any threat or any risk of running a bot with consequence.

also, i'm fairly certain that their usual targets are the pve farming bots for rmt. i think they need to start prioritizing gvg/ha pvp botters.

Reverend Dr

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19 May 2010 at 18:46 - 614

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

U.S. law. Right to privacy.

Doing this would be the fastest way for the company to commit suicide. The damages in the subsequent class action would be crushing.

While it very likely would be a fast way to commit publicity suicide, U.S. Privacy laws don't apply to "my avatar was doing this on an online forum." Personal information given out would be against the law (unless you signed that right away, like the loophole Facebook uses), but in-game only events are completely outside that law.

Karate Jesus

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19 May 2010 at 18:59 - 615

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elephantaliste

As JR said,
/close... it is going nowhere

Honestly, closing the thread would be a waste. Anet needs to be aware of these issues.

Speaking of which, the new HA protbot is almost done. Basically, it reads enemy skill usage and pre-prots spikes, lifts conditions in less than a second, hexes in the same, and etc.

It's going to be bad.

Martin Alvito

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19 May 2010 at 22:25 - 616

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

While it very likely would be a fast way to commit publicity suicide, U.S. Privacy laws don't apply to "my avatar was doing this on an online forum." Personal information given out would be against the law (unless you signed that right away, like the loophole Facebook uses), but in-game only events are completely outside that law.

This would be a very easy case:

- You banned me.
- You released the information that you banned me.
- Someone I know found out about it.
- This discovery caused me personal embarassment.
- Give me some money to compensate me for the emotional distress you caused by disclosing true, but private information.

Quote:

Originally Posted by merek

I don't want to know the botters names,where the live etc.. erase that from the report but just give us a solid number.. not like Gaile and say oh we ban around 1000 or so a week... and along with the report (w/o the personal info) a answer to this problem because it is out of control.

Why would you believe the number? ANet doesn't have a sterling record of truthfulness.

Xslash

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19 May 2010 at 22:35 - 617

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

Honestly, closing the thread would be a waste. Anet needs to be aware of these issues.

Speaking of which, the new HA protbot is almost done. Basically, it reads enemy skill usage and pre-prots spikes, lifts conditions in less than a second, hexes in the same, and etc.

It's going to be bad.

bad as in bad for players or bad as in a bad bot?

i looked at some of the code.
some functions look like they would dominate any human prot.
others, not some much

1. it uses leech signet and power drain for energy management instead of channeling. though it'll probably never miss, channeling is unmatchable energy-wise for 3 team matches.

2. however, its hardcoded to known when any knockdown skill is used on the prot, and basically "interrupt" it by casting AoS on the infuse. with the 1/4 second cast on AoS, it basically means the infuse aint getting knocked down, because there isnt anytime to strip AoS, and no way to cancel your earth shaker without losing all that adrenaline.

3. the get danger feature is greater than any human can possibly do, because its just not possible for humans.
it automatically can tell who on your team is the most targetted, and SoA them accordingly.

4. i dont know if this is in the code, but its definetely possible:
instantly LS cripple from black mantis thrust, thus defeating half of the SW sins chain.

From the looks of it, the advantages definitely outweigh the disadvantages of the bot, and anet has got to respond if this bot becomes widespread, or else adrenaline based KD's will be useless, Spikes with anyone having a >1 second cast will basically be useless.

DreamWind

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19 May 2010 at 23:48 - 618

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR

If this develops into nothing more than an attack thread it will be closed. The topic is the issue of botting, stay on it.

Incorrect JR and I'm a bit disappointed in you for thinking that. This thread evolved a long time ago into something greater than just botting. It is now about the fact that Anet no longer cares and it clearly shows even when their game is being ridiculously abused and is going to get worse. Locking the thread achieves nothing but giving Anet the satisfaction of not having to deal with it.

Kattar

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20 May 2010 at 00:41 - 619

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamWind

Incorrect JR and I'm a bit disappointed in you for thinking that. This thread evolved a long time ago into something greater than just botting. It is now about the fact that Anet no longer cares and it clearly shows even when their game is being ridiculously abused and is going to get worse. Locking the thread achieves nothing but giving Anet the satisfaction of not having to deal with it.

Whiny one liners don't put forth the issue in a matter that ANet will respond to.

That's what JR is talking about.

vamp08

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20 May 2010 at 03:38 - 620

A lot of the major "supporters" of this thread seem to know the botting site very well.

Case of the pot calling the kettle black?

Anet, look at the guys naming/describing the bots, they are the same guys who use them.

/thread

Del

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20 May 2010 at 03:55 - 621

Quote:

Originally Posted by vamp08

A lot of the major "supporters" of this thread seem to know the botting site very well.

Case of the pot calling the kettle black?

Anet, look at the guys naming/describing the bots, they are the same guys who use them.

/thread

this isn't necessarily true, but make all the assumptions you want, but i'm sure botters wouldn't be asking anet to do things about botting. just seems a bit counter productive to me. but you might have a point, i mean, not like anyone RESEARCHES THINGS BEFORE THEY START THREADS LIKE THIS AND TALK OUT OF THEIR ASSES FOR 30~ish PAGES. but of course, go ahead and assume no one researches and everyone who knows anything is guilty. makes perfect sense.

Nerel

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20 May 2010 at 04:19 - 622

While I agree with Del's sentiment, there are always exceptions, like the people who make these bots available, and spread information about them, and even use them SOLELY to illicit a response from Anet on the issue.

Anet shouldn't be trolling Fan forums to catch botters, Anet shouldn't be policing their game here in any way. Period.

As for the site that shall not be named, it's been mentioned (and removed) often enough here on Guru that many of us have seen it, and if we're in any way curious about the site that shall not be named, Google can find things on the internet, or so I hear...

No response from Anet still, unless they stealthily posted it on GWG2... which would surprise no-one.

In lieu of an official response, perhaps we could all go to Kamadan international district 1 and dance in a conga line, and speculate about next years mini pets... that's some old school GG style CR response right there.

lemming

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20 May 2010 at 05:13 - 623

Quote:

Originally Posted by vamp08

A lot of the major "supporters" of this thread seem to know the botting site very well.

Case of the pot calling the kettle black?

Anet, look at the guys naming/describing the bots, they are the same guys who use them.

/thread

Using google is difficult.

Ariovist Lynxkind

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20 May 2010 at 06:05 - 624

Quote:

Originally Posted by vamp08

A lot of the major "supporters" of this thread seem to know the botting site very well.

Case of the pot calling the kettle black?

Anet, look at the guys naming/describing the bots, they are the same guys who use them.

/thread

It is called research, finding out how the enemy does it.

AtomicMew

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20 May 2010 at 07:19 - 625

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ariovist Lynxkind

It is called research, finding out how the enemy does it.

Of course, you have to test it out for a couple days, just to know your enemy REALLY well. Or maybe a couple of months just to be thorough. ;o

Apok

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20 May 2010 at 08:14 - 626

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

Honestly, closing the thread would be a waste. Anet needs to be aware of these issues.

Speaking of which, the new HA protbot is almost done. Basically, it reads enemy skill usage and pre-prots spikes, lifts conditions in less than a second, hexes in the same, and etc.

It's going to be bad.

Um, about that new protbot... that sounds exactly like how the prot henchie works right now...

But that is beside the point. This is getting out of hand, and we need to help find a solution to this problem.

Honestly, though, I don't know what action needs to be taken. Does Anet have to ban every reported botter, or will that just cause their income to go up from botters buying new accounts? Do they need to implement Punkbuster or something? Get rid of the TexMod feature?

I'm all out of brain juice on this matter. What I'm trying to get across here is that botting is nothing new; gaming companies struggle with it everyday, even with the latest bot-catching equipment out there. Demanding to hear if they are interested in doing anything about it is worthless; this is and always will be an ongoing thing and the only way to halt it is to widespread ban, which I am sure no company will ever do without 110% proof.

fowlero

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20 May 2010 at 08:54 - 627

Quote:

Originally Posted by vamp08

A lot of the major "supporters" of this thread seem to know the botting site very well.

Case of the pot calling the kettle black?

Anet, look at the guys naming/describing the bots, they are the same guys who use them.

/thread

Such a stupid thing to say, all you have to do is look at the website and it'll tell you everything.

Considering we're being forced to play against this shit I'd rather know what it's capable of than not, albeit what little help it is.

Mangione

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20 May 2010 at 09:28 - 628

Quote:

Originally Posted by vamp08

A lot of the major "supporters" of this thread seem to know the botting site very well.

Case of the pot calling the kettle black?

Anet, look at the guys naming/describing the bots, they are the same guys who use them.

/thread

/facepalm.

I didn't know about any botting site until I saw this thread.
Then I went to google and in five minutes got all the informations that Karate Jesus is relaying to us in this thread.

It is really not hard to find a bot if you have the slightest clue on how to write wordz'n'stuff in the google search bar.

And, as Del already said, before starting a thread to bitch about something, it is better to do some research.

Vamp, please, fail less.

gone

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20 May 2010 at 09:52 - 629

I get the feeling that someone is trying to make a personal army out of guru users. bot issues or not. I'm sorry, just calling it like I see it.

when it was an issue in the past, they (anet) sure as hell cleaned up...what was it? granite citadel? so yeah.

fowlero

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20 May 2010 at 09:59 - 630

Quote:

Originally Posted by flubber

I get the feeling that someone is trying to make a personal army out of guru users. bot issues or not. I'm sorry, just calling it like I see it.

when it was an issue in the past, they (anet) sure as hell cleaned up...what was it? granite citadel? so yeah.

Yeah anet has been good in the past with farmbots. And although i don't know if it's true, i think any game will always have PvE farmbots because many of the things in PvE are so easily repeated that it is basically unreal to think of stopping them any way than banning.

However my issue is the PvP bots, which are more like direct gamehacks. To my knowledge Anet's never made much of a public message on these (unlike pve bots), which worries me for GW2 and of course for the continued "enjoyability" of GW.

I mean, there's now a common HA build being run of a Tease botmes with 7 rupts sat on the defense, with 5 SF ele's and 2 monks.

gone

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20 May 2010 at 10:09 - 631

I'm sure they are watching and waiting. same as they have done in the past. it just might be a little longer before any action is taken, this late in the game's life. After all, I'm pretty sure the game is considered to be in 'maintenance' mode.

what some people seem to NOT realize, is...

while this thread was probably meant to do good, it has probably done more bad. hence my previous post.

Killed u man

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20 May 2010 at 11:17 - 632

Quote:

Originally Posted by flubber

I'm sure they are watching and waiting. same as they have done in the past. it just might be a little longer before any action is taken, this late in the game's life. After all, I'm pretty sure the game is considered to be in 'maintenance' mode.

what some people seem to NOT realize, is...

while this thread was probably meant to do good, it has probably done more bad. hence my previous post.

How exactly?

Is raising an army of people with pitchforks against botters bad?
Is making people aware of the fact that every form of "competition" in GW is getting botted up to the highest tiers?

Whilst I agree that after 40 pages, stuff is getting a bit redundant, the longer this thread stays alive, the better. There simply is no reason to close it. Unless botters come in here, flaming the shit out of "us" and we out of them, then I can see it closed. Untill then, this thread seems a perfect container to dump everyone's anger in untill Anet finally resolves this issue.

McMullen

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20 May 2010 at 11:22 - 633

I guess one positive thing is some people are stupid enough to try and buy scripts and end up being scammed.. If you're daft enough to trust a cheater then you deserve to be shafted.

To Chicken To Die

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20 May 2010 at 13:56 - 634

Maybe it's just the time but this botting is indeed getting way out of hand. PvB (player vs bot) is currently what the whole game is about. And Anet's excuse is simply were short on man power. Also this can put simply as our people working on GW2 and the leftovers still active on GW1 are simply to stupid to handle this stuff.
Today I googled a bit and indeed it took me 10 min to find a other forum were bots were giving out free for everyone to use including how to use. I will not post this site ofc but it wouldn't even matter since it is that easy to find. The in-game function to report botting also does not work either by failer of the function, countered by scripts or Moderaters couldn't handle the reports (I don't know why these were assumptions for those that only can troll).

And yes this discusion forum is and has been a way for players to put out there frustation and to flame for more then half of the threads. And we all know it but don't say it cus we will get our post deleted or banned on these forums. There is simply no discussion in this regarding botting since we all know this discusion has no other use then get your frustation out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by trcvrs

Of course, you have to test it out for a couple days, just to know your enemy REALLY well. Or maybe a couple of months just to be thorough. ;o

These scripts do not even needed to be tested out. Even people without basic knowledge know how it works and can simply see how it works and that it works.

Missing HB

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20 May 2010 at 14:19 - 635

Having pages and pages about this is nice , but will still make the situation worse if nothing is done . There's a kind of " paranoia " now , everyone believe one is a bot , because he rupted anything . Even if it's easy to guess someone with 8 rupts has lot of chance to be a bot , some others are not really . Now , with those new kind of bot reported , everyone will claim xx is a bot prot .

Like earlier , i found it fun to be called botter ( by [GaGA] ppl , discuss.. ) because i succeded to random rupt WoW only .
Anyway , thats right , more and more people do bot now , but more and more people believe any mesmer is a bot aswell .

To Chicken To Die

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20 May 2010 at 14:28 - 636

Quote:

Originally Posted by Missing HB

Having pages and pages about this is nice , but will still make the situation worse if nothing is done . There's a kind of " paranoia " now , everyone believe one is a bot , because he rupted anything . Even if it's easy to guess someone with 8 rupts has lot of chance to be a bot , some others are not really . Now , with those new kind of bot reported , everyone will claim xx is a bot prot .

Like earlier , i found it fun to be called botter ( by [GaGA] ppl , discuss.. ) because i succeded to random rupt WoW only .
Anyway , thats right , more and more people do bot now , but more and more people believe any mesmer is a bot aswell .

Anyone playing RA for a hour a day or so and a few weeks a day knows people from gaGA bot. (I met a few Mo/W bots today) But lucky random rupts that all hit is indeed hard to believe but interupting WoH is not that hard since it is a 1 sec skill (these are possible to be interupted without much practice 50% of the time seeing normal human response.) Most bots are obvios cus the scripts are handed out on the internet and they all use the same skills, same response and are therefore easy to detect. Ofcourse there are a lot of people getting frustated and go report anything that works against them. This also are reports to random rupters keeping shooting rupts the whole time and succeed a few times. To put it simple the problems are already past the point of making more problems such as rapidly reporting of assumptions.

Eragon Zarroc

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20 May 2010 at 14:31 - 637

Quote:

Originally Posted by Missing HB

There's a kind of " paranoia " now , everyone believe one is a bot.

mass bot panic with people making false botting reports on even the smallest suspicion of botting which can lead to non-botters being banned. agreed. this thread is just people freaking out. hysteria.

fowlero

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20 May 2010 at 14:31 - 638

It's pretty easy to tell when/when not someones botting but you are right in that the term is being really overused. However there really are a lot more bots than they're used to be and it isn't just hysteria.

It's like it's become the new "noob" insult for sore losers, though it seems only in HA... But that's hardly surprising considering the normal player mentality there.

Rocky Raccoon

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20 May 2010 at 14:39 - 639

Behind every bot is a dishonest person, do we really think dishonest people will just go away? If the botters were somehow all banned, how many posts would we see about "how I was unfairly banned"? Has anyone put forth a a rational and cost efficient solution to the problem? How about all honest people boycotting PvP for a set period, thus leaving only the botters, who can then be identified, it might be a silly idea but who knows. Just a few random thoughts.

Axeman002

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20 May 2010 at 15:04 - 640

i take it this petition hasnt work then....