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Karate Jesus

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20 May 2010 at 15:14 - 641

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Originally Posted by Axeman002

i take it this petition hasnt work then....

It seems that even though Anet "takes notice if a thread gets 400 replies", they seem to either not care or not want to address the issue.

In either case, this thread is pointless w/o a response from an Anet employee. Actually, it does a great deal of harm to the game for players to see that Anet has not responded, simply because it implies that there will be no action taken against botters (something that many here have already reported).

Unless we get a response from Anet in the next few days.....this thread is just a signpost for trouble and should probably be closed. Without an official statement of them working against botting in some capacity, this thread will only embolden botters to continue doing what they do best.

Arduin

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20 May 2010 at 15:37 - 642

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Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc

mass bot panic with people making false botting reports on even the smallest suspicion of botting which can lead to non-botters being banned. agreed. this thread is just people freaking out. hysteria.

You are assuming if people are reported they get banned automatically. I suppose the person that pushes the banbutton would examine that particular player intensively (gameplay logs), so if that player is innocent, he won't be banned, no matter the amount of (false) reports.

Infanta

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20 May 2010 at 15:41 - 643

this thread makes it tempting to go out and bot seeing as apparantly I wont get banned for it.

Icy The Mage

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20 May 2010 at 15:58 - 644

Sucks, I can't run my mesmer build in RA now with 6 interrupts with Symbols of Inspiration D:

AtomicMew

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20 May 2010 at 16:35 - 645

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Originally Posted by Icy The Mage

Sucks, I can't run my mesmer build in RA now with 6 interrupts with Symbols of Inspiration D:

Let's pretend like you could before.

Karate Jesus

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20 May 2010 at 16:38 - 646

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Originally Posted by trcvrs

Let's pretend like you could before.

I think he meant he couldn't do it because people would report him as a bot.

Back on topic, I left a message on Gaile's talk page about this thread. We'll just have to see if she or any other Anet employees have actually seen the thread.

tripplesix

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20 May 2010 at 17:22 - 647

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

I think he meant he couldn't do it because people would report him as a bot.

Back on topic, I left a message on Gaile's talk page about this thread. We'll just have to see if she or any other Anet employees have actually seen the thread.

Are you fäcking shitting me? Of course they have seen the thread but not bothered to respond.
I remember when Regina posted in another thread, it was right above this one.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/e...t10437560.html

Karate Jesus

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20 May 2010 at 17:27 - 648

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Originally Posted by tripplesix

Are you fäcking shitting me? Of course they have seen the thread but not bothered to respond.
I remember when Regina posted in another thread, it was right above this one.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/e...t10437560.html

I have no doubts that they've seen it. I just wanted them to be given the benefit-of-the-doubt.

Hopefully, she'll actually give us some type of response (most likely some bullshit PR).

Schnellburg

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20 May 2010 at 17:53 - 649

The way I look at it...If they haven't give a response yet, then they kinda already have. They aren't going to do a thing about botting it looks like. This thread is from the 3rd, Regina posted on the 14th on a different thread, so they know this is here.

They either
A) Don't care about botters
B) CBA to deal with them.
C) Don't know how to deal with them
D) All the above.

You pick the right answer.

Septeric

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20 May 2010 at 18:06 - 650

and once again for all the non-readers.

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Anet shouldn't be trolling Fan forums to catch botters, Anet shouldn't be policing their game here in any way. Period.

no official forums = epic fail

just where should we go?

lol @ anet...
damn kj.. really thought something would have been said by now.

snaek

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20 May 2010 at 18:51 - 651

well how about adding a poll to the thread to get a better headcount, rather than relying on post count which has been bloated by repeat posters.

Karate Jesus

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20 May 2010 at 18:56 - 652

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Originally Posted by snaek

well how about adding a poll to the thread to get a better headcount, rather than relying on post count which has been bloated by repeat posters.

A poll for what? Whether or not Anet should do something about botting? That would be a pretty one-sided poll.

The point was simply to make Anet aware of what was happening in their game. They apparently don't care.

snaek

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20 May 2010 at 19:00 - 653

^to get a better headcount to measure how successful the petition is. of course its going to be one-sided, but its a matter of getting as many votes as it can. its better than using the "400 post count" reference.

also, i've been saying since the start of the thread that anet won't reply. i don't know if its me being cynical, or you guys being naive, but i don't think they really have anything to say. if they did respond out of simple courtesy (which would be nice), that response would elicit countless amount of questions that the pr would/could not be able to handle.

Septeric

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20 May 2010 at 19:03 - 654

opinion:
wouldn't hurt to have one... but is 100 or so that would /signed.. be worth anything against the 7k new bottters that are reading this thread?

meh.. lets see

cosyfiep

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20 May 2010 at 19:30 - 655

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Originally Posted by Infanta

this thread makes it tempting to go out and bot seeing as apparantly I wont get banned for it.

I believe this is the message that anet is sending by NOT responding to this issue-----'we arent banning bots so its ok'???? (shakes head)

I dont believe this is the message they wish to be sending, however; without any response I dont see any other options.........

Silverblad3

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20 May 2010 at 20:03 - 656

This is how exactly anet will deal with complex issues in GW2.....buried head.

They ignore the issue and hope that the folks who care do not bother with GW2 as they dont want whiners, complainers and QQers, they want a bunch of morons, customers who want to be treated as shit and fan boys for gw2.......

People are right, more folks will turn to bots then before...sad day...in fact sad times...

Very sad...

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20 May 2010 at 20:06 - 657

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

I have no doubts that they've seen it. I just wanted them to be given the benefit-of-the-doubt.

Hopefully, she'll actually give us some type of response (most likely some bullshit PR).

does a few responses from testkrewe members count? trying to stick up for Anet by telling us they are aware and its being discused

but seriously, as ive said before, im expecting the normal "yes we know about the problem and are banning the botters all the time" response. or the behind the scenes mass ban that we dont find out til after the fact when we see the mass threads pop up with the people who were wrongly banned yet everyone in the community starts bad mouthing them coming to Anet's defense with the "well if you got banned you must of be a bot", because we know on here your guilty til proven innocent.

in the end there is no one to blame for the problem other then Anet. they didnt hit the original timeline for GW2 and as a solution introduced grind into the game to try and keep people playing. the community was smarter and came up with ways around the grind. now their hands are tied. they are just better off getting GW2 up and running, if they cant fix the problem with bots in GW1 then be damn sure its not possible in GW2.

Rocky Raccoon

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20 May 2010 at 20:18 - 658

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Originally Posted by R_Frost

in the end there is no one to blame for the problem other then Anet..

The ones you blame are the cheaters who use bots. There is no defense for cheating even if you say you do so to counteract the other cheaters. If the game has become unplayable, the best way to show ANET that fact is stop playing.

Schnellburg

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20 May 2010 at 20:37 - 659

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Originally Posted by Rocky Raccoon

The ones you blame are the cheaters who use bots. There is no defense for cheating even if you say you do so to counteract the other cheaters. If the game has become unplayable, the best way to show ANET that fact is stop playing.

Have you ever cheated in a game before? Only those without sin shall cast the 1st stone....Ever heard that before? O.o

Fay Vert

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20 May 2010 at 20:45 - 660

Do nothing and the problem gets works.
Ban the bots and GW becomes ghost town.

I think a better approach would be to make it so that bots don't work, or GW client doesn't work while a bot is running. Unfortunately that is easier said than done, but I woujldn't ban them and I wouldn't do nothing.

Rocky Raccoon

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20 May 2010 at 20:50 - 661

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Originally Posted by Schnellburg

Have you ever cheated in a game before? Only those without sin shall cast the 1st stone....Ever heard that before? O.o

Yes I have and I have never cheated in an online game, so may I throw the stone?

Schnellburg

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20 May 2010 at 22:27 - 662

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Originally Posted by Rocky Raccoon

Yes I have and I have never cheated in an online game, so may I throw the stone?

Nope because you have cheated. It is human nature to lie, no one is innocent, and if you deny it, you are again lying.

It is a game, a 5 year old game. If people wanna bot and risk their accounts, then hey by all means let them. Just keep reporting them, and maybe Anet will do something about it eventually.

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20 May 2010 at 23:04 - 663

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Originally Posted by Schnellburg

Nope because you have cheated. It is human nature to lie, no one is innocent, and if you deny it, you are again lying.

Sounds a whole lot more like you are trying to feel better about cheating yourself, i.e. attempting to label others cheats and drag them down to your level.

Or is it just "Welcome to Draconian times!"

I've never cheated in an online game either. Where's the point? Hell, back in the days of pre-online gaming, I even took the added measure of discontinuing my purchase of such publications as "Gamefan" etc, because they had cheat sections, which I'd rather not have sitting around tempting me to destroy my enjoyment of the games the cheats were for.

Now if we could just get back on topic, that'd be nice. One thing I gotta note, I noticed a ways back in this thread that someone mentioned that some of the "Bots" in Zos Shivros had gotten r6 wis. It'd be hilarious in the extreme if they were actually referring to me, lol, because I farm the Halcyon Job quite a bit, and am r6.. I say this only because I haven't seen that rank on any of the bots there, only me..

Must honestly say that if nothing else, this thread has brought my attention to several really good farms that I was previously unaware of.

If you wanna see who the bots in Zos are, just look for the necro's that run sideways. Simple, eh.

Bob Slydell

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20 May 2010 at 23:16 - 664

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Do nothing and the problem gets works.
Ban the bots and GW becomes ghost town.

I think a better approach would be to make it so that bots don't work, or GW client doesn't work while a bot is running. Unfortunately that is easier said than done, but I woujldn't ban them and I wouldn't do nothing.

I'd rather be in a game community with 100,000 mature trusted people than 1,000,000 with 900,000 bots.

Fay Vert

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20 May 2010 at 23:25 - 665

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Originally Posted by Bob Slydell

I'd rather be in a game community with 100,000 mature trusted people than 1,000,000 with 900,000 bots.

Would you rather be in a clean community of 5000 people or a community of 50,000 who used to bot for titles but can't anymore?

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20 May 2010 at 23:25 - 666

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Originally Posted by Bob Slydell

I'd rather be in a game community with 100,000 mature trusted people than 1,000,000 with 900,000 bots.

They don't necessarily have to be mature, just not bloody cheats. Most immature types, i.e. kids, don't cheat until they're taught to, so maturity is no indicator IMO.
Trustworthy and honest, now that would be nice. Whatever did happen to Utopia?

Ninja Ninja

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20 May 2010 at 23:33 - 667

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Would you rather be in a clean community of 5000 people or a community of 50,000 who used to bot for titles but can't anymore?

Clean community of 5000. Cheating should never be rewarded.

Killed u man

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20 May 2010 at 23:42 - 668

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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja

Clean community of 5000. Cheating should never be rewarded.

When Anet awarded people for wiki builds in the henchman skillbar contest, they did exactly this.

As I've said before, the current version of bots can easily be detected. This is not a matter of these bots being undetectable, it's a question about Anet being too lazy.

I've even heard that you yourself can detect other botters (injections) using certain client-server protocols which gives you (as the client) some acces to other client's logs. I don't know the exact details or workings, but in essence this program will tell you wether or not the opposing player injected something into GW. (And I think it can even give you the name of the program)

So if this shit is possible, there is no excuse for Anet. This is 100% them completely not caring. Rephrasing: they care, but they can't be asked doing the least bit of effort to keep GW1 going, with the exception of the current "War in Kryta' shiz going on. But even that has been "meh" so far.

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20 May 2010 at 23:55 - 669

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

As I've said before, the current version of bots can easily be detected. This is not a matter of these bots being undetectable, it's a question about Anet being too lazy.

Actually, it's about being too cheap to expend the money to hire a large enough support staff to police the game. My suspicion is that ANet would like to do this, but someone at NCSoft refuses to let them spend the money.

Throwing money at the problem is the only way ANet can solve it. Trying to close the flaws or institute an automated detection process would just set off the classic arms race between the cheaters and the developers...and I've yet to see a developer win that race.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

I've even heard that you yourself can detect other botters (injections) using certain client-server protocols which gives you (as the client) some acces to other client's logs. I don't know the exact details or workings, but in essence this program will tell you wether or not the opposing player injected something into GW. (And I think it can even give you the name of the program)

That's pretty troubling if it's true. Sounds like a possible malware vector.

Bob Slydell

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20 May 2010 at 23:56 - 670

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Would you rather be in a clean community of 5000 people or a community of 50,000 who used to bot for titles but can't anymore?

I believe Ninja Ninja answered for me the question dead on, but I'll re answer.

Clean 5000, because cheating SUCKS. And, you KNOW it.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

When Anet awarded people for wiki builds in the henchman skillbar contest, they did exactly this.

I fail to see how. The builds weren't summoned forth by some master robot, they were CREATED by people and submitted to the wiki at one time.

Fay Vert

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21 May 2010 at 00:03 - 671

Ever played an MMORPG with a total population of 5,000?

Add in geographic and time differences, multiple chapters and many zones and good luck finding anyone to play with.

It has often been said that without the bots, nobody would be able to play areas like JQ.

Absolutely cheating is wrong, absolutely it should be stopped, but think carefully before you throw thousands out of the game. For ANet that is customers they are chucking off, for players, that is the community gone.

Also, would you like to explain to an under resourced support team that they banned you unfairly and you have never used a bot?

snaek

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21 May 2010 at 00:13 - 672

^fay vert... gw is already a ghost town. what do you think h/h is for?. but to answer your question, yes, i've played numerous mmo's (notably ones with private servers) with populations sitting under 5000.

big population or small, it would be safe to say that the majority prefers having a circle or group of friends, rather than playing with a different strangers every day. this is why people form guilds, clans, and whathaveyous.

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21 May 2010 at 00:17 - 673

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Absolutely cheating is wrong, absolutely it should be stopped, but think carefully before you throw thousands out of the game. For ANet that is customers they are chucking off, for players, that is the community gone.

I really don't think you get it. There is NO fence. A person cheats absolutely or they don't cheat and a bot is the absolute epitome of a cheat.

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Also, would you like to explain to an under resourced support team that they banned you unfairly and you have never used a bot?

Nope, wouldn't bother personally, I'd just /uninstall and go play something that isn't in the careful guiding hands of idiots.

Ninja Ninja

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21 May 2010 at 00:18 - 674

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Ever played an MMORPG with a total population of 5,000?

Add in geographic and time differences, multiple chapters and many zones and good luck finding anyone to play with.

It has often been said that without the bots, nobody would be able to play areas like JQ.

When has a bot ever contributed to a group, luxon side jq is unpopular because of the bots and leechers.

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

For ANet that is customers they are chucking off, for players, that is the community gone.

Do you think the honest community is going to stick around when a dishonest one is going unpunished and without an honest community to troll the dishonest ones will get bored and quit.

Bob Slydell

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21 May 2010 at 00:55 - 675

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Ever played an MMORPG with a total population of 5,000?

Yes, I have and got my 2 years of fun out of it. It's called EverQuest II. There are at least that many people on each one of their servers. The game is mostly soloable if you know what you're doing, and if you need a group or raid to help you with an epic you shout in world chat, or if you have social skills - it isn't hard to get into a guild. With a small community, there is a lot of trust like I saw in that game. It's like a large guild. In GW's terms, 5000 isn't bad either because I've rarely ever pugged and thats what AI is there for, to help you when you can't find/don't want a group.

Most MMO's are so big, it doesn't even matter half the time how many people play. Last time I tried WoW I'd see 2 or 3 other people in random small outposts along the road, maybe 5-10 in stormwind, that game has like 10 million and this was one of the heavier-loaded servers too.

Schnellburg

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21 May 2010 at 01:38 - 676

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Originally Posted by Turbo Ginsu

I really don't think you get it. There is NO fence. A person cheats absolutely or they don't cheat and a bot is the absolute epitome of a cheat.

Nope, wouldn't bother personally, I'd just /uninstall and go play something that isn't in the careful guiding hands of idiots.

Were already playing a game in guiding hands of idiots. So why are you still playing?

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21 May 2010 at 02:07 - 677

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Originally Posted by Schnellburg

Were already playing a game in guiding hands of idiots. So why are you still playing?

That's your opinion. In my opinion, it has yet to be proven utterly. I've seen a few games over the years get ruined by bots, and it's certainly a hard road that aNet have to tread with it.

I wouldn't classify them as idiots yet though. I hope the next couple months will prove that point true or false, just for the sake of a bit of bloody closure or relief from a few less bots.

Can't see them ever banning me for botting though, I'm too crap to possibly be a bot.

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21 May 2010 at 02:58 - 678

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

It has often been said that without the bots, nobody would be able to play areas like JQ.

Absolutely cheating is wrong, absolutely it should be stopped, but think carefully before you throw thousands out of the game. For ANet that is customers they are chucking off, for players, that is the community gone.

Also, would you like to explain to an under resourced support team that they banned you unfairly and you have never used a bot?

The Luxon side of JQ has fewer real players DUE TO THE BOTS, it's arguable that Jade Quarry would have more players if the bots were removed...

Anet wouldn't be 'chucking off customers' they already have the botters money, and most bot users are (presumably) smart enough to be using alt accounts.
I don't see bots out there joining PvE pugs or making the PvP environment a better or more enjoyable place to play... losing them harms the community naught, it's all win if Anet manages come up with an effective detection method, it's RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing epic win if they manage to ban most of these RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOers... if they manage to match IPs and trade patterns and snare their primary (non bot) accounts too, then that would be epic win with a side order of lulz.

I've been wrongly caught up in a bot sweep before, wasn't fun to be sure, support took under half an hour to restore the account as I recall.

DreamWind

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21 May 2010 at 04:42 - 679

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Originally Posted by Rocky Raccoon

The ones you blame are the cheaters who use bots. There is no defense for cheating even if you say you do so to counteract the other cheaters. If the game has become unplayable, the best way to show ANET that fact is stop playing.

Yea...that will show them. *internet sarcasm button*

Cacheelma

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21 May 2010 at 06:53 - 680

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Ever played an MMORPG with a total population of 5,000?

You did not just ask that on a GW board. Although I think nobody will agree.