Dervish Update

The entire build brings forth this kind of damage. Not just that single skill though. You add the 30% from VoS and the 25%(?) from AoHM. Then add damage from attack skills. Throw in some Asura Scan and you've got even more damage. Maybe have a monk throw SoH on you? All those damage boosts will add up to big damage. There's the 42 base attack damage. Then you get about 67 from SoH. Then you can basically multiply that by 2 since asura scan and the two other buffs will take you to 105% damage. So you're dealing 124 with base attacks. If you deal say +20 damage with some scythe attack you're gonna be dealing 164 damage. If you can do this once every second and a half that's nothing to scoff at. Wit ha decent IAS it's even better.



This isn't per attack. It's per attack skill. Big difference. And earthshaker buffed with some adren support can keep a decent sized group on the ground for awhile. Then there's the fact that warriors have stonefist insignias which makes KD last that much longer.

Also in PvE everything can't get knocked down. So I really don't see it as overpowered. Plus it makes sense with the wording for Vow of Strength to knock people down. It fits nicely in my opinion.



Adding blind PLUS damage on every enchants end would help juggling a lot. It'd basically make even the most worthless enchant have a decent end effect. But they would obviously need to overhaul all of earth prayers along with changing this skill for it to be completely useful.


Well in WiK content the melee classes always like to run behind my frontline to attack my backline. A snare would make it that much more difficult. But be honest my change is infinitely better than the skills current functionality. This elite gets beaten by another non elite skill in the same attribute line. That's unacceptable. This skill is the amity of the Dervish. So yea maybe it does even more juice. I just can't think of what to add.


I understand. I think some of my changes give Dervishes these things. Just assume all my changes have a req of 4-8 in myst and some downside if you don't meet that req.


Also I kind of want to see changes for the non avatar mysticism elites out there. It would be cool to see peoples ideas on this. VoS builds don't have enough energy to do much in the way of attack skills. Maybe one every 4 seconds or so. That'll add maybe 10 dps max, even with all the buffs. Zealous Vow builds have higher attack speeds than VoS.

Hey, you said "scythe attacks", not "scythe attack skills"!

Fine. I have no objections. But I still don't see how that will help, honestly. The dervish can either be better at knockdowns than the warrior, or not. If it's not (which is what you seem to indicate), I don't see the class being used for that purpose.

If you can get enchantment juggling to provide damage that rivals scythes, then blindspam might become useful. But keep in mind that perma blind isn't really much better than SY (less effective against melee, but it is a buff rather than a debuff and affects caster damage). So the usefulness of the class would still be questionable at best.

As far as party defense goes, snares are at the bottom of the effectiveness scale. If you're going to take the time and attribute points for a snare, you'd technically be better off spending them on some other, more active, form of defense, such as blindness (as in your other idea), weakness, or SY. Active stuff like that would fit far better. Hey, what about daze? I'm not trying to say that your idea of giving the dervish a damage boost plus something defensive in the same elite isn't a good strategy (it's a great idea), I just have issue with snares as being that something.

Arcane Zeal is an absolutely crappy ER that is only useful for Orders (and even then, the fact that you have lower blood magic and need to burn your elite makes the dervish an inferior choice). Not sure what you could do with that other than a complete functionality change. Oh well, no big loss. It's only good for a build that is already done better on another profession anyway.

Pious Renewal requires enchantments to be ending on you all the time. I do have a crappy but fun build that uses the latter for enchantment juggling (though again, it absolutely sucks). Maybe if that skill added something useful? Like what if it did, say, 40 holy damage each time an enchantment ended on you? Of course, in practice that idea probably wouldn't work because of scatter, but most of my more off-the-wall ideas are like that. Come to think of it, this might be a better fit for bel's EDA idea, because it would provide energy while blinding things while encouraging dervishes to do what they were designed to do.

If all the changes are double-linked to mysticism, then good. I don't have to worry about secondary abuse when analyzing these things.

Moving zealous vow on it's own won't solve anything, because warriors can still use WE. Now, if WE was nerfed into uselessness at the same time, THEN we'd be good (at least as far as not being completely redundant).

If Vow of Silence were like that, it would be roughly as powerful as the old SF, because dervishes would just take offensive spells for damage from their secondary and use Earth Prayers to tank physicals. Very bad idea.