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Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

IN my pocket plane. Obviously!

Little Tom's Pocket Plane [THom]

Me/Mo

22 May 2010 at 22:15 - 201

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

PI will definitely be nerfed, but when? And what were the test crewe and the designers thinking?

I'm guessing soon enough, which means in less than 6 mounth/probably a mounth.
They probably are keeping an eye on mesmers for an emergency patch.

majoho

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Denmark

22 May 2010 at 22:22 - 202

I don't really see how it's that OP'ed.

In PvP it's 3 secs as far as I can tell and in PvE it's 4 secs, however you will have to make a "compromise build" if you want the full 4 seconds.

Again that's just my initial impression feel free to tell me why I might be wrong.

prism2525

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Among dead bodies.

The Republic of Sky Pirates

E/

23 May 2010 at 00:18 - 203

Someone was drinking too much tequila while writing the updates. I mean look:

Mesmer armor :60
IW bonus max: 40
insignia: 10
shield: 8
TOTAL: 118

I may be missing something here but still... wow

Willow O Whisper

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

Denmark

Knights Of The Sacred Light [KSL]

Me/A

23 May 2010 at 00:43 - 204

Quote:

Originally Posted by prism2525

Someone was drinking too much tequila while writing the updates. I mean look:

Mesmer armor :60
IW bonus max: 40
insignia: 10
shield: 8
TOTAL: 118

I may be missing something here but still... wow

Well if you want to sacrifice your elite slot on it... Honestly the only self heal you've got is illusion of weakness... No way it could take the warriors spot or the likes... also this is pve only an area that the mesmer has been lacking in for about...... 5 years.. I think it's fair enough..
+ whitout an ias the iw build (your calculations are done with a full illusion bar nothing else) The damage compared to other builds is laughable...

It's still fun though

R_Frost

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

California

Me/

23 May 2010 at 01:30 - 205

Quote:

Originally Posted by prism2525

Someone was drinking too much tequila while writing the updates. I mean look:

Mesmer armor :60
IW bonus max: 40
insignia: 10
shield: 8
TOTAL: 118

I may be missing something here but still... wow

the reason behind my earlier post in this thread. we know shield and weapon armor bonus's dont count towards armor stacking cap, but where does the IW armor bonus fit in? does that count or not? does the armor stacking cap figure in after the bonus for how many illusion skills u have? if so could you imagine the possibilities of a profession like the Ele abusing this? ive come up with an E/Me build that could have 178 armor if the illusion skill armor bonus doesnt count toward the armor cap.

Black Metal

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2009

N/

23 May 2010 at 01:37 - 206

good analysis Willow -- it's a balanced elite, since it funnels the entire build into Illusion skills, which means no PvE skills which itself is a disadvantage. And Illusion is a generally a pretty weak attribute, since you'll be spending much of your time recasting, and not attacking. Maybe the best use of IW is to go tank, cast spells as a front liner. And using a weapon means you won't getting the best casting mods, and won't have that much energy. I say it's balanced.

placebo overdose

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

N/

23 May 2010 at 02:16 - 207

Quote:

Originally Posted by prism2525

Someone was drinking too much tequila while writing the updates. I mean look:

Mesmer armor :60
IW bonus max: 40
insignia: 10
shield: 8
TOTAL: 118

I may be missing something here but still... wow

in reality that is a mediocre tank that is susceptible ench removal

Magragoc

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2009

23 May 2010 at 02:29 - 208

Quote:

Originally Posted by R_Frost

the reason behind my earlier post in this thread. we know shield and weapon armor bonus's dont count towards armor stacking cap, but where does the IW armor bonus fit in? does that count or not? does the armor stacking cap figure in after the bonus for how many illusion skills u have? if so could you imagine the possibilities of a profession like the Ele abusing this? ive come up with an E/Me build that could have 178 armor if the illusion skill armor bonus doesnt count toward the armor cap.

To quote myself from earlier answering your question:

Quote:

A single skill can bypass the cap, so yes; you can bring all Illusion skills and have +40 armor. Insignias and Shields all stack as well.

untitled2005

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

23 May 2010 at 02:39 - 209

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemming

Update - Friday, May 21, 2010

* Improved the skill set used by Mindblade Specters in the Underworld.

Now Mindblades have leech signet, the days of chaos plain ecto farm are over

Dark Paladin X

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

A/

23 May 2010 at 03:27 - 210

I'm guessing they intentionally nerfed Sliver Armor and disguise it as a "bug fix" to highly discourage solo farming.

I'm guessing Spiteful Spirit, the W/N raptor build, and vaetirr farming is next.

They have a clear message now, ArenaNet is against solo farming in all forms.

Great, how am I suppose to farm the Scar Eater now? or Woe Spreader (staves for Discordway heroes)? Oh wait, the later is IMPOSSIBLE to farm after that SF nerf.

Figures.

DigitalFear

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2009

My mother's basement.

Me/

23 May 2010 at 03:31 - 211

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

I'm guessing they intentionally nerfed Sliver Armor and disguise it as a "bug fix" to highly discourage solo farming.

I'm guessing Spiteful Spirit, the W/N raptor build, and vaetirr farming is next.

They have a clear message now, ArenaNet is against solo farming in all forms.

Great, how am I suppose to farm the Scar Eater now? or Woe Spreader (staves for Discordway heroes)? Oh wait, the later is IMPOSSIBLE to farm after that SF nerf.

Figures.

Are you still mad about the 25/2 nerf? Geez...

Dark Paladin X

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

A/

23 May 2010 at 03:38 - 212

Quote:

Originally Posted by DigitalFear

Are you still mad about the 25/2 nerf? Geez...

For the most part, yes. But I am using that Necro SV build for boss farming now, but only limited to the ones at the Kurzick areas.

I still really can't find a build that serves as an alternative to farming the Woe Spreader (i need to farm three more of these staffs for my PvE warrior that will replace my PvP only warrior for discordway builds). It's really impossible to farm that boss ever since the SF nerf considering 1) they have interrupts, and 2) they have nightmare weapon which can kill the 55 SV necro in one hit.

Black Metal

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2009

N/

23 May 2010 at 03:44 - 213

you can always flag heroes and spirit spam

MagmaRed

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2007

Our Crabs Know True [LOVE]

R/

23 May 2010 at 03:57 - 214

Dervish and Assassin are able to survive as melee classes with 70 AL armor. The change to IW can allow the Mesmer to have better armor than either of those 2 classes and still make use of and IAS and/or PvE skills. Toss in something like Blessed Insignias for +10 armor, and take IW, IoW, both Visages, and IAS (Flurry), and AoE attack (Cyclone Axe) and 2 PvE skills are you still have 60+20+10=90 AL, and that is without a shield. Not saying it is the best option, but the ability to stand in melee range is now a better option than it has ever been for a Mesmer.

Dark Paladin X

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

A/

23 May 2010 at 04:04 - 215

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Metal

you can always flag heroes and spirit spam

You do know that h/h affect drop rates even when you flag them.

Anyways, I did try SoS spamming Woe Spreader. It is a pain in the ass as the Naga keep killing off the spirits. I was thinking of the 55 SV necro, but interrupts and Nightmare Weapon (which is capable of killing the 55 monk/necro in one shot) are something to consider.

Again, I'm really out of options. Now that sliver armor is nerfed, there is no way I can farm the Scar Eater (I normally farm his staff for my monk heroes BTW).

Again, when it comes to farming, I prefer doing it solo without h/h and in HM (since the chances of getting a green weapon increases from my experience).

reaper with no name

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2009

FaZ

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23 May 2010 at 05:03 - 216

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerel

Most of the time when Anet delivers an update, they manage to break something, introduce a bug or just plain get it wrong... you don't want them to break the login screen now do you?

Yes, I was being facetious.

They did break the login screen. As if having to work on double faction weekend wasn't bad enough, now they won't even let me log in?

R_Frost

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

California

Me/

23 May 2010 at 05:26 - 217

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagmaRed

Dervish and Assassin are able to survive as melee classes with 70 AL armor. The change to IW can allow the Mesmer to have better armor than either of those 2 classes and still make use of and IAS and/or PvE skills. Toss in something like Blessed Insignias for +10 armor, and take IW, IoW, both Visages, and IAS (Flurry), and AoE attack (Cyclone Axe) and 2 PvE skills are you still have 60+20+10=90 AL, and that is without a shield. Not saying it is the best option, but the ability to stand in melee range is now a better option than it has ever been for a Mesmer.

dump flurry, add in the PvE skills, drunken master for increased movement and attack speed and great dwarf armor for the +24 armor and +60 health, bringing you to 114 armor then add shield for 8 more to 122 armor. oh and if anyone hasnt noticed yet, "By Ural's Hammer" does add more damage to IW. i tested that last night when i did the quest to get great dwarf armor. with 15 in illusion i was doing the base 40 damage for IW and Ural's hammer brought the damage to 50

Magragoc

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2009

23 May 2010 at 05:28 - 218

Quote:

Originally Posted by R_Frost

dump flurry, add in the PvE skills, drunken master for increased movement and attack speed and great dwarf armor for the +24 armor and +60 health, bringing you to 114 armor then add shield for 8 more to 122 armor. oh and if anyone hasnt noticed yet, "By Ural's Hammer" does add more damage to IW. i tested that last night when i did the quest to get great dwarf armor. with 15 in illusion i was doing the base 40 damage for IW and Ural's hammer brought the damage to 50

Great Dwarf Armor doesn't stack with the armor from Illusionary Weaponry.

Voodoo Rage

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

Sacramento, CA

Geezers

R/

23 May 2010 at 05:54 - 219

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

You do know that h/h affect drop rates even when you flag them.

No it doesn't. If they are greyed on the radar, it's the same as a solo farm when it comes to a weapon drop.

Aren't you the same guy who posted:

"Attention everyone! Raptor Farming, Nicholas the Traveler farming, and Boss Farming in HM is now officially impossible.

You can no longer farm:

* Woe Spreader (for your discordway heroes, luckily I manage to get the number of woe spreaders i needed prior to the nerf)
* Raptors
* Scar Eater
* Jayne Forestlight
* Tomton Spiriteater
* Shreader Sharptongue
* Korshek the Immolated
* Eshim Mindclouder
* Birneh Skybringer
* Chor the Bladed
* ecto farming (although that was nerfed earlier with the Skeletons of Dhumm)
* Shakor Firespear
* Jishol Darksong
* (rare) material farming (particularly feathers)
* elite tomes
* any items for Nicholas the Traveler

Good luck trying to find good weapons for your heroes or trying new builds."

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/u...0428096p3.html

Isn't the hyperbole whining routine getting a bit old?

Kumu Honua

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2008

23 May 2010 at 06:03 - 220

Nerf mesmers.

Nuff said.

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

23 May 2010 at 06:23 - 221

Did someone just say that farming items for nicholas is now impossible? That's a laugh. I haven't used SF or SA to farm items since the start.

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

23 May 2010 at 08:10 - 222

A lot of those mesmer changes look horribly OP to me.

I'll have to try them out before they get nerfed lol.

Risus

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2007

56min UW HM post-2/25 I win

FDR

A/

23 May 2010 at 08:14 - 223

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voodoo Rage

No it doesn't. If they are greyed on the radar, it's the same as a solo farm when it comes to a weapon drop.

Aren't you the same guy who posted:

"Attention everyone! Raptor Farming, Nicholas the Traveler farming, and Boss Farming in HM is now officially impossible.

You can no longer farm:

* Woe Spreader (for your discordway heroes, luckily I manage to get the number of woe spreaders i needed prior to the nerf)
* Raptors
* Scar Eater
* Jayne Forestlight
* Tomton Spiriteater
* Shreader Sharptongue
* Korshek the Immolated
* Eshim Mindclouder
* Birneh Skybringer
* Chor the Bladed
* ecto farming (although that was nerfed earlier with the Skeletons of Dhumm)
* Shakor Firespear
* Jishol Darksong
* (rare) material farming (particularly feathers)
* elite tomes
* any items for Nicholas the Traveler

Good luck trying to find good weapons for your heroes or trying new builds."

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/u...0428096p3.html

Isn't the hyperbole whining routine getting a bit old?

I literally laughed at the stupidity of that list. BTW UWSC with sliver is still doable in <1 hour. And I can farm all of that shit with Sliver STILL. And Sliver wasn't the only skill useful for farming. Its people like that who need to /uninstall because they have no brains and whenever the mindless build they are running gets nerfed, instead of thinking of new builds or new usages, they go "QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ ANET SUX"

Black Metal

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2009

N/

23 May 2010 at 08:15 - 224

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

You do know that h/h affect drop rates even when you flag them.

Again, when it comes to farming, I prefer doing it solo without h/h and in HM (since the chances of getting a green weapon increases from my experience).

wow you are a true source of misinformation~!

please tell me more!!

-Makai-

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2007

WA

DH

Rt/

23 May 2010 at 09:10 - 225

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagmaRed

Dervish and Assassin are able to survive as melee classes with 70 AL armor. The change to IW can allow the Mesmer to have better armor than either of those 2 classes and still make use of and IAS and/or PvE skills. Toss in something like Blessed Insignias for +10 armor, and take IW, IoW, both Visages, and IAS (Flurry), and AoE attack (Cyclone Axe) and 2 PvE skills are you still have 60+20+10=90 AL, and that is without a shield. Not saying it is the best option, but the ability to stand in melee range is now a better option than it has ever been for a Mesmer.

Thanks for reminding me of the Visage spells; I tried messing around with an IW build yesterday, but couldn't think of any more useful Illusion spells to add. Playboy duelist go!

dancing gnome

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

House of Wandering Souls

R/Rt

23 May 2010 at 10:39 - 226

LOL. Just been playing in Aspenwood now. Mesmers don't even need to interrupt you if you never have any energy to use skills to be interrupted while doing dps to you.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

23 May 2010 at 10:48 - 227

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sante_Kelm

Thanks for reminding me of the Visage spells; I tried messing around with an IW build yesterday, but couldn't think of any more useful Illusion spells to add. Playboy duelist go!

I would not define visages as "usefull" thou.

IW buff, while nice thought, it fairly wothless: Armor you get from GDA is much better and less slot-wasting than putting illusion weapon skills on your bar just for sake of having +5 armor (and whatever dubious effect they have ... but come on, if you cast them, you are not swinging weapon and if you tank enough to put defensive ones to use, your monk is going to be mad because enchant removal simply destorys you). Any skills that really help with IW: ias & multiattack are not in illusion. Hell, tactics stances are better than stacking illusion skills. And that is sad.

IW always needed one buff: allow adrenaline to be gained by iw swings and allow zealous/vamp mod to function (hint: cyclone axe+whirlwind of death with WY!/SY! thrown in for good measure)

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

23 May 2010 at 10:55 - 228

So, when was the last time anyone ever had 25 wins in RA with 3 mesmers and 1 monk?

They are crazy bad. Just roll an anti melee yourself since everyone else will be E surge or some other anti caster.

niek2004

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Afk in Gh.

Old N Dirty[ym] Good Tactics[Good]

P/Rt

23 May 2010 at 11:20 - 229

21/5/2010

The day PvP died...again

Fay Vert

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/

23 May 2010 at 11:53 - 230

Dark Paladin X just likes to make himself look a total nob by exclaiming that very easy things are impossible rather than bother to change his skill bar or learn how to play the game. Woe spreader is an incredibly easy green to farm by any profession.

And yes, if you really really suck badly you can use heroes and flag them out. They won't affect the green drop.

-Makai-

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2007

WA

DH

Rt/

23 May 2010 at 13:27 - 231

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

IW always needed one buff: allow adrenaline to be gained by iw swings and allow zealous/vamp mod to function (hint: cyclone axe+whirlwind of death with WY!/SY! thrown in for good measure)

I'd totally go for this, just to be able to add defensive sword skills.

pinkeyflower

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2010

23 May 2010 at 15:30 - 232

Oh wow, mesmers = too highly buffed in PvP but yay for SW nerf although it was too much.

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

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23 May 2010 at 17:20 - 233

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavv

So, when was the last time anyone ever had 25 wins in RA with 3 mesmers and 1 monk?

They are crazy bad. Just roll an anti melee yourself since everyone else will be E surge or some other anti caster.

Yay. I love when people post screenshots. They never censor all of the names.

Fluffy Kittens

Guest

Join Date: Dec 2009

23 May 2010 at 17:41 - 234

The Hall of Heroes = all blue teams since update = at least 1 edrain mesmer. gg anet you killed ha again

QQ

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

23 May 2010 at 18:13 - 235

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abedeus

Yay. I love when people post screenshots. They never censor all of the names.

LOL, me too.

<---- going blind, will fix that now.

tealspikes

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2009

23 May 2010 at 18:20 - 236

Mind Wrack is so broken in pvp...sigh

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

23 May 2010 at 22:30 - 237

Hohohohoho! Panic is great! Now people would learn to stop crowding together! I hate when they do that.
Just check out HoH!
Well, maybe it's a bit too much, a split to give it adjacent range in PvP could be aceptable.
But the functionality is just great, it turns dumb players that stick too close instead spreading reasonably into The Three Stooges. XDDD

NeferJackal

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2007

23 May 2010 at 22:45 - 238

Amusing to watch people cry because mesmers suddenly is a real threat and no longer easilly ignored, a good update.

Del

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2009

In a van, down by the river.

RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO if I know, ask Lynette.

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23 May 2010 at 23:08 - 239

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeferJackal

Amusing to watch people cry because mesmers suddenly is a real threat and no longer easilly ignored, a good update.

mesmers always were a real threat in pvp, sure the update was good pve wise, but the pvp changes made an already strong class imba.

AmbientMelody

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2009

Poland

N/A

23 May 2010 at 23:39 - 240

Quote:

Originally Posted by Del

mesmers always were a real threat in pvp, sure the update was good pve wise, but the pvp changes made an already strong class imba.

Not quite. People simply need some time to adapt to the new meta.