Recent Account Bans

Well you obviously don't know many honest people. (Yes, breaking a contract, the EULA in this case, is dishonest)

I find Anet's officially endorsed products to be problematic. If someone were to make a new mod that didn't do anything "bad", it would still be a non-approved program, and subject to banning until Anet said something to the contrary. A catch-22 because Anet won't bother to address such a program until it's already popular.

In GW2 you really ought to provide some common means for interface modding (usually XML) and tell people anything outside of that is banworthy. Much more clear-cut, simple, and fair. There's also no reason not to provide multi-clienting out of the box with say a command line option, this is a very simple check/switch to throw on or off.

An autonomous process that performs actions in the game with no input from the player other than to turn it on thus freeing them to simply walk away while in game actions are performed? That's a bot, don't kid yourself...

Now you do. I did it on three toons with only my mouse. No excel scripts, no gaming keyboards or other repurposed bull... No it is not too much to ask. I just did it when I was standing around chatting with friends, standing on 9-rings or other wise not engaged, like attending one of Gail's ingame chats (I miss those). I was done with it, on my main, several months before Eye of the North came out. Since then there are several skills that reward you for being drunk while out playing, which made getting the next two very easy.
It is not difficult to max drunk, unless your an idiot.

When they start to get to you with the QQ remember

Botting is like going to prison, youre likely to get butthurt if you go there

Anet should just make the drunkard title like that of the Sweet Tooth and Party Animal track so that it'd do away with the irk of having to spend an inhuman amount of time getting to it. Nobody wants to be forced to waste time like that, and there's absolutely nothing skillful or admirable about enduring that bullsh*t. It'd be a huge relief to anyone going for it if Drunkard were just "double-click for points". F.T.W!

Dear fellow, I don't empathize with cheaters. Also, very little gets by me in the way of concept or function; I consider myself fairly intelligent, as do many other people. You trying to portray me as a fool just won't work I'm afraid, so you might as well stop, because you aren't getting anywhere. Cheaters don't deserve an apology, and will not receive one from me, ever. You can't use my own argument against me, because my argument is based on a very simple premise: ANET's definition of botting. Things that do not meet that definition aren't botting.

I'm not a fool, I saw you copying my statements and not quoting them (as you should have). You weren't making a point, just mindlessly repeating yourself, akin to inane banter; gee, that sounds a lot like most of the QQ threads in Riverside right now! Coincidence? I THINK NOT!

So very true. The concept of spending 10,000 minutes of your life for a single title is absurd. The Drunkard title has always been the very definition of failure on ArenaNet's track record for title creation/concept.

Uh... why? TexMod is available as a client side mod only, and doesn't really give anyone an unfair advantage. The Cartography title gives no edge to the player, no bonuses, etc. It's just a title... nothing more.

Farming gold with a bot increases your wealth. This allows you to in turn, buy consumables, and items that give you an edge in game play compared to others that cannot afford them (thanks to insane prices) because you and the people like you hyper inflated the prices.

Interrupting and subsequently winning matches in PvP gives you more faction than a non botter in the same period of time, giving you faster ZKey rewards, thus giving you wealth faster.

Seeing a trend here?

Also, even if ArenaNet didn't want people to use TexMod, they couldn't ban you for using it if they wanted to. It is strictly client side, and would give ANET no indication you used it. The only way they could stop the use of TexMod would be via an update to the game itself, blocking its operation.

What exactly are you guys trying to say? That TexMod is the same as an interrupt bot, ergo the botters that were banned don't deserve to be banned, or that everyone who uses TexMod deserves the same perma ban? Either argument is rather stupid....

[shakes hand] Pleased to meet you.

Now you do. (I got it by playing under the influence like the others.)

I got Ale hound on my main without using a bot. Whenever the character was in Kamadan/LA etc I used the time to do some trading and drink while I was there. Didn't need to use the zoning trick either. I have no intention of going for that title again on another character though. Never used a bot, never needed to use a bot, never will use a bot.

I'm not quite done yet (9k done--just waiting for nic to give me more alcohol---I have NEVER bought any) and I have never used any bots to do this (dont even know how to use a bot, never had one etc), actually it was quite easy to do this while doing HOUSEHOLD chores--making dinner, load up character click, stir things on stove, (timer on stove goes off) click on another alcohol.....doing laundry, general cleaning, and yes....when the phone rings and someone talks to me for another hour (mom) or so (friends)....I can easily click and talk at the same time!!! and then there is the afk on the rings....click..go watch tv, at commercial click again--my poor monk would be drunk for 5 minutes sober for 2 and then drunk again.

and some of it was done while playing as well, the thing is if you have level 5 alcohol you do not need to do it consecutively....you can let the effects end and then start another one so no need to do it 'every 3 minutes' ...with my character having well over 167 hours played its not too hard to click at the start of a mission, forget about it for half of the mission click again and by the end of the mission have 15 or so minutes already added to your amount (15 may not seem like a lot but if you have done 53 missions and other quests etc...it adds up).

yes it seems like a big mountain at the start but picking away at it for the last 3 years---its aint so big no more.

8900 minutes. 3 years. No bot.

10,000 minutes, 4 months, no bot. Not that hard.

I'm an engineer and since I can't stand uneven numbers, I went as far as 15.000 minutes (the closest multiple of 3, 5 and 1.000), no bots either.

Now your're saying botters are different from cheaters?

Thought you said botting meant leaving the computer and letting it do you work for you(cheating!)...where I was still actively giving input. Now if your gonna call me a cheater then I don't think I deserve a perma ban either...a month long (or slightly more) ban is good enough for anyone or ingame/email warning etc etc for "cheaters" because we're not really botters, according to what you explained earlier,...right?

Actually, you had to pretty close to the person you wanted to rupt but most people know how to kite and even the "bot" missed sometimes at close range or at times just ignored skills that were to be rupted so it never really worked out for me and I used it like 5-6 times so I never gained anything from it (they should have noticed that when i used/injected that I didn't gain anything out of like lots of gold, titles, etc etc ...and "it" would crash all of a sudden too...and I didn't know it was "cheating"(seriously) until it actually started rupting like instantly...almost like I was training it for a while and then it started acting on it's own on certain skills...and that's when I quit, I knew i would I get banned somehow ...

It was first time experience on "bots" especially on an mmorpg on which I used to believe hacks are impossible. So it was curiosity and as many times on these forums people have yelled "curiosity killed the cat"...


Not entirely true. Rupting even with a bot is hard. Because most people who even used it once, like my self, used it due to bad ping otherwise why the hell would you...but since rupting skills doesn't mean you will win the match every time you have to know what skills you MUST rupt where as the bot doesn't really know, it just fires if certain skills come up but maybe you don't want to rupt it...um diversion or blind etc etc a human players knows exactly when to rupt if they have good ping <100ms and I explained earlier about how "effective" it was.

Although, there is a possibility that much more advanced bots were out there that were used in GvG/HA but then those people aren't intersted in money as much as they were in titles...they are just titles ^^

Who cares of the gain?

- Injecting is prohibited as it involves hacking the client (appending a library to the executable process and forcing it to be loaded and executed)
- Process manipulation and packet manipulation is prohibited
- Intercepting client-server data transfers is prohibited

That's even before we take into account elements such as the purpose of the bot, the duration of the hack by the user, the final gain obtained: you're hacking the game and that's considered a severe breach to the Rules of Conduct, whatever the purpose, whatever the duration, whatever the outcome.

Doesn't matter whether positioning requires skill. You're substituting automation for another form of "skill" (ability to deliver interrupts on time consistently). That's cheating.

Blaming your ping doesn't excuse your actions. Top Euro players ping 50. I ping 250-300. Does that mean that I should bot Rollerbeetle Racing to get a better time than Tanniz, who pings 50? No. Just because the disparity in pings isn't fair doesn't give me the right to hack the client to redress the balance. Doing so is against the rules, and I should expect a ban for doing it.

Wow...with logic like that, Anet should be driving to your house and use a real "ban" hammer on your computer. Too bad using the internet doesn't require some kind of standard testing...

You're the worst kind of bot cheater, you directly modified (with that software) against competitive play vs another real player. What he means is that if you have any doubt about software/hardware that you might use is a bot, there is a simple "test" you can perform. If you can walk away from the computer and have it still "play" the game without your input...it's a bot. Call it an acid test. However, that isn't the only definition of a bot.

It doesn't mean that you can exclude yourself because you manually initialze your software hack.

If anything, cheating in a player versus player game is much worse than botting wealth or status alone. You actively denied aspects of the game to another player in real time. You should be banned 110% forever.

I saw some guy QQ on forums that he got banned for botting and the bot he used didn't even work properly Now about the drunk bot . I've been in ZoS and I can clearly remember a talk we had. Xo said he used a clicker for his title and I said it's botting and it's bannable, but then like 10 other guys admitted that they used a clicker for the title, so I guess MANY people don't even know it's bannable OR it's not bannable if so many did it.

It's bannable, but cannot be detected as easily (or automatically) as an injected bot.

So the chances someone notices you in your guild-hall drinking, suspects you're auto-clicking it and consequently reports you... and then they check for perfectly spaced-out clicks always at the very same coordinates on screen... and then deduce you were actually autoclicking and ban you... well, are rather slim, but still, it's bannable indeed.

Hi , half way through and using plain old eyeballz and finger for my drunk title. Personally i have 2 pcs on most of the time so GW runs when I play fps and I just click my mouse when i notice the title bar has moved up 3 mins otherwise i just play my main and spend all my time drunk

Also Drunkbot users should be banned.

On topic, I think what Zain and people like him are trying to say (although they are doing it very poorly) is that there are people who did not cheat, there are people who may have used macros/bots few times, for curiosity, or to make their lives a bit easier, and then there are people who used bots to cheat others in PvP and PvE (botting for financial gain in this instance). What ANet has done is abruptly changed their prosecution of these people, and now all of them are lumped into the same boat, the perma-ban boat.

The issue that I have, and that these people seem to have but are failing to express it, is that wildly different offenses are facing the most severe punishment. This is not the way any system, virtual or not, should work, and the inability of ANet to communicate with people appealing their bans is frustrating people even more.

I presume you (or the people you know) haven't been around that long then.

It used to be possible to find pairs of locations or districts, where you could drink eg. spiked eggnog... zone or change district... and instantly get 3 drunk points and sober. If you had enough alcohol, it was possible to get 1000's of points in a few hours, until the location stopped working and you had to look for another one.

A LOT of people maxed drunkard that way. And before that, there was the "window" technique that was somewhat similar. There were lengthy threads on the subject, here on guru - describing how to do it, and where people had found working zone/district pairs.

Those methods may count as exploits (which A-Net apparently closed, without banning people)... but people DID do it WITHOUT bots or macros.

And then of course there are plenty of people who just turned off post-processing effects to remove the visual drunk effect, and used a simple timer program to remind them when to drink, during normal play. People who played a lot were easily able to max their drunk title quite that way, after a few months of their "normal" play.

Some of us have even been around long enough that we got legendary cartographer without using texmod

They didn't close it though, my guildie is doing the zoning drunkard as I'm typing this.

Really? Well, even less reason to use a bot/macro then.

Uphill? In the snow?

I see I see, so you knew this before people were getting banned or somehow it was in your knowledge and you chose righteously to avoid such activities?...I actually understood what is exactly Illegal and what's not AFTER using a bot...it's a game ffs...sever punishments such as perma ban never crossed my mind (as I've QQ'd many times before i'll just end this part..)

Now what really amuses me is that so what if people were out there playing the right way and not using bots...that doesn't mean they wouldn't have used them...especially everyone gloating at all the banned people(they're so mean ). The ban, at least the current one, is a lesson for everyone...anyone who wanted, anyone who was curious but never tried it...even someone who didn't know what bots are etc etc...they sure as hell know now...but some people had to pay so everyone can learn what the limits are.

So pvp bots are worse than pve? I do blame my ping for making me even consider using software to improve my rupting because you can't do anything about ping besides getting a better connection and mine is good, i would say, but ~200-300 ping in pvp can make big differences against people with less than 100...you're just a punching bag if they have experience.

Afaik pve bots destabilized the economy greatly and Anet let it happen too for some reason...so that was really bad...wan't it???

Now, pvp "bots" were going for titles or maybe some other factor such as "fun?"or just being pure evil...idk...but the point is as Rahja mentioned, titles are titles...so what if people hacked for them...hell take away their points and tell them not to "hack" again (you stupid RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO).

eg if someone made 1000 glad points in RA from botting then they Anet should remove all the points from their title track which were earned from botting... like if I start gw by dll injection and then start winning a lot then all my faction and points can be recorded, observed, & removed...simple as that...but it's easier said than done? and that's why everyone is perma banned?

Ah, so you want them to remove only what botters gained by botting and no other punishment? Let's say someone raptor botted their ass off and got many many 100's of k's. Then they bought ectos with that. Then they bought stuff with half ectos and half gold they got not botting. Then they sold that. Then they bought other stuff. Then they did this and that and this and that.

Now you tell me: what does anet delete?

Also: lol @ removing only stuff they got from cheating.

Do you care that you may have ruined a streak for another player because of your unfair advantage? Should Anet increase the titles of the people who suffered because of you? PVP botting ruins others gaming experiance and that is part of why you deserve to be banned.

Then remove the faction, the unlocks, the keys/rewards. Then remove them from the inventories of the people that were sold them, and don't forget to remove the zaishen track from the people that bought or traded the botter for the keys etc

Then take a look at all the losing teams against the botters and award them points because they were cheated.

You muppet.

The next time you cheat on a test and get caught, you should try this argument. After all, you only deserve to lose the points from the questions you cheated on. You should keep the rest of your points.

I'm trying to imagine how funny this is gonna look like

Wtf...?

I'm talking about only removing title points...which are never traded for anything and total faction like kurzick/luxon(for title)...and maybe a penalty of -500000 faction from total faction ever gained...

As far as faction that is easily transformed into the various thing you mentioned like zkeys, well that's not hard to see...so just temp ban that person for doing so further and anything else that went to someone else is harmless on their side so why should they pay...? so just leave it alone...it's not that hard as you want it too be unfortunately...?

Lol! cheating on a test doesn't give you an F for the whole course...just the test...which is like a slap on the back of your head, so take heed next time?

I don't think the game even supports editing a person's account other than their character name. There could be internal security problems if it did.

Many thanks! Goodbye and good riddance to them all. Hope you catch 3000 more of them! Wish you guys could ban all the scammers also.

Maybe not in High School and under, but in College guess what? Not only will you get a F in that course, but you'll also be recommended for expulsion. So basically F's in every course, losing tuition, and also having what can only be equated as an acedemic felony on your record. So, yes taking heed would be well advised.

Seems I missed some fun.

3.7k bans...nice

Wrong if you cheat on a final exam test you fail the whole class no if's and's or but's about it. Even if you had straight A's. You cheated makes you a liar and possibly a killer in the future as one thing leads to another. You become a menace to society and should be put away really at that point.

Not to mention it makes those A's mighty suspicious...