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I only care about whether ANet or NCSoft considers it a violation. Speculation from anyone else, including me, is meaningless. Rapid fire is not why I sent them the email. I have another issue entirely.

There is actually a bug that can cause you to disconnect if you use salvage kits or ID kits too fast. It's possible that using other consumables may trigger it as well.

I feel your pain.
Empathy, compassion, example,and facts... all these things don't work against a determined QQ addict.

Makes one want to toss Ritalin into the masses.

They wanted something for nothing. They felt that cheating was ok, because the game was too grindy, or too stale, or boring, or or or. Those are what we call excuses.

The questions to ask yourself are these:

Is this manipulating packets, or using exploitative dll injection that gives me an unfair advantage over other players?
Am I leaving my computer for any period of time, and the game is continuing to play without my input?
Am I pressing a single button, and multiple forms of input are being performed on a very specific timed basis?

If the answer to any of these is yes, it is almost certainly botting.

After that, ask yourself these questions:

Is this saving me any time compared to manual input?
Is this something others don't have access to?
Is this something that violates any language in the ToS/EULA?

If the answer to those is no, it's no botting in all likelihood. If the answer to those is yes, you might want to think twice about using it.

Some of you claim that a G11/G15 key map + repeat macro is giving me an unfair advantage. It doesn't fit any of the above criteria, as I could click my mouse at the same speed (my finger would suffer, as would my mouse from being bashed so much) I like my finger, thanks I can click very fast

The drunkard bot is a different story entirely. That bot/macro is timed over a very long period to click alcohol, since it is based on minutes, not total alcohol consumed. That means the user isn't providing input, ergo, a botting. That's an unfair advantage over someone who has to do it manually (which is VERY time consuming at 10k minutes)

QFT Sadly most of what we are seeing is excuses. I do believe that innocent people may have been swept up in this, but the reaction of the innocent is seldom what we are seeing.

Yet again, someone saying cheaters shouldn't be banned.

If you cheat in a university course, you are given an automatic F, and typically, expelled from the university. Cheating is unfair, it's wrong, and it's evil.

If you cheat, you should be perma banned, PERIOD. There really is no middle ground here. I agree that RMT bots should also be banned, as should exploiters, permanently.

Those who were banned (excluding any bans that were truly a mistake) deserved to be perma banned. Again, they should have been MAC/IP banned, but apparently ANET isn't quite as harsh as most of us would like them to be.

Let me shut you down right now... because at this point, you are drawing straws searching for the short one, in hopes of portraying me as a hypocrite. I'm not. I read what ANET says, and act accordingly.

Argue with Gaile, I'm done. ANET has spoken, and what is allowed is as follows:

TexMod
KSMod
FRAPS
G11/G15 macros that do not automate gameplay.
G15 Applets
Multilaunch tool (GWx2)
GWStats


The rest are currently restricted, and you will be banned if you use them.

Note, the above mods can only be used in their ORIGINAL FORM.

In short, binding a key isn't cheating in any game, ever. Keyboard binding is a very common practice, and is the basis for how those gamepads function. You lose.

I find it funny how some of the "bot-defence-team" just disappear for a while after you show them the flaw in their logic, only to reappear after several posts and reiterate their flawed arguments, completely ignoring all the rest.

Blinded by the Tears. QQ.

This.

The argument is reaching levels of ridicule that I wouldn't be surprised if someone comes out and says that my friend that plays on a laptop is a cheater just because he is using his touchpad instead of a mouse (you double click by tapping the surface of the pad and is much less strain on the fingers than a mouse).

@tha walking dude:
Stop being childish.

I'm just making a point. Don't flame me bro.

What Dhumm was singing while swinging the scythe.

Don't think sorry is easily accept
Don't try turning tables instead
You've taken lots of chances before
But I am not gonna give any more, don't ask me
That's how it goes, 'cause part of me knows what you're thinking...
Don't say words you're gonna regret
Don't let the fire rush to your head
I've heard the accusation before
And I ain't gonna take any more, believe me
The sun in your eyes, made some of the lies worth believing
I am the eye in the sky, looking at you, I can read your mind
I am the maker of rules, dealing with fools, I can cheat you blind
And i don't need to see any more to know that
I can read your mind, I can read your mind
I can read your mind, I can read your mind
Don't leave false illusions behind
Don't cry 'cause I ain't changing my mind
So find another fool like before
Cause I ain't gonna live anymore believing
Some of the lies while all of the signs are deceiving
I am the eye in the sky, looking at you, I can read your mind
I am the maker of rules, dealing with fools, I can cheat you blind
And I don't need to see any more to know that
I can read your mind, I can read your mind
I can read your mind, I can read your mind

Your point was invalidated by Gaile herself, the voice of ANET support. So... do you have another one? You attempted to turn me into a hypocrite, and failed miserably at that, yet you didn't apologize. I see no reason to issue you any respect or decency at this point, apart from my obligation as a moderator to lead by example. That said, I'm not going to bash you further, but the fact remains, you were dead wrong in trying to attack me, and somehow make yourself more pious.

This campaign won't work my botting friends. But, I do thank you guys from the bottom of my heart, this is a wonderful dose of schadenfreude. Thank you, really. You have brightened up my year with your hypocrisy and inane explanations and excuses. Unfortunately, it's over and done with, and you are welcome to return to the game should you choose, but not with the spoils earned by you via cheating. Simple solution, simple end, and we oh do so like simple don't we?

In the words of the Asura: Brains over brawn.

Hmm this is an interesting discussion, the best examples of these macro's/autoclick options being discussed here would be the sweet/party/drunkard titles.

I think 2 things are relevant here:

1. When is using this kind of auto-click a bot, or is it even a bot?
2. Does this give the user an unfair advantage over other players?

My take on the first point: macro's, autoclickers are software (yes even the keyboard thingies) that automate a (human) task, which is the definition of a bot by no coincidence.
When you are afk doing something fun in real life, I think you will all agree that this is botting.
However look at the case where you are indeed playing the game, doing stuff, and your little software friend does some clicking for you.
Is it still regarded a bot then? Sounds more like a program that helps you, like textmod, then a program that does everything for you to me.
Besides what's the difference anyway, make this software click for you or set a clock to peep every 3 minutes or hurt your fingers by clicking like a madman.

Okey I admit, not really convincing arguments, but let's look at the second important (to Anet) issue: does the use of this software give me an unfair advantage over other players?
Because Anet seems to use this statement to define botting and/or ban people. Let's say I bought the titles I mentioned above, they go by 1,5 mil ea now I believe.
Haven't I not done enough then? I saved up that much money to literally turn it into dust. I have absolutely nothing to gain, ingame, form gaining these titles.
Maybe some gw2 rewards but we still don't know anything about that so don't go that way please, besides that's not even the issue, the issue is TIME.
It saves you time, now does this give you an advantage over others? Most people would say yes: "you can make money bla bla in that time!"
However those people tend to forget Guild Wars in an MMORPG, players benefit from other players! Players benefit from me selling and farming stuff, being able to help guildies with dungeons, not from standing in my guild hall drunk or banging my finger off in kama ae1!

So to sum up things, using this kind of clicking software is, strictly taken, botting. However if you aren't afk and actually doing stuff the world benefits from it and vice versa. No ofcourse some arguments you gonna trow at me: "you cant check if someone is afk!" I guess that's true to some extent. "You can also just drink/use sweets while playing!" Also true, but that isn't the issue here. Besides people are people, they want to max the titles as quick as possible.

That just isn't so. Cheating isn't that black and white. In the course of graduate school, I've caught quite a few undergraduates cheating. The response varies by professor and offense.

Hell, sometimes the university I am at (you've heard of it) lets people cheat. Students that can demonstrate a learning disability can get untimed exams proctored by employees of the university.

Let's set aside whether or not Rahja was botting (he wasn't) for a moment. The argument you're making that cheating => perma-ban is absurd. It depends on the circumstances, and punishment should fit the crime. What you seem to be missing is that THIS instance of cheating merited permabans where lesser offenses might not. The magnitude of the advantage matters. I'd have a hard time supporting permabans for the drunkard bot, even though it's a major pain to have to click the booze (still at 6000 minutes myself).

But substantial PvP advantages and fully automated play are like flagrant plagiarism. If it's obvious that you knew what you were doing was wrong, and did it anyway, then you should be gone.

Indeed, I agree almost entirely with your post. However, the drunkard bot would be deserving of a perma ban in my honest opinion, as it allowed you to walk away and have the game continue to play for you, giving you an advantage over me, honest Joe, trying to play and achieve the title during my time spent actually playing the game. That's automation, and grounds for account termination.

Off topic: You allow cheating in classes you TA (or the professor of said class allows it/puts up with it)? I've caught one of my students cheating, and they were given an automatic F in the class, and forwarded to the Dean of Students for academic dishonesty; I don't know the outcome of that, but it can easily result in being forced to take all W's in the remaining classes, with no refund, or being permanently expelled from the university.

Re. the drunkard title. I don't know a single person of the ones that have it done that didn't macro their way through it. Some set up excel scripts, some used used gaming keyboards, some repurposed the very many clickers that are floating around the internet.

6 days, 22 hours, and 40 minutes of clicking every 3 ******* minutes is too much to ask for. Getting the cash for those titles should be the only challenge that ANet should expect players to overcome legitimately.

So it's ok then?

I might as well walk out of best buy with a tv in my hands because I don't know a single person who hasn't stolen, something, at some point in their lives and those things are just so damn expensive...

Very interesting.

I used an interrupt bot(pvp/RA) if anyone doesn't know by know that allowed me to actually use my others skills and actually use my brain to come close to people and use my other skills freely but when it detected a skill, that was to be rupted, is about to cast it would immediately rupt. Skills like PnH etc etc.

So I was still playing and giving input but at specific points the bot would take over for like a fraction of a second then back to me...something like that...i hope you get the idea.
So is that a true bot? or a really nasty bot to use?
I got perma ban for using this bot for 3-4 days randomly if I felt like and it was to gain nothing really.

Still in contact with NCsoft/Anet to get it back but no luck so far.

I would argue that anything is OK is as long as one still has their account intact.

The purpose of my post wasn't to justify macroing, but to point out the ludicrous requirements of that one particular little.

If you value your time so lightly that you're content to do nothing but click on the same pixels every 3 minutes, so be it, but it's not something most mentally intact players are willing to do.

My point was that ANet needs to do something about that one title, the ban list for players caught exploiting drunkard would number well over 3.7k accounts, and and the player base would be nowhere near as elated as they were for this round of terminations.

Sounds like a program that gave you quite a big advantage to me...
Besides why use something like that? You still play the whole time and there is nothing more satisfying as an interrupt

No, that's what we call cheating. LOL. You were using a bot to augment your abilities in competitive PvP... This was giving you an enormous advantage over other players! Why am I even explaining this? This is like the definition of cheating! You won't get your account back, you cheated.

Nothing prevents you from playing the game normally and using the booze. Just toggle post-process effects and it disables the wonky drunk effect...

Nobody forced anyone to get it. People let their completionistic OCD take over and didn't have the patience to do it right...

No, but whether or not the case ends up at the Dean's office depends on professor and offense. Faculty with tenure are a lot more likely to forward than those without for a variety of reasons you can probably anticipate. The student's going to fail (and it's going to end up at the Dean's office if the student refuses to accept that), but whether or not it goes further varies in practice.

Indeed, I can imagine why. Also, tenured professors are typically cooler, albeit more snotty.

Anywho, back to your regularly scheduled arguing about bots and legitimacy or lack thereof.

Me, personally? Well, there *would* be something that prevents me from playing the game normally.

My main has all the PvE related titles completed, when doing anything that requires any real time investment such as dungeons and vanquishes, I usually opt to bring a character that would benefit from whatever allegiance title is in question.

The only time I spend on my main is the hour a week that I sit spamming for sweet points in kamadan to waste my weekly proceeds on. So far that's netted me just over 700 minutes of drunkennes. I doubt the progress bar will even be past the halfway point by the time I'm done /w the other two titles.

i just wish to let my opinion on the matter of drunkard bot adn textmod.When asked if drunkard bot gives u an advantage everyone says right way yes it gives u an adavntage. ok i also agree to that. But lets not forget that ppl who uses texmod also has a clearly advantage on makeing cartographer title wich by the way its 4 free titles so i would says it harms the game more than a drunk where the players has to spend a huge amount of time making money and than 166 hours clicking a mouse to get 1 title...

You still have to go out and actually wall hug yourself. Textmod doesn't do the work for you, it just makes it easier for you to know if you have gotten all the fog cleared in an area...

yes i know that ... im not saying its the same thing as the drunkbot. but its still a thrid part program that gives u an advantage on thoes who dont use wich is my case. i think both should be banned

Hi, there! Got my 10,000 minutes by thinking outside the box. - Running through quests, missions, dungeons, farms, runs, etc. while under the influence works wonders. I only "stood around" in towns when I had some trading to do.

yea i also got my drunk playing i disabled the efects so it doesnt bothers me while i play but i havent got my carto cause its a very boring title to make...
but that cause i dont use text mod.anyway just want to let my opinion.if we're going to condemn every third part program that gives u an advantage bla bla bltexmod is in this category.

As per some of the recent posts, the drunkard bot should be punishable by ban. It's called the drunkard "bot" for christ's sake. I'm halfway to max drunkard on my main toon(still a long way to go) but I've done it the proper way.

People arguing about the need to bot because it's a time consuming title to attain are ridiculous. The title is optional - you don't need it. Imo the textmod for cartography (I know I'm stepping on a lot of people's toes with this) is the same - it's cheating. You don't need the title and you can certainly earn it without a mod.

Whatever happened to playing a game for fun. I always thought part of the challenge was beating a game the way it was meant to be played and therein the sense of accomplishment. Both of these titles feel that way to me. I haven't completed either yet (I think I will but in time, and ofc on just one toon) ;P maybe it has to do with that too. That people feel the need to impress with each of their characters but I'm personally not impressed by someone else's videogame achievements so meh.

I'm behind anet's stance of do it the right way or gtfo. I don't think I'd want to play a game that cheating was allowed and made for easy progress at least I wouldn't want to play it for long (similar to a girl that let's u hit it to quick cuz after that it's pretty much time to quit it *hit it and quit it* ;P).

And on a side note I love what that one guy was saying about "happy dhuum's day" it made me lol in every thread I read it ^^

And drunk scripts somehow keep you from having to earn the ~1million gold to bankroll the title?

Texmod also shows uncovered areas that count towards titles but are so far off the permissable paths that they don't unfog the worldmap. I'd argue that as an unfair advantage.

@Arm: there is no one drunkard not. Its a monicker. There are hundreds of ways to do it with totally unrelated and unintended programs. A script is a more appropriate classification

i agree drunkbot should be banned what i said is texmod also should...

By that logic anet should have included a strict system spec requirement in the eula since any slightly faster computer potentially gives me an advantage over my fellow players.

The difference between textmod and a drunkbot is that one makes an in game task easier while the other blatantly allows me to do something that is impossible for a human to do namely play the game while not even remotely connected to the computer.

Textmod makes wall hugging less tedious but you still have to do it. Drunkbots allow you to farm points while doing literally anything else you want which is impossible by game standards...

i know its off topic but what is this drunkbot ppl say ?

so the bot clicks on the booze while u are actually playing it ?

One could potentially earn that over the time it takes to do the the title proper but since this is an argument for bots why not just go all in and bot the gold???

i think there are types of drunks bots that are fine i really have nothing agienst certin types that do things that are mindless like just clicking are fine, now using it while playing i kinda think is bad but i really don't see the harm of letting it click for u while your afk because thats something u could eaisly do yourself and i think thats y anet hasn't stoped them the bots in pvp needed 2 be stoped because they were harming game enviroment. and tetcinally they are something u can get banned for.

but i see no harm in texmod i mean that it just showing players where they missed along with anet has ok'ed them but stated they are not responcible for anything that happens to you from using it

IScript. Not bot. A timed FOR loop does not make a bot.

Too tired to look up any more of your own statements to use as replies to your arguments. [Not completely sure you caught on to that part. Also not sure I should feel the need to apologize to you when everything I said was copy/pasted from your own posts, but I'm sure the people you said those things to would appreciate an apology.] Shame that you failed to learn anything about empathy, I was hopeful, but not every object lesson can be successful.

No. You. Can't...

Not unless you have psychokinesis and can move the mouse with your mind over a distance in which case you'd still be actually clicking and not doing anything bad...